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Iran War Even Closer?

Tuesday, July 13, 2010 – by  Staff Report


Barack Obama

A three-front war? Strikes on Iran becoming more likely ... There is no better illustration of the futility of the $1 trillion Iraq war than news photos of a long line of gasoline tankers lined up bumper to bumper as they leave Iraq to enter Iran. The U.N. Security Council decision to strengthen economic measures against Iran, and President Obama's (left) signing into law draconian new legislative sanctions against Iran's nuclear weapons ambitions leave Iraq's defeated government unable to act. The Iraq Study Group co-chaired by Lee H. Hamilton, the prominent Democrat who heads the Woodrow Wilson International Center, and James A. Baker III, whose Institute for Public Policy is at Houston's Rice University, warned in 2006 that Iran, now rid of erstwhile enemy Saddam Hussein, was already wielding more influence in Iraq than the U.S. The only sanction that would seriously undermine the mullahs' military regime would be a severe shortage of gasoline. Iran is awash in oil but lacks refining capacity and has to import 60 percent of its gasoline. A lack of governance in Baghdad has enabled Iran to strike a sub rosa deal for gasoline imports. – Washington Times

Dominant Social Theme: War is inevitable. Too bad. An unfortunate necessity.

Free-Market Analysis: Articles such as this one set the scene for the unthinkable – a three-front Middle East war. The U.S. is embroiled in Iraq, no matter what apologists for the "surge" say. The Afghanistan war, as we have covered it, is getting bigger without getting any better for the U.S., and now the U.S. seems to be aiming at Iran. Not only that, but according to this Washington Times article, most if not all Sunni Arab countries in the region want the Iranian Shia regime dealt with in no uncertain terms. Here's some more from the article:

Officially, all the Arab rulers of the Gulf and other Arab leaders are strenuously opposed to any Israeli and/or U.S. air strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities. But that opposition is eroding rapidly. Speaking at the Aspen Institute in Colorado last week, the United Arab Emirates Ambassador to the U.S. Yousef al-Otaiba said publicly – before denying it – "I think despite the large amount of trade we do with Iran, which is close to $12 billion, there will be consequences, there will be a backlash, and there will be problems with people protesting and rioting and very unhappy that there is an outside force attacking a Muslim country; that is going to happen no matter what."

And he added, "If you are asking me, 'Am I willing to live with that, versus living with a nuclear Iran, my answer is still the same – 'We cannot live with a nuclear Iran.'" A former Arab leader, in close touch with current leaders, speaking privately and not for attribution, told this reporter July 6, "All the Middle Eastern and Gulf leaders now want Iran taken out of the nuclear arms business, and they all know sanctions won't work."

In a joint op-ed column, former Sen. Chuck Robb and Gen. Charles F. Wald, the air commander in the opening stages of Operation Enduring Freedom in Oct. 2001, say the time is now to prepare credibly for a U.S. military strike. "Sanctions can be effective only if coupled with open preparation for the military option as a last resort ... publicly playing down potential military options has weakened our leverage with Tehran, making a peaceful resolution less likely."

Is it serendipitous that the United Arab Emirates is in favor of bombing Iran? These funny little countries constitute virtually an Arab extension of Anglo-American hegemony. They include Dubai, of course, which is perhaps the most Westernized state in the Arab world, and other tiny slivers of desert that host American air power or share their landing and take-off facilities. Al Jazeera, the so-called Arab media service, was set up there as well, staffed by former BBC operatives and funded by a Sheik who is strongly backed by Western powers.

Why would America seek a three-front war? Well, the answer is that it doesn't; in fact, it's risking something worse! Right now, America is all-but-at-war with Pakistan (over Afghanistan), so conflict with Iran would be part of a FOUR-front war. Is another way to say this that America is about to set the Middle East ablaze? Will Israel sit out the fireworks? How about Syria, Libya, et al.?

We really cannot see where America is going with all this. The Times article has one (cynical) answer, as follows: "The temptation for President Obama to double down on Iran will grow rapidly as he concludes that Afghanistan will remain a festering sore as far as anyone can peer into a murky future, hardly a recipe for success at the polls in November. With a war in Afghanistan, which is bound to get worse, and a military theater in Iraq replete with sectarian violence, the bombing of Iran may give Mr. Obama a three-front war – and a chance to retain both houses of Congress."

We have of course pointed this out as well. One way to resuscitate a failed war is to expand it. But as we have also pointed out, such an expansion runs headlong into the limitations of a post-nuclear world. The powers-that-be cannot simply create a world war to erase current economic insanities. Wars have to be controlled, and rapidly, before they escalate into nuclear conflagrations. There is no "do over" button. Additionally, we think buyer's remorse is so widespread in the U.S. that even an expanded war can't be counted on to reinvigorate Democratic chances. It would more likely further destabilize the anti-war Democratic base without attracting many Independent or Republican voters.

But discount politics. What would be the LARGER results of a three-front (four-front) war? Our minds spin. First of all, it is not at all clear that there is tremendous support for bombing Iran, let alone with "tactical nuclear weapons." And even if Iran is bombed, there will still be 70 million Iranians to deal with. Pakistan might blow as well, as sentiment currently is running something like 90 percent against the U.S. and NATO.

Will the U.S. reinstate the draft? Will the Anglo-American axis dragoon European countries into doubling down in the Middle East – even as they are seeking to extricate themselves from Afghanistan? There is little enthusiasm for war left in the U.S. and less in Europe. It is difficult to see as well how this metastasized war can be sold. It is not a good war. NATO has been "over there" too long.

We keep trying to figure out the logic flow here. We discount the idea that bombing Iran is necessary, because we don't think Iran would ever use a nuclear bomb except perhaps in self defense (a point the Times agrees with). The article is written by the famous journalist Arnaud de Borchgrave, who rarely let slip an opportunity to add fuel to the Cold-War fire during his career; but if you read the full article, it is fairy clear that even de Borchgrave finds the scenario of opening up a third war front with Iran to be somewhat incomprehensible, at least strategically.

Conclusion: We write a great deal about the power elite in these pages. Perhaps the elite has simply reached the end of its collective rope: Loose the dogs of wars and let chaos reign. It is, as we have pointed our previously, a strategy better suited to a pre-Internet era. Today too many people understand. The manipulations are transparent. What are we missing? Ideas? Maybe the Obamas are buying gold.

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Posted by Andrew McKillop on 7/13/2010 6:20:07 AM

As I have many times said, and others are also saying, the so-called Iran nuclear affair is as out of date as dial-up modems or gasoline at 40 US cents a gallon.

The World Nuclear Organization lists more than 50 civil reactors under construction in 13 countries

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Any large-sized nuclear power plant, anywhere, is a Chernobyl-style dirty bomb, either through accident or through attack or sabotage.

The world's current "fleet" of around 440 civil reactors, excluding military and research reactors (over 200) produce well above 20 tons of plutonium a year, based on year 2000 estimated published by the Federation of American Scientists

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As this site says, the detonation of 1 kilogram of plutonium has the explosive effect of about 20 000 tons of chemical explosive.

The concept of "civil nuclear", to one side, and "military" nuclear to the other, separated by the NPT or NNPT, is obsolete or null and void whenever we take account of nuclear reality. Placing batteries of anti-missile weapons, and air defence weapons around every large civil nuclear plant, worldwide, is totally impossible " making these installations Doomsday Machines in the case of real war.

We could fear that technological arrogance, and ignorance conspire to making it seem feasible, to incorrigible War Dogs, that Iran's nuclear installations can be "taken out" the same way that Saddam Hussein's single and toy-size research reactor, under construction, was taken out nearly 30 years ago. This would be a terrible error.


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Good points.

Posted by B.Benhamid on 7/13/2010 6:30:03 AM

From the Declaration of Independence onward, hypocrisy has been as Amarican as apple pie. One could almost define it as a secular American religion, at least among the elites ( any elites, for that matter ).

Posted by Boatman on 7/13/2010 6:45:26 AM

Thank god obozo won't do this, his socialist base would string him up......first positive thought i've ever had on him. Hopefully, this won't get me dropped from your email list again......but....whatever


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We don't drop people over feedback comments. It must have been a glitch. We certainly hope the US doesn't end up in a three front war. How willing is Obama to stand up to the Pentagon?

Posted by John Acord on 7/13/2010 7:18:17 AM

War with Iran is simply not an alternative for BHO even if he desired to exercise the option. There is simply no support for expansion of the M.E. Wars except for a few neo-conservatives whose base has evaporated over the past 10 years of our increasingly chaotic occupation of these primitive states.

While we still are able, its time to have a "Victory" Parade in Kabul and Baghdad, hand over the keys to whatever puppet remains standing and come home. Sanction are futile as Iran will get whatever supplies of gasoline they require from the Gulf states, Turkey, and China, including Iraq while they push to completion the four new refineries currently under construction.

Once the Iranians have the bomb and a means of delivering it they will assume hegemony over the Persian Gulf. The silly little US and UK puppet regimes will be replaced by hard-line allies of Iran. Immediately upon the US's departure from Iraq the Shiites will unite with their Iranian brothers and that will be the end of US power in the Gulf for good. The Saudi's will either adapt or perish. I think they will adapt very quickly. There is no reasonable scenario in which the Israeli's can resist such a force, especially if it includes Turkey, which is likely.

Today, we must move to isolate the M.E. They have nothing but trouble to offer, nothing to export except petroleum, which we are replacing with alternative fuels and increasing efficiencies. It is imperative that all western nations deport all professing Muslims immediately to insure we do not have a fecund enemy polluting and challenging our civilization.

Posted by Jeff on 7/13/2010 7:20:22 AM

War will be the name of the game it's a perfect distraction from the collapse of the fiat money system.The morons running the world will probably use this last trick as ignorant as war is.

Posted by JOHN on 7/13/2010 7:22:57 AM

I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A ORGANIZATION THAT IS TRYING TO ALERT THE MILITARY TO OBEY ORDERS ONLY IF THEY CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CONSTITUTION, HOPE THIS GROWS, BECAUSE IF WE HAVE THE MILITARY WITH 'US', 'THEY' CAN DO LITTLE. THE FUTURE IS NOT BRIGHT AND THE 'ELITE' CAN DO LITTLE 'IF' WE ARE STRONG, ARMED AND READY. IT IS THIS NATION WE MUST PROTECT FROM 'THEM'.


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Caps off, please.

Posted by Dugald Barr on 7/13/2010 7:25:25 AM

'Virulently westernized'?


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Mercantilist central bank, removal of gold-as-money, high graduated income taxes, military-industrial complex, "democratic" tyranny of the majority, state-run justice and prison-industrial complex, corporation-as-person and corporate/government kickbacks, regulatory state with ever-increasing feedback loop of regulation and ruin, etc. As opposed to a republic with minimal governmental interference and meaningful subsidiarity.

Posted by C Moore on 7/13/2010 7:36:18 AM

A war with Iran will be the "endgame", if the West goes through with this it will either be the start of a well planned transition to the new world order or it will be a huge blow to the power elite. We are about to find out whether the elite are all powerful or incompitent.

It seems to me that the nuclear destruction of the Middle East will be inevitable once the war starts. Iran and it's ideological allies have hundreds of thousands of missiles filled with high explosives, radiological materials and possibly biological weapons pointed at Isreal ready to retaliate against any attack. This is enough to virtually level the country, the Isrealis will retaliate by nuking all the major population centers of the enemy, possibly all muslim population centers they can reach, enemy or not.

The radiation from these bombs plus the radiation from the destroyed nuclear facilities will spread over the middle east killing millions, the toxic air will probably spread beyond the middle east causing even more international tensions.

This is only a sampling of the woe we are heading for, oil at $250 a barrel will crash the economy, combine this with the "blowback" we can expect from Iran and you have martial law. I don't even want to think about how Russia and China will respond to the nuclear destruction of the middle east.

Posted by Finn on 7/13/2010 7:37:30 AM

Sadly, I've come to believe that if it makes terrible sense, we'll do it.

Unfortunately, war or not, the unemployed and those threatened with it will not be appeased with war (I hope). Their own economic realities will not improve and as a matter of fact will worsen with the inflation this war will bring on. The blow back on this one will be internal and needless to say, that will not be good for the administration.

But it seems Washington just doesn't understand that people are tiring of this behavior. But without an energy policy and the embedded Jewish interests in our culture and power structure, war is our future 'till we are no more.


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Honestly, it is not a "Jewish" problem.

Posted by Eddie on 7/13/2010 7:44:18 AM

@ John,

what evidence do you have that this organisation exists. Can you explain? As far as I know the military gets it's orders from the white house. The constitution gets lip-service.

Posted by Knldgskr on 7/13/2010 7:45:04 AM

Never forget the basic Communist rule to obtain power, "Create chaos, then present yourself as the only solution."

Posted by Adrian W. on 7/13/2010 7:59:22 AM

There's one question not answered. Where in God's good Earth do they intend on getting the money for number 3 war?
A half baked desperate ploy, indeed. Hopefully, it will lead to a quicker demise of the 'power elite's' agenda.

Posted by Eddie on 7/13/2010 8:21:26 AM

@ Adrian,

To paraphrase Ben Bernanke: We have the printing press!

Posted by Victor Barney on 7/13/2010 8:21:58 AM

As I had said before, the set-apart Hebrew Scriptures report that Israel, by the seed of Joseph(Genesis 48:16) destroys Edom(Turkey) in the last days, not Iran! Turkey, by the way, is the only "Islam" country in NATO! Watch!

Posted by Victor Barney on 7/13/2010 8:25:48 AM

@ Adrian W.:

They(America) get the money from the "cashless society" described in the set-apart Bible; watch!

Posted by Stas on 7/13/2010 9:16:26 AM

The HOUR GLASS is running low....

The situation is very critical, but .....nothing will happen as long as Obama is the Commander in Chief.

Therefore, we will have six more years of dickering around. By the end of five years, Iran will drop A bomb over Izrael. The same year all Europe will be under islam = shariaah law.

Obama has plans to become the ruler of the Global government.
Amen

Posted by Dan on 7/13/2010 10:05:13 AM

I don't think the Obamas are "buying" gold, or anything else for that matter. That's not their style, or for that matter, of any of the other "politicians" in the USA.

More likely, they're taking a page from Baby Doc, or Batista...and making preparations to load up Air Force One with as much bullion as they can stuff in it...from where ever they can get it...before they bid farwell to their "beloved" countrymen who will be thoroughly immersed in what will become known as the 2nd civil war.

It's all becoming much clearer to me now.

Posted by Slim Pickens on 7/13/2010 11:08:09 AM

Common sense would dictate that the "West" shift from a meddling-offensive posture to an introspective-defensive one. The elitist empire mongers have corrupted our media, educational, corporate, and government institutions to the point of no return (other than complete collapse and rebuilding). I fear that our strong ties to Israel...a thorn in the sides of everyone...will draw us inexorably toward a ME end game of brutality. And what about North Korea, Taiwan, Japan, and every other nation state the US has sworn to defend?

The sheeple have been delivered to the edge of an ungodly cliff and are expected to march on. People the world over wish only to live in peace, harmony, and love yet continue to hand the reins of power to egomaniacs and sociopaths.

It's the human condition. The best we can do is take good care of our own families, business, and fellow humans. Freedom comes from realizing the futility of worry.

Posted by RG on 7/13/2010 11:12:02 AM

Maybe....., if the Elite's want war...., we should take it to THEM ! Once they get a taste of what they are putting the rest of us through....., maybe all this hypocracy can change.....??

Posted by Leonardo Pisano on 7/13/2010 11:44:45 AM

Dear DB:

I don't know all the answers, but here are a few thoughts.

1. War is a perfect mechansism for the PE to reinforce its power and control. A common enemy is a strong binding factor to let people do what you want. But going to war must be justified, hey even called for by the mass. So create a common threat (Iran has the nuke) that's beyond discussion.

2. Economic misery makes people feel helpless as you have pointed out many times. Feeling helpless conditions the collective minds for strong leadership and PE control. In times of despair (maybe too strong word at this point in time) people go into survival mode and forget their dignity and reservations about war: it's welcome even!

3. I am not sure about the goal of war with Iran either, other than seeking ultimate world control. Maybe the THREAT of war is a good enough mechanism re Pt#2.


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Good ideas ...

Posted by Paul on 7/13/2010 12:17:30 PM

A 3 front war? A 4 front war? What a great idea! But, who's going to pay for it. We're already so broke we can't even afford to pay attention!


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"We're already so broke we can't even afford to pay attention!"

Can we use this?

Posted by Oildog on 7/13/2010 12:30:49 PM


When in doubt, unleash the dogs of war. War is the ultimate distraction. War is the health of the state. It allows the "complex" to ravage and pick over the financial bones of the country.

Posted by LarryK on 7/13/2010 1:55:14 PM

@ JOHN "I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A ORGANIZATION THAT IS TRYING TO ALERT THE MILITARY TO OBEY ORDERS ONLY IF THEY CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CONSTITUTION"

@ Eddie on 7/13/2010 7:44:18 AM

"what evidence do you have that this organisation exists. Can you explain? As far as I know the military gets it's orders from the white house. The constitution gets lip-service."

Both and to ALL: Check out the web for the "Restore America Plan" @
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This "organization" was approached by HIGH UP, and I mean HIGH UP, US military officers who literally dictated the plan to them and how it would come about. I also believe members of the Supreme Court are involved. They, and others, including myself, see this as the only PEACEFUL means to turn this country around. There is a better plan which I will not speak of here. I also understand that about half of the military are behind this. Maybe McCrystal? Understand some are higher than NSA advisors! I have tried to get DB to research and report but to no avail! Maybe others will plead also?


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Thanks for the info, much appreciated. ...

Posted by Tom Wojo on 7/13/2010 3:40:18 PM

I believe the organization that John might be referring to is Click to View Link


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You may be correct.

Posted by Tom Wojo on 7/13/2010 3:42:46 PM

The previous post should have had the organization as Oath Keepers with this link, Click to View Link


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Thanks.

Posted by TMoore on 7/13/2010 4:24:36 PM

"Mercantilist central bank, removal of gold-as-money, high graduated income taxes, military-industrial complex, "democratic" tyranny of the majority, state-run justice and prison-industrial complex, corporation-as-person and corporate/government kickbacks, regulatory state with ever-increasing feedback loop of regulation and ruin, etc. As opposed to a republic with minimal governmental interference and meaningful subsidiarity."

True that! Truth of these wars is that they are a murderous and expensive distraction for the vulgar polity. I would like to see our Dear Leaders try to institute a draft now. Could the blow back from such tyranny surprise some of us while astonishing the rest?

I find it difficult to see casting the denizens of the Arab and other south Asian countries as a "common enemy" selling very many more tickets to the American public. It may take an attack here at home to do the trick...hey wait!


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"I would like to see our Dear Leaders try to institute a draft now."

We too ...

Posted by Amal3113 on 7/13/2010 6:59:08 PM

John spoke of a military resistance group. They are called Oathkeepers and they are both current and veterans of the United States Military. I know I can't put a link on this site, but if you do a search you will find them.

Also, check out "Military Joining the American Resistance to Protect the Constitution" on youtube. It will have other links to things done by this brave Marine from Oklahoma. The group Oathkeepers is all over America, very active and very large. Private individuals I believe can join but at least they can keep in contact via email, that I know. As a military wife I was able to join, so I am not sure my information about private citizens is right. God Bless.


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Thanks. You are welcome to put links in feedback.

Posted by Nanoo Visitor on 7/13/2010 7:04:10 PM

Fidel Castro sounds off on TV, yesterday (the image looks a little scary): Click to View Link


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We always found him "a little scary."

Posted by Nanoo Visitor on 7/13/2010 8:17:51 PM

I'm sure discoveries within the last month have no bearing on whether the war drum beat increases. Possible 30 Billion barrel oil field, and 700 Million cubic feet natGas field in Iran.


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There is oil all over the world. It may be abiotic. These are pretexts in our opinion.

Posted by Shane on 7/13/2010 9:08:02 PM

"Its not a Jewish problem"?

I love DB, but how can y'all discount the fact that the word "Israel" never seems to be far from the lips of U.S. policy-makers (esp. the more hawkish/neocon--including Democrats--elements)?

I'm not saying Jews are "bad" or anything like that, but does AIPAC (and the way so many American politicians cowtow to them) ring any bells? Is it really so hard to imagine that Israel-centric special interest groups have at least SOME influence over policy and the American psyche?



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No, it makes no sense to us. History is being driven by a power elite composed of phenomenally wealthy families and individuals, and one family in particular said to be worth tens of trillions. Go ahead and use the word Jews to describe this tiny, elite group. Or use the word "banana" or something else.

Now they may USE Jews for various jobs, or recruit from Jews, generally, much as the mafia recruits Italians; they may have an affinity for Israel for one reason or another, but to say that "Israel" and "Jews" have "influence" over American policy is to miss the point. The mafia is a good example, in fact. To attribute to "Italians" the deeds of the mafia would be to confuse the issue in our opinion.

Posted by Shane on 7/13/2010 9:13:50 PM

Why more war? Why not? WWI wasn't quite enough to get the nascent world govt started (League Of Nations)...so do it over (WWII) and you get the United Nations. Same rationale as the creation of the USGovt. Individual States can't be trusted w/governing power so...create a central govt that watches over THEM. Central govts representing sovereign countries can't be trusted so...create a supra-national govt to watch over THEM.

Posted by Wyz on 7/13/2010 9:48:26 PM

Limiting my feedback to one theme, 3 front war. Remember, Iran is between Iraq and Afghanistan. And also the large US naval presence in the waters adjoining Iran.

A Three Front war generally implies war fronts in different directions or regions of the world. Adding Iran to the existing conflicts looks more like one massive war front against 3 nations is being created. Or 4 counting Pakistan. And Pakistan is already has nuclear warheads.


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That is a good point, from a physical standpoint. It is all one region.

Posted by Rolland Carpenter on 7/13/2010 11:46:56 PM

Israel PM Netanyahu was in America this week--apparently to be sure America will continue to support Israel's belligerence in the Middle East, even if it requires America to invade Iran. Netanyahu does seem to be in charge, at least based on the televised love-fest with Obama in the White House, yet!


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Obama is in charge of America? Netanyahu is in charge of Israel. Are you sure?

Posted by Ed Waggoner Sr. on 7/13/2010 11:57:34 PM

I am new to you site. "O baby, where have you been all my life?"

It all about controlling natural resources. We are not in the middle-east so that we Americans can have more oil. We are in the middle-east to insure that Americans don't have more oil. It is simply the law of supply and demand; less oil equals higher prices. We are in these wars to keep oil off the market.

The Gulf oils spill has the same goal. Shut down production, limit supply and increase prices. The leaders of Iran are not stupid enough to drop a nuclear bomb, they know that that would be the end of them. And interesting book I recommend is, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, by John Perkins.


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Hi, there. You write ...

"It all about controlling natural resources. We are not in the middle-east so that we Americans can have more oil. We are in the middle-east to insure that Americans don't have more oil. It is simply the law of supply and demand; less oil equals higher prices. We are in these wars to keep oil off the market. "

Very good! We've pointed this out in the past. But, still, we don't think these wars are ultimately about commodities. They are about control.

John Perkins makes many good points, but leaves something to be desired from a free-market point of view ...

Posted by William3 on 7/14/2010 12:09:14 AM

I read today that 58% of Americans disapprove of Obama's performance. Most of that is probably due to the economic morass the country is in. But the 2 costly Middle East wars that never seem to end, must be factors as well.

With this backdrop, it is difficult to imagine Obama initiating another unprovoked war, as Bush did in Iraq. This seems to me a recipe for political failure for Democrats in November -- contrary to the Post's prognosis. In America, launching wars is no longer a good thing politically. Cynicism toward war is growing.

So why is Obama rattling swords before Iran? One feasible answer is to threaten force to push Iran to back off its nuclear ambitions. But Iran surely can see through this false threat.

Alternatively, the Power Elite cares more about controlling the Middle East than worrying about which party controls the US Congress -- or the White House. They may just be saying it's all or nothing at this point. Full speed ahead!

In any event, this situation has the feel of WWI, when all sides were lined up for war, but no one knew clearly why. Then an obscure Archduke was killed. Dangerous game.

Posted by Clayton on 7/14/2010 3:08:08 AM

War has a logic of its own. Clausewitz summed up the requirements for Victory as first, the defeat of the enemies army, second, the occupation of his country, and finally, the destruction of his will to resist.

The Elder Moltke added to this the admonishment that "War is a state of contingencies, no plan survives the first contact with the enemy.

The domestic economy is in a very bad way and the real estate market is looking ready to decline further as the next set of resets takes place and the banks start moving more of their substantial inventories out of their current holding pattern and onto resolution in defaults and foreclosures. Spending here on the once prosperous West Coast is down noticeably almost everywhere.

An expansion of the current War could be just the thing to get the public attention off of the real problems the nation faces and on to manageable news items, the usual steady flow of tidbits from the front, packaged to evoke feelings and to debase rationality.

It is probably good for a two to three month distraction, which would be sufficient to get past the November elections and into the Holiday Season. Between the weekend before Thanksgiving and the second week in January the public is self-indulging in a frightful amount of idiocy, so that critical attention would not likely focus on the consequences of this new adventure until the next Congress is seated. They would be faced with a fiat accompli and even the more Paulian teabaggers could be counted on to hold their tongue until the Spring.

The constraining factors then are not likely to be political, but diplomatic, economic and strictly operational. Will we be able to get the Chinese to buy into the project? Will the Russians sit on their hands, allowing themselves to be encircled from below? Is the bond market ready to secure the necessary swing financing for this? How will this effect the interest rate environment? If it forces rates higher, how will that complicate the reset issues mentioned above? How will it effect the availability of capital to fund all the other activities necessary to sustain an economic recovery? Can our friends in the Gulf provide the funding on their own? Do the Saudis see this as the next phase of the Iraq/Iran War of the 1980's?

Most importantly, how does the Military look on this mission? What is the state of readiness? The terrain of Iran is much more difficult than Iraq and more than twice the size of Afghanistan. The occupation of this country, without splitting it up into separate pieces, would require at least 500,000 men. It might need 700,000 or 800,000. It is a huge undertaking. If we do not occupy it and reeducate its population, all we will accomplish in the long run is creating millions of potential future terrorists, whose search for vengeance will haunt the planet for the next 60 years.

If a miracle occurs and we are successful, the new Iran that emerges will easily become the dominating power in the region, due to its geographical position and the relative superiority of its national IQ over any of its neighbors, with the exception of Russia. It will be the Shah all over again.

In the financial press we hear about the health of the stock market being dependent on investors having a restored appetite for risk. So, we should not be surprised to hear in the main stream media that the health of the State is reflected in its willingness to strike out on these kinds of grand adventures. The West is in a great funk, so our masters might think kicking these Wogs around is just the right tonic.

But again, War is a state of contingency and like all those that preceded it, this plan will not survive its first contact with the enemy.


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"If we do not occupy it and reeducate its population, all we will accomplish in the long run is creating millions of potential future terrorists, whose search for vengeance will haunt the planet for the next 60 years."

Maybe this is the reason ...

Posted by Nonchalantdog on 7/14/2010 3:40:42 AM

Is this family that you speak of being worth tens of trillions the rothschilds. You're right Jews are not the problem Zionism AND isreal are THE problems any well informed decent humanbeing (Jew or gentile) knows this.

Posted by Biresh on 7/14/2010 8:25:30 AM

The New World Order elite want war. A big war. They will get it. Depopulation is a favorite elite theme. As for the Internet, the elite will find out a way to restrict or eliminate it all together in the pretext of security.


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Boy, another optimist.

Posted by Glenn Ellis on 7/14/2010 1:09:49 PM

"It is all about control." To initiate and maintain control, debauch the currency, involve the populace in endless wars, create and maintain unemployment, etc. Following example, from my own experience, shows a Fed sponsored program developed the capability to create jobs in the private sector ($8 sales for every $1 spent on program costs).

Needed in our Nation today to create stability is the creation of MORE JOBS. This program did that but was cancelled, and, except for one obscure evaluation warrenting its effectiveness, was never publicized. In that environment, my mention of "replication" was ridiculed.

Is this another example of the "control" of which the Daily Bell speaks?

Subject: A suppressed job creations program
Date: Tue, Jul 13, 2010 4:06 pm

This is about a Federal program, the Energy Related Inventions Program (ERIP), that has created new jobs in the private sector to the extent of having generated an $8 sales return for every $1 invested in program costs. And has done this within the US Department of Energy (DOE). But for some reason at this particular time of National need for more jobs --- has been "retired" from DOE.

Significantly, as a program, ERIP required few resources and could easily be replicated within the private sector with the help of high technology companies that generally exist within most modern communities. And it would seem this program would be more successful in creating jobs in the private sector than it was when operated for the same purpose as a Federal program.

The initial need, as indicated --- to surface promising new inventions by soliciting, evaluating, and recommending promising inventions that would be the start of new businesses. In this, some cooperation would be required from the respective communities' high technology companies to solicit, evaluate, and recommend promising inventions. And this program should fit well within most communities that have need to create jobs, which should be about everywhere.

With such a mechanism being available for generating jobs, having been proven, and capable of being widely and easily replicated in the private sector --- WHY IS THIS CONCEPT NOT BEING WIDELY EMPLOYED? Especially now given the Nation's primary widespread need to produce jobs in a failing economy..

The typical inventor's primary problem usually has been to surface his (or her) invention to the point where the concept can be successfully tested and demonstrated. This usually requires developing and testing a prototype under the auspices of a credible organization. But to get to this point requires an evaluation of the invention as promising, and recommendation of the invention as worthy. Then a prototype must be built and tested to prove the concept. The prototype in the past cost around $50k, thus the need for grant support. For the inventor to succeed, these assists were all usually necessary.

But with these assists and having a prototype to demonstrate the concept, the inventor has various choices to market his technology. If for lack of funds unable to market the technology himself he can sell the invention outright, or form a joint venture usually with a larger company. The Licensing Executives Society has been eager to help inventors from this program license their technology.

ERIP was established by Federal law within the same 1974 legislation that established the Energy Research and Development Agency, predecessor to DOE. ERIP was a program intended, nationwide, solely to support inventions in the private sector, and initially was seen as a funnel effort to bring energy related inventions to the engineering prototype stage from where the concept could be readily demonstrated and brought to the stage for public acceptance by large companies.

Do a google search for Energy Related Inventions Program and you will find more information about ERIP. As of March 16, 2010, despite its successes you will see that it "has been retired." Never particularly popular with DOE program managers, since it emphasized private sector initiatives instead of DOE Laboratory support. most DOE program managers I knew when I worked there preferred dealing with universities and large companies instead of with inventors and small businesses.

Nor did they view inventions as particularly important. "If we need an invention, some DOE managers told me, we will go to the DOE Labs." In fact, DOE as a Federal Agency exists, they believed, not particularly to develop now energy saving technologies, but to support DOE's National Labs.

Look on the first page that appears if you google "Energy Related Inventions Program." Included here will be reference to a report, "ERIP Evaluation Challenges and Solutions" by Dr. Marilyn Brown at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory, which evaluation can be downloaded.. Dr. Brown's conclusion: "this program paid for itself in its short existence generating 8 times more revenue in sales than the program cost."

I say this with some confidence, having spent 5 years in the Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL), a DOE contractor laboratory as a development engineer, and 15 years in DOE's ERIP. I have been retired from DOE since about 1992.

Most of the life changing inventions supporting the high standard of living we enjoy today have come from the private sector, perhaps most often by those inventing outside their area of expertise. Not the Labs. Not the Universities. But from individual inventors and small businesses, as shown by the historical record. And after startup with rare exceptions large companies typically get their new technology from buyouts of individual inventors and small business, not from their own in-house research.

Thus I believe that a small program, supported by existing high technology companies, with some funding and management support, ideally with nationwide solicitations, could be quickly put together to accomplish great things. We need new growth to help balance the budget and create new jobs. Our greatest need today is for new technology and inventions as necessary for new business startups. Inventors and small business have always been the prolific source of most new employment, being the historic resource from which most new jobs have started. Indeed, the problem of creating new jobs does not lend itself primarily to economic or administrative solution, as many seem to think today. We have here another case, I believe, where the Feds have taken over the support of new technology which in a number of instances could be better handled within the private sector.


Reply from the Daily Bell:

Thanks. The odds of the federal government doing anything to help anyone on a consistent basis (other than the military industrial complex) seems fairly untenable.

Posted by TMoore on 7/14/2010 2:21:23 PM

"The bottom line here is that Americans don't believe in President Obama's leadership," says Rob Shapiro, another former Clinton official and a supporter of Mr Obama. "He has to find some way between now and November of demonstrating that he is a leader who can command confidence and, short of a 9/11 event or an Oklahoma City bombing, I can't think of how he could do that." Financial Times 13 July 2010 18:51

Is the PE hanging crepe for another false flag event or could there be a Black Swan in the offing? Who knows. It is possible that the recent increasingly hyper-regulatory behavior by the PTB may correlate with their perception that an unanticipated instability is threatening the status quo...hmmm.

An associate has developed what may be termed the Walmart effect which posits that a critical mass of the polity has individual reality-based IQs of less than 100. These individuals are, thereby, disposed to "suffer" increasingly insufferable levels of government sponsored abuse which is indirectly proportional to the likelihood of spontaneous political galvanization. I hope the Tea Party explodes this hypothesis.

Nullification remains the ace in the hole for the states, but was rendered a nullity following the War Between the States which ended, among other things, the right of freedom of association. No leader of the several states has stepped to the plate to push this issue on any number of unauthorized federal statutes given the color of law (health, education and welfare immediately come to mind). Most "US Americans" have no idea that the several states are sovereigns unto themselves regarding most aspects of quotidian life because government sponsored schools have spared no effort or expense to enervate its charges. Which brings me back to the Walmart effect...

Posted by Alpha on 7/14/2010 4:18:33 PM

I haven't read all the posts, but no-one has said much about the oil in Iran. It would be a great opportunity for the PE to exploit an Iranian Nuclear Crisis and end up controlling most of the major oil fields in Iran. Good time to invest in oil companies before the price shoots up in a crisis. Sound familiar.

Posted by L W Crissman on 7/14/2010 6:03:36 PM

I am new to The Daily Bell, so forgive me if this has been addressed many times before.

It is a trivial matter, but is there any way to view the entire photos of Appenzel that are used for your background? A link to your library of such photos would be greatly appreciated.

As perhaps intended, they would provide a calming context to aid in contemplating the dire content of your posts.


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Here ...

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Posted by Glenn Ellis on 7/16/2010 11:09:08 AM

@ DB

You miss what was a primary point in the 7/14.09 post above. It was to imply support of, I believe, an implied premise that one of the power elite's primary purposes is to create world instability and promote chaos. (You have implied this previously before on several occasions.) For this, job creation represents an antidote and contributes to National and personal security. The world elite might therefore be expected to oppose any program able to create jobs. Job insurity leads to chaos.

The jobs program I wrote about, while created within a Federal Agency, and successful there, I opined, might be more successful if operated and managed within the private sector.

It was suppressed within this Federal Agency I thought at the time because it suggested that some technology development might be accomplished better within the private sector than within a Government Agency. That was probable.

But also probable, it seems now, the power elite would oppose it simply because jobs equate to National and personal security and stability -- something (for whatever reson) the power elite does not want to see. They prefer chaos. (I.e., what actions has OBama taken, which have created National and even World chaos, that he wouldn't have taken if National and world chaos had been at least one of his intended purpose?)

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