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Afghanistan, the 50-Year War

Monday, June 28, 2010 – by Staff Report

Leon E. Panetta

C.I.A. Chief Sees Taliban Power-Sharing as Unlikely ... The director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Leon E. Panetta (left), expressed strong skepticism on Sunday about the prospects for an Afghanistan deal being pushed by Pakistan between the Afghan government and elements of the Taliban, saying militants do not yet have a reason to negotiate seriously. "We have seen no evidence that they are truly interested in reconciliation, where they would surrender their arms, where they would denounce Al Qaida, where they would really try to become part of that society," said Mr. Panetta in an interview on ABC's news program "This Week." ... Acknowledging that the American-led counterinsurgency effort is facing unexpected difficulty, Mr. Panetta said that the Taliban and its allies at this point have little motive to contemplate a power-sharing arrangement in Afghanistan. ... In his remarks on ABC, Mr. Panetta reiterated the narrow goal Mr. Obama set for the Afghan war: "The fundamental purpose, the mission that the president has laid out, is that we have to go after Al Qaeda. We've got to disrupt and dismantle Al Qaida and their militant allies so they never attack this country again." – New York Times

Dominant Social Theme: Look, as soon as we wipe out Al Qaeda and their military allies we'll leave the region.

Free-Market Analysis: This is startling news. We will explain. First of all, the reality of Al Qaeda is fairly tenuous. It may stem from a "list" of Arab militant activists that the CIA kept in the 1980s and 1990s. Second, without state funding there cannot really be an Al Qaeda. It is a dominant social theme – a fear-based promotion, if you will – that terrorist organizations can exist as free-floating cells within the larger body politic. Terrorists need money, places to stay and relatively safety from whence to launch their attacks. Only the state or excrences of it can provide this sort of security in the modern age. Pakistan, for instance, obviously can, and does.

Leon Panetta also made the point on Sunday (as reported in the Washington Post) that there may be as few as 50-100 Al Qaeda in Afghanistan now. This is an incredible statement from our point of view. How does he know? Do Al Qaeda look different than Taliban? Do they wear name tags? Do they even exist? We remember when Donald Rumsfeld took to the air on national TV with big charts showing the five-level cave complexes that bin Laden operated out of. There were said to be several and thousands of Al Qaeda, as well, though neither the caves nor Al Qaeda were ever found and several months ago the Youtube videos of Rumsfeld's fatuous explanations were take down due to "copyright infringement."

What is not tenuous at all is the hurdles that statements like Panetta's set up when it comes to disengaging from Afghanistan. Al Qaeda, whatever it was, if anything, is now the label for a rag-tag band of young men who are attracted to the fighting in Afghanistan from countries other than Pakistan and Afghanistan itself. The Taliban, of course, are drawn from the 40 million-strong Pashtuns, the loosely linked tribal federation that has lived in the mountainous middle of Afghanistan and Pakistan for up to 5,000 years or more (in one form or another).

Let us translate what Panetta just said this Sunday, then. Here it is, as near as we can figure: "The US, Britain and NATO will not withdraw from Afghanistan until the rebellious Muslim youth drawn to the fighting cease to arrive and cease to fight us. Additionally, we will not withdraw until the Pashtuns effectively surrender and lay down their weapons."

So the demands are on the table. The Pashtuns who have not ceased to fight for hundreds if not thousands of years, must stop fighting. Rebellious youths must stop trickling into the area for training and fighting as well. This strikes us as fairly ambitious. In fact, it strikes us as a methodology for turning a decade-long war into one that goes on for most of the century, so long as America, Britain and NATO can afford it. (Britain has done this before, actually, fighting the Taliban for some 50 years in the latter half of the 1800s, to no real avail.)

There are other complications that Panetta didn't allude to in his statement. In a previous article, we pointed out that the Afghanistan war has become far more generalized now and includes Pakistan. Why Pakistan? Because Pakistan wants to control Afghanistan and has used the Pashtuns and their Taliban fighting force as a means to create a military enterprise that is amenable to Pakistan authority. Pakistan remains a mortal enemy of India and despite US efforts it is hard to see how the leadership and peoples of the two countries will ever get along, not in the short run anyway. Here's some more from the NY Times article:

In his remarks on ABC, Mr. Panetta reiterated the narrow goal Mr. Obama set for the Afghan war ... But Mr. Karzai and Pakistani leaders believe that with the United States scheduled to begin a withdrawal next year, it makes sense to work aggressively toward a coalition that would involve elements of the Karzai government and the Taliban, both largely from the dominant Pashtun ethnic group. That has led to nervousness on the part of Tajiks and other ethnic minorities, which fear Pashtun domination.

Mr. Panetta admitted that despite the C.I.A.'s aggressive campaign against Al Qaeda and its allies in Pakistan's tribal areas — primarily using missiles fired from drone aircraft — the hunt for Osama bin Laden has made little progress. He said the last precise information on the Qaeda leader's whereabouts came in "the early 2000s." He said authorities were alarmed by the recent flurry of terrorist plots and attacks aimed at the United States, most recently the failed car-bomb attack on Times Square May 1. 

We really don't know how all this is going to play out, though we're certainly on record as wondering if the US, Britain and its allies can ever "win" in Afghanistan and – with due modesty – much of what we've been writing about for the past six months has suddenly become "news" in the mainstream media (the idea that the current strategy is failing, etc.). We arrived at our conclusions, of course, by peering behind the dominant social theme of the war – that the West is finally freeing Afghanistan from its quandary of poverty and despair – and trying to figure out what was really going on. Never accept power elite memes at face value.

The elite has been after the Pashtuns for close to 200 years now. The Pashtuns are likely the final impediment to global governance. The war has little or nothing to do with resources, oil, pipelines or drugs. The CIA does not control the war, nor are Jewish bankers playing the Taliban against NATO to kill innocent NATO boys. Sure, there are elements of some of the above at work in the current conflict, but it is bigger than that. The war in Afghanistan is important. 

We have been tracking the "new" emergent strategy now that the old new strategy seems to be in tatters. The idea was to win the hearts and minds of Pashtuns by showing them that the US could protect them against the Taliban. This ignored the overwhelming familial relationships between the Taliban and Pashtuns, as we have long pointed out – and also eight years of wholesale Afghan civilian murder by the NATO allies. An Afghan police force and army would then be trained to take over, leaving the grateful Pashtuns to be governed by non-Pashtun entities that Pashtuns actually despise and have warred against for centuries. The whole doctrine was riven with illogic and now, predictably, seems to be collapsing.

Enter the next cobbled-together enterprise. This emergent variant, as far as we can make out, is that Afghan President Hamid Karzai will make peace with Taliban soldiers that are sick of war by buying them out with houses, cash, etc. The Taliban rump will then be mercilessly attacked by Western forces that will stay in Afghanistan indefinitely. Pakistan is also supposed to do its bit by attacking the Taliban. And India is supposed to supply funds and technology to rebuild Afghanistan. Since the Pentagon has announced that Afghanistan minerals are worth US$3 trillion, we suppose we have to throw that into the mix as well. Where it goes, we have no idea.

All of this is cynical in our opinion. The Pashtuns are not a made-up entity like Iraq. (We don't think the Iraq surge worked, by the way, but we'll reserve judgments pending further hostilities there as well.) The idea in Afghanistan, as Iraq, is to build a nation state AROUND the Pashtuns that will hem them in, contain them and eventually splinter them. But the hemming is to be done by ethnicities foreign to the Pashtun by a government that has decided the Anglo-American axis will not win this war against the Pashtuns anymore than it won the last one.

So that leaves us with three resurgent strategies. The first is that Karzai will make peace with some Taliban and peel off parts of the insurgency. The second is that Anglo-American loot will succeed in buying off the Taliban foot soldiers. The third strategy assumes a rump of Taliban and Al Qaeda forces that will be fought mercilessly by the allies and Pakistan.

What are the downsides to such a strategy? Many in the Taliban do not trust Karzai and see him as little more than a puppet for the Americans. So it is certainly questionable as to whether or not Karzai can deliver a meaningful truce that the allied forces would accept. The Taliban have been fighting for decades and the Pashtuns have been fighting for millennia, so we are not sure that offering the Taliban material goods will necessarily remove foot-soldiers. And this assumes the Taliban is static force and that they cannot recruit to make up for the losses.

We wonder whether the US and NATO have the staying power to fight a rump war against the "remaining" Taliban, assuming the Taliban can be fractured and diminished. Within the same context, we wonder if Pakistan would cooperate in reducing the Taliban to a point where they were not an effective military apparatus, for then Pakistan would lose considerable influence in Afghanistan.

The upshot of all this looks to be something of a stalemate. The Anglo-American/NATO alliance will continue to fight the Taliban, which will continue to operate even if it is fractured and loses soldiers. The Pakistanis will do exactly as the Americans ask, but they will also do the opposite as well. And there is another element to keep track of – the Afghan army, which we would guess is not Pashtun based. NATO is trying hard to build an effective, domestic fighting force. But since Karzai's government would be effectively in charge of the nascent army, and he is intent on cutting a deal with the Taliban, we wonder how effectively the army would be deployed if it gets to the point where it is actually viable.

There are 40 million Pashtuns and hundreds of millions of Pakistanis. Many Pakistanis do not like the war or America anymore than the Pashtuns or the Taliban. It will all come down to US staying power. If the US, especially, is willing to stick it out in this hostile and desolate region for another five or ten years, progress can probably be made. But those in charge of the current hostilities should recall that the British tried for some 50 years without success.

Conclusion: There are no guarantees in this kind of war. Another possibility, of course, would be to widen the war to Iran and set the entire Middle East ablaze. But the horrible thing from an Anglo-American standpoint is that the Pashtuns would probably still be fighting even after other hostilities were resolved. They are the "energizer bunny" of tribal militants.




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  Posted by William3 on 06/29/10 03:54 PM

George Friedman of Stratfor reaches a similar conclusion about this war, from the American perspective. Here's the link:

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  Posted by Steve Lu on 06/29/10 03:53 AM

Blah Blah Blah ... You go into the city for a day come back home to your village a drone has been and killed your wife and child its not rocket science to figure out what most people would want to do,if those same people want to kill Americans so be it,just stop calling them terrorists.

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Huh?

  Posted by Stas on 06/28/10 06:38 PM

Somebody is miscounting the muslim forces.

In real life, there are different races, nations, religions but in reallity there are pacts, peace unions, war allies etc.

Take a look at the world map, you will see the Iran (Persia), Afghanistan, Pakistan and check the Northern neighbors that used to be in the Soviet Union, presently are muslims. Near East Asian countries and most African countries are muslim, therefor, majority of countries are under islam ruling.

After WWII the colonialism collapsed, the european order and disciplin was replaced by local tribal control. New countries born became racially and religiously organized. The Christianity slowelly shrinking and disappearing. The Europian, white power turned into socialistic unions anti religious social organizations.
The future for the world will be changed rapidly by instant international integration racially and religiously.

The muslims are using physical force to advance their goals by jhihad, thus they are advancing in all geaographic aerias.
There is no force that could fight and win agaist the islam and especially when it has the atomic weapons.

The 50 year war is being expanded all over the world.
The American-anglo unity is not able to stand agaist the arab -muslim forces.

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In our view both the first and second world war advanced the Anglo-American agenda. The elite foolishly assumed it could control backwards Muslim nations even though this same elite had helped destroy the cultural foundations of the very nations on which their power rested. Now the elite may be seeing that it is more difficult than they imagined.

  Posted by Gksinclair on 06/28/10 06:01 PM

From what I've read over the past few years I think Al Queida/Bin Laden were set up as boogey men and falsley blamed for 9/11 destruction by US interests to take down the towers. They then have excuse to send country to WAR in Iraq later Afghanistan to keep military industrial complex fuelled with money and power and war machines Special interests got extremely rich as usual.I think we all have a secret Gov't running things they are interested in.

If you look at Towers they disintegrated into powder no Arab can do that. The steel beams on each floor were cut by special explosives in harmony with each other. The pentagon was hit with a missile according to experts not a plane. These wars we are in are purposely orchrastrated.

I think Allies will get out of Afghanistan soon then go to war with Persia and North Korea which have modern armies a start a middle and a obvious end, not a bleeding ulcer as Gen. McCrystal just said.This and the gulf Oil disaster are man made then we have hurricanes fires floods etc nature made. Fortunately Jesus will return soon but as Revelation says not before things get worse. We sure need Him because don't think for a moment things are going to be better. Follow Jesus.

  Posted by IH8zionists on 06/28/10 04:33 PM

i hope and know we're not gonna do better than Alexander the not so great. No one can defeat the Afghans in a battle.

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  Posted by Big M on 06/28/10 04:06 PM

As to terrorist cells without support, there's an easy way to refute the lie that the U.S. is crawling with terrorists. Pretty much all of the people in the Adolf W. Bush administration, who got all of this Middle East genocide started, are walking around alive and free, without secret service protection. If this country was filthy with terrorists, these people would be dead.

There's your proof: there are no terror cells in the U.S., except the ones created by the terrorists in DC for their own and IsraHELL's purposes.

  Posted by AmanfromMars on 06/28/10 02:03 PM

And has not the object lesson of the last century been that those who start wars, no matter how militarily powerful, are always defeated and pay a heavy price. Indeed, is that not the lesson which time immemorial has always been teaching the savage.

  Posted by AmanfromMars on 06/28/10 12:25 PM

"Iran is about to come under attack?" ...... Reply from the Daily Bell

Who knows? There are certainly enough crazy idiots in the world who would think it a good idea, although you cannot guarantee that chaos will not destroy you instead ....... Click to view link

  Posted by Lila Rajiva on 06/28/10 12:16 PM

The objection to a view of history that focuses on intelligent, willing agents making influential choices is often voiced by Marxists and atheists (not necessarily the same, of course) who prefer to see faceless structures and random causation because it supports their innate predisposition. As Oakeshott points out repeatedly, this ignores the inwardness of actions of which history is the outward shadow.

It's interesting to me that the same predisposition makes people leery of "conspiracies." Logically, one can well accept that large structural changes underlie events in history AND that groups of actors act purposefully to set in motion those events. The two really aren't mutually exclusive.

  Posted by Kieth Honeyager on 06/28/10 11:45 AM

I like a lot of your analysis especially economic however I find it difficult to buy into this global conspiratorial mindset that pervades your articles (although I do agree with you on the Fed.) Perhaps instead of powerful but unknown elites what you have are simply reactions, hoped for solutions to problems that in themselves become problems that breed further reactions. Maybe its all a cosmic game of billiards.

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Over the past 100 years, every single important monetary and cultural facet of the modern Anglo-American state has seemingly been oriented toward one objective - global governance. It is difficult to come to a conclusion then, that there is not some animating and intelligent force behind this pattern.

  Posted by Victor Barney on 06/28/10 10:39 AM

In response to: Reply from the Daily Bell: Here's one for you. ...
USS Carrier Harry Truman Now Officially Just Off Iran, As Israel Allegedly Plotting An Imminent Tehran Raid ...:

I do know that Bible prophecy says that Israel(America, through the seed of Joseph, given the "name" Israel, not Judah, promised "grace"(messiah) but not race(civil power)) in the latter days will totally destroy it's half-brother Edom, which I understand is Turkey today! About Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran, and Iraq, Saudi Arabia; I'm not sure, but I am sure that they do not escape the coming "terror" either!

  Posted by AmanfromMars on 06/28/10 10:39 AM

"Here's one for you. ... USS Carrier Harry Truman Now Officially Just Off Iran, As Israel Allegedly Plotting An Imminent Tehran Raid" ... Daily Bell.

Is that more of a worry to Iran or Israel, for any attack on the latter would probably be better globally supported than an assault on the former. And as we all know here on the Daily Bell, you cannot believe anything you read in mainstream news and views for there is always a bigger picture being played out and hidden from the masses.

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Iran is about to come under attack?

  Posted by Msgr Basil Loftus on 06/28/10 10:25 AM

Phew... That was close I thought the poster was Denis Jaisson.

  Posted by Dennis Mihalka on 06/28/10 09:48 AM

50 year war? This region has been in conflict since history began. We are kidding ourselves. It will end when we or someone else declares victory ala France, and leaves.

  Posted by AmanfromMars on 06/28/10 09:03 AM

This is a complementary article from another source on the same subject .....

Click to view link ...... and is that all that Uncle Sam can do ..... to think up tales and phantom ghosts to spin as justification for their raping and pillaging nations of their wealth in exchange for printed paper? For that appears to be the master plan.

And is this the tired old failed strategy for Afghanistan .....

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which certainly would not disagree with ....... "The technocrats need to make Afghanistan a safe place for all the future mining corporations but how can that be accomplished when the entire population hates the fake modern society that they know will be imposed upon them?

Simple solution: employ the same kind of mind-control, social engineering nonsense that keeps the masses in line back home: endless television advertising, control of media, polls, worship of celebrities and sports figures, financial desperation, and "democracy".

If you are a well-adjusted, participant in modern society, you are already quite familiar with the techniques the US military will use to convince the Afghans that "our" way is the best way. Indeed, it must be the only way." ....

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And is Iran's supposed nuclear capability just as Saddam Hussein's WMD capability ........ a dumb reason dreamt up by the intellectually challenged to entertain war and create cripples and lifelong enemies, for it has been mooted that Al Qaeda is a CIA invention and convenient fig leaf for private enterprise empire building?

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Here's one for you. ...

USS Carrier Harry Truman Now Officially Just Off Iran, As Israel Allegedly Plotting An Imminent Tehran Raid ...

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  Posted by Victor Barney on 06/28/10 07:35 AM

I hope the we do better than Alexander the Great did there. By the way, there are historical reports that Alexander the Great died in Babylon, Iraq!

  Posted by Kathleen on 06/28/10 06:01 AM

Thank you, Daily Bell! I especially appreciated your highlighting the very great likelihood (indeed, it probably is a fact) that Al Qaeda is a CIA list of "useful idiots" (my term), patsies, drug runners, etc, etc. It most certainly was not the group that pulled off September 11. The Italian produced "Zero" does a great job of explaining this, as does the DVD "Who Killed John O'Neil?"

At any rate, the U.S. is without doubt an enormous criminal state.

  Posted by TVO on 06/28/10 04:40 AM

Did you guys go to West Point. How is it that you can analyze this stuff better than the generals on TV? O wait, the media stuf is paid-propaganda isn't it. And you're free. Thanks bigDB.