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Wednesday, December 29, 2010 – by Staff Report

European anarchists grow more violent, coordinated ... A loosely linked movement of European anarchists who want to bring down state and financial institutions is becoming more violent and coordinated after decades out of the spotlight, and may be responding to social tensions spawned by the continent's financial crisis, security experts say. Italian police said Tuesday that letter bombs were sent to three embassies in Rome by Italian anarchists in solidarity with jailed Greek anarchists, who had asked their comrades to organize and coordinate a global "revolutionary war." – AP News

Dominant Social Theme: Anarchists arise to topple democratically elected governments.

Free-Market Analysis: The hoary anarchist meme is being trotted out again. What we can see from the above article excerpt is that a firm link is to be drawn between anarchism and violence. This has happened before. The last time anarchists appeared to savage the West was around the turn of the 20th century – when regulatory democracy was under threat previously. Reading about anarchism, generally, on such sites as Wikipedia is enough to make one's head ache. The untruths are manifest; the manipulation seems obvious. It is a sub-dominant social theme of the power elite: fear those who wish to do without government (at least as it is currently constituted). They are lawless and apt to turn violent.

In fact, anarchism merely stands for absence of government. There is no violence involved, or certainly violence is not a necessary adjunct. Really, it should be easy to define what an anarchist is: But at Wikipedia in particular, one will find a plethora of mysterious definitions. There are libertarian socialists (who may espouse anarchism) and anarcho-syndicalists. Some anarchists, we are informed, believe in peaceful change; others believe in violence.

Yet anarchy is a social environment, one that simply seeks a lifestyle without a distant and non-responsive ruling class. It has nothing to do with violence, which is a strategy not an sociopolitical philosophy. One believes in various forms of social organization: communism, socialism, anarcho-capitalism. But one does not believe (as a communal structure) in violence or peace – or jumping jacks or cartwheels for that matter.

Thus, when the mainstream press writes about anarchism. It should make clear the differences between polity and strategy. The article excerpted above by AP begins "European anarchists grow more violent." The lead should be written as follows in our view: "Some masked individuals whom we claim are 'anarchists' are apparently growing more violent."

Of course, the whole point is to smear those who would live without government or at least make a case that one could do with less. If a tight link can be drawn between anarchy and violence, then those who wish to change certain fundamental elements of modern society – including its governance – can be more easily discredited by the powers-that-be. The argument could even be made that governments are inciting or even helping to instigate such violence through false-flag events. It's happened before.

Can society exist without the current regulatory democracy model of the West? A good case can be made that the current era of Western regulatory democracy is in fact anomalous. In the past, we've pointed out that human societies tended to less bigness in the past, and were in fact organized around clans and tribes, often interlinked. Human beings tend to have the ability to recognize and relate to about 150 people at the most, and this is evidence of a long-term, evolutionary lifestyle within extended families.

Seen in this context, human behavior takes on a different look. The controlling elements of social units, even within larger living arrangements, might be seen to function at a local level. Justice could be resolved between aggrieved parties using rational common law provisions. Business and trade could be conducted between individuals and families with corporate overlays. Even international commerce could be pursued privately using gold and silver as money.

Lacking the controlling force of a coercive or invasive government, such societies (as they existed in the past) were surely organized nonetheless. However, the organizing element of such "anarchistic" societies tended to be religious in nature as people who live in clans or tribes will substitute private enculturation for official control.

In fact, human civilization provides many examples of clans and tribes living in close proximity to one another without an over-arching central government. If local authorities prove too oppressive, people can migrate to other, local regions that speak the same language and continue their lives with little interruption. As such societies coalesce, government behaviors may remain modest because of the restraint exercised during these formative years. We can see the results in the vibrant societies of Rome (with its initial seven hills) Greece and Italy (with their city states) and of course America itself (with its 13 original colonies).

The societies mentioned above tended toward a strict morality to begin with. This can be seen from the lamentations of various Roman philosophers recalling the modesty and republican virtues of men and women before Rome turned into an empire. America had its Puritans; Italy had its Renaissance. In all these cases, it was not government that provided society's structural glue but the culture itself, using the free-market tools of spirituality, private commerce and cultural traditions.

It is no surprise that as the excesses of authority become more pervasive, private solutions yield. In America, the "Shaking Quakers" – Shakers – took in thousands of orphans because the Shaker religion forbade sex. But once orphanages became commonplace, the Shakers diminished as a religion and eventually were extinguished. Insurance companies in the West were once more vital too, but as government expands its safety net, private solutions begin to be reduced and those that remained often attempted some sort of government merger. Private watchdog groups are also reduced as government expands its role and function.

We can see from the above points that an argument can be made that private societies are perfectly capable of providing the essential building blocks of society. But as government expands, these private solutions tend to wither away. Anarcho-libertarians may wish to revive them, but how does that make such individuals and groups violent?

It could be said that regulatory democracy itself, with its emphasis on ever-increasing authoritarianism, projects a level of incipient and overt violence that anarchism neither aspires to or retains as part of its fundamental constitution. Again, anarchy is a lack of government; but that does not mean that anarchy involves a lack of ORDER. Nor does it mean that those who believe in private solutions to public problems want to implement them by force.

Conclusion: The Internet in particular is revealing these truths to a whole new generation that has grown up with the idea that only through pervasive government can society prosper. The powers-that-be are doubtless uncomfortable with these revelations. But anarchy is not lawless. It is in fact the way humans lived for millennia. And perhaps there are elements that will be adopted as the current system degrades (as it now seems to be doing) – whether or not the elite approves.




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  Posted by Mindy.j on 04/12/11 10:26 AM

ok,daily bell go ahead and walk around the bush and not answer my question(S).what's the point and making a statement without proof or reason?.insulting me and saying the same thing over and over again makes you believe that your doing something right.so high 5 and good job,so much for being mature and being OPENED to other ideas,oh and also,thanks for proving my point;) i can now go in peace.

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Good.

  Posted by Mindy.j on 04/11/11 09:57 PM

call it whatever you will but you still have not answer my question.what will anarchy solve? how will everyone be able to deal with it??.like i said it wouldn't work,you've proven that by going around the Click to view linkff said.

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OK, Mindy, without reading anything, without thinking any of these concepts through, merely by submitting the same nonsensical and badly punctuated feedbacks over and over again you must believe somehow that you are making cogent and undeniable points. Good for you. No one is forcing you to think otherwise. Go in peace.

  Posted by Mindy.j on 04/08/11 10:48 AM

wow that's so mature of Click to view linklling me ignorant because i believe differently from you.to make it even better i'm 10xs as so because i'm american,whatever country you're from i'm guessing it's not as great.face the facts,you people can't handle others with different views.america is screwed up in plenty of ways but considering how it could be like a lot of other places i'm grateful(so yes i'll cheer that on).and to top it all off you still haven't answer my questions.what would anarchy solve?? if your only going to be rude to TRY and get your point across then stop talking.but i was really interested and wanted a real answer but you can't give that to me without throwing a little fit.

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Nobody here is throwing a fit. You need to read some history and accept the problems that the Anglo-American power elite causes in the world. You keep insisting that America is good and anarchy is bad, but you know little about the true sociopolitical and economic system that runs the US and you know next-to-nothing about anarchy.

Anarchy is peaceful, self-regulating arrangement of orderly people living in an often highly spiritual or at least religious environment. The US itself was anarchical for several hundred years and Thomas Jefferson based the Declaration of Independence on quasi-anarchical precedents.

  Posted by Midy.j on 04/07/11 04:53 PM

then why complain??if the same thing would happen either way then why change? why try and get rid of what you guys would go a head and do?.you still didn't answer my question but why bother,you know the answer.just continue to write and talk about it the problem would come when you put your thoughts into action.BUT we all know that wouldn't happen,so i can sleep tight knowing that this is only that.TALK.

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You can sleep tight knowing your country is not being irradiated by depleted uranium and that you are not being taken away for interment and reeducation just yet.

But given your affection for law and order, perhaps you will urge Homeland Security (by your ignorance we would believe you are American) to continue its plans to round up those who are not aligned with the current authoritarian thinking.

As the camps are filled and the final curtain falls on the American republic, you can be thankful for the "law and order" you are so enamored of will give way no doubt to genocidal efficiency. The state will begin to kill those that it believes have not fallen in line with sufficient enthusiasm. You will cheer this on.

  Posted by Mindy.j on 04/07/11 02:19 PM

hey your words not mine.i'm so glad that this would never happen in the Click to view link's cool to have your own little debates about it and your secret little groups but we all know that's all it really is.the thought of anarchy is cute but it would just end in pure chaos.if the law of anarchy would to pass,what do you honestly think would happen?? just sit down and think what people would do with no rules and no laws.how would that work?.you should be careful for what you wish for,chances of it coming true are slim but i really think that if it were to happen you would probably be some of the very same people crying for some form of order or help.but we wouldn't know that until it happens and i'm betting a million dollars that it wouldn't.

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just sit down and think what people would do with no rules and no laws.how w

Hey, Mindy, the anarchists would probably overspend by US$200 trillion in total obligations, send soldiers to irradiate whole countries overseas and set up 16 separate domestic spy agencies to illegally wiretap and otherwise spy on American citizens. They would the same thing in Europe. Wouldn't be any different!

  Posted by Mindy.j on 04/05/11 02:53 PM

ahahah well everything that this article has written falls under the lines of stupidity,naive and self center thinking,but i'm i'm pretty sure that goes for most anarchists.yeah that sounds like fun ,get rid of the government ,live in harmony with everyone and there won't be a single Click to view linkee thinking and a free society is what everyone can handle.this would be okay if you lived in a made up world.i agree with iesha maybe anarchists should just get an island and live in their free thinkning,no law no rule life would work.i give them a year before they crack or before they become some twisted clut that spreads throught out the rest of the world.

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You prefer the current reality to such "unrealistic thinking," eh?

  Posted by Iesha Patterson on 04/01/11 10:36 AM

you wanted to know what people thought right?? the good and the bad,to say what they really feel and believe,correct?.their called opinions you asked for mine and i gave it,don't get all offended because I'm not sailing in your waters.if you let people comment on here just except and respect the fact that not everyone is going to agree with you.

  Posted by Iesha Patterson on 03/31/11 10:47 AM

yes i do think what we have is preferable.yes our government is full of self centered,money hungry,dishonorable apes but what other choices do we have??.anarchy? please tell me that is a joke,sure in some cases anarchy has worked but for the most part it has left people in fear,regret and hurt.

but in the end anarchists go right back to where they first started.with someone in control AGAIN!.when you think on it the idea of anarchy is nice but that's all it is a nice idea.

we need rules and regulations to protect us and others.in a place where anarchy is in control there is no one to keep you safe but you.that means anything goes-rape,murder,stealing,cheating etc.most people want some form of control.as for the anarchists perhaps they show move to an island and see how far their no rules and fun and the sun lifestyle gets them.

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Go away. Seriously. Go visit another site and make your silly presentation. Please go. We usually recommend the Democratic Underground to people like you.

  Posted by Iehsa Patterson on 03/29/11 05:02 PM

well that really did clear things up but still at the same time,no matter what would happen SOMEONE would come in control.always.that's way anarchy could never Click to view link's a nice thought at times but no that would never work.

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So what we have is preferable? If it "won't work" it's not worth trying?

  Posted by Okra_Winfrey on 01/24/11 07:35 AM

Be warned: Daily Bell censors legitimate comments.

The DB editors are intolerant of opinions different than their own, but claim to be freedom fighters.

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1. We don't know who you are.

2. We don't censor (government mostly "censor")

3. We never removed any comments by "Winfrey" that we know of.

4. We rarely remove comments, preferring to respond.

5. We are not "freedom fighters." The Daily Bell proposes free-market solutions to elite predatory mercantilism.

  Posted by Kronos on 01/20/11 04:39 PM

I'll give you your due, and name you cuckoo rather than koo-koo. This is the first time I have ever met someone that wanted to be called a bird, instead of a retard. Your logic displayed here is sheer genius. Keep up the good work, but don't quit your day job.

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Many of the Bell's readers are literate. The Bell is always glad to contribute to the literacy of those who are not.

  Posted by Kronos on 01/18/11 12:40 PM

In the real world, a group of anarchists are called a bunch of idiots with guns, who can't define what a government is or what the initiation of force doctrine truly is.

At best, libertarian boys and girls make up definitions on the fly. The initiation of force doctrine is subjectively nebulous, so that force could be something as simple as a slanderous remark, a fart in their presence, accidentally stepping onto their Les Nessman private land, complaining about them torturing an animal, or violating their airspace.

The list is endless, but only the sovereign koo-koo libertarian know what is the true list. However, they'll defend their nebulous rights with the power of their guns, if pushed far enough. Defending libertarian rights with force is a sovereign power, same as government power.

Do yourself a favor and stop calling yourself an anarchist, as you appear a lying fool, and refer to yourselves as you truly are: a weak and primitive local government.

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Koo-koo? Novel. You mean ... Cuckoo? The rest of your argument is similarly improvised. Your understanding free-market thinking, unfortunately, is no better than your spelling.

  Posted by OnewhofearsGod on 01/17/11 12:32 PM

"Yet anarchy is a social environment, one that simply seeks a lifestyle without a distant and non-responsive ruling class."

Anarchy is lawlessness. To believe that a life-style can exist absent right order, is wrong. It is characteristic of anti-christian thinking, not right thinking of God's way for a just society in a fallen world.

I confess of having possessed as a young man anti-christian thinking because my Lutheran church and public school preached and indoctrinated anti-christian thought. (Read Bonhoeffer's newest Biography and the insights of dangerous theological doctrine on "absolute authority" " Romans 13). There are two kinds of law: man's law and God's law. Anarchy could only work if sin was not the character of mankind and our Creator vanished. God is the alpha and omega. Man's foolishness is finite.

God is the ruling class. Ignore God Almighty and you will live under another ruling class, man, who will in various stages of individual or societal development exchange God's way with another way. The other way, apposite of God is always moving in direction of tyranny.
God created a world consisting of three governments: family, church and civil. The history of the world is essentially degrees of church-civil government cooperation seeking to control, subjugate and manage family government.

The Christian community has been long co-opted by this money-power elite. The vitriolic against "popery" in the middle ages through the founding of this nation was rooted in the fear of an alliance of those two forms of government assaulting the puritan (people seeking to live righteously).

The puritans sought life in right order with minimal statist and church government. This desire and form of government made it as far as 1860. Family government has been severely weakened, if not destroyed by law in this nation by 1900. No family in America has a "leader" or "head" that civil law recognizes. Hence, the ability for the state to steal children from the home and place them in their universal reeducation enslavement camps (public schools), and create a "working class" for the power elite is unlimited (absolute).

The war the power elite is waging is against any society or culture that is resistant to matriarchy. Matriarchal government, ancient Roman law for slaves, placed the "guardianship" or controlling property interest of children to women. Patriarchy is a form of family government of a "free" people.

Hence, we have Billary, a bull-dyke feminist leading world wars of the empire to crush the last societies on earth that are patriarchal in nature. Of course, these are not Christian, since it is not God's order that any head-of-household has any permission to assualt his wife or create Sharia law to suppress women.

In fact, making false claims about the Bible is the oldest power-elite game on earth. Serpents appearing as snakes in a tree have sought out the right party to begin negotiating and discussing a different "order" from day one. Man, of course, blamed God for giving him the women who ate the apple. We are a wretched sort, aren't we?

To be free is to live under Christ's right order, and right order begins in our own home (living righteously). Right Order of God's way in the community would be Austrian economics built on just weights and measures.

To grasp the limit of State Civil power: Read Thomas Cobbett's book, The Civil Magistrate's Power, 1652, republished by Sprinkle Publications.

To understand law, Read Brent Winter's "The Excellence of the Common Law" and Rushdoony's work, "THe Institutes of Biblical Law".

To understand where we might be headed; Read Click to view link

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Not sure about your definition, but thanks for the recommendation.

  Posted by Heuristic on 01/17/11 08:20 AM

Someone asked "What is a group of anarchists called?" Fully functioning human beings.

That is because nearly everyone, nearly all the time, is dealing with others in a voluntary manner. It is our default condition.

It is the occasional lapses of psychopathy known as statism that are the inhuman aberration, akin to plague and cancer. But plague went away and cancer will also be a thing of the past eventually.

  Posted by Andy on 01/17/11 05:35 AM

I just call myself a 'Rothbardian'. That usually foxes them.

Or, if I'm feeling particularly testy, a 'Hoppeian'. Strangely, that seems to provoke a more unconsciously hostile reaction, though I'm not sure why.

If I'm feeling provocative, I might say I believe in a 'Totally Voluntary Society'. When asked what this is, I'll say something like 'I believe in a society where nobody is allowed to make anyone else do what they don't want to do, and all relations and transactions between all people everywhere are totally voluntary and without compulsion and force is never necessary, except perhaps in self defence against those who would go round stealing and robbing from others or threatening physical violence.

I believe in a society in which everyone only does what they want to do, so long as it does not transgress the rights of others to enjoy peace, prosperity, and freedom, with regard to their lives, their liberty, and their property.'

Strangely, even the most dedicated statists, even tax officials, will nod in agreement with that, until they finally figure out what it means. At that point, their faces usually cloud over with violent anger over the way they have been 'hoodwinked', before stomping away, back to their happy statist lives.

  Posted by Confuchius on 01/09/11 01:41 PM

Gentlemen;

This is from Zerohedge exactly one year ago today. Has anyone read it, perchance?

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Thanks for the link...

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An American Coup D'etat " First World Nation Style

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How could Congress fund two wars for 7 years by emergency appropriation, meaning off budget, until the 2010 budget? How can they not even pass a budget for 2011? Why is it that the FED seems to have unlimited power and Congress appears to be led around by the scrotum? While nearly every President since Lincoln has attached a few 'signing statements to some bills, a constitutionally suspect 'Presidential prerogative at best, the number of these signing statements exploded under Bush and now Obama. Are these signing statements, which often essentially proclaim that the President doesn't agree with, need to follow or even enforce the Bill he's signing, considered fair game under COG and a sign of ultimate imperial power? And by imperial I don't mean Presidential ...

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  Posted by Peter J. Ritter on 01/05/11 03:31 AM

To William.
Governments and their string pullers are certainly not above dirty tricks like you mention. After all, they have a tyrannical system to maintain, and everything is fair in love and war.
But as you say, it is truly hard to tell, because some dissenters ARE violent, although in my estimation they are a small minority and could always be taken care on the local level. Unless there is a need to blow things up on the national level and the mass media. Guess who determines that.
That would make all other violent actions government sponsored in aid of some dirty purpose. Very plausible.
But even if we the people succeeded in abolishing these horror central governments, there would still be a great need for someone to enforce/protect contracts, liabilities and standards. Hope some anarchy promoters will address this point and come up with something that has a chance to meet the approval of most people.

  Posted by William3 on 01/04/11 02:05 PM

@DB " "The argument could even be made that governments are inciting or even helping to instigate such violence through false-flag events. It's happened before."

This is, in my view, the most difficult situation to detect, and counter. Are people genuinely protesting government misdeeds, or are they being provoked into action by mercenary groups set up by the CIA?

There is growing evidence in Mexico, for example, that paramilitary groups (trained by the CIA) are the true inciters of the violence in that country. Big Media claims that it is simply narcos fighting each other for drug trade route control. If so, why, less than 5 years ago, was there general "honor among thieves" agreement over these same trade routes, with even the government not objecting?

Something significant has caused this dramatic change in Mexico, but no one seems to recognize it. Of course, when local violence emerges, it gives the elite the excuse to increase control via military intervention -- the next step I expect to see on America's southern neighbor's land.

I applaud DB's effort to rescue a good word -- anarchy -- from being trashed in the dustbin of suppressive history. But the elite strategy of violence still resonates loudly, and may even be increasing.

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Wayne Madsen has written on this theme today.

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  Posted by Peter J. Ritter on 01/04/11 02:45 AM

DB to C Moore. You think the Bell is unrealistic and that you are not?

There is something like the Goldilocks philosophy. Too hot, too cold or just right. C Moore is definitely nearer to the just right than the DB in this case. So yes, he is more realistic.

  Posted by Peter J. Ritter on 01/04/11 02:20 AM

I'm suffering from overarching government as anyone pining for anarchy. But I'm not willing to jump from one bad system into another. While our current horror governments supply plenty of reason to wish to be free of them, we can't throw the baby out with the bath water.

We still need someone to enforce contracts and liabilities. Against builders or contractors of shoddy infra structure and buildings; suppliers of substandard medicines or any variety of products; banksters selling CDO's, etc. The list is endless, and at every corner lurk some crooks trying to abuse the system. No government and enforcement of standards would be heaven for them, and we would see an orgy of rip-offs and con jobs like never before.

While it appears easy to settle personal crimes in an anarchy or a "tribal" setting, anarchists have come up with very sparse information about handling big crimes in an integrated, modern world. While the dream of getting rid of bad government screwing the people is totally legitimate, we wouldn't want to end up with millions of private crooks and companies doing the same on an individual basis.

So lets hear something with hand and foot about that first before we jump into anarchy dreamland.

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