Jon Fleischman Is Latest GOP Official To Criticize Afghan War ... In a private email provided to the Huffington Post, a vice chairman of the California Republican Party questioned the value of continuing the 9-year war in Afghanistan in light of its heavy costs to American taxpayers. Jon Fleischman, a political consultant and veteran GOP official in California, was writing in response to an op-ed calling on Michael Steele to resign as chairman of the Republican National Committee over his criticism of the war last week. "For what it is worth, I'm an officer with the CA Republican Party and I can't figure out what we are achieving in Afghanistan, at least not for the economic cost to US Taxpayers," Fleischman wrote on Friday. "Since I am not particularly isolationist, it means my government is failing to communicate well." It is the latest evidence that the U.S. mission in Afghanistan, which once garnered near-universal support from Republicans, has now become a source of ideological dissension at the highest ranks of the party. – Huffington Post
Dominant Social Theme: Much confusion, but it is necessary to fight on.
Free-market Analysis: We have written many articles about the Afghan war recently because it has turned into something of a defining moment for Western hegemony. During the Cold War, the Anglo-American version of Western regulatory democracy could not be spread around the whole world. But with the collapse of the Soviet Union, this political system began to be promulgated everywhere. Even Russia and China partake of it to some degree.
The system is so attractive for elites because it has immeasurable benefits for the small handful pulling the levers of the state. It has been worked and reworked to the Nth degree, until it is rightly (what one American general recently called) "government in a box" a portmanteau of regulatory endeavor. But let us explain this box. In fact, what is inside is regulatory democracy, a well-thought yet viciously anti-democratic political system that relies on fraud to maintain legitimacy.
The system, in fact, claims to be legitimate through the ruse of popular voting; but such voting is eventually so controlled and the candidates so homogenized that the results are ineffective at best. The upshot is a system that generally and continually eviscerates the free-market by producing public services that degrade living conditions; it initiates taxes that rise to unbearable proportions; its money inflates into economic ruin. Meanwhile, over time, power is concentrated into fewer and fewer hands while more and more, in desperation, are subject to military and penal authoritarianism.
The system increasingly is held in place by media propaganda, domestic spying, a prison-industrial complex and endless amounts of central-bank initiated inflation. Nonetheless, because none of this is made overtly apparent to people who live within its grasp, many do not fully seem to understand the ramifications of regulatory democracy or its inevitable authoritarian destination.
Within the Muslim world, there has been one warrior tribe of significant size that has proven entirely resistant to the blandishment of elite corruption and Western-style regulatory democracy. This tribe is the Pashtuns of Afghanistan and Pakistan. It has roots that seem to go back thousands of years. It is to some degree a warrior tribe that resists central government, has its own traditions and has maintained its independence from Western-style "government in a box."
The Anglo-American axis has rightly perceived of the Pashtuns as a great stumbling block to worldwide acceptance of regulatory democracy. The British apparently fought them for 50 years in the 1800s. With the fall of the USSR and the subsequent adaption of the Chinese Communist government to certain aspects of Western regulatory democracy, the Pashtuns remain perhaps the single unpacified global entity.
The rationales for why the West is waging a war in Afghanistan have varied over time. Initially, the attack was launched on the Taliban in Afghanistan for harboring Osama bin Laden who supposedly blew up the World Trade Towers. However, there has never emerged any substantive, fully proven information that bin Laden was responsible for taking down the towers, and he himself denied it.
The Taliban reportedly were willing to hand over bin Laden if proof was provided by the US, but such proof was apparently not forthcoming. Meanwhile, members of the 9/11 Commission have serially accused the Bush administration and its various instrumentalities including the FBI, CIA and Pentagon of lying about a what went on during 9/11. The entire narrative seems in some sense compromised and lacking cohesiveness as an honest rationale for attacking Afghanistan.
There are yet more problems with the narrative. Donald Rumsfeld, then Secretary of Defense, claimed that bin Laden operated out of massively fortified caves, but these caves were never found, nor were many Al Qaeda soldiers. A fairly recent BBC television program even claimed both the Taliban and Al Qaeda were in some sense facilitated by Western intelligence agencies.
Since that time in the early 2000s, the rationale for waging war in Afghanistan has morphed in many ways. The Bush administration let the war wind down to a degree while it fought in Iraq. But under President Barack Obama, the war has heated back up again. Why is the US continually willing to spend so much additional blood and treasure to remain in Afghanistan?
With the recent American changing of the guard in Afghanistan, the pronouncements of various American leaders have become more resolute as regards prosecuting the war. The AP, for instance, reports the following, "'We are in this to win,' Gen. David Petraeus said as he took the reins of an Afghan war effort troubled by waning support, an emboldened enemy, government corruption and a looming commitment to withdraw troops — even with no sign of violence easing." Meanwhile, the UK Telegraph just yesterday reported similar sentiments from a British perspective:
Afghanistan: British commander in Helmand believes troops need to stay 10 years ... The British officer commanding operations in the most dangerous part of Helmand has warned that Nato may need to stay militarily engaged in Afghanistan for a full 10 years. ... The British Army's view since the start of their deployment in Helmand has been that defeating the Taliban, and building up Afghan forces, will be a long-term undertaking, perhaps lasting many years. "We are here to create time and space for governance to take hold," said Lt Col James. "That's much more decisive than fighting Taliban. It just takes hellishly long unless you have the right force density – that's my concern, that we might be here 10 years rather than five years. But we need to see this through."
As we have written before, the war is important to the Anglo-American elite not because of commodities or because of a pipeline or even because the CIA has access to poppies and resultant drug money. Such rationales are besides the point. The stakes are much higher and have to do with eventual, successful implementation of regulatory democracy around the world. If the Anglo-American/NATO axis can stay the course, the payoff will be extraordinary.
But we have questions. The war in Afghanistan, more even then other wars of the recent past, is an elite war, not a war that Western citizens are much engaged in. The elite in our view is attempting to build global governance at an inopportune time. The global economic crisis (see other article) is likely worse than expected. Meanwhile, the tools of total war and media control are conspicuously lacking. Nuclear weapons and the Internet have seen to that.
There should be no doubt that we are not big fans of the direction that the West is headed. The regulatory democracy that has evolved out of the West's far more palatable classical liberalism is increasingly authoritarian and destructive. People have neither jobs nor hope, and there are no solutions that can likely be extracted from the current system. It is in fact, increasingly, a profoundly immoral system and for this reason we question whether the West will have the ethical, economic and sociopolitical capital to fight on for as long as it takes to pacify the Pashtuns and bring regulatory democracy to Afghanistan.
Conclusion: We have mentioned in the past that one option the Western elite has is to radically expand the war, perhaps by attacking Iran. But we are not sure this fundamentally changes the difficulties of prosecuting either the hot war in Afghanistan or the increasingly warm one in Iraq. In any event, these are important issues. The Afghan war is about far more than terrorism. It is a fight that may define the soul and substance of an increasingly degraded Western culture for decades to come. It will also, likely have an impact on the credibility of the current Western system of governance.
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Posted by John Acord on 7/5/2010 6:47:25 AM
We are again intervening in a civil war. First, we unnecessarily intervened in Iraq between the Shiites and Sunnis and again in Afghanistan in a conflict between one Pushtan faction and another. RNC Chairman had it right when he stated the Afghan war was of BHO choosing.
Bush had it relegated to a small police action supporting the Karzai government. Now it has exploded into what will be, if implemented, an 80-year Afghan war. Fox News, the neo-conservative bastion, wants the war to continue and all opponents to be horse whipped or worse.
I notice that Ms. Faulkner, a Fox News presenter, faulted Mr. Steele by stating that Alexander the Great had prevailed in Iraq, which he did not, and that it was successfully conquered and held by Genghis Kan, which is only partly true, and then made the comical blunder by claiming the Brits had prevailed, when, in fact, they were handed their lunch by the Afghans.
We need to follow Ron Paul's advice and get out now before tens of thousands of more Americans are killed and injured. On this I agree with the American Left.
Reply from the Daily Bell:
It is not really a left-right issue at this point. Not sure that the partial conquest of Afghanistan by Genghis Kahn is a positive precedent ...
Posted by R M'Geddon on 7/5/2010 7:12:51 AM
To win this war needs many more well-trained & well-equipped troops " perhaps 450,000 or more. Much more therefore than the currently approximately 140,000 ISAF/NATO forces, plus local Afghan forces. Some of the Afghan soldiers are quite keen, but many others are not " & at times seem to be in collusion with either the Taliban, or the many local drug lords & their huge raw opium factories, or both. The central government in Kabul often seems similarly tarnished. So the real choice is either a much bigger involvement, or none at all. But that would be hard for Western governments to admit to & pay for. So this very vicious war drags on, with sadly many casualties among our young servicemen & women.
Reply from the Daily Bell:
The Afghan army's makeup never seems commented on. But we have a hard time believing there are many Pashtuns in it. Therefore, the army is being drawn from rival ethnic groups that the Pashtuns have been at war with for hundreds of years. Thus, the creation of an army seems to us something of a pretext for the manufacture of a further civil war.
Posted by R M'Geddon on 7/5/2010 7:34:52 AM
Quite right. The Afghan army is mainly composed of Tajiks & Uzbeks, plus some Shiite Hezzaras (in a mainly Sunni Moslem country), all mainly from northern & western Afghanistan.
Although they have lived & accepted each other as neighbours for centuries, the Pashtuns from south & eastern Afghanistan have always expected to be dominant, & to live their life their Pashtun way regardless of how anyone else want to live theirs.
As you say, a situation ripe for civil war. Or the break-up of the country into more ethnically sensible internationally-recognised divisions. But there are several problems with that: eg the Pashtuns would be even freer to treat women as chattels, to expand their already substantial opium trade, & to export extremist religious views & terrorism.
And as their ethnic group extends far across the border into western Pakistan, to destabilise that country until their "Pashtunistan's" borders includes a big slice of western Pakistan too. Persuading Pakistan to accept such a dismemberment would be hard indeed!
Reply from the Daily Bell:
"But there are several problems with that: eg the Pashtuns would be even freer to treat women as chattels, to expand their already substantial opium trade, & to export extremist religious views & terrorism."
Alternatively, the West can foment additional civil wars, destabilize other whole countries in the name of failed drug wars (Mexico, Columbia) and start more military operations - perhaps in Indonesia and the Philippines - to fight "terror."
Posted by Zenbillionaire on 7/5/2010 7:42:17 AM
The creation of resistance in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran can't possibly be unknown to western intelligence analysts or to those who read their reports.
When Mr. Fleischman says "For what it is worth, I'm an officer with the CA Republican Party and I can't figure out what we are achieving in Afghanistan, at least not for the economic cost to US Taxpayers" he's either disingenuous or horribly stunted in his perceptions of the motives of those prosecuting war in the middle east. By conflating those wars with unrealized gains by "US taxpayers" he further demonstrates either an utter disregard for human life or an IQ that couldn't compete with a carrot.
The wars in the Middle East serve exactly one purpose; to create an enemy that is so enraged by the United States, so completely resigned to retribution for the multiple atrocities that have been heaped on them, that they will literally strap on bombs and blow themselves up in order to stop it.
The ratio of civilians killed to 'identified' combatants is 50 to 1 or more in that theater. Can any one reading this paper imagine the insanity that might be provoked in them if a foreign occupying force wantonly killed 50 women and children, dismembered them and sprayed their remains all over city streets and farmlands, for every single criminal they caught?
These statistics are not unknown to the people responsible for these wars. They know what they're doing and they are doing it on purpose; they are creating an enemy and they are using the best technology available in the world today to do it. Technology that you and I are paying for, along with every man, woman and child killed by it.
Reply from the Daily Bell:
You believe then that the objective in Afghanistan is simply to foment violence, not to win a war?
Posted by Alan on 7/5/2010 7:48:22 AM
It is always good to return to the Daily Bell for an informed alternative view. The articles today are most challenging to that which passes as news today.
The roots of this area go back far longer than the dominant social groupings of today. Even Islam is relatively recent only going back to the 7th century. The hubris of governments in putting any timeframe on 'pacifying' the region is pure media spin not rooted in reality or in any historical precident.
Reply from the Daily Bell:
The timeframes in Afghanistan may not fit into Western medial or military concepts.
Posted by Zenbillionaire on 7/5/2010 7:50:12 AM
"You believe then that the objective in Afghanistan is simply to foment violence, not to win a war?"
Yes I do.
Reply from the Daily Bell:
Then why not fight elsewhere as well? Why Afghanistan? Because of the opium? The "US$3 trillion" in easily recoverable minerals?
Posted by Mpresley on 7/5/2010 8:00:07 AM
Just another liberal war without end. Hell, we are not even there to win in any military sense, but only there in order to "win the hearts and minds of the Afghanis on the ground."
Are these people high? And I thought sniffing glue was banned. Now that Iraq signed a major oil deal with China, we can all reflect how THAT one worked out really well for us. When this grotesque, immoral abortion is finished (either by our defeat...uh...er...I mean "peace with honor"), or our bankruptcy--hard to fight a war if you can't pay your soldiers) all we'll get from it are thousands of Muslim "refugees" huddling in mid-Western inner city ghettos; people that can't wait to impose sharia, and have no innate sense of loyalty to anything but a welfare check--and the motherland.
Good going, all you neoconservative liberals. Sorry I sound a bit humorless, this morning. But I am...well, you know, recovering from Independence Day and thinking of the founding fathers.
Posted by Zenbillionaire on 7/5/2010 8:04:42 AM
"Why Afghanistan?"
You've already answered your own question in your analysis of the Pashtun. They are a free culture with literally thousands of years dedicated to self rule. They might be expected to fight. The Russians found them willing as did the British. They're perfect.
Reply from the Daily Bell:
Versus Turkey, Syria, Iran, Pakistan, Venezuela, etc., etc ...
There are no vested western interests in Afghanistan. They're expendable.
Reply from the Daily Bell:
Not baiting. What are vested Western interests in say Venezuela or Syria, etc. We believe the West is fighting in Afghanistan to subdue the Pashtuns, not merely for the sake of fomenting violence. Why did the British fight there for 50 years? Sometimes the clearest answer is the simplest.
Posted by Zenbillionaire on 7/5/2010 8:20:43 AM
"Sometimes the clearest answer is the simplest."
Your suspicion of designs on world domination is noted, however the money spent so far by the combined forces of Britain, Russia and NATO at large over the past 50 years would have been more than sufficient to buy the country acre by acre.
No, Afghanistan is a proving ground for the Janissaries; we're all paying for the development of an elite military that will be used to subjugate us. It's kind of funny in a twisted sort of way.
Reply from the Daily Bell:
We must agree to disagree, though we will certainly grant your point that a live war is valuable to the Pentagon.
Posted by Zenbillionaire on 7/5/2010 8:41:21 AM
"we will certainly grant your point that a live war is valuable to the Pentagon"
Let us not forget that we trained the Viet Cong. It took us nearly 12 years, but eventually they were good enough to take Saigon. One must always pay close attention to what really happens.
Reply from the Daily Bell:
Actually nothing happened. The Red menace won. Americans evacuated and life went on.
Posted by Zenbillionaire on 7/5/2010 8:52:58 AM
"The Red menace won."
Hah! In the "New Land Of Opportunity"! That's rich. Year over Year growth at 6.4% yesterday according to the WSJ.
Who won again?
Reply from the Daily Bell:
They lost and the West "won?" What's your point?
Posted by Zenbillionaire on 7/5/2010 9:00:46 AM
"What's your point?"
You would ask this? The veritable font of elite knowledge? Surely you jest?
Reply from the Daily Bell:
No point then?
Posted by Zenbillionaire on 7/5/2010 9:04:35 AM
"No point then?"
DB, it's your point. Sh*t or get off the pot.
Reply from the Daily Bell:
Hm-mm. When a conversation degenerates into obscenities it is usually over.
Posted by John Acord on 7/5/2010 9:06:19 AM
Look no further for the answer. It is OBVIOUS: The military-industrial complex needs wars; otherwise they cannot prosper and plunder the public treasury.
Afghanistan is perfect; they get to fight an unsophisticated, stubborn enemy for the next 80 years with minimal casualties and maximum expenditure.
I think McChrystal saw the light and simply bailed out in good conscious. We need a military to stand up and tell BHO to go fight the war himself. Maybe he can hire the IDF. They will not be bothered by rules of engagement. If not the IDF, then Blackwater? After all, the US Army will soon be needed at home to deal with rising unrest.
Reply from the Daily Bell:
"It is OBVIOUS: The military-industrial complex needs wars; otherwise they cannot prosper and plunder the public treasury. "
Obviously we do not agree. We think the Anglo-American axis wants to win this war.
Posted by Zenbillionaire on 7/5/2010 9:19:15 AM
"When a conversation degenerates into obscenities it is usually over."
Unless you get off the pot. That was a joke. Pot. Get it?
BTW, George Carlen, one of your avowed idols, used that very term several times with exactly the same intent.
Political correctness is the last refuge of the self indulgent.
Posted by Ichabod on 7/5/2010 9:58:37 AM
What I don't appreciate now are Republicans calling this "America's War." This is coming as a response to Steele's remarks.
That isn't good. Republicans don't need to be the war party when most of the major wars have come from Democrat presidents. The idea that America must exert power over the rest of the world is antithetical to covenant thought. Yes, war to defend the US against enemies is authorized under the Constitution.
So what's the answer? If there is one, it will be sustaining only if regional countries work together to ensure the integrity of countries in that region. The US has given a free ride to the middle east countries. They need to provide the ground forces with US and Europe providing logistics and material. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Turkey, even Iraq need to be included in discussions. It's their backyard and they need to be weaned from sitting back in the knowledge that the US will undertake a military solution. If they think the US is developing regional security zones with shared responsibility, that idea will eventually produce more serious approaches to solutions.
War is not permanently in any country's interest and especially wars like in Afghanistan where the justification for it keeps changing. That will take a change in American leadership and I don't see that leader at present.
Posted by Peacenik on 7/5/2010 10:54:51 AM
I thoroughly enjoyed your piece on the Afghan War . Looking at it from the perspective of global governance really is the only way to make sense out of why we are fighting.
Of note , the U.S. no longer has a draft , but basically a professional army . If there were a draft , there would be a similar social outcry against the Afghan War like there was with the Vietnam War .
Also , Eisenhower was correct when he warned of a military industrial complex . You need a good war for soldiers to advance in rank and for certain corporations to become wealthy .Let's face it , in war some people die and others become incredibly wealthy .
As an example , how about that fellow Erik Prince founder of Blackwater ( Xe ) ? As we face an inevitable global financial meltdown , maybe the elites will involve us in another bigger war , hoping that the U.S. economy could then " turn around " like post World War II. Maybe the elites feel we will need something to distract us from a global depression.
Posted by Michael Hodgkiss on 7/5/2010 11:18:23 AM
Impeach Obama and shut down the Afghan opium trade is the way to end this war.
April 6, 2010 (LPAC)-- Beyond the fact that he has just jammed through a Hitlerian genocide program against the U.S. population with his so-called health-care reform; beyond even the fact that he has sent U.S. troops to fight in Afghanistan while supporting their battlefield enemies by protecting the Afghan drug trade, beyond all that: Barack Obama is impeachable as well, for joining with the British Empire in an opium war which is destroying civilization.
Under British sponsorship and protection, Afghan opium production has risen to about 8,000 tons per year, DOUBLE the entire estimated WORLD production of 4,000 tons in 1989. It is illustrative that all the growth in Afghan production has been in Helmand province, all under the noses of British troops stationed there from 2001-2010. During that period, Afghan opium production moved partly or completely out of all other Afghan areas into Helmand, at the same time as total Afghan production mushroomed.
By now, Afghanistan's production, which is 90% of all world production, amounts to fully 160% of estimated total world consumption, which is estimated at only 5,000 tons per year. As the unrefined product floods across the border into Iran, it is now widely estimated that fully 20% of Iran's population have become opium addicts.
Because of the longer distances involved in the smuggling routes which cross Russia, it is the refined product, heroin, which is smuggled out via Russia, while the less refined, weightier opium is smuggled through Iran. Now even before the latest wave of narcotics-fueled international terrorism hit Russia with the Moscow subway bombings, Russia was already fighting an existential battle against heroin addiction.
This is behind Russia's repeated appeals, during March, for international cooperation, especially with the U.S. and NATO, against the Afghan drug plague. Each was humiliatingly rejected by the British and their puppet Obama. Obama's State Department turned Russia down on March 1, eliciting a biting reply from the Russian Foreign Ministry. When Russia's drug tsar Viktor Ivanov convened officials from 30 nations for a March 15 meeting in Kabul, a British NATO representative snidely told him that it was up to the Afghans to decide how to deal with the opium!
Finally, the NATO-Russia Council held a special meeting March 24 to hear Ivanov present Russia's proposal, only to turn it down once again. NATO Secretary-General Fogh Rasmussen told the Russians that there were other things they could do against the Afghan drugs; presumably to give NATO helicopters and other goodies which they have been asking from Russia.
But, as LaRouche pointed out, "They were not going to stop the drug-trafficking anyway. The best thing we do is pull out! The first thing to do is pull out absolutely, and say, well, the Brits won't behave themselves, so we're pulling out! We're pulling out, and we will exert sanctions against the drug-trafficking from that area. We'll join with Russia in actions of sanctioning that attitude by the British. And say: until the British change their attitude! And say that: that's what you have to say: 'The British have got change their attitude " or else!'
"The other thing we ought to say, and not exclude this, is say the Russians are blaming the United States for not cooperating, but the Russians are collaborating with the British, who are the people who are responsible for this problem. The Russians have got to learn to get smart and break with the British! They should pick on the enemy! The enemy's not the United States, even though the President is an asshole. (He's not a good asshole, all he does is deliver the product. But the product stinks!)"
On top of that has been the most recent series of drug-linked terrorist bombings from that of the St. Petersburg-Moscow line, to the Moscow subway bombings and yesterday's suicide bombing in Ingushetia. Ingushetia's President said that they were likely all closely linked; the terrorists don't recognize the existence of the various republics, but see them all as part of the single Emirate of the North Caucusus. This British-controlled and Saudi-funded "Emirate" or "Caliphate" is the form Britain's Caucusus insurgency has taken since 9/11. LaRouche said, "We consider this 9/11. It's the intention of 9/11. A Wahhabite insurgency, so therefore it's an extension of 9/11.
"The point is going to come, that the Russians are going to have to take action against this thing. They have no choice! And the United States will have to support the Russians. Because this is international terrorism! The British are condoning international terrorism. And the evidence is there!"
Summing up, LaRouche said, "I think we just have to go with the thing that we demand that this be another reason for the impeachment of the President of the United States, and make this an issue. We're going for: this guy's got to be impeached. Don't be a dope! Impeach the sonofabitch!
"I think it's extremely important. We've just got to think about this, and we've got to go full steam on this, and we've got to go for an impeachment on this count. Another count of impeachment has just come up today! That's the way it has to be done. An 'in addition to...' The following are the reasons for impeachment.
"Conniving with the British in an opium war which is destroying civilization. And therefore, the British in supporting this, must be considered an outlaw state. The British system is currently an outlaw state, on the basis of this. And since the British have a reputation for drug-pushing, which goes back to the end of the 18th Century. The British Empire has been a drug-pusher, and it still is. And, the Queen does push drugs! You idiot!"
LaRouche Supports Russian Drive For Afghanistan Opium Eradication
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Posted by Michael Hodgkiss on 7/5/2010 11:43:06 AM
You fellas are all missing the forest for the trees. The reason the war hasn't been won already is because the British and Obama refuse to join with the russians and destroy the Opium fefineries that finance the Taliban. Which bye the way is another impeachable offense by Oshithead Obama.
From LaRouchePac April 6, 2010: Under British sponsorship and protection, Afghan opium production has risen to about 8,000 tons per year, DOUBLE the entire estimated WORLD production of 4,000 tons in 1989. It is illustrative that all the growth in Afghan production has been in Helmand province, all under the noses of British troops stationed there from 2001-2010. During that period, Afghan opium production moved partly or completely out of all other Afghan areas into Helmand, at the same time as total Afghan production mushroomed.
By now, Afghanistan's production, which is 90% of all world production, amounts to fully 160% of estimated total world consumption, which is estimated at "ONLY" 5,000 tons per year. As the unrefined product floods across the border into Iran, it is now widely estimated that fully 20% of Iran's population have become opium addicts. End of LPAC contribution.
The estimates are that the opium trade is in the order of I think $60 Billion per year, of that approximately $10 Billion goes to finance the Taliban and the rest into keeping the British off shore "Free Market" banking operations flush with liquidity. Sorry if I poked your horse there at the end. Actually this last part came from LPAC also I just paraphrased it. I hope that's ok.
Posted by Oldinvestor on 7/5/2010 12:01:16 PM
The reason we lost in Vietnam is that the American people finally go fed up and said "enough" This came to a head when Walter Cronkite turned against the war, and Johnson refused to run for a second term. From then the die was cast.
We are, I think, approaching another such moment. When the people finally have their say, it matters not what the elites want. Look for the day Collin Powell publicly comes out against the war.
Posted by Ray Simons on 7/5/2010 12:14:31 PM
The United States like Ancient Rome began as a republic and also like Rome has become an empire. President Eisenhower could be said to be our Julius Caesar. The question for us; like the question before Rome is: Can we return to a free society or are we destined to live under tyrany?
Posted by Victor Barney on 7/5/2010 12:25:42 PM
If I remember my history courses, Afghanistan has always been in disarray, but I must say another outstanding free-market analysis done at the Daily Bell!
However, as I understand the bible, there will be a world-wide anti-messiah government in the later days that has to be Marxist(anti-messiah) by definition!
I do agree that the Anglo-American version of Western regulatory democracy will not readily be accepted by the Pushtan, I'm wondering how Marxism would be accepted any better? However, if this anti-messiah in the end of man's days in Islam, I see no trouble for the Pushtan! I'm changing my thinking on the anti-messiah in the end-days thanks to you guys and your outstanding analysis of social dominant themes! It does not look like the Anglo-American version of Western regulatory democracy to me at the end of days for certain!
Posted by Bobby on 7/5/2010 8:09:59 PM
Those who cannot remember past mistakes are doomed to repeat them!
Posted by We-eble on 7/5/2010 10:11:22 PM
Well I never. That was quite a scuffle. Looked like one of mine! I did not know that DB was a George Carlin fan. I personally think Zen was "workin' the world tonight" on his end, but hey, I myself am always game for a little jousting now and again. I think this was OD day for DB (see other article).
I have been filling up at the same full serve diesel location for the past couple of years. I chat with a nice Italian fellow (my jack of all trades tip off) every 2 days it seems. They were out of diesel the other day, due to the pre 8 percent tax increase line-ups (#$^%%*), so I had to keep moving along. I made a comment about how Canada was going to go the way of Italy with respect to the underground economy, and he said he was actually from Afghanistan! Since I was already moving, I asked if he was Pashtun. We will be having livelier chat content from now on, as I will get his "boots on the ground" feelings. I am sure glad I now have some background knowledge. I feel a little like Joe 90 these days, thanks to DB and the "illuminated" feedbackers. Zen and DB, you both cracked me up today!
Posted by Weebl-e on 7/5/2010 11:06:08 PM
"Since I was already moving, I asked if he was Pashtun"
That sounded like I asked and ran from the fierce warrior. I meant for it to indicate we could not really speak on the topic, as I was already leaving...
Posted by Thenextmrpresident on 7/8/2010 9:49:09 AM
There is no reason to be at war any more in Afghanistan. In fact, we should not use our war making ability for political purposes. If you think what we are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan is war for security reasons, you are dead wrong.
Please. If I were president, and we were attacked on 911, I would have simply sent 500,000 soldiers and our full military weight into 4 countries, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and North Korea and completely removed each countries' government and ability to make war. I would then immediately leave, like when Bush declared major military action over in Iraq, I would have packed EVERYONE up and gone on to Iran. Period. Then leave a stern warning. Install a government that is anti-American, and we will be back should you try anything, say anything or try anything, either blatantly or covertly, provable or not. Dare the rest of the world to put sanctions on US.
Vote for me, and EVERYONE will hate me for something. You will have to give up your food stamps, your section 8 housing, your government pension, your "lifetime salary" for being a congressman, your social security, your medicaid, your welfare. Period. Do it yourself, or don't do it at all. I will not allow others who are lazy or week to take by force from those who produce.
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