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A New Euro to Save the Old One?

Thursday, June 03, 2010 – by Staff Report

Why a 'new euro' could be the saviour of the European dream ... Once unthinkable, the possible demise of the euro is now very much up for debate. Well, among market participants – the politicians will not countenance it, despite the tectonic shifts in the eurozone. Put simply, the authorities' view is that the euro must be retained – not only for the survival of governments and financial institutions, but also to keep intact the dream of a United States of Europe. So central is the currency to the ideal of the single economic bloc – an economy to compete with the US and Asia's emerging titans – that the notion the euro could fail is a great unmentionable in these circles. ... But even if the official view is that the euro cannot fail, surely it is inconceivable that the politicians and policy-makers have not given any thought to what might need to happen should it collapse. So what secret thoughts might they be having? How would they cope with the unthinkable? – UK Telegraph

Dominant Social Theme: Thinking the unthinkable about the euro's demise.

Free-Market Analysis: We never understood how the EU would work over the long term. The tribes of Europe gladly took their profits, but how can you make the argument that people should put up with years of "austerity" for the sake of a concept only a banker could love. Pan European song-festivals seem popular but we imagine that if a German, Italian or Spaniard were asked if he or she were willing to place a united "Europe" above a particular nation-state, the answer would probably be no.

So long as the euro-bubble continued to expand, EU-crats could say bland things about European unity collect their salaries, manage their graft, and go home. But as bad times bite, people will gradually begin to focus on exactly what has been accomplished in their name in these past decades. We cannot see this as good news for the EU, or that the verdict will be especially positive. The EU was having a hard enough time while things were relatively good. There were negative votes, do-overs, and a determination that the EU was going to gain more powers no matter what. And it did gain them. But now it is having a hard time using them.

At some point, in some sense, a political structure needs the validation of its citizens. Without credibility, no political structure can long survive. That's the reason the elite struggles so long and hard to manufacture consent through dominant social themes. That's the reason to control the masses via fear-based promotions rather than bullets and soldiers. Once rulers start to speak the language of violence, the context changes. Now violence is seen as part and parcel of the conversation. And there are a lot more of the ruled than the rulers.

For these reasons among others, we believe the ability of those who have placed themselves in charge of the EU will find at some point that it is simply too hard to manufacture a consensus to continue on with business as usual. The trillion dollar bailout, for instance, has proven to be something of a display of smoke and mirrors. It may have staunched the bleeding momentarily, but Spain was just downgraded, credit-wise, and apparently France is next.

The protests have hardly begun across the continent, but Greece has already provided a preview – and it is likely to be a long, hot summer. We would tend to think that unless there is some sort of miraculous economic recovery that puts everyone back into a good mood, the EU is facing some rough challenges. It's not even just about the euro anymore. The size and even the viability of the union itself is in doubt in our opinion.

For this reason, we think we'll begin to see numerous plans floated that offer EU fall-back positions, especially when it comes to the euro. The problem we see with them is that the elite itself – the power elite not its political functionaries – will see these fallbacks as an admission of failure and rightly so. What is holding the vision of ever-more centralized global governance together at this point is the insistence on its inevitability. As soon as that is shattered, questions (so many questions) will start rushing through the breech. Nonetheless, the plans will be offered as they must. The Telegraph, in the article excerpted above, is one of the first to offer a radically revised currency plan. Here's some more from the article:

If the euro ceases to be the financial system would be faced with financial calamity. The means of exchange would be questionable and, in extremis, the euro would become a worthless piece of paper. In addition, all existing legal contracts in bonds and derivatives would be denominated in a dead currency. Left unchecked, this collapse would probably destroy European capital markets and severely damage economies, with global carnage close behind.

First, the authorities would have to create new national currencies as a means of exchange. To solve existing euro contracts issues, you would need a one-for-one successor to the euro, so let's call it the "neuro". We've been here before: the ECU was turned into the euro in the same way. This successor currency would then be legal tender in all European countries. But the big question is who would stand behind this supranational currency?

At present, the euro is the pooled responsibility of member states issued through the auspices of the European Central Bank. To maintain continuity, the neuro would have to be based on this same pool of responsibility. Again, there is precedent: the eurozone has had such a pooled currency before: the ECU was a basket of currencies.

Next, policy-makers would have to determine what the neuro should look like. If it was a basket primarily based on a new Deutschemark, then it would be a hard currency: savers would be very pleased while borrowers would be distraught. If it were a basket full of perceived weaker currencies, savers would be left poorer and borrowers would be relieved. A tough decision.

So how might they justify the national currency weights behind the neuro? They could weight it by GDP; attempt to create a neuro that is equivalent in value to an outside barometer of value like the US dollar; or base the weights on the old ECU. However it was done, at least the markets would have a continuity of contracts.

All right, this all sounds reasonable enough. But the trouble with currency break-ups is that they are often like divorces. Reasonableness may take a back seat to passion and even irrationality. As we recall, Margaret Thatcher was sacked over her insistence that the euro would not work in the long-term. The rest of the cast-members not only went along with the idea, but did so enthusiastically. The idea was that, yes, eventually there would be a crisis, but the crisis would only drive the tremulous nation-states of Europe closer together.

We assume those in charge at the time envisioned a complaisant media and a magisterial silence that would allow their arguments to reverberate. Instead what they have got is the Internet, a technology that drowns out all but the most plausible and intelligent arguments. Propaganda doesn't work so well these days. Massaged messages are difficult to maintain. Promotions are hard to sustain, especially fear-based ones.

It may be that the powers-that-be manage to hold on to both the euro and the EU. But we think it could go the other way just as easily, especially if economic conditions continue to erode. If that's the case, reasonable fall-back plans may not be seen as enough – and may be looked upon with suspicions by many who will view them, rightly or wrongly, as a way to ameliorate the losses of banks and other financial institutions.

Conclusion: If the EU really does succumb to entropy, we would tend to think it might fly apart entirely and countries, at least some of them, will end up with their own currencies again. We don't think that's such a terrible outcome, especially given that the alternative is a grim, forced austerity under the lash of the IMF. But it won't make the elite happy, not one bit.




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  Posted by Jim on 06/05/10 12:23 PM

The new Northern Euro Currency, it's accepted from the south side of Seine River through the low lands of Belgium over the central quarter of Luxemburg on to and including upper Silesia to and including those speaking "high" German, on Mondays and Wednesdays only, in months that end with "ber".
Those holding the "old euro's", turn this paper into gold before its just paper!

  Posted by Digby on 06/05/10 04:10 AM

How can the Euro work when you have countries like Greece and Italy where no one pays any taxes, and there is much corruption.

Why should more stable countries such as Germany, Denmark, Scandavia pay for these loose countries troubles.

Secondly I think that all western countries will have to start lowering wages and all other costs so that production can start to return to them. The west cannot keep importing from China for ever - how to pay for it ! ?

  Posted by Cj Coates on 06/05/10 03:33 AM

ps. F.Beard
I enjoy very much your take on the value of defaulters.(your words shown again below)

"Here's a thought. Lending is inherently risky yet without lending our entire money supply would shrink to almost nothing. So, nearly our entire money supply depends on CONTINOUS risky behavior. Defaults, OTOH, create debt-free money. So, our permanent money supply is created by FAILURE.

What a perverse system. Defaulters actually perform a valuable service."

  Posted by Cj Coates on 06/05/10 02:28 AM

Morning F.Beard.
I agree with you we do not have a sane money supply.
Most people I know think I am ridiculous to invest in Gold and silver bullion. Just like they think I am ridiculous to hold a years worth of food in my home.
Most people use debit cards these days.
Using cash is something of an oddity.
Just like when Europe brought in the Euro, when a coffee worth 2 deutchmarks then overnight cost 2 Euro, or worse,that same coffee worth 2 drachma was then 2 Euro. (an outrage)
If Gold is brought in to back a fiat backed currency or Gold and silver itself is the medium for exchange. F.Beard,can you imagine how the prices will leap up then???
I appreciate your encouragement to think more responsibly about this topic.Thankyou.
But changing fiat money to gold/oil/silver before you change the public and governments addiction to creating money out of thin air would also lead to a greater hardship. (due to enormous price increases)
Change the voters budgets first, then serve them a sound currency.

  Posted by Weeble on 06/04/10 07:32 AM

I heard an unconfirmed report on zerohedge that the day before the spill, a GS exec sent an email about a future oil disaster to his girlfriend making them "in the money". I wrote it off as another "possible" 911, but how could the email surface so quickly? In my view, the majority of emails would only surface if a hurricane of some sort stirred them up.

Reply from The Daily Bell

We read reports of this too. Don't know the details.

  Posted by F. Beard on 06/04/10 04:08 AM

"But nothing can truly change with any fiat currency, unless Europe and America change politically, so that their parties promises to voters are more in line with their budgets." Cj Coates

You seem to assume a sane money supply which we don't have. Instead, money is lent into existence and ceases to exist as it is repaid. As the money is lent (created) it drives up prices and debt creating a boom. When the boom ends though, the money supply shrinks but leaves behind debt priced at boom levels.

We have reached a point where people are no longer willing to borrow and banks are no longer willing to lend for fear they won't get their money back. The money supply is thus shrinking as existing debt is repaid. Unless governments "borrow" and spend then the money supply will cease to exist.

To speak only of fiscal problems without addressing the fundamental insanity of our debt-based money system is to be irresponsible oneself. Also, please ask yourself how nearly every Western nation is facing a sovereign debt crisis at one. Are all of them irresponsible or are they all victims of an absurd money system? Which is more likely?

  Posted by Cj Coates on 06/04/10 03:30 AM

There are two large problems in Europe.

Governments promising too many services to the voters (and the voters not asking whom shall pay for it) and Euro member countries not able to print their way out of economic troubles.

Basically, it is the politcal systems of Europe that need to be reformed. So that there is accountability to the people.
(such as in Switzerland)

Within the next 3years we are going to face economic problems in the USA whether Europe sorts out her problems with her members overspending or not. The US has the same problems as Europe except her memebers are called States. States are not forced to put their budget deficits on display like poor Greece and Spain.

But nothing can truly change with any fiat currency, unless Europe and America change politically, so that their parties promises to voters are more in line with their budgets. Term limits are a start, and to bring an end to campaign financing (or bribery however you wish to call it) and limit the amount of time available for campaigns, so that they dont need to raise so much money to get out their message.

With these changes fiat politics will be able to correct the fiat currencies of the world. The voter needs to reform the most, out of all changes needed. The voter needs to ask, how shall we pay for your promise, this year, next year and in 6years??

  Posted by Zenbillionaire on 06/04/10 12:56 AM

So what's all this about the third bombing of the Reichstag down off the coast of Louisiana? Nobody's talking. BP is being pilloried by the communists. Are you guys an alternative media outlet or what? Inquiring minds want to know...

Reply from The Daily Bell

We will be writing about this. We think we know what BP is, and the timing is pretty amazing. Obviously, you have some pretty specific ideas.

  Posted by Weeble on 06/03/10 08:05 PM

It doesn't matter if the SDR is bogus or not so long as people believe in it. Riigghhtt!

  Posted by F. Beard on 06/03/10 08:04 PM

"There are no such things as limits to growth, because there are no limits on the human capacity for intelligence, imagination and wonder." - Ronald Reagan via DB

Ronnie nails it with this quote. But let me make the case even stronger:

We are not energy bound.
We are not raw material bound.
We are not technology bound.
We are not even space bound till we can colonize space.

What we are bound by is an obsolete, unstable, unjust money and banking model that loots wealth rather than shares it.

  Posted by F. Beard on 06/03/10 07:39 PM

"There can be no such thing, in law or in morality, as actions to an individual, but permitted to a mob." - Ayn Rand via DB

[editorial note to DB: I believe the correct quote is:

"There can be no such thing, in law or in morality, as actions forbidden to an individual, but permitted to a mob." ]

  Posted by William3 on 06/03/10 07:36 PM

It's curious that mainstream media like UK Telegraph are entertaining thoughts publicly which are counter to "Elite think," such as the above post-euro ideas.

I believe DB has stated in past articles that Big Media must, to some extent, buck the Elite tide in order to remain credible to an ever more savvy public -- a public educated in truth by the Internet. Could this be the beginning of a return to journalism serving nobly as a check on those in power? Ah, what a cheerful thought!

Reply from The Daily Bell

Yes, one way to gauge the impact of the Internet and free-market thinking on the elite is to watch how the mainstream media resets the parameters of its conversation. We think there has been a decided shift. The mentions of the Bilderbergers are just one example.

  Posted by Weeble on 06/03/10 07:29 PM

The goalposts are up, the nets are in place, and the lines are being painted a pretty white. Pele is wowing the crowd (even on crutches) before the game begins, and Beckham is in the dressing room bending his arm, if you know what I mean.

Team # 1 is the Neuro-Transmitters, and team # 2 is a star player from every common market participant.

But what just happened on the pitch? A 235m deep hole in the centre field! An underground artesian river must have washed it out, and it took Pele with it. Lucky for Beckham.

We all look down the hole, and see literally infinite amounts of SDRs flowing by. The game's off, everyone dives in for some. The new game is on.

Reply from The Daily Bell

Weeble-cynic.

  Posted by F. Beard on 06/03/10 06:17 PM

Here's a thought. Lending is inherently risky yet without lending our entire money supply would shrink to almost nothing. So, nearly our entire money supply depends on CONTINOUS risky behavior. Defaults, OTOH, create debt-free money. So, our permanent money supply is created by FAILURE.

What a perverse system. Defaulters actually perform a valuable service.

  Posted by Steve P on 06/03/10 05:52 PM

And we're going to have a one world fiat currency? Come live in my utopia. The apples are to die for!

  Posted by Bruce C. on 06/03/10 05:50 PM

Personally, I've never recognized the Euro. I traveled in Europe before then and, besides, Europe has always been a mixed bag for me. A philosophical hell hole, but somehow producing great food and art. Couldn't care less if the Euro fails or, rather, doesn't succeed. A new paradigm of beliefs about human nature must emerge.

  Posted by Josh Alan on 06/03/10 05:26 PM

I wonder if the NWO Global warming voice Al Gore is feeling 'A little CHILL' from marriage separation. heheheh

  Posted by Josh Alan on 06/03/10 05:24 PM

The euro is all hubris for News - OH Despair, the value will come to the equivalent of the USD and the Canadian the same. Once all equal guess what - New World Order currency is easy. One currency, one world.

Trust not in Man, but only in the Almighty.

  Posted by F. Beard on 06/03/10 04:20 PM

"Are the elites 'really' in trouble? " Tawny

I should think so. They are trapped on this planet too. The Moon is not a hollow spaceship by which the elites can escape a radioactive Earth. Not only won't they escape death if they continue to mess up but there is also Judgment after death to be feared.

If the elites were wise then they would embrace liberty and let the slaves go free. Or they can be stubborn like Pharaoh (with an ironic twist?)

  Posted by Tawny on 06/03/10 03:53 PM

The power elite/NWO crowd don't want a middle class, anywhere in the world -- because they don't want the people (as opposed to themselves) to have power.

The main places in the world that had a prosperous middle class were the USA and Europe... also Japan and Argentina, I believe.

So now we are seeing an 'inevitable demise' of the middle classes of the world and of small businesses and the 'need' for 'austerity.' Barefoot and pregnant is how they want us.

Are the elites 'really' in trouble? We will see I guess. Kind of unsettling that they have the power to pull off a 9/11, not to mention the BP 'disaster', and create the phony 'state' of Israel, and foment a century of unnecessary wars, and control food and other necessities of life (include here GMO), and suppress viable healing modalities for degenerative illnesses, and create 'designer diseases', and rain toxic chemicals down on all of us in the form of 'chem-trails'... and with HAARP, trigger earthquakes and knock out communications world wide. And who knows what they have up their sleeves in terms of state of the art 'crowd control' and other weaponry?

So can little David (with his little IQ and) with his slingshot triumph over this modern behemoth? Stay tuned, I guess. Since there's 'no place to run, no place to hide', I guess we haven't much choice but to watch and wait for what comes next.

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