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Thursday, December 16, 2010 – by Staff Report

Human Sacrifice in Cancun: Then and Now ... A widely circulated photo showed Greenpeace's "aerostatics balloon" emblazoned with the message "Rescue the Climate" floating near the ancient Mayan pyramid temple in Chichen-Itza. As I look at it, it seems a fitting image for the United Nations' Climate Control Conference that began November 29 in Cancun, on the coast about one hundred twenty miles to the east. After all, Chichen-Itza was the center of Mayan Earth religion and of human sacrifice. Let me explain. According to a post on the New York Time's "Post Carbon" blog, when Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change, opened the conference, she began by invoking the ancient Mayan goddess Ixchel. Ixchel is the ancient Mayan moon goddess and also, in Figueres' words, "the goddess of reason, creativity and weaving." [But] it is a city of temples and sacrifice. – Cornwall Alliance

Dominant Social Theme: O, mighty, ancient empires. Hear our plea. Let us aspire to your greatness and realize the grandeur of your architecture!

Free-Market Analysis: The Cornwall Alliance, which apparently has something of a Western religious orientation, has presented an important point in the article excerpted above. The excessive worship of ancient empires, as embodied by Christiana Figueres invocation of the Mayan Ixchel, is part of a larger elite dominant social theme having to do with ongoing celebration of ancient authoritarian societies.

The point of celebrating these ancient nations (often despotic) – the Aztecs, Incans, Mayans, Romans or Egyptians – is apparently to impress upon people that the glories of civilization lie in its outward (architectural) accomplishments. We can point out the intellectual bankruptcy of this meme simply by making the point that had Hitler won his war Berlin would have been one of the architecturally grandest cities every built; and perhaps in a thousand years, a futuristic History Channel would have celebrated the "lost" glory of the Reich.

It is just ludicrous, in fact, to equate urban environments with civic greatness. Our elves are old enough to remember when archeologists considered the Incan and Aztec empires to the "bad" empires and the Mayan empire to be the "good" one. That's because there was no way of reading Mayan iconography and one of the original explorers of the lost Mayan cities made a persuasive case that the Mayan's were a peaceable people most interested in charting the passage of time as it was reflected in the stars. In fact, the Mayans were indeed obsessed with astronomy because various star formations anticipated human sacrifices.

Recent "breakthroughs" in how to interpret Mayan iconography have opened up a window into city-states that were always at war with each other and constantly on the lookout to capture prisoners for human sacrifice. When not enough blood was being spilled to water the crops, leaders would coat a piece of string with thorns and run it through their tongues or lips, letting the blood drop down onto sacred papers that were then burnt in an offering.

Blood, blood, blood. Really, it should have been obvious. What kind of archeologist looks at the great Mayan cities with their gigantic, precise avenues, vast palaces and enormous, lavish temples and assumes that this was a community of peace-loving star-gazers? Of course we could ask another question as well: When did you ever, dear reader, hear an archeologist specializing in one of these major, urban cultures refer to the "political economy" or attempt to chart the daily existence of the common man?

Turn on History Channel (one of the greatest offenders) and you may watch dozens of university-funded "experts" rave on about this or that dynasty and the intimate details of a given royalty. There is simply an assumption that because it is big – highly decorative and generally impressive – that it must be part of an "invaluable" cultural heritage. The Temples (Pyramids) of the Moon and Sun, for instance, are regularly raved about; but we wonder how a given narrator would feel standing at the top of brutally steep stairs just before the knife thrust down, sending his bloody body tumbling toward the savage crowd beneath.

There is of course the point to be made that we can judge these societies too harshly – that human sacrifice was a religious ritual designed to ensure the crops were watered and the larger community had food for the winter. But we think we may have some disagreements with this point of view as well. There is, in fact, just as good an argument to be made that the high priests and nobility of ancient cultures that practiced human sacrifice CHOSE these sorts of spiritual approaches because they allowed for maximum social control.

Certainly this was true of ancient Mayan and Aztec cultures. The cult of human sacrifice meant that each city-state was constantly on the prowl for neighboring warriors to capture. Warfare was perpetual – and then as now "war is the health of the state." The great, ensanguined temples and vast, ceremonial avenues were part and parcel of an embedded blood lust that was purposefully perpetuated by the elites of the day. Such city states must have grown to be increasingly uncomfortable places. Aztec inscriptions apparently tell of a time before the Spaniards arrived in which major Aztec cities sacrificed captives steadily for three days!

We have our own tiny fantasy when it comes to History Channel. How about an hour devoted to the "Greatness That Was Rome" that starts with the narrator peeling away the layers of civilization from the city itself to reveal the "seven hills" beneath. The narrator then explains that Rome, like so many major civilizations, got its start as a number of separate communities. It was the competition between the seven hills, then, that built the foundation for what would become the republic of Rome.

If an inhabitant of one of the hills was feeling oppressed by his government, he could up and leave – the narrator explains – travel to a neighboring settlement where he could pick up his life once again, still speaking the same language but presumably free of whatever had bothered him previously. As a result, the governments of these hill towns cultivated restraint and observed limits that became culturally ingrained. Later on, when the seven hills merged into "Rome," the habits of governmental rectitude remained; the traditions of limited governance were observed and Rome prospered for several hundred years (at least until it turned into an empire).

The narrator, in making these points, would observe that the true greatness of Rome was built on a foundation of limited government stemming from separate settlements where the same language was spoken. The narrator could even make the point that the same sort of foundations for greatness were laid in Greece via its city-states, the Italian Renaissance (via its city-states) and even "these united States," pre-Constitution. In every instance, it was competition between governments that allayed tyranny; in each instance consolidation eventually precipitated society's gradual ruin.

Conclusion: This is just a fantasy of course. In the real world, major archeological magazines and news programs, natter on about grand palaces and even grander temples, as if these sandstone or granite outcroppings were the evidence of a civilization's greatness. In fact, they are evidence of its decline, as was noted recently in a Bell editorial entitled "Will the Market Do What Western Leaders Cannot? You can read it here:

Will the Market Do What Western Leaders Cannot?

We are told that the Mayans and others abandoned their fabulous cities because of drought and other environmental factors. But it is just as likely that the sophisticated tribes that provided the labor finally tired of the incessant warfare and bloodletting of the day. Each city was, at times, a mini-nation, battling with all the others. After a point, perhaps, "civilization" became too much; the tributes became too much; the regulations became oppressive. Were the cities, then, simply abandoned ... their inhabitants refusing to support societies that demanded so much but gave so little in return? And where are the descendents of these tribes today? In fact, they still exist throughout South America, farming and worshipping as they always have; the vibrant survivors of great, but oppressive cultures. Yes, they have survived and life goes on. The markets work; people prosper. Only the cities have crumbled.




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  Posted by Danny B on 12/04/11 01:12 PM

Well, I seem to have come VERY late to the party. It seems that the Daily Bell is not aware of some very important facts. Here is a link speculating on the reason for human sacrifice by the Maya.

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It's ALL incorrect,,, BTW.

The movie Apocalypto was great for showing the civilizing influence of Christianity. This, is quite inaccurate. Hernan Cortes managed to kill 60 million Aztecs with cholera. A "cocktail" of Christianity and cholera is no great improvement.

The fact is that the Maya were different from all other new-world civilizations due to geography. The Maya, like the Inuit found that their only geographical niche was a terrible place to live.

The Yucatan peninsula is a raised-up seabed of almost pure limestone. It is so porous that there are NO rivers in the Yucatan. NONE, even though it is in the tropics.

The original wanderers who settled there had an extremely difficult time to survive.

The soil has NO NUTRIENTS. Imagine trying to raise crops in pure sand. Pure limestone is not much different. The VERY thin layers of organic soil only supported minimal vegetation.

Think of natural growth of society. The population centers gradually outgrew their food supply. This is all natural. It just happened faster to the Maya. They were hemmed in by the Aztecs and couldn't expand their area of cultivated land. So, naturally, they died of starvation and disease.

Then, they started the process all over again. After centuries of repetition, they came up with a solution that didn't involve the collapse of society. They instituted ritual warfare to kill off as many males as possible. This is the same strategy that America uses to control the population of deer.

Instead of killing their own population, they killed off their sister cities states' population. Ritual warfare was the perfect mechanism to avoid overpopulation. It may seem barbaric but, there is nothing civilized about collapse, disease and starvation.

Chose your poison.

I spent 10 years driving around every part of Mexico. This explanation is WELL known by the present day inhabitants of Mexico but, evidently ignored by the R.O.W.

The Greeks had the very best system for avoiding overpopulation. Greece too, has poor soil. By promoting homosexuality for young males, they were able to limit procreation in men who were not yet able to support offspring. They were unable to prohibit copulation so they did the next best thing. They limited reproduction.

When Greek men were of sufficient productive ability to support offspring, they switched off to heterosexual copulation. A very good mechanism for population control.

The British for a long period limited marriage to men who owned land. They were hoping to limit reproduction only to those who could support offspring.
Evidently, way too many non-landowners were reproducing. This motivated the

"Children's Crusades" as a means of dumping the extra children off at the coast of turkey.

The Mayan means of population control was no more barbaric than the European means. The Europeans had continual wars between various states to accomplish the same result.

Reply from The Daily Bell

Danny B., sorry we don't believe this. In our view, wars are waged for control and driven by elites. There are numerous JUSTIFICATIONS for war and population control may have been among them. But if you look at great empires, they ALL warred. They all fought among each other.

The indigenous SA empires were ESPECIALLY bloody. This was a CULTURAL issue in our view. Romans, Egyptians, Greeks ... on and on: War was a tool of control and power. Same in the Middle Ages.

The idea that the Greeks used homosexuality as population control is equally questionable. Procreation is a deep human instinct, driven by the woman as well as men. We have a hard time believing that because men had more than one approved sexual outlet during ancient times, the population was in reduced, even by a single percent.

  Posted by LibertyTreeBud on 12/19/10 04:28 PM

People if properly mind-controlled can and will adapt and embrace the kind of governing that requires displays of running blood and the slicing and dicing of fellow human beings with the pulling out of the still beating heart or other horrible things we know about with regards to that vile institution known to us as corrupted government force. People must protect their mind/consciousness from those who would control and exploit it.

  Posted by Kenn on 12/18/10 12:37 PM

These posts seem to indicate a trend that most believe the Ancient Empires were kind, knowledgeable, powerful and good. Any mention to the contrary seems to evoke cries for proof.

Interesting ... to me at least.

IMHO any Empire, ancient or current, marks the final stages of excessive government paranoia leading to a dehumanization process that relegates most, (even promoters), as enemies of the state.

Government, (a living functioning entity with strong survival instincts), is the first to notice civil discord and responds with draconian measures that only brings more discord and so on until that government is violently ejected.

The most amazing part of this scenario is that in the beginning only 6-10pc of the population object to the governments intrusive behavior while the rest seem content with the status quo. Americans and British seem the most docile even after warring with other tyrannical regimes for the same atrocities their government is committing at this time. Some actually promote this behavior.

One has to wonder...

  Posted by D on 12/17/10 02:48 PM

Well said! Funny how these self same people that point to the grand luxuries enjoyed by the nobility during the feudal era just sort of gloss over the horrible things done to peasants and merchants alike, who were largely uninvolved in their barbaric blood-letting. Only in a free-market, non-authoritarian society is the franchise spread far enough that more then a parasitic few enjoy its benefits. The very same intellectual laziness that appeals to oversimplification in politics is the reason for the emphasis on these failed Empires; the researcher seeks to ingratiate him or herself to the would-be elites and dictators of our own time.

  Posted by Tk on 12/17/10 09:04 AM

Very good and right on the money. History is nothing more than the wishes, desires, thoughts, and biases of the ruling class who force their will onto others in order to do their bidding and to glorify their existence.

  Posted by Gavin on 12/17/10 03:56 AM

@DB

Thanks for your response.

DB: 1. Those temples are blood-ritual temples. The stairs are steep and narrow so that the body could topple down, headless. Just like the Aztec temples.

- Are you sure the original purpose for building these temples was for blood-ritual ceremonies? Certainly in the declining days of the Mayan civilisation the temples were misused for that purpose but you'd need to come up with more evidence to convince me that the reason for steep and narrow stairs was so that bodies could topple down.

If you look at the first link I posted of Kukulcan pyramid (Chichen Itza) you can see that, although steep, the stairs are also quite wide in comparison to the top of the pyramid. I would suggest that the reason for Kukulcan's steepness and 9-stepped structure is connected with the calendar, which the Mayan's lives revolved around, and was not for the purpose of sacrifice, at least not at the time it was constructed. (Note: The average inclination of the Chichen Itza pyramid, 53 degrees, is roughly the same as the Great pyramid in Egypt, 51 degrees)

DB: 2. The whole point of our article was that the signature of great societies is NOT their grand, statist architecture, erected by force and slavery.

- Actually my post was not about architecture either. Basically I wanted to highlight the possibility that the PE and their minions are attempting to hide the earlier and more enlightened aspects of the Mayan civilisation for a reason. If this is true they would obviously try to manipulate the public's perception by focusing on misleading stuff like grand architecture or Hollywood fear-based 2012 movies. Everyone already knows about the human sacrifices but I think the calendar is a different story.

I put a link to that pyramid because I wanted to point out the serpent to show that the Mayans were not only advanced, they also had something to say. That is, the zig-zagging snake seen on that pyramid is symbolic of their long count calendar, which in turn may very well give some indication of a timeline for events happening Today with ever increasing speed.

As an example, I explained in a previous post how major empires through what is called the Great Cycle have risen in the first part of a 'Day' and then gone into decline in the latter half. Or the connection between the Gutenberg press and the invention of the PC/Internet happening at similar stages of two different levels of the pyramid. The development of communication technologies in between also corresponds well with the long count.

Most people these days use the Gregorian calendar which of course is based on the Earth/Moon cycles around the Sun. The Mayans also had this 365-day calendar and it was used for things like the harvest. But the long count and other calendars were much more important and were based on a 360 day cycle. Other major civilisations of the time and in various parts of the world also used some aspect of a 360 day calendar (though not to the same extent as the Maya), and it seems that all were in tune with some kind of universal time or energy.

Once the Spanish landed in the Americas it's highly probable that the Catholic Church wanted to hide this important knowledge from the masses and so they developed the Gregorian model which pretty much distorted everything.

DB: 3. The article was not about Mayan greatness – which was probably evident BEFORE the elite and the priesthood were able to manipulate society through "perpetual war for perpetual peace."

- See above.

DB: 4. In the initial phases of Mayan greatness, the cities would have co-existed peacefully. Competing city states probably helped create the great Mayan culture. But at some point, some city states began to dominate others in order to build an empire, etc. The doom of the Mayans was then inevitable. Maybe it took another 1,000 of bloodshed and war, but we would argue the REAL greatness of the Mayan society was before empire, before the temples and the sacrificial ball courts.

- I can't argue with that although I would question whether (all) the temples were built using force and slavery, as you suggested. Depends on the time they were built I suppose.

DB: 5. We would argue writing and art and iconography and farming and architecture were all developed BEFORE the empire. Yet inevitably it is EMPIRE that is featured on the History Channel, etc.

- Again, I agree. Perhaps Empire is featured to distract from a more beneficial legacy the earlier Mayans wanted to leave for future generations, as mentioned, and was developed, as you say, before empire.

6. There is a whole subsection of Youtube videos of Americans especially, going to Central America to commune with the magical spirits that hover around these Mayan temples of blood and death. It is incredible that these people pay thousands to travel to their destinations but do not do even attempt the faintest Internet investigation to find out the bloody reality of what they are celebrating.

- Yep, that's pretty dumb... and possibly dangerous.

7. Thank you for your insightful commentary. Obviously from the above you can see we agree with you on many points. But the article was not about the Mayan's greatness – but about how the Western mainstream media has celebrated, endlessly, their decline and fall.

- I think we basically agree but like I say, in the case of the Maya I think this is more than just about their greatness since their calendar apparently gives an indication (or timeline) of what's going on Now and I would speculate that the PE are aware of this. Obviously this is not everyone's cup of tea but I think it's good to keep an open mind, even about such obscure things.

It's interesting to me that the MSM and even the elite themselves continue to celebrate the gory, fearful or relatively mundane aspects of the Mayans. Why are they so persistent if it has no meaning for them?

  Posted by Nonplused on 12/17/10 12:55 AM

On the other hand, most societies end up with psychopaths in charge eventually, and some of them are perverts. So the desire to torture their enemies combined with the control aspect leads quite naturally down the road to blood sacrifice.

But the lust doesn't end there. I am guessing no virgin sacrificed through history to whatever God was still a virgin once the priests were done with her. But the best witness for the defence is of course a dead witness. Hence the now not-so-virginal sacrifice goes into the volcano without being interviewed as to the nature of how the priest "prepared her". Poor girl. Literally screwed on all three counts.

Fact is any position of unaccountable power invites abuse. Witness the Roman Catholic Church. But not just them, any preacher who can get himself a radio program and a large congregation seems to eventually do the same thing. Either they start diddling girls they shouldn't, or stealing money, or both. Politicians are even worse.

What Rome had going for it was that at one point they reduced the market value of diddling girls as low as it could go: common acceptance.

  Posted by Puck T. Smith on 12/16/10 08:18 PM

Not to be an old stick in the mud or anything, but:

"the same sort of foundations for greatness were laid in Greece via its nation-states"

Greek nation-states? Please tell me you meant city-states.

All that aside. Great piece. You guys rock.

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We have made the change.

  Posted by Sovereignjim on 12/16/10 06:34 PM

Aztec and Mayan cultures where at least 1,000 years behind Europe and 2,000 years behind China. Only idiots think that they are a BFD.

  Posted by Bill Ross on 12/16/10 05:45 PM

Some may be interested in how "human sacrifice" (method of rule by mystics) fits into the intellectual evolution of "methods of rule":

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  Posted by Michael Ponzani on 12/16/10 04:21 PM

This was really good. I feel human sacrifice was a "delayed" means of birth control. Too much population, not enough food--sacrifice!

  Posted by Philip Mccormack on 12/16/10 01:41 PM

The DB John Danforth,Bill Ross are what A J Nock referred to as the "REMNANTS" Happy Xmas. Philip

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Well, that is very kind. But given the Internet, Remnant is perhaps no longer applicable. Happy holidays to you too.

  Posted by j on 12/16/10 01:29 PM

Brilliant article, takes away the hot air of the so called "mayan prophesy, 2012" that has gripped the imagination of countless new age sites , this concept has also filtered into mainstream thought and expectation. i have observed no questioning as to what the cost for this "great" civilization had.

I totally agree with your view on the third reich, the demise of a civilization has been at its height of social oppressions. the sun starts to set at the zenith. Very well done ... great stuff.

  Posted by Klaus Kaufmann, D.Sc. on 12/16/10 01:16 PM

Can we not celebrate architectural achievements of past civilizations without infering that they were a great just society as well? I always marvel at ancient architecture, whether in Rome, Tikal, or Angkor Wat. I never thought that the societies that gave rise to these structures were to be admired. I always knew that they were barbaric in our eyes. And I'm not particularly advanced. I think we can grant people including archeologists the mind power to discriminate and differentiate the buildings from the people. The great art of a great artist does not reveal his personality at all. In fact, many great artists had awful personalities!

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Here is the difference: Art is not utile. It does not provide the wherewithal to slit your throat.

  Posted by Gavin on 12/16/10 12:08 PM

It's too bad you mostly focus on the negative aspect of the Maya, DB. The Mayan culture is very long and I believe that the blood sacrifices and warfare occurred mostly (or only?) in the latter and declining years of their civilisation.

In a previous article you mentioned the old Hindu texts and the possibility that humans had flying machines. Well, it seems that the Mesoamericans also had aircraft in ancient times. Makes sense I suppose. If they had flying machines in Asia, why not the American continent as well? That's not to say there weren't human sacrifices but it might be that the Mayans, Aztecs etc were far more advanced in earlier times than in the period your article suggests. Here is a link with pictures of what looks like an ancient model plane from that part of the world.

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[Snip] ... "Precolombian Airplane Models (...) Gold trinkets were found in an area covering Central America and coastal areas of South America, estimated to belong to a period between 500 and 800 CE, but since they are made from gold, accurate dating is impossible and based essentially on stratigraphy which may be deceptive. However, we can safely say that these gold objects are more than 1000 years old. (...) The structures just in front of the tail are strongly reminiscent of elevons (a combination of ailerons and elevators) with a slight forward curve, but they are attached to the fuselage, rather than the wings. In any case, they look more like airplane parts than like the claspers of a fish."

From the same web site there is a section on the Kukulcan pyramid at Chichen Itza. In the 4th picture down you can see a "snake" being projected on to the side of the pyramid by the Sun. This undulating shadow-light snake can only be seen during the equinoxes and is symbolic of the Mayan's 7 'Days' and 6 'Nights' of creation. Not bad for a bunch of blood thirsty natives.

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@DB -- "The point of celebrating these ancient nations (often despotic) ' the Aztecs, Incans, Mayans, Romans or Egyptians ' is apparently to impress upon people that the glories of civilization lie in its outward (architectural) accomplishments. We can point out the intellectual bankruptcy of this meme...."

I agree that it has nothing to do with outward accomplishments. Here is a story from the Sunday Times (Aug '03) of Tony Blair and his wife going to Mexico for some kind of "rebirthing ritual."

"(...) On holiday in Mexico a couple of summers back, the Blairs took part in an ancient Mayan/New Age rebirthing ritual in a pyramid "womb", praying to the four winds, screaming and smearing each other with mud and water melon. It all looks less like an unshakeable set of convictions than a promiscuous pick-'n-mix of pre and postmodern brands of spirituality."

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More about it here from the Edmonton Journal.

"The Blairs then moved around the outside of the pyramid, one facade at a time, praying first to the Mayan symbols of the sun and baby lizards, signifying spring and childhood. They then prayed to another wall, on which a bird was painted, representing adolescence, summer and freedom. One a third was a crab for maturity and autumn, and finally a serpent for winter and transformation."

(Ironically enough, the Blairs also said a prayer for world peace)

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The Mayans had 2 main "gods" (or cosmic forces). One was Quetzalcoatl (light) and the other was Teotihuacan (dark), ie; the cosmic drama of yin/yang. As mentioned before, each level of the 9 stepped pyramid is divided into 13 parts. The 7 "Days" on each level is when Quetzalcoatl rules (creation) while the 6 "Nights" is when Teotihuacan is dominant. There's much more but that's the basic gist of it.

It is said that the Mayan civilisation built their pyramids and developed their different calendars and other innovations during the time when Quetzalcoatl was prominent. Apparently their decline started when Teotihuacan (and the Dark priesthood) came to the fore from around the midpoint of what is called baktun 10. (Some time in the first 1000 years AD, I think.)

I'm speculating here but it wouldn't surprise me if Tony Blair and his wife et al were in Mexico to worship this dark force. You can be sure they weren't there for world peace. And perhaps the focus on ancient democracies and architecture, not to mention Hollywood's fear-based 2012 movies etc are not only promotions but also distractions from a more positive view the ancient Mayans had of creation, which they are supposed to have put down in the long count calendar.

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You write: "I believe that the blood sacrifices and warfare occurred mostly (or only?) in the latter and declining years of their civilisation."

1. Those temples are blood-ritual temples. The stairs are steep and narrow so that the body could topple down, headless. Just like the Aztec temples.

2. The whole point of our article was that the signature of great societies is NOT their grand, statist architecture, erected by force and slavery.

3. The article was not about Mayan greatness - which was probably evident BEFORE the elite and the priesthood were able to manipulate society through "perpetual war for perpetual peace."

4. In the initial phases of Mayan greatness, the cities would have co-existed peacefully. Competing city states probably helped create the great Mayan culture. But at some point, some city states began to dominate others in order to build an empire, etc. The doom of the Mayans was then inevitable. Maybe it took another 1,000 of bloodshed and war, but we would argue the REAL greatness of the Mayan society was before empire, before the temples and the sacrificial ball courts.

5. We would argue writing and art and iconography and farming and architecture were all developed BEFORE the empire. Yet inevitably it is EMPIRE that is featured on the History Channel, etc.

6. There is a whole subsection of Youtube videos of Americans especially, going to Central America to commune with the magical spirits that hover around these Mayan temples of blood and death. It is incredible that these people pay thousands to travel to their destinations but do not do even attempt the faintest Internet investigation to find out the bloody reality of what they are celebrating.

7. Thank you for your insightful commentary. Obviously from the above you can see we agree with you on many points. But the article was not about the Mayan's greatness - but about how the Western mainstream media has celebrated, endlessly, their decline and fall.

  Posted by Avatar on 12/16/10 12:06 PM

We can only speculate the Mayans are one time practiced human sacrifice. We can never be sure of its entire history and certainly this would not seem be logical for the time period that developed such an in depth understanding of the cosmos. We seem to be evolving but it is often one step forward two steps back and then five steps forward one step back etc.

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Many groups of people have performed human sacrifices as a way of pleasing or appeasing their gods. The Maya were no different in this regard. Inscribed stones bear witness to the Maya practice of human sacrifice. Precious feathers appear where blood would be expected coming from the wounds in some depictions of Maya human sacrifice ritual. Perhaps this symbolizes how valuable the life-giving fluid is to the gods. In the accompanying illustration [see larger image], instead of spurting blood, there are serpents.

The common method for human sacrifice seems to have been for the "ah nacom" (a functionary) to extract the heart quickly, while 4 people associated with Chac, the rain/lightning god, held the struggling victim's limbs. Human sacrifices seem to have been made, as well, with arrows, by flaying, decapitation, hurling from a precipice, and throwing the victim into a limestone sinkhole.

Warfare was one source of human sacrificial victims. It is thought that losers in the ballgames may also have sometimes been victims, and sacrifice appears to have been connected mainly with ballgames, festivals, and the assumption of power by a new king.

  Posted by Bill Ross on 12/16/10 10:39 AM

DB: "In every instance, it was competition between governments that allayed tyranny; in each instance consolidation eventually precipitated society's gradual ruin."

Don't stop there. It falsely leaves governments a rationale to exist. State the whole, general truth:

BR: "In every instance, it was free competition between individuals that allayed tyranny; in each instance consolidation to myopic groupthink and forcefully imposed hierarchy eventually precipitated society's gradual ruin."

THINK about it:

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And, so long as we falsely believe and act according to "our survival depends on someone else's non-survival", this is also how we act:

"society's gradual ruin is a profitable venture, to some"

Collective survival has very different requirements:

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  Posted by Bluebird on 12/16/10 10:27 AM

This is such a good article, Daily Bell. To say more would detract from it.

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Thanks.

  Posted by Nikolaus on 12/16/10 10:05 AM

Thx for the reassurance. Even the prussian king was somewhat tricked into accepting the "Kaiser role" by Bismark.

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The decline of Germany as a cultural and philosophical force can be directly traced to Bismarck's centralizing tendencies in our humble view.

  Posted by Nikolaus on 12/16/10 09:36 AM

"The narrator could even make the point that the same sort of foundations for greatness were laid in Greece via its nation-states, the Italian Renaissance (via its city-states) and even "these united States," pre-Constitution. In every instance, it was competition between governments that allayed tyranny; in each instance consolidation eventually precipitated society's gradual ruin."

The same may be true for the German empire. With the German empire came colonisation and world wars. Before its foundation, Germany is generally described as a "rag rug" of hundreds of small states. They were in competition to each other, for example, for musicians, who could choose the court they preferred. For example, Bach changed his "employer" several times, and Mozart moved from Salzburg to Vienna.

@Cat Writer

Come on, the DB has often pointed out that the EU is an Anglo-American project (though, of course, the Anglo-Saxon are a Germanic tribe, too, and many Americans have German roots). It's as always the detached political class. In a poll, the Germans would probably not have voted for the Euro or the Lissabon treaty.

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Your point about Germany is dead on. The greatness of Germany was its patchwork of tiny principalities - pre-Bismarck, the "great uniter."

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