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Is the Internet Anti-War?
Call of Duty: are the kids all right? Parents of teenagers need not fear the latest war videogame – and stopping them playing it could lead to some classic tantrums ... The annual pop-culture juggernaut which is Call of Duty has again rolled into town: this year's iteration, Black Ops, is in the shops today. Given that it's a much better game than was perhaps anticipated, that is good news for gamers. But its arrival will induce a certain amount of consternation among parents, especially of teenage boys, worried that that's the last they will see of their offspring until they emerge, all but zombified, at some unspecified point in the future. Such fears are understandable but, I would contend, fallacious. Call of Duty is not a particularly unique game – there are hundreds of other similar first-person shooters, in which the player takes on the role of a soldier in startlingly realistic combat situations – but CoD is one of the highest-quality games money can buy. Despite being developed by a different company to its standards-setting predecessor, Modern Warfare 2, Black Ops has turned out to be at least as good. – UK Guardian
Dominant Social Theme: Kill 'em all. And then reload.
Free-Market Analysis: Believing in the free-market, we are not enthusiastic fans of censorship, or generally banning information. In fact, we believe that if parents are worried about a given influence in their lives or their children's lives, they should try to widen the range of exposure. A frame of reference is infinitely preferable to reducing what is available. A well-lived life is an educated one – and one can only be educated by informing oneself widely. One does not acquire wisdom and knowledge by restricting inputs but by adding to them.
Having said this, we want to point out that these "shooter" games (see article excerpt above) – especially the ones that simulate American combat against unspecified enemies – are (cumulatively) horrible. They are easily seen on Youtube where skilled adolescents deposit their "best" games online along with commentary on various styles of killing, knife throws, etc. It is very graphic and the games themselves are graphic as well. There's plenty of blood when someone is killed and one can easily kill dozens or even hundreds in a single sitting. Some of the games end with nuclear blasts when everyone presumably dies.
Now, let us be clear. There's nothing wrong with all this insofar as socialization goes. The gameplayers themselves often talk about the bonding that takes place during a game (you can play them online) and how the games build online friendships with others who may be in different cities, states or countries. Adolescents, even children, are perfectly able to make the distinction between electrons and real people. No one necessarily turns into a violent bully because of a game. Additionally, as we have pointed out before, violence in legitimate defense of oneself, one's family or one's property is an unfortunate (or noble) fact of life.
But nonetheless we have a problem with these war games, and in the rest of this article we shall try to explain why. But in order to do so we have to start with America's continued culture of violence and ignorance – a mindset purposefully inculcated by the powers-that-be in our opinion. Ignorant and ill-informed people are easier to manipulate than those who wish to think for themselves. As the goal of the Anglo-American elite is an evermore tightly knit global government, anything that dumbs-down the public in the West and around the world is fair game. Within this context, the games act may be seen as a furtherance of mind-control.
Mind control in the West, and certainly in America, has been very aggressive throughout the 20th century and into the 21st as we have been discussing here at the Bell. There is nothing very tricky about mind control, though the alternative 'net media likes to talk up its more bizarre permutations. No, mind control is fairly simple if one controls enough of society. The way to control society of course is to use other people's money to open the coffers to truly gigantic floods of currency. The elite has done this through central banking, which allows for the printing of money out of nothing.
Once a small intergenerational, familial banking group has access to as much money as it needs, the reconstruction of society can proceed apace. The media is controlled, education is reconfigured to run parallel to media messages, business itself is reshaped to offer products and services within the parameters of the larger agenda. And of course culture and politics are easily shaped along the same lines.
One sees this most clearly with global warming (we just wrote about this failing meme yesterday) – an unraveling elite promotion that has played out under the glare of the Internet. From what we can observe, fear-based promotions are launched regularly through a variety of portals, mostly through elite-controlled think tanks (is there any other kind?) that then make their way into various academic journals and build, finally, an assemblage of professorial support.
It only takes a few professors, as we have seen with global warming, to control the entire output of the message. These professors may or may not be aware of the full-nature of the promotion (its falsity) but they must be dedicated to its propagation and willing to twist arms and bend scholarship to ensure that the given meme is presented widely and well. To this end, they control the necessary scientific journals and, as tenured professors, often become the gatekeepers of the necessary information.
Once a sufficient body of research has been built up, the meme can be disseminated to the elite-controlled mainstream media. Magazine articles are published and books are written – all controlled within the context of approved elite messaging. Finally, NGOs, unions and other groups with elite affiliations begin to agitate for "solutions" to whatever fear-based or scarcity meme is being propounded.
These agitations – which may turn violent – are covered by the elite-controlled media, thus creating a kind of sounding board or reverberation effect in which the message itself becomes inescapable. Government swings into action to attempt to solve the problem. These debates provide further messaging; the promotion feeds upon itself like a fire raging out of control. Large corporations begin to set up businesses focused on selling products linked to the meme (whether or not there's a profit in it). Entrepreneurs begin to focus on it as well, building business lines to service the larger corporations.
Now the dominant or sub-dominant social theme seems suddenly to be everywhere. There are doctorial degrees specializing in the subject; and professors begin to teach special classes. Think tanks begin to receive government money to provide more analyses; newspapers hire special reporters to cover the "issue of the day." Politicians make it their pet cause. Cable TV station talking heads get into the act; there are debates. C-Span produces call-in shows on the subject. Non-profits are even funded by corporations to further promote the messaging. Not all of this is a "plot" by any means. Once the societal mechanisms have been set in place, they tend to operate on auto-pilot.
This is how an elite promotion works, when it works well. And in the 20th century, especially, the utter control over all kinds of society's messaging gave the Anglo-American axis enormous power. If it wanted to introduce rock and roll and drugs into society, it could. If it wanted to create a pop group with worldwide fame (even if one its members died midstream) it could. If it wanted man to go to the moon, then this would occur as well (whether or not it actually happened).
In the 21st century all of this has been scrambled, and not to the elite's liking. The elite may have had a chokehold on all the nexuses of Western information – grade school academics, higher-education, general polity, non profits, think tanks, major media – but the Internet provided a neat alternative course through for alternative information. The elite dammed the river but the water found another route. And so it has continued to this day, fortunately.
However, when it comes to "gaming," elite mind-control has managed a breakthrough; it has made effective use of the Internet for perhaps the first time with same effectiveness that it brought to 20th century mind-control techniques. It is the FIRST real breakthrough that the elite has had regarding the Internet in our view. This is because gamers want to play these games on the 'Net. Mind control does not work without the "buy in" of the subject, not on a large scale anyway.
We haven't bothered to trace it, but we bet there is covert Anglo-American intelligence support or funding for companies that make some of these war games. This is because the longer that a child plays these games, the more immersed in the vocabulary of the games the individual will become. What the games end up doing is shutting down critical faculties regarding society's larger use of violence.
A young person (boys mostly) playing these games regularly is going to have a hard (or harder) time in our view generating an internal critique of his country's use of violence. The individual may be entirely peaceable, but the part of his mind that might be receptive to alternative perspectives regarding the state's larger use of formalized violence has been "controlled" by his avid use of war gaming.
The only solution to such mind control is a wider frame of reference, such as that which the Internet can provide. Since these young people are often playing these games online, one would hope that they might gradually acquire a wider frame of reference via the many alternative points of view that the Internet offers them, if they choose to look. We are not so naïve however as to believe the majority of young people in the West have gained access to the broad array of alternative media that is available, however. Perhaps they will as they grow older and the Internet expands its reach.
The issue of course is not really war-gaming so much as what society tolerates. Our elves are old enough to remember the anti-war sentiments of the 1960s and 1970s. The children of the baby-boomers that espoused such sentiments are the ones playing these shooting games on computer for hours at a time. It is in fact an intensive culture, with its own lingo, superstars and strategies; it is a full culture built indisputably around daily electronic mayhem. It may not encourage violent thinking, but it certainly suggests that violence can provide solutions.
Here is what we wish these children would spend their time on. (Follow along if you're still with us.) One of our favorite young feedbackers "Adam" recently posted a link to an interview with Graham Hancock. Hancock is the indispensible investigative writer who has spent his life establishing the phenomenon of a precursor culture, a worldwide maritime civilization that existed mostly on shorelines in great cities now submerged. For six years in the 2000s, Hancock used his own funds (he's a bestselling author) to dive off the coasts of various continents where he believed he would find the ruins of these civilizations. They were, he theorized, drowned at the peak of their glory some 15,000 years ago when the world's last Ice Age diminished and the seas filled up.
In fact, in 100 meters under water, Hancock did find evidences of these civilizations over and over, and has since then written a 700-page book about them replete with hundreds of footnotes called Underworld: The Mysterious Origins of Civilization.
You would think that the documented discovery of a 15,000-year-old civilization with clear evidence of submerged cities would cause a stir in both the scientific and mainstream press. But it has not. It is not, in our view, to the advantage of the elite to publicize such knowledge as anything that disturbs the airless certainty that the current version of civilization is penultimate one. If there are other civilizations and other ways of doing things, then people might begin to question what they are living through and why.
The questions Hancock raises go far beyond the iteration of great, lost civilizations. On both land and under water, he points out that the stones that were used for construction purposes are 75 to 100 tons and were cut with infinite care so that a knife blade cannot fit between them. There is no technology in the world today that can lift, let alone place, such megaliths. Similarly, ancient, sacred Hindu texts speak of flying machines in great detail – along with other more destructive technologies – that were available to these ancient civilizations. The supposed aircraft, by the way, can be seen topping many ancient Hindu temples, carved into the rock like elaborate and mysterious tops, mute testimony to what scripture claims once was.
Hancock goes much further (being Hancock). He postulates that the ancients lifted rocks with mind control and that the ancient Indian civilizations had ways of gaining access to alternative (parallel) dimensions and civilizations, and that this is what sacred Hindu texts are based upon. We have no way of knowing (nor currently does Hancock) how much of this true, if any. But there is clearly an ancient technology at work that humans of this day and age have not yet discovered. It may have made use of magnets, mercury and gyroscopes – or it may have been even more esoteric. But something was once well known that is not known at all today.
For Hancock, what is going on today (so he says) is a spiritual struggle between good and evil. He believes that humankind once had a way of protecting itself from its elites and from their use of money power (our term, not his) to undermine civil society and create their vision of a New World Order. That knowledge, too, he claims has been lost, bringing down the great tragedy of humanity's current difficulties. He has dedicated the rest of his life to rediscovering these ancient understandings and to fighting what he considers the current Dark Ages.
Conclusion: Keeping an open mind as we try to do, we'll jump to no hasty conclusions about Hancock's views (though we are aware many would consider them "far out"). We do know that Western society with its phony promotions, its incessant "war on terror" against a CIA/MI6-created terror front, its evermore expansive authoritarian solutions and – above all – a younger generation that spends its spare time bonding over murderous, electronic war games is not a very healthy society spiritually. We also believe, however, that in the 21st century the Internet will make an increasing difference in the way people look at themselves and their societies. It is, so to speak, the anti-war game.
Posted by TexanInSweden on 11/12/10 01:31 AM
You wanna talk about Gravity? The magic force that pulls everything to either the center of a rock or a ball of gasoues fire. This seemingly endless supply of energy that comes from nothing and nowhere.
Gravity does not exist, it defies logic. Even the physicists agree that they have no idea what gravity is.
Wanna do some brain gymnastics? Wanna shatter your Faith in your scientists read this, The Final Theory by Mark McCutcheon,
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Their is no magic force called gravity instead we are all expanding. Everything. And when you jump off the balcony you are not being pulled by this mysterious force down to your probabable death. Instead you are floating exactly like you would if you were in space and the earth is expanding so fast that it smacks you into applesauce, and then only at the end do you realize, DUHHH.
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Yes, the expanding earth theory. We have not read of it in these terms, though.
Posted by Winter234@comcast.net on 11/11/10 11:35 PM
The "Learned Hollywood Characterized Behavior Syndrome", LHCBS... is a threat to self identity. Quite a number of individuals stuck at various developmental levels as a result of input from contemporary transmission sources entering through the eyes and ears, to their unsuspecting brains....
Posted by Ol' Grey Ghost on 11/11/10 09:55 AM
I didn't train them as they were doing it when I got here. There was a legend of a Godzilla-sized one who would raid large delivery trucks to steal the product on board. We used to see pictures of the mayhem they caused on the TV...
That being said...
Child molesting is a crime (defined below), and sometimes is even illegal (defined below), that is either committed against the child's parent (the "owner" of this property) or the child if of enough age to be considered the mature and rightful owner of his/her own body. Libertarians, even those with an anarchist bent like myself, never condone anything being done to a person without their effective consent.
Crime " any act whereby a person intentionally and knowingly causes direct and measurable harm or loss to another person without the effective consent of the second party.
Illegal " any activity, circumstances, conditions, or situations that have been declared prohibited by a person or group of persons claiming to have, and to which the majority of persons affected by the declaration acquiesce, the authority to do so.
Posted by TexanInSweden on 11/11/10 04:30 AM
I read 'Fingerprints of the Gods' back in high school in '94. Hancock is a very good investigator and I think he is definitely onto something. I havent read any of his works after that but will checkout his latest writings. It is interesting to hear that he is tying it together with today.
Posted by Jeannie Queenie on 11/11/10 01:24 AM
Am not sure if it's a sign of our bad economy and casinos like Mohegan Sun looking for new customers, but tonight I saw a new ad directed specifically to teens and twenty somethings. The ad conveyed a sense of gee-how-great it-is-to-be-at-Mohegan-Sun wasting our money on gambling.
When comparing between kids sitting and playing violent video games, or playing the slots at a casino, one cannot help but feel that these choices of entertainment leave a lot to be desired.
Later this evening on the news I then viewed a segment on some warped whacko selling instructions on how best to be a pedophile, using Click to view link as the platform for his particular brand of mental illness. Of course, there was a public outcry that Amazon allowed this crap to be touted on its website. Yes, yes, I know DB, I hear the 'free market' mantra singing in the background. But if the victim turns out to be your kid, what do you do with a nutjob of a monster making money instructing other perverts how to wrangle your kid into his sickness, I wonder if you'd agree to a perv's right to wage wicked wishes on your offspring.
An MIT professor debunks 8 myths on kids and violent games at this site.
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When you know that the average kid in the US is subjected to an ersatz education, has two parents working, sits in front of a tube or with remote in hand with violent games, what do you expect will happen? That the supposed adult men of said culture spend more money on pornograpy than all US schooling, K " 12 and college and universities, you know you have a sick situation.
You needn't be a shrink to know that when adults forfeit their minds to a neon god/tv or to phony sex via pornograpy, you have reached the bottom of the barrel. Such beer belly boys who don't want to grow up and become real men are hardly a model for boys to follow. I don't doubt that kids sense this immaturity and push their anger into violent games as a need to destress from their real feelings.
As Sharon states above, our culture has become so sad, and when low life is depicted as the norm, kids are deeply affected by this mediocrity and tend to follow the herd. Unfortunately all to often the herd are those who came out of the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's and who in unison decided long ago they just plain don't want to grow up. The result is we have now generations whose adolescence extends well into their 40's, 50's, and I've even witnessed sixty year olds still pretending to be teenagers.
With such a vacuum in our culture, not hard to see why the Islamics think they can improve on the culture and bend us to their way of life.
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"Later this evening on the news I then viewed a segment on some warped whacko selling instructions on how best to be a pedophile, using Click to view link as the platform for his particular brand of mental illness. Of course, there was a public outcry that Amazon allowed this crap to be touted on its website. Yes, yes, I know DB, I hear the 'free market' mantra singing in the background. But if the victim turns out to be your kid, what do you do with a nutjob of a monster making money instructing other perverts how to wrangle your kid into his sickness, I wonder if you'd agree to a perv's right to wage wicked wishes on your offspring."
What are you talking about, Jeannie Queenie? Are you saying there are TV ads promoting the raping of little children and that libertarians support such things? What evidence do you have of this?
As far as Islam goes, it is a comparatively peaceful culture compared to the West that has fomented in the past 100 years two world wars and dozens of smaller ones plus hundreds if not thousands of global skirmishes and assassinations. Muslims have never dropped an atomic weapon to the best of our knowledge, nor have they threatened to use tactical nuclear weapons as has the US.
Posted by Zenbillionaire on 11/10/10 10:54 PM
@Ol' Grey Ghost
"I and the beer-swilling armadillos here in the Republic ..."
You trained armadillos to drink beer? How? This is important since I hate to drink alone and I only have my dog, a cat, some turkeys and a few horses. The horses all drink beer but I can't let them in the house and winter is approaching. The cat is hopeless and the dog only tried the stuff once, now she just looks pityingly at me whenever I ask her if she'd like a beer.
-- A Reformed Social Drinker
Posted by Zenbillionaire on 11/10/10 10:21 PM
All I can say about this article is "Hold on to your teeth Martha this is gonna be a big 'un"!
You've really covered some ground here, from anti-war media to alternative histories, with a side of global warming. Whew! I felt like I needed to strap in or something.
Your first point got me thinking about something but before I could work up a decent position to comment from I got whacked upside the head with AGW which mysteriously morphed into a conversation about a fellow named Hancock that I'd never even heard of, which is disquieting since I used to hang out on the web with notable underwater archeologist types who shall remain nameless for fear that they might somehow track me down and demand their gear back. It was, to say the least, enlightening. I've put Mr. Hancock's book on my Christmas list.
I think the important part about the war games is they don't always have an obvious morality. Who are the enemies in these games? What ideals are represented? You mention that many of the games end in the complete destruction of the world? That worries me.
Violence should always be avoided, but when it's used it should be for a well understood purpose. If that purpose is missing, the games become pornographic celebrations of conquest and I would agree that they should be discouraged. There is a difference between the story of Parcival and one about jest plain killin' stuff.
Well enough of that. Very good article.
Posted by Acudoc on 11/10/10 08:53 PM
Sometimes you have to step back and look at things to understand them close up. Marshall McLuhan's well known phrase "the medium is the message" applies here. Forget the story line, forget the characters, forget the graphics. Look at the rapid-fire delivery system, the mind-synching presentation of imagery. What is that doing?
Walking in my neighborhood last night, I noticed the flicker of TV sets from behind partially-closed blinds. Juxtaposing my organic walk with the mechanical and repetitive flashing of imagery told me the whole story: we are under a mind-control attack and the technology is having an effect quite apart from the content.
Posted by Sharon on 11/10/10 07:42 PM
As a mother of 11 children, 48grandchildren and 18 greatgrandchildren I can tell you this. I have watched the generations of children grow up with all the latest tecnologies. The Dr. Spock "don't spank the child" advice etc. I grew up without Tv. I have experienced the rotting of the childrens minds by so called experts.
We have produced a sad species of humankind with for the kids games junk. Any one with any intelligence at all can just look at what we have produced within the last 50 years or so and see that it is not good. We have produced a couple of generations of young people who are godless and cruel. They care about nothing but sex, money and power. The very sensetive ones commit sucide or get on drugs. Where are you coming from people?
Posted by Bill Ross on 11/10/10 06:00 PM
DB: "That knowledge, too, he claims has been lost, bringing down the great tragedy of humanity's current difficulties"
Not lost, suppressed / subverted. THINK about it:
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Posted by John Blenkins on 11/10/10 05:22 PM
" A Pandora's box of information (from the elite's point of view)to the world". If this is true ? What next? See what you think!
Chinese EMP Attack Prompts US Missile Strike After Cruise Ship Crippled
By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers
A new report circulating in the Kremlin today prepared for Prime Minister Putin by Director Anatoly Perminov of the Russian Federal Space Agency states that an Arkon-1 military satellite monitoring the western coastal regions of North America detected an "EMP anomalous event" occurring on November 8th at 0600 Pacific Standard Time (-8 hours GMT) that bore the "direct signature" of a YJ-62 subsonic anti-ship missile fired from a Chinese People's Liberation Navy Type 041 submarine (NATO code name Yuan-Class) [photo 2nd left] known to be patrolling approximately 200 kilometers off United States coast.
Nearly 11 hours after this EMP "event", this report further says, Arkon-1 then detected a BGM-109 (Tomahawk) subsonic cruise missile launched from a US Navy Ohio-Class submarine operating off the coast of California [photo bottom left] on a "training mission" from its home port located at US Navy's Kitsap Base in Washington State and was enroute to the largest American Naval Base on the US west coast in San Diego, California.
Note: A Russian military intelligence (GRU) addendum to this report states that the "training mission" the Ohio-Class submarine was on is related to a new US law passed this year allowing for the first time in history for women to serve on US Navy subs and was an "operational exercise" testing female Naval Officers competence prior to their first "operational deployment".
The "immediate effect" of the Chinese Navy's firing of their EMP missile, this report continues, was the "catastrophic crippling" of the US based cruise ship Carnival Splendor [photo 3rd left] that stranded its nearly 4,500 passengers and crew in a "dead in the water" boat and prompting the Americans to send the US Navy's Ronald Reagan aircraft carrier, warplanes, and supply aircraft to protect it from further attack after all of its electronic systems were destroyed.
An electromagnetic pulse (EMP) such as was used upon the Carnival Splendor is a burst of electromagnetic radiation that causes rapidly changing electric fields (or magnetic fields) that when coupling with electrical/electronic systems produces damaging current and voltage surges destroying all non-hardened electrical systems.
The US Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC) had previously warned that American ships were vulnerable to such attacks with EMP Assessment Group Leader of Blaise Corbett stating that "the consequences of failing to take appropriate precautions to protect fleet mission critical systems can ultimately prove catastrophic to the Navy's mission."
The purpose of this Chinese EMP upon an American ship, this report says, was twofold: 1.) A test of the EMP weapon itself that in a war against the Americans and would be used against their Naval Fleet and Marine Forces operating out of California and the west coast of the US, and 2.) A test of the response time for American retaliatory measures against any Chinese warship attacking the US and/or its interests in the Pacific.
The GRU further states that the timing of this attack was timed even more crucially due to China's testing of America's response time during a period when their President, as Commander In Chief of all US Military Forces, was out of the country, as Obama was as he was in India at the time.
The Americans response time of nearly 11 hours between the EMP attack on the Carnival Splendor and the US retaliatory strike, the GRU states, "virtually assured" that the Chinese submarine responsible for the attack escaped, but which they further point out may have been intended by the Americans so as not to escalate this crisis.
To the geo-political reason(s) for a Communist Chinese attack upon the Americans just days before the crucially important G-20 Summit in South Korea, which both President's Hu and Obama will be attending, this report says was due to the United States, in essence, declaring total economic war upon the rest of the world by its printing of nearly $1 Trillion US Dollars in order to monetize its staggering debt and that China warned:
"If the United States can increase the volume of dollars and it can transmit inflation to other countries to lessen the pressure of debt, then it will bring about a catastrophic influence on the world."
Typical of the United States propaganda media organs in telling their citizens about the true events relating to this crisis, it as if they have put themselves in total Cold War mode reminiscent of the 1940's to the late 1980's when they, likewise, failed to inform them of the many incidents or US Soldier deaths related to that conflict.
Most dangerous about the American people not being informed of the true and tragic state of our world today is their not being able to prepare for the much larger conflicts to come, especially in light of China's Communists vowing that they won't go down without a fight. A fight, mind you, that now appears not only a sure thing, but imminent.
© November 10, 2010 EU and US all rights reserved. Permission to use this report in its entirety is granted under the condition it is linked back to its original source at Click to view link.
[Ed. Note: Western governments and their intelligence services actively campaign against the information found in these reports so as not to alarm their citizens about the many catastrophic Earth changes and events to come, a stance that the Sisters of Sorcha Faal strongly disagrees with in believing that it is every human beings right to know the truth. Due to our missions conflicts with that of those governments, the responses of their 'agents' against us has been a longstanding misinformation/misdirection campaign designed to discredit and which is addressed in the report "Who Is Sorcha Faal?".]
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Posted by Ol' Grey Ghost on 11/10/10 04:37 PM
Q. "We understand there are submerged structures off the coast of Egypt, but I don't understand how this all rises to the level that some super civilization must have existed in prehistoric times. If they were so smart, why would the evidence of their being be so insubstantial?"
A. The passage of time.
If there were no humans to continue the maintenance, within a 1,000 years it would take some deep archeological excavation to prove that New York City ever existed and in another 5,000 years the whole city would become a close gathering of earthly mounds. Throw in the earth-scouring powers of some Ice Age glaciers and even that might not be there.
Though a speck in geological time, Man and man-like creatures have been on this planet far longer than the time it took Man to reach the current pinnacle of technology and civilization – roughly the last 10,000 years – we enjoy and employ in our daily lives today. There is plenty of time for all this activity to have repeated itself several times over.
With that we have the legends and myths of gods or enlightened beings coming from the sky to teach the more primitive peoples such survival necessities like agricultural and the marking of time using the night sky. Where Van Daniken drops this at the feet of space aliens, I and the beer-swilling armadillos here in the Republic (I can't and don't speak for the Swiss Elves) believe in a more terrestrial source such as a group of academics capable of using aircraft (think Noah's Ark combined with the Hindenburg) traveling the planet to share their knowledge.
We have several stories from the oldest cultures in our civilized world that speak of different "ages" or "times" in Man's history. These could be reference to other civilizations that our ancients slightly remembered of their ancients. Of course, it is within the nature of Man to exaggerate and embellish repetitions of old events and that is the reason they seem so fanciful to us today...
Posted by Danford Vander Ploeg on 11/10/10 04:30 PM
@DB: The idea of gravity being less is a really interesting one! You have links?
If you google "dinosaurs gravity" you will find lots of links, such as:
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As for how a change in gravity is possible, some contend that the Earth has increased in mass from the accretion of matter:
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However, the Electric Universe folk point out that there is an interrelation of electricity and gravity:
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As you probably know, particle accelerators have demonstrated that when you pump in a lot of electrical power, particles of matter increase in mass. Of course, the mainstream interpretation of this is that the increased mass is the result of velocity, per Einstein.
This little exercise demonstrates once again the power of the Internet in making ideas available.
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Posted by Claus Dettelbacher on 11/10/10 04:06 PM
Thanks for mentioning Hancock to an audience that probably reads his name for the first time. He is indeed one of the second (or third) generation of writers who promote 'alternative history' in a much more scientific way " but are still well readable. E. v. Daeniken had his point when he pointed out on a very simple " almost archetypical " level that something with the main paradigm in history is not right.
Now people like Hancock, Robert Temple, Michael Cremo, Walter Cruttenden and many others are adding substantial evidence. Many are bestselling authors who despite that cite correctly and use proper references and scientific tools.
As with the financial world and fiat currencies " science will change massively during the coming years. Human history and pre-history will play an important role in this change of collective consciousness.
The walls are crumbling...
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Thank you for reinforcing the message we are trying to offer in our no doubt fumbling way. The Internet is a modern day Gutenberg press and is opening a Pandora's Box of information (from the elite's point of view) to the world.
Who would think that the great revisions of archeological thinking would be taking place on Youtube, a popular channel that the elite envisions as a place to tell jokes and watch pop videos.
The trouble is as soon as Youtube starts to remove serious information, people become aware of it. They have done some removals via copyright - but it is very limited and they seem to have no clue as to how to go about removing the rest - everything from NASA Apollo moon debunking to the many short and long video presentations featuring information that serious researchers like Hancock are bringing to light.
Posted by Capn Mike on 11/10/10 03:51 PM
Rather far down the thread here from RBF's comment, but WHOA! I think RBF is on to something! Scroll up and check it out (re: Facebook).
My girlfriend and ALL her buddies and family spend WAY too much of there time plastering the cyberverse with INTIMATE details of their lives.
I told them:' NEVER mention my real name on any of these or I will sever the relationship right now' I've spent a lot of time., distance, and money to protect my privacy. It could all be blown to pieces with one careless upload. Google has sold out to the PE, of COURSE Facebook will too.
Posted by GWBramhall on 11/10/10 01:45 PM
We see on TV often enough stories of the Pyramids and the Greek
Parthenon that revel in how tolerances and exactitude of their
construction. We also note that the technology used in how the
Saturn rocket was made is largely lost and would have to be reinvented if we ever wanted to build another one.
We understand there are submerged structures off the coast of Egypt, but I don't understand how this all rises to the level that some super civilization must have existed in prehistoric times. If they were so smart, why would the evidence of their being be so insubstantial?
Anyway this whole theme seems to be just another one of your manufactured conspiracy theories. It is almost as if you are the elites trying to gain control of us! Cue in the music of the "Twilight Zone".
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And yet you return, GWBramhall ... Why not frequent sites run by the Amy Goodman crowd? Or the CIA asset called "Kos." Would you be more comfortable there?
Posted by Danford Vander Ploeg on 11/10/10 01:28 PM
DB, what's your opinion of the claim (based on microscopic analysis) that those massive blocks of stone in the pyramids are actually concrete cast in place?
Of course, if gravity were significantly less (based on the impossible size of some dinosours, cave paintings of galloping mastadons, etc.), lifting big rocks would also be easier.
Both theories seem more plausible than telekinesis.
As for airplanes in the Vedas, we know that concepts are usually imagined first, implemented successfully only later.
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DB, what's your opinion of the claim (based on microscopic analysis) that those massive blocks of stone in the pyramids are actually concrete cast in place?
Seems untrue as they have located many of the quarries.
The idea of gravity being less is a really interesting one! You have links?
Posted by Lila Rajiva on 11/10/10 01:08 PM
Larouchians (Tarpley, Engdahl etc.) puzzle me greatly.
From what I understand, FDR was under the strong influence of Harry Hopkins, an out-and-out communist..who was allowed to negotiate directly with Stalin.
And that is Larouchian "nationalism" that is going to protect people from international banking cabals?
Posted by Klaus Kaufmann, D.Sc. on 11/10/10 12:48 PM
DP: "expansive authoritarian solutions"
Witness the ridiculous ban on personal effects and household goods to the USA for 30 days. With their 'homeland security' fortress mentality, if they wished to create a depression, they couldn't go about it in a better way. Is this perhaps the drive " creating a DEPRESSION? Who benefits?
Posted by Alexander on 11/10/10 12:07 PM
Being slightly old and having played the original Wolfenstein on computers of yore, I vividly remember the first online first-person shooter experience -- Quake. A "noobs" survival time was counted in seconds. "Death and injury" was random and indiscriminate. Take-home was rather pacifistic.
Of course the whole console networks introduced "rankings", removing much of these annoyances -- virtually at least.