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UFOs and NASA: The Meme Goes On

Tuesday, December 28, 2010 – by Staff Report

Like a bad penny that keeps showing up, UFOs have been around on a regular basis from antiquity through modern day. And as 2010 unfolded, the UFO mythology was alive and well. Famed British astrophysicist Stephen Hawking, the pope's astronomer, a high-ranking Italian politician and even the late Winston Churchill (according to recently unearthed documents) helped keep UFOs in the news. And sightings of unexplained flying objects came in from all over the world. – AOL News

Dominant Social Theme: It's all true – the UFOs are coming...even the experts say so.

Free-Market Analysis: This is a good UFO article. The idea, generally, in our view, is to sow confusion and provide elite authoritarian institutions with the opportunity to further emphasize their global roles. The fear factor, as AOL itself notes (without offering a larger explanation) was provided satisfactorily in 2010 by astrophysicist Stephen Hawking of England, who warned that extraterrestrial contact might not be satisfying or awe-inspiring but terribly dangerous.

Perhaps as a result, the AOL article continues the Czech Republic created "new guidelines" for dealing with potential alien contacts. Meanwhile, Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, governor of Russia's Buddhist republic, Kalmykia, went public with the news he had been subject to an alien abduction but had later becomes pals. Vatican astronomer Guy Consolmagno spoke of baptizing them. Italy's Mario Borghezio has lobbied the European Union to publish hitherto hidden UFO documents.

Former Air Force Capt. Robert Salas revealed in press conferences that UFOs had somehow interacted with nuclear missiles. Former Air Force Col. Charles Halt related similar stories. These reports where then buttressed by predictions that UFOs would show up in the skies of New York, which they duly did on the predicted day – though some claimed they were merely a flock of helium balloons. UFO sightings were also made that same day in Texas, Virginia and China.

Britain was not immune to UFO fever. "UFO drills" educated young pupils on how to deal with a potential UFO crash-landing. Meanwhile, the publication of certain post-World War II, hush-hush documents explain that Prime Minister Churchill was reluctant to release certain UFO files so as not to frighten the public.

The Unarius Academy of Science "reached out" to the Interplanetary Conclave of Light, "a holiday purportedly celebrated on 33 planets," according to AOL. And New Zealand officials released 2,000 pages of UFO documents going back 60 years. The UN made waves when it was reported that the powers-that-be were considering announcing an alien ambassador to coordinate earth's response to any visitation.

At the same time as the UFO meme was gathering steam, America's NASA space agency was embarked on what we saw as public relationships campaign designed to counteract the ever-swelling chorus of doubters who argue that NASA never landed men on the moon but only provided faked footage of the event. These doubters mustered an increasingly large array of arguments in 2010, everything from the impossibility of traveling through the Van Allen radiation belt to the difficulty generally of traveling 500,000 miles at a clip when the previous distance travelled amounted to nearer to 500 miles, pre-Apollo.

The Bell has written about the issue numerous times (once discovering it) because the anomalies are certainly startling. Begin with the oddness of NASA announcing it had lost the original footage of the Apollo moon landings – and then subsequently discovering it had not lost all the footage after all and releasing said footage in a digitally remastered version. Then there was the widely reported piece of petrified wood found among the "moon rocks" that spacemen had returned from the surface of the moon. NASA had no comment, nor any explanation.

There were issues raised once again about the amazing frequency of the photos taken by the astronauts – perhaps one picture every 30 seconds; and further arguments over whether the cameras themselves were capable of the feats ascribed to them. Youtube itself continues to fill up with videos purporting to analyze a variety of questionable issues regarding the moon walks, everything from false shadows to false photo angles. And as noted at the Bell, the initial press conference after the first moon landing featured Neil Armstrong surely ranks as one of the most bizarre spectacles ever committed to film.

For the Bell, the presentations of the aliens-among-us meme contrasted well with NASA's increasingly fervent rebuttals of man-on-the-moon skeptics. (Rebuttal-of-the-rebuttals now seemingly number a thousand items or more, a massive amount of point-by-point controversy for those following the debate.) While both of these issues might be considered frivolous to sober-minded people, they do tend to show how the Internet itself has changed the context of reporting on such events.

It is the Internet that allows us to put together 100 years of expanding reporting about UFOs. Much of it, as we have reported previously, seems to smack of orchestration. Could it be that the Anglo-American power elite, which uses fear-based promotions to generate increased global governance, intends to put alien contacts into the service of the New World Order?

On the flip-side, NASA's increasingly shrill insistence that the moon-landings took place is in keeping with larger government memes regarding the competence of government programs in general. Big science is heralded as the wave of the future and NASA – which apparently managed to put a man on the moon only a decade after John Kennedy enunciated the goal – is a prime example of a bureaucracy that exhibits the can-do spirit near and dear to American hearts.

Conclusion: It is perhaps ironic that the Internet has cast both these issues – NASA's moon landings and UFO contacts – in a new light. UFOs may never be scientifically proven (or not in this era); NASA's moon landings were supposed to have been science's ultimate 20th century success-story; yet in our view it is the Internet (never predicted by science fiction) that may prove to be the most profound achievement.




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  Posted by Clark on 01/22/11 02:40 AM

And then there's this:

"What seems to be happening is that the area of weather phenomena – the troposphere – seems to have been compressed by an expanding (or dropping) stratosphere and the stratosphere itself seems to have changed it's characteristics. THIS is VERY concerning! These are signs and symptoms, along with many others that we have chronicled on SOTT, that something very unusual is going on in our cosmic neighborhood because weather changes are taking place on other planets, too. I can guarantee you that they aren't doing "chemtrails" on Mars or Jupiter or Saturn..."

"Between August and September of 1958, the US Navy exploded three fission type nuclear bombs 480 km above the South Atlantic Ocean, in the part of the lower Van Allen Belt closest to the earth's surface. In addition, two hydrogen bombs were detonated 160 km over Johnston Island in the Pacific. The military called this "the biggest scientific experiment ever undertaken."...

These tests seriously disturbed the lower Van Allen Belt, substantially altering its shape and intensity. "In this experiment the inner Van Allen Belt will be practically destroyed for a period of time; particles from the Belt will be transported to the atmosphere. It is anticipated that the earth's magnetic field will be disturbed over long distances for several hours,...

NASA announced that as a consequence of the high altitude nuclear test of July 9th, a new radiation belt had been formed, stretching from a height of about 400 km to 1600 km...

...something is VERY wrong in our skies..."

Click to view link

She attempts to disprove chemtrails somewhat, but it seems that she does the opposite, because if this is true, woudln't the Masters of the Universe try to fix things using chemtrails?

If nothing else, this supports your meme that They have lost control of things.

  Posted by Clark on 01/12/11 02:10 AM

Here's to hoping your elves are honest.

Have you seen this, it seems to be a detailed study of application methods of geoengineering, i hope it doesn't suddenly disappear from the net:

An interesting Geoengineering Cost Analysis report prepared by Aurora Flight Sciences Corporation (Click to view linkrora.aero) of Cambridge Massachusetts for The University of Calgary:

Click to view link~keith/Misc/AuroraGeoReport.pdf

  Posted by William3 on 01/04/11 01:07 PM

Even though I worked as an engineer for a few years on the early stages of the Saturn V program, I find the argument that the moon landing was a hoax to be credible, for many reasons.

I always had some doubts about the amazing success of the moon landing, given an incredible array of technical challenges I saw that NASA faced early in the program. But it was difficult to refute any other possibility in those days, given the euphoria it brought to Americans. It's refreshing to have this hoax, if it is indeed so, exposed via the internet.

What's most important to me is that I am learning how susceptible I was then to believing the elite memes. The value of this awareness is that maybe my grandchildren will never have to personally undo socially programmed lies, as I have had to do, and will be able to live in a more truthful society.

Reply from The Daily Bell

Thank you, William. We will not make a definitive judgment, but when we really started looking into it and the plethora of information on Youtube and elsewhere, our little elvish minds were thoroughly "blown." And continue to be.

  Posted by Cal Engime on 01/02/11 01:36 PM

I started out writing a point-by-point rebuttal, but none of it really matters: the Soviet Union and multiple independent observatories around the world tracked the Apollo missions and were able to provide independent confirmation of events. Scientists WATCHED the astronauts go to the Moon, and if they were lying, that's even more people who are in on the conspiracy.

And independent observatories continue to use the retroreflectors left by the Apollo astronauts on the Moon for the ongoing Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment. The Japanese Aerospace Exploration Agency's SELENE probe photographed terrain that looks exactly like a spot that was photographed by the Apollo 15 astronauts, as well as the Apollo 15 landing site. If there is a conspiracy, it is a truly massive international conspiracy that has put more work into faking the Moon landings than it would have been to actually do them.

The simple explanation for the anomalies is that your impossibilities are not really impossible, and you should be as skeptical of conspiracy theorists as you are of the government.

Reply from The Daily Bell

Thank you for your courteous responses. We remain suspicious, of course, for the reasons enunciated above. But you make good points, patiently expressed and we certainly accept them in the spirit in which they are intended. The moon landing, as postulated by the powers-that-be would be a glorious episode in the life of an otherwise questionable bureaucracy and an indelibly courageous chapter in humankind's exploratory history. Yet even given all the other apparent anomalies, we have a hard time getting over NASA's "loss" of the original space tapes. Thanks again for making possible a sincere and hopefully instructive conversation.

  Posted by Cal Engime on 01/02/11 12:14 PM

I don't discourage anyone from taking a skeptical view, but here, the facts lead us to only one conclusion: between 1969 and 1972, NASA landed 12 men on the surface of the Moon, and they have lots of photographs that prove it. Having decisively proved what everybody already knew, we should turn our attention to serious problems.

Reply from The Daily Bell

Yes, the cameras worked flawlessly, the film never cracked in the vacuum and it has been estimated that photos were taken, on average, once every 30 second, an impossibility apparently given what else the astronauts had to do. The camera angles have been proven impossible in some cases and the shadowing as well. NASA response has been to proudly admit that it doctored some moon photos. The rest of course were likely lost and "reconstituted." How can anyone believe anything this corrupt organization and its spokespeople have to say? Perhaps men did arrive on the moon, blasted there by Nasa 1960s "technology." But Nasa itself certainly doesn't inspire confidence when it loses the initial video moon footage and then a year later suddenly rediscovers some of it - and releases the aforesaid footage digitally remixed and "enhanced." Sure it may all be coincidence, just like the pathologically insane news conference given by Neil Armstrong et. al. when they came back. Or maybe there is a simpler explanation for all the anomalies ...

  Posted by Cal Engime on 01/02/11 11:49 AM

By this point, no educated person should really think that the Moon landings may have been an elaborate hoax. There is not a shred of evidence for it. The fanatics just repeat the same tired, easily debunked arguments over and over as dogma, the way Kennedy assassination nuts take it as an article of faith that it's impossible to fire three shots that quickly with a bolt action rifle, or birthers will discount any copy of Barack Obama's birth certificate as a forgery.

Watch the dust thrown up by the wheels of the lunar rover: it goes up and then comes right back down in a perfect parabolic arc. If this had been filmed on Earth, the dust would have billowed up around the wheel and floated over the surface. It would have been impossible to fake this shot unless NASA had a very large set with all the air removed. The same goes for the shot of Dave Scott dropping a hammer and a feather, which fall to the ground at the same rate.

Here's another thing: if the Moon landings were faked, why do the photos of the Earth allegedly taken from the Moon match the photos that have since been taken by satellites? Nobody knew for sure what the Earth would look like from space. Look at how pale it appears in 2001: A Space Odyssey.

If the Moon landings were faked, how many people had to be involved, and why haven't they talked? A lot of engineers and factory workers were going to work from 9 to 5 every day, and they seem to think that they were working to send men to the Moon. Where are the cameramen, the lighting crew, the set designers? Where are the men who controlled the wires so astronauts could move in ways that would be very unnatural on Earth? I was recently on the set of a small independent film, and I remember there being a director, an assistant director, an art director, a cameraman, two guys to record the sound, four actors, and the director's girlfriend. It takes a lot of people to make a movie, especially a great elaborate production like a fake Moon landing, and after 40 years, it has yet to show up on anybody's resume.

There is NOTHING to back this up, nothing, and it's hard to take a site seriously if it reports this today as a newsworthy debate.

Reply from The Daily Bell

You make good points, though we have not seen these clips. But we have reported on the false justifications for central banking, operations Gladio, Mockingbird and Paperclip, along with endless serial wars that have no clear cause, funding of both the USSR and Germany prior to their emergence as authoritarian states, etc. Do you believe that bin Laden engineered the take down of the World Trade towers from a cave? Why haven't his elaborate caves been found? Given the amount of CIA and FBI trickery over the past 50 years, it is really hard to take seriously comments such as yours that discourage a skeptical view of Anglo American power and secrecy.

  Posted by Lock Piatt on 12/31/10 11:15 AM

Slow news day huh?

Reply from The Daily Bell

The idea that there is some doubt that humans landed on the moon in the 1960s does not strike us as a "slow news day."

  Posted by Archie1954 on 12/30/10 12:20 PM

I detect a certain amount of scepticism in this article and perhaps a smattering of conspiracy theory. I personally believe that UFOs are either from another dimension or from outer space. They are not from this earth! Too many peoples' experiences and too many sightings to believe otherwise.

  Posted by Heuristic on 12/29/10 07:40 PM

A video that is highly pertinent both to this thread and to this site:

Click to view link

He refers to the subject of his talk as "hacking" [in the sense of tinkering and reverse engineering] the topic of UFOs but a better label would be forensic memetics, which is a near enough description of what DB does.

  Posted by Clark on 12/29/10 06:01 PM

Not that I have a position either way, but some people here say that if aliens/demons visited they would have left microscopic evidence of some type or another. What is Morgellons?

  Posted by Archie1954 on 12/29/10 05:28 PM

I detect a certain amount of scepticism in this article and perhaps a smattering of conspiracy theory. I personally believe that UFOs are either from another dimension or from outer space. They are not from this earth! Too many peoples' experiences and too many sightings to believe otherwise.

  Posted by MetaCynic on 12/29/10 04:06 PM

It seems that UFO sightings are not only a modern phenomenon. They go back millennia. Here's a, perhaps, 7,000 year old wall painting in Uzbekistan

Click to view link

depicting what appears to be a flying saucer in the background leaving a vapor trail, a person dressed in a space suit in the middle ground and another one in a suit in the fore ground holding a grooved disk.

This site:

Click to view link

shows some ancient images and artifacts that depict what appear to be aircraft. The Egyptian hieroglyphic contains what amazingly appears to be the silhouette of a modern helicopter!

Stanton Friedman, a nuclear physicist who has spent decades studying the UFO phenomenon, claims that his colleagues are more likely to believe that ETs are among us than does the general population.

He argues vigorously that government and military denials of ET visits are outright lies. Friedman lectures widely and has published books on this topic. He is one of the few researchers who has visited all kinds of archives in order to document his claims.

Click to view link

  Posted by Archie1954 on 12/29/10 03:44 PM

I detect a certain amount of scepticism in this article and perhaps a smattering of conspiracy theory. I personally believe that UFOs are either from another dimension or from outer space. They are not from this earth! Too many peoples' experiences and too many sightings to believe otherwise.

  Posted by 4irw4y on 12/29/10 12:24 PM

"Captains log: Stardate ... is out there" --

Sounds scary. Definitely just for you and me.

  Posted by James Korman on 12/29/10 10:36 AM

Why is it that Astronomers that into the skys endlessly have never reported any UFO's?

  Posted by John Edwards on 12/29/10 09:41 AM

Captains log: Stardate 9/11/01.

The 'Infanticide' has accidentally encountered a rouge wormhole while coming out of warp speed. Unable to avoid being swept into it's gravity, we have been somehow transported back to 2001. The 11th of September to be exact. Mr Spook has just finished scanning the planet for signs of life.

Mr Spook: "Captain, my instruments are showing some odd readings.

Cpt Jerk: How so, Spook ?"

Mr Spook: "Well, as we know, we have been taken back to the beginning of the 21st century."

Cpt Jerk: "Yes."

Mr Spook: "History tells us that on this day two very large steel framed buildings and one not as large reinforced steel building fell down in their own footprints at free fall speed due to fires caused by high-jacked airliners being flown into the two larger ones, collateral damage causing the collapse of the other....." (Spook looks up to find the rest of the Bridge crew smirking and trying not to laugh. Spook just lifts an eyebrow and turns his gaze toward Captain Jerk, only finding that he has a rye smile on his face as well.)

Mr Spook: "Captain, has the crew been sharing a joke to which I am not a party ? If so, would you, or they, be so kind as to enlighten me."
(Jerk quickly tries to hide his amusement and straight-faced replies)

Cpt Jerk: "I don't think so Spook. Please, carry on." (Someone sniggers off screen. Jerk looks quickly in the direction of the snigger and it stops. Spook flinches at the snigger but chooses to ignore it and continues.)

Mr Spook: "As history tells us, on this day nineteen Arab disciples of Osama bin Laden high-jacked American commercial airliners and flew them into the World Trade Cent....."( Laughter bursts out of Mr Boo Hu and others as they almost fall off their chairs in mirth. Mr Spook, now genuinely perplexed at the others outburst, looks to the barely contained smile housed on Jerks face and asks.)

Mr Spook: "Captain, what has come over my colleagues that has made them so mirthful upon such a portentous moment in our worlds history ?"
(Cpt Jerk tries to regain control of his face and finally succeeds.)

Cpt Jerk (smiling): "Oh, them. Nothing to worry about Spook. Just a little relapse from that space virus that had infected the ship last week."
Mr Spook: "Virus ! No one informed me that we had a virus on board, Captain ! As chief Science Officer on this vessel, I must protest in the strongest possible terms."

(Jerk cuts him off with a placating hand gesture.)

Cpt Jerk: "It was nothing Spook." (trying quickly to come up with an explanation) "Boner had the food spiked with it for some experiments on the crew and he didn't think it was important enough to tell you." (Spook, apparently finding the explanation plausible, doesn't notice the rest of the crew sniggering again)

Mr Spook: "To conclude Captain, 2976 people died on this day, and the future of the world was changed forever because of it."

(Jerk and the crew had become silent and serious)

Cpt Jerk: "Yes Spook, it was a tragic day, one that will be burned into our memories." (Jerk is quiet for a moment, then pipes up)

Cpt Jerk: "Mr Boo Hu ?"

Mr Boo Hu: "Yes, Captain ?"

Cpt Jerk: "Set our course for New York. We shall take this, er, opportunity, to witness this historic event for ourselves. Out of sight, of course, Mr Spook. Wouldn't want to affect future events, would we ?" (Jerk smiles at Spook who nods. Scene fades to black. Then opens on the scene of devastation of the just collapsed three towers.

Shot takes in scene for a moment for effect, then cuts abruptly to the bridge of the 'Infanticide' where all hell has broken loose as sirens and klaxon's fill the air with a dreadful din. Over the noise and general chaos in the Bridge Cpt. Jerk is heard yelling at an ensign who is looking everywhere but at the Captain.

Cpt Jerk: "How could you have pushed the wrong button, ensign ?!? Look what you've done !!! It's a smouldering WRECK down there ! @#&!" (Cpt Jerk bangs his fist and lets out some uncharacteristic expletives. Then gains some composure)

Cpt Jerk: "Mr Boo hu ?"

Mr Boo Hu: (crawling out from under his console) "Yes Captain ?"

Cpt Jerk: "I think a tactical retreat would be in order at this juncture, don't you think, Mr Boo Hu ?"

Mr Boo Hu: "Yes Captain. It's just like the time we got taken back to November, 1963 and.."(Jerk cuts him off.)

Cpt Jerk(quickly): "Never mind that. Just get us the @&%)# out of here, now!"

(Jerk drops back into his commanders chair with a sigh. Thinks for a moment then looks to a crew member)

Cpt Jerk to other crew member: "Tell Boner, I will be requiring his assistance in my quarters in about (pauses to look at his wrist watch) five minutes. And tell him to bring his medical bag with him." (Scene cuts as you see the elevator doors close on the Captains back as he hurries off the Bridge)

The truth is out there.

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Captains log: Stardate 9/11/01.

Mr Spook: "Captain, my instruments are showing some odd readings.

Cpt Jerk: How so, Spook ?"

Mr Spook: "Well, as we know, we have been taken back to the beginning of the 21st century."

Cpt Jerk: "Yes."

Mr Spook: "History tells us that on this day two very large steel framed buildings and one not as large reinforced steel building fell down in their own footprints at free fall speed due to fires caused by high-jacked airliners being flown into the two larger ones, collateral damage causing the collapse of the other....." (Spook looks up to find the rest of the Bridge crew smirking and trying not to laugh. Spook just lifts an eyebrow and turns his gaze toward Captain Jerk, only finding that he has a rye smile on his face as well.)

Mr Spook: "Captain, has the crew been sharing a joke to which I am not a party ? If so, would you, or they, be so kind as to enlighten me."
(Jerk quickly tries to hide his amusement and straight-faced replies)

Cpt Jerk: "I don't think so Spook. Please, carry on." (Someone sniggers off screen. Jerk looks quickly in the direction of the snigger and it stops. Spook flinches at the snigger but chooses to ignore it and continues.)

Mr Spook: "As history tells us, on this day nineteen Arab disciples of Osama bin Laden high-jacked American commercial airliners and flew them into the World Trade Cent....."( Laughter bursts out of Mr Boo Hu and others as they almost fall off their chairs in mirth. Mr Spook, now genuinely perplexed at the others outburst, looks to the barely contained smile housed on Jerks face and asks.)

Mr Spook: "Captain, what has come over my colleagues that has made them so mirthful upon such a portentous moment in our worlds history ?"
(Cpt Jerk tries to regain control of his face and finally succeeds.)

Cpt Jerk (smiling): "Oh, them. Nothing to worry about Spook. Just a little relapse from that space virus that had infected the ship last week."
Mr Spook: "Virus ! No one informed me that we had a virus on board, Captain ! As chief Science Officer on this vessel, I must protest in the strongest possible terms."

(Jerk cuts him off with a placating hand gesture.)

Cpt Jerk: "It was nothing Spook." (trying quickly to come up with an explanation) "Boner had the food spiked with it for some experiments on the crew and he didn't think it was important enough to tell you." (Spook, apparently finding the explanation plausible, doesn't notice the rest of the crew sniggering again)

Mr Spook: "To conclude Captain, 2976 people died on this day, and the future of the world was changed forever because of it."

(Jerk and the crew had become silent and serious)

Cpt Jerk: "Yes Spook, it was a tragic day, one that will be burned into our memories." (Jerk is quiet for a moment, then pipes up)

Cpt Jerk: "Mr Boo Hu ?"

Mr Boo Hu: "Yes, Captain ?"

Cpt Jerk: "Set our course for New York. We shall take this, er, opportunity, to witness this historic event for ourselves. Out of sight, of course, Mr Spook. Wouldn't want to affect future events, would we ?" (Jerk smiles at Spook who nods. Scene fades to black. Then opens on the scene of devastation of the just collapsed three towers.

Shot takes in scene for a moment for effect, then cuts abruptly to the bridge of the 'Infanticide' where all hell has broken loose as sirens and klaxon's fill the air with a dreadful din. Over the noise and general chaos in the Bridge Cpt. Jerk is heard yelling at an ensign who is looking everywhere but at the Captain.

Cpt Jerk: "How could you have pushed the wrong button, ensign ?!? Look what you've done !!! It's a smouldering WRECK down there ! @#&!" (Cpt Jerk bangs his fist and lets out some uncharacteristic expletives. Then gains some composure)

Cpt Jerk: "Mr Boo hu ?"

Mr Boo Hu: (crawling out from under his console) "Yes Captain ?"

Cpt Jerk: "I think a tactical retreat would be in order at this juncture, don't you think, Mr Boo Hu ?"

Mr Boo Hu: "Yes Captain. It's just like the time we got taken back to November, 1963 and.."(Jerk cuts him off.)

Cpt Jerk(quickly): "Never mind that. Just get us the @&%)# out of here, now!"

(Jerk drops back into his commanders chair with a sigh. Thinks for a moment then looks to a crew member)

Cpt Jerk to other crew member: "Tell Boner, I will be requiring his assistance in my quarters in about (pauses to look at his wrist watch) five minutes. And tell him to bring his medical bag with him." (Scene cuts as you see the elevator doors close on the Captains back as he hurries off the Bridge)

The truth is out there.

  Posted by Beforehollywood on 12/29/10 07:30 AM

Hi DB & thank's for 'William Cooper' link ,-contributor.

It's a Stunner & 'Behold a Pale Horse'-his book is Click to view linkbert bauvals' work on the 10500 bc Giza Pyramids is another piece of brilliance;it's on You-Tube.

  Posted by Heuristic on 12/29/10 05:02 AM

"And they are careful enough that even after visiting for thousands of years, they have apparently never once left behind an ashtray or other souvenir of undeniably extraterrestrial origin for us to examine."

Indeed. We are to suppose that it is impossible for us to get to The Moon and any claim that humans have done so must be a hoax but it is INEVITABLE that space aliens exist and have been visting us forever because, well, there are just so many stars out there!

  Posted by AmanfromMars on 12/29/10 04:40 AM

And this is what aliens see and experience ......

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Blind Apathy assisting Invisible Driver Systems Plug In for Virtual Reality Boot which will introduce into Great Game Plays, Bounteous Booty and Immaculate Conceived Supply......... Core Ore for Virtual Lode Nodes.

For Network Singularity, in a Plurality of Linking Stations, exploring the Greater Good Algorithms is the Field in AI Betas which most excites NEUKlearer HyperRadioProActive Vested and Vetted Investment Interests.

Is the following a fabulous fact and fantastic fiction .....

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To deny it when true launches a new power elite control system.

  Posted by Kriss on 12/29/10 04:34 AM

@George Sign

"Just a further thought. Articles in the Daily Bell are always thought provoking. One of the great difficulties that a logical mind has to overcome is accepted and ingrained certainties."

But you still "believe" with your logical mind, that what you hear, see, taste and touch, "the phenomenal world" is real?

Just as an example, lets go beyond the speed of light and have a look!!!! Now what does the logical mind say to "elite promotions". We can go into Scriptural Interpretation which is also beyond the logical mind.

This is not a challenge to "anyone" George, DB, or otherwise, just a mere question.

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