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How the Internet Makes False Flags More Difficult

Saturday, June 18, 2011 – by Anthony Wile

Anthony Wile

The "Internet Reformation" (as we call it) is a natural outgrowth of our perception that the 'Net itself is a kind of modern-day Gutenberg Press. It's a concept we've been writing about for nearly a decade. Initially, it seemed like an interesting theory, but everything keeps falling into place and the historical parallels are startling. What they seem to reveal is an upcoming electronically-based Renaissance of sorts.

This is of course not necessarily a popular view. The alternative Internet media is often relentlessly gloomy. One is bombarded daily with information about the 5,000-year-old evil of the Illuminati, the impossibility of stopping the New World Order, the invulnerability of the world's great banking families such as the Rothschilds and Rockefellers who are said to control tens or even hundreds of trillions.

And yet, look around. Despite the challenges, there is plenty of evidence of pushback. And why shouldn't this trend continue, no matter what counterattacks are made?

Look at history. The Catholic Church launched its Counter-Reformation but wasn't successful in stopping either Lutheranism or Protestantism. The elites of the day tried to license printing presses but were not successful. They tried to confiscate books as well. Finally, they tried war, but eventually had to declare a peace via the Treaty of Westphalia that established the modern nation state.

What was seemingly at work then, as now, is Marshall McLuhan's "hive mind." People may scoff at the concept of a hive mind, but humans are seemingly structured to seize on the most modern concepts as part of the struggle to survive and get ahead. The stale nostrums of the modern Dark Age – the 20th century – are giving way to a dawn of knowledge hitherto repressed by the power elite.

The discovery of the 10,000 year-old-city of Dwarka off the coast of India, the probable reality of a universe organized by electricity rather than gravity, the existence of abiotic oil generated by geological processes, the reality of vitamin therapy and naturopathy have all found popularity on the Internet – along with the free-market economics of Austrians such as Ludwig von Mises. Twenty years ago, such concepts and discoveries would not have been mentioned, generally, let alone circulated.

The Internet has begun to blow up power elite memes – the fear-based promotions by which the Anglo-American elites have sought to control society. Literally trillions of dollars have been thrown into an effort to create a network of political structures (UN, IMF, BIS, etc.), think tanks, educational facilities and popular media that can amplify these dominant social themes. Once they have become part of the public consciousness, authoritarian and globalist solutions are inevitably proposed. It looks like a natural process but in fact, it is an entirely artificial one.

The same process takes place as regards investing. Fear-based themes such as global warming are promoted with increasing fervor over years and decades. International political solutions are introduced along with corporate solutions. Companies large and small proclaim "green" solutions even though global warming has been massively discredited.

And the scale at which the Anglo-American power elite works is almost unfathomable, and the current conspiracy to create One World Government probably goes back at least 300 years. From bases in the City of London, the Vatican and Washington DC, seep deliberate promotions – often seemingly honed within the Tavistock Institute. A handful of great banking families along with their religious, corporate and military facilitators, go to work to waft them around the world.

Once the dominant social themes and sub themes are distributed via the controlled mainstream media, the UN and other internationalist institutions produce solutions that inevitably involve more control for the globalists at the expense of the world's unknowing citizenry.

There are vast sums of money to be made as well within this great game of mind control. Private companies are provided with "solutions" to the elite promotions of the day. These entities, controlled by the elites, funded by their hedge funds and private money, are gradually released onto the world's great exchanges.

Once the companies are public, cash is funneled back to its inevitable elite destination where the "wisemen" have vast seed positions at virtually no cost. The great families and their facilitators siphon off proceeds from their manipulations and invest the funds in more tangible assets such as real estate, oil and precious metals. The real estate is developed; the oil is marketed; the gold and silver finds its way back to Switzerland where it is stored in deep vaults and subject to off-the-books accounting by Switzerland's many private banks.

It is probably that simple. First they seed the fear, then they deliver the dreams, then they blow off their 8.5 x 11 pieces of paper into smaller pieces of paper (fiat money), then they quickly convert that devaluing paper into tangible assets. Central banks are the control hub that gives the elite this power through money creation. Mainstream media is complicit in aiding and abetting the entire societal wealth-draining process, which is cloaked under a statist religion we call "regulatory democracy."

This is the process that seems to have emerged painstakingly over the past century.The artificial business cycle itself helps consolidate this centralization. It is a work of virtual genius that has been elaborated on patiently over decades and centuries. Fortunately for the rest of the world, the Internet and its billions of bloggers and viewers has exposed every part of its operations. This is becoming a problem for the elites as the dollar reserve currency gradually collapses along with faith in individual securities investing to generate retirement income.

All these manipulations are increasingly exposed. How do I know? You're reading this article aren't you? And even those who do not read this article may read similar analyses elsewhere. The same thing happened once the Gutenberg Press was discovered. People read the bible for themselves in vulgate and began to realize that the current corrupt version of the Roman Catholic Church did not correspond to the Holy Word. The word spread; revolutions and regime changes began.

It's happening today for the same reasons. There were financial crises in Europe when the Gutenberg Press was expanding its influence. The financial crises combined with the explosion of information offered by books to create the Renaissance.

The elites of the day tried to manipulate the explosion of knowledge via the Reformation (to split the Catholic church) and by fomenting the French Revolution. But for several hundred years, nothing worked as it should. Secret history seems to show us that no matter what the elites of the day did, freedom and knowledge expanded.

We are still at the beginning of such a point of departure. The elites, having created a second, electronic printing press by mistake may now have to take a step back as they did before, 500 years ago. One can see knowledge spreading.  

Google's search engine provides us with literally tens of millions of cites for Mises, Hayek and free-market economics. There is a great hunger for information about free-markets and free-market thinking and the Internet has made it possible to satisfy that need.

It seems to have taken about 100 years for the Gutenberg Press to spark the Renaissance, the Reformation, the Enlightenment, the Glorious Revolution, the American Revolution, the French Revolution and numerous other social changes. The impact of the Gutenberg Press likely was responsible for a number of ill-defined "Peasant" wars as well, that raged across Europe for 30 years.

The wars were so numerous finally and so wide-ranging that the European leadership of the day had to convene a peace conference in Westphalia that lasted a full decade. Out of it emerged the concept of an inviolate nation state. No country had the right to attack another.

This Peace of Westphalia was deliberately overturned by the UN Security Council in 2005. Something called the Responsibility to Protect (R2P) was substituted in its place. R2P virtually demands that if a leadership is "threatening" it citizens, the big Western powers have an affirmative obligation to intervene. R2P has now embroiled the West in numerous major, military confrontations.

One of the ways that the elites responded to the advent of the Gutenberg Press was through war – and more war. Various low-key wars spread across the length and breadth of Europe. It didn't do much good, though. The Renaissance still happened. The Reformation spun out of control. British royalty was overthrown. The New World was discovered and populated. Freedom was rediscovered and the scientific method was introduced.

One can make a case (and we have) that this paradigm, exactly, is repeating itself. It may be true that an Internet false flag event is being planned by Western elites. War on a false enemy may be declared as a result – and laws passed to restrict the Internet and block the alternative media – all in an attempt to stop truth-telling. But while many who are predicting the demise of the Internet (as a facility for the free dispersal of knowledge), I don't.

There are signs of what is to come. The hacker group Lulzsec recently took down the CIA web site after attacking US Congress web facilities as well. Some have claimed Lulzsec is itself a front for US Intel agencies. Suspicions have been raised as well about the hacker group Anonymous. We reported the other day about CIA Director Leon Panetta, who said in a recent hearing that the US may soon face a cyber attack that would be the equivalent of Pearl Harbor. Alternative Internet websites increasingly have been filled with articles about potential false-flag events.

Over at Washington's Blog, for example, we find an article on false flags entitled, Are Hacker Attacks False Flag Attacks to Justify a Crackdown on the Internet? Washington relates how former Counter Terrorism Czar Richard Clarke told a leading expert on internet free speech, Stanford law professor Lawrence Lessig, that there was going to be an "i-9/11″, in other words, an electronic terrorist act, and an "i-Patriot Act" to crack down on freedoms on the Internet under the guise of protecting against such threats.

Washington, like many from the blogosphere, believes that like The Patriot Act, an i-Patriot Act is "sitting in the drawers of the Justice Department for the last 20 years waiting for the event where they would pull it out." This may well be the case. But there are still stubbornly lingering questions over 9/11, with many, according to surveys, apparently harboring suspicions that 9/11 itself constituted some sort of false flag operation intended to start wars and introduce even more authoritarianism into the US.

If one goes online and queries Google with "Internet false flag" nearly FOUR MILLION cites turn up. There is a good deal of consciousness within the alternative press at this point about such potential false flags. A false flag by definition is a secret manipulation. How can an Internet false flag be introduced logically when everybody knows about it and is expecting it?

There are many ways it can happen of course. But in fact, with secrecy all but undermined as regards these black ops, the Anglosphere elite that surely wishes to undermine the Internet Reformation is going to run into considerable pushback if it tries one of these operations. This is not to say it won't happen, only that it may not be nearly as effective as some are now predicting.

This article has tried to show that what is occurring today with respect to a major societal shift in understanding also happened 500 years ago with the advent of the Gutenberg Press. The parallels exist for anyone who wishes to scrutinize them and the affinity of the trend lines are being drawn realtime.

The elites of the day seemingly could not control the ramifications of the Gutenberg Press no matter what they tried to do, and they evidently tried everything from war, to licensing, to false flag events and social manipulation. It didn't matter; force never solves anything longer term. Indeed, "the pen is mightier than the sword." Now, nearly 600 years after Gutenberg's original invention of mass conversation, a "great shift" – Internet Reformation – has begun anew.

Of course, analyzing history in hindsight is a difficult occupation. Certainly people can come to a different conclusion, or even entirely reject this analysis as facile. But for me the parallels are clear. The Internet Reformation itself may prove a great deal more resilient than some now believe. The human hive mind is busy buzzing. The spread of knowledge – real knowledge – continues. The Dark Ages of the 20th century begin to lift and Dreamtime subsides. Information about free-markets continues to spread. Are these trends reversible? Don't think so.




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  Posted by channa on 06/27/11 12:10 AM

from DB
"Maybe. If one believes such things, it is more likely a way of planting the recognition that such events CAN occur. Thus they seem more believable when they do happen ... "

I agree. Something that just hit me this last week is how easily people pick up on "ques" that the MSM puts out. I thought it was repeat, repeat repeat...but my boss this last week said to me "The constitution needs to be re-written". He's from Scotland and has been here about 6 years. Coincidently, I ran into a CNN program where the guy was saying "The constitution needs to be re-written"...same exact words (the video was taken from a show that aired before my boss said this). He has said that he watches CNN and hates FOX.

So these subtle displays of showing off, by the PE makes sense. They do seem to have a knack for wanting to brag about their evil, although they know they can't do it openly, so they use subliminal messages.

Maybe...

  Posted by memehunter on 06/26/11 02:20 PM

Well, luckily it looks like Van Geest and company were wrong in the end.
Still, this attracted a huge amount of attention online (even in the English-speaking blogosphere over the last few days).

I still think that I learned a lot this week (i.e., clues showing evidence of foreknowledge of 9/11) and I will be more attentive in the future about the role that media such as movies and music may play in the elites' attempts to "condition" us.

But I have to agree with DB that it is probably extremely difficult to try to pinpoint the date and place of upcoming potential "false flags" events, and that these hypothetical "clues" in movies are easier to analyze in retrospect. Nevertheless, some of these videos were (and remain) strange in many respects, regardless of their exact meaning or significance.

  Posted by memehunter on 06/26/11 08:41 AM

Here is the complete reference to the book:

Wolfgang Eggert (2005), Erst Manhattan, Dann Berlin: Messianisten Netzwerke treiben zum Weltenende
[First Manhattan, then Berlin: Messianist networks pushing for the end of the world]

Here are some other titles from Eggert:
A three-volume series titled "Im Namen Gottes - Israels Geheimvatikan
als Vollstrecker biblischer Prophetie" [In the Name of God - Israel's secret Vatican as executor of the biblical propheties]

- Angriff der Falken: Die verschwiegene Rolle von Mossad und CIA
bei den Anschlägen vom 11. September [The attack of the falcon: the discreet role of Mossad and the CIA in the attacks of September 11]

- Die geplanten Seuchen AIDS, SARS und die militärische Genforschung [The planned epidemics of AIDS, SARS, and the military genetic research]

- London. Die Lizenz zum Töten: Die Verstrickung der Geheimdienste in den Terrorismus [London - The license to kill: the involvement of secret services in terrorism]. This one is apparently also available in English.


Sounds interesting. I will try to have a look...

  Posted by memehunter on 06/26/11 08:23 AM

DB, have you ever heard about German "conspiracy historian" Wolfgang Eggert?

Brief bio:
Eggert, who studied History and Politics at universities in Berlin and Munich, is the author of eight books on hidden history. He believes that all of modern history is influenced by a Cabalistic plot to fulfill Biblical Prophesy. However, he is careful to distinguish between the Lubavitchers and other Hasidim who think it is a crime to "force God's hand" and "hasten the redemption."

Here is an interview with Eggert (in English):

Click to view link

Intro to the interview:

Political expert and freelance journalist Wolfgang Eggert has written a series of highly interesting books on themes of compelling relevance today . Of his most recent: First Manhattan, then Berlin, Emmy Prize winner Saul Landau, professor at the California State Polytechnic University writes: Anyone who wants to know how extreme fundamentalism overlaps with current US policy should read this book.

One question in the interview I thought was particularly relevant to this thread (Note the title of the book: First Manhattan, then Berlin - I am not making this up!):

Your latest book "First Manhattan, then Berlin" claims that there is a risk of a successful terrorist attack in Germany.What is your evidence for this?

W.E.: As I already mentioned, I view Messianic networks as one of the driving forces of human history. Events occur, which are exclusively the work of these radical sects, one such event being the assassination of the Israeli head of State Rabin. It is possible for them to exert the strongest influence, particularly on the explosive situation in the Middle East, which they wish to escalate to the prophesied War of Armageddon. One of the vehicles used is Israel, where leading politicians like Benjamin Netanyahu, when they are facing far-reaching decisions, seek the advice of occult rabbis. On the other hand, in America, following in the wake of George W. Bush, fundamentalist Christians have taken over the White House. Every week, Apocalyptic Bible scholars are invited there and to the Pentagon, to hold bizarre meetings in which Biblical guidance on their daily tasks is given to politicians and military leaders. This dangerous vision of having been chosen by God has been current for a considerably longer time in influential circles of the British establishment. Many Masonic lodges, which are known to exert a strong influence on public life in the United Kingdom, are convinced that the omission of the Jews to lead the world to its revealed end came to a conclusion with the crucifixion of Jesus, and has passed on to the British.

  Posted by memehunter on 06/26/11 06:04 AM

For DB and any other readers still interested, I repost this (very brief and cursory) English summary of the lawsuit. this was already posted on this thread, but I thought I would repost it given DB's sudden interest in this issue (it's never too late...):

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"PEOPLE ! Let's help stop a possible false flag attack! Spread this truth!! A lawsuit against Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany was filed by attorney, Torsten van Geest on May 31, 2011. This lawsuit alleges that Merkel possesses knowledge of a possible false flag attack or mega-ritual event on Berlin's Olympic Stadium during the opening day of the Women's World Soccer Championship Games on 6/26/2011 and that she has not performed her primary duty of providing adequate protection to Germany and it's citizens.

The first part of the lawsuit attempts to establish a pattern thru thorough investigation and exposes what led up to the attacks on 9/11, how 'movies', television, and music foretold the attack via hidden messages, the probable agenda, the likely culprits, information regarding the 'drills' which 'coincidentally' mimicked the attacks, and much more.

It is of great concern that this same media is now foretelling of an attack on Berlin's Olympic Stadium, on June 26th, 2011, the opening day of these games. ( FYI: Germany will be playing Canada.) It is noteworthy that Merkel made a televised New Year's speech and quite oddly, chose that time to talk specifically about opening day of the Women's World Soccer Championship Games. Also, it is now known that an Anti-terror training/drill has been scheduled to occur on the same day in Berlin.

The lack of response to the attacks on 9/11 and 7/7 was later portrayed by the media as incompetence and/or unpreparedness. This has been used as justification by Governments for ushering in new laws for the purpose of bringing about police-state like security system(s). This is evidenced by loss of liberties and freedom for the people of both USA and Great Britain and other countries around the world. It is conceivable that WW3 could be an outcome if a false flag attack occurs in Berlin during these games, and probably 'IRAN will be blamed.

When I saw this information (provided in the links below) for the first time, I immediately thought about last summer when for FIRST TIME EVER almost everybody in the USA seemed to be watching the World Cup. At that time, I thought this might turn out to be significant, somehow. Then, I saw that the false flag threat is being directed at the women's games, and thought this might be even MORE significant, 'ritually speaking'. Please, take a few minutes and look over the information, and if you agree that this is something the people of the world might ought to be concerned and/or know about, then, make your best effort to pass it along so that it is as widely known as possible. It may be the only thing that we can do on order to help stave off an attack."

  Posted by memehunter on 06/26/11 04:03 AM

"one needs to either read the entire 400-page document produced by Van Geest (I did not read the entire document and focused mostly on the sections related to numerology and existing clues in the movies about 9/11 and 26/6):"

I mean to say that one needs to either read the 400-page document or watch the following videos. Sorry (you can amend my previous post if you wish).

  Posted by memehunter on 06/26/11 03:59 AM

"Maybe. If one believes such things, it is more likely a way of planting the recognition that such events CAN occur. Thus they seem more believable when they do happen ..."

He said that as well, actually. He mentioned a possible "conditioning" by the mainstream media and movies.

  Posted by memehunter on 06/26/11 03:57 AM

"PS: Memehunter, not everyone speaks German. In a sentence, then, if you wish, what are they worried about? Where do they believe this false flag is going to take place and what will be the result?"

I realize this. I have been doing my best to explain in this thread (see my numerous posts) - even though DB said I was getting lost in details...

According to Van Geest (this is mentioned specifically in his lawsuit), the false flag attack would happen around 7 PM on June 26, 2011, in the Olympic Stadium in Berlin during the FIFA Women's World Cup.

Now, as for the reasons why he (and others on the Internet) believe that a false flag would happen at this date, time, and place, one needs to either read the entire 400-page document produced by Van Geest (I did not read the entire document and focused mostly on the sections related to numerology and existing clues in the movies about 9/11 and 26/6):

- A lot has to do with numerology and Kabbalah (I am not in a position to explain this)
- The Mega Ritual 2011 videos (I linked to two of them on this thread and already gave a summary)
- analysis of Leonard Cohen's songs

About 26/6 and Berlin specifically:
- watch again the Simpsons' episode around 8 min. of the Mega Ritual 2011 video (again, I gave a link and an analysis on this thread) showing a nuclear explosion and claims of a "terrorist attack", with numerous explicit clues (clocks falling from the sky) as to the time of the explosion
- analysis of the promotional videos related to the FIFA Women's World Cup and other videos (Nike's Lira promotional video)
- There is a discussion of a German movie recently produced (Undercover love), with explicit images showing the explosion of the Olympic Stadium in Berlin, and less explicit clues as to the date (images showing the numbers 26, etc...)
- Leonard's Cohen song "First we take Manhattan ... then we take Berlin" is, again, at the center of this, as its title implies. Cohen himself said that this song was about terrorism in an backstage interview in 1988. One of the videos of Warnes' version shows the numbers 049 (phone code of Germany), while Joe Cocker's more recent rendition of the song shows in the video a house with the address "112" (emergency code in Germany, plus possibly a clue to the year to which the "then we take Berlin" part of the song refers).

Admittedly, the prediction part about 26/6 might not convince everyone and I think I was quite clear (if you see my feedbacks on this thread) that I was not convinced by everything. Yet, these people (I suppose Van Geest is not alone) have accumulated a sufficiently large amount of clues and other indications that "something is in the works". And obviously, the facts that there were numerous clues about 9/11 in the Hollywood movies in the 1990s and that it did happen suggest that this analytical method has some validity, even if not scientifically provable.

  Posted by memehunter on 06/26/11 03:38 AM

"Amazing. Can you translate? "

Thanks for your interest. Again, I am hoping that nothing happens, even if it means that I will have "wasted" a dozen hours this week. On the other hand, it was an interesting experience to find out about these 9/11 clues in Hollywood movies and to deconstruct Leonard Cohen's songs and videos.

Having said that, and assuming we should take this "false flag" warning seriously, I would suggest using Google Translator (Channa was able to read and apparently understand the gist of Van Geest's lawsuit using it, so it looks like it does a decent job).

Otherwise, a lot of the material on the website can already be found on this thread, with the links I provided to various videos, and the summaries I gave in some cases (I did not know about this website when I started, I had only found Van Geest's lawsuit and supportive document).

The website does analyze some additional material, including the promotional videos related to the FIFA Women's World Cup, and some discussions about the Kabbalah, etc...

My general impression (I did not peruse the entire website) is that the videos are mostly self-explanatory in that they rely on images and visual symbols (and several movie clips are in English anyway), so an understanding of German, while helpful, is not absolutely necessary to get the general idea.

The video with Van Geest himself was more interesting (to me, at least) because, as Channa suggested, we always like to know who stands behind all these documents, so it is nice to be able to put a face on the author.

The first few minutes address specifically issues related to the lawsuit itself. Importantly, Van Geest explicitly mentions that this false flag is "state terrorism" and that we should not blame Al-Qaeda. Eventually, Van Geest does put the "false flag" issue in a much larger perspective, especially in the second half of the 15-min. interview (discussions about Freemasonry, role of the mass media, etc...).

Interestingly, he suggests that one reason why the Elites show these clues in movies and videos is a display of power (basically showing it in movies and then "doing" it), a signal that they are in control and that it is useless to oppose them (around 12 min. in the video).

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Interestingly, he suggests that one reason why the Elites show these clues in movies and videos is a display of power (basically showing it in movies and then "doing" it), a signal that they are in control and that it is useless to oppose them (around 12 min. in the video).

Maybe. If one believes such things, it is more likely a way of planting the recognition that such events CAN occur. Thus they seem more believable when they do happen ...

  Posted by memehunter on 06/26/11 03:06 AM

A video interview with German lawyer Torsten Van Geest (recorded on June 25) about his claims of a "false flag" attack in Berlin on June 26:

Click to view link

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Thanks.

PS: Memehunter, not everyone speaks German. In a sentence, then, if you wish, what are they worried about? Where do they believe this false flag is going to take place and what will be the result?

  Posted by memehunter on 06/26/11 01:05 AM

An entire website devoted to the planned false flag on Berlin on June 26:

Click to view link

Many people seem to take this very seriously in Germany.

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Amazing. Can you translate?

  Posted by memehunter on 06/24/11 03:53 PM

Posted by channa on 06/24/11 03:48 PM
gosh, maybe someone should call the police in Germany or something. We are all going to feel pretty rotten if something does happen. On the other hand, we have to be cautious publishing every rumor, as then it becomes like the boy who called wolf.

I think quite a few people are aware of it in Germany. I don't know if there is much we can do about it though because it is just a rumor for now as you said. And if it is true and Van Geest is right, who knows if the police is not "in" on it? After all, he claims in his lawsuit that Merkel knows about it and does nothing.

Personally, I am just trying to make people aware of this information. I would also recommend not being in Berlin on June 26, just in case...

  Posted by channa on 06/24/11 03:49 PM

Posted by memehunter on 06/24/11 03:16 PM
Thanks for your interest, Channa. At least one reader who realizes that this might be worth finding about...

I am not sure what do you mean by hoax? Van Geest is real as far as I can tell (I even heard an interview on a German radio). The movie quotes and references to Leonard Cohen and Steve Jackson are real (anyone can verify them online).

If by hoax you mean that we have no evidence that he is right about June 26, then I agree with you. But I would not call that a hoax, just a wrong prediction. Is he trying to scare people? I do not think so. The guy wrote a 400-page document to support his lawsuit against Angela Merkel - some kind of hoax, eh?

DB seems to think that I am wasting my time, but evidently I (and many more on the Internet, as I found out) do not seem to think so.

gosh, maybe someone should call the police in Germany or something. We are all going to feel pretty rotten if something does happen. On the other hand, we have to be cautious publishing every rumor, as then it becomes like the boy who called wolf.

  Posted by channa on 06/24/11 03:48 PM

Posted by memehunter on 06/24/11 03:16 PM
Thanks for your interest, Channa. At least one reader who realizes that this might be worth finding about...

I am not sure what do you mean by hoax? Van Geest is real as far as I can tell (I even heard an interview on a German radio). The movie quotes and references to Leonard Cohen and Steve Jackson are real (anyone can verify them online).

If by hoax you mean that we have no evidence that he is right about June 26, then I agree with you. But I would not call that a hoax, just a wrong prediction. Is he trying to scare people? I do not think so. The guy wrote a 400-page document to support his lawsuit against Angela Merkel - some kind of hoax, eh?

DB seems to think that I am wasting my time, but evidently I (and many more on the Internet, as I found out) do not seem to think so.

gosh, maybe someone should call the police in Germany or something. We are all going to feel pretty rotten if something does happen. On the other hand, we have to be cautious publishing every rumor, as then it becomes like the boy who called wolf.

  Posted by memehunter on 06/24/11 03:16 PM

Posted by channa on 06/24/11 03:23 AM
I think your lead on the attorney in Germany is worth finding out more about, even if it is a hoax; if a hoax it is surely not funny. I have heard that symbols are used by the elites (no proof, though), but trying to find out where and how and what will only make everything look like one of their symbols. It would definitely be a crafty way of communicating. They would know that nobody could ever really be sure...

Thanks for your interest, Channa. At least one reader who realizes that this might be worth finding about...

I am not sure what do you mean by hoax? Van Geest is real as far as I can tell (I even heard an interview on a German radio). The movie quotes and references to Leonard Cohen and Steve Jackson are real (anyone can verify them online).

If by hoax you mean that we have no evidence that he is right about June 26, then I agree with you. But I would not call that a hoax, just a wrong prediction. Is he trying to scare people? I do not think so. The guy wrote a 400-page document to support his lawsuit against Angela Merkel - some kind of hoax, eh?

DB seems to think that I am wasting my time, but evidently I (and many more on the Internet, as I found out) do not seem to think so.

  Posted by channa on 06/24/11 03:23 AM

Posted by memehunter on 06/24/11 01:12 AM
"It was - and is - a huge operation. It has turned most of the leading media brands of US media into intelligence shills. They don't even bother to hide it. Top executives at such media giants as AOL come directly from the CIA."

In a way, this fits very well with the material I have linked to recently. Could it be that blockbuster movies are sometimes used to give some kind of advance warning to other aficionados? After all, the people who control the news media probably gravitate in the same circles as those who control Hollywood. Also, most people who are not "in" on the conspiracy would not pay attention or believe that clues could be given in movies.

I think your lead on the attorney in Germany is worth finding out more about, even if it is a hoax; if a hoax it is surely not funny. I have heard that symbols are used by the elites (no proof, though), but trying to find out where and how and what will only make everything look like one of their symbols. It would definitely be a crafty way of communicating. They would know that nobody could ever really be sure...

  Posted by channa on 06/24/11 03:16 AM

The bush conspiracy theory is just allegations. There was never any proof whatsoever supplied to the cowed population. I was one of the only people in this Nation that was questioning the whole thing immediately (and I didn't even have the internet then). People said that was crazy when I said that the Bush Admin was behind it. I didn't know at the time about the israeli/UK/Canada connection.

A guy that did maintenance for the place I worked at the time was a Christian fundamentalist. One day he was going off about Muslims and I said to him that the Bush admin did it. He started shaking and saying 'they killed 3000 of us, so we have the right to go and kill one million of them'. (boy, he did not know how prophetic his words were). Still shaking he said 'wouldn't you die for your country'. I said no, it was not worth dying for anymore. So he called me unpatriotic. I told him to get the #@*% out of the office. As he left I could see him out the window, his face all screwed up in a demonic twist with his little lips moving fast and eyes darting back and forth. The owner came running out wondering what was going on. I thought he was going to fire me, but when I told him what happened he was really glad! He said he never did like that guy.

Anyways, if there was a trial some of these elites would be facing treason charges. Treason, in the U.S. is punishable by death. I never believed in the death penalty but I changed my stance on it over the last 10 years.

They say, it costs Californians $300 Million dollars to execute one criminal. If it takes $300 million to put down each of these elites that did this crime, and someone asked me if I thought the price was worth it? I would say "Yes, I think the price is worth it".

  Posted by channa on 06/24/11 02:52 AM

Posted by channa on 06/24/11 02:50 AM
The reason the U.S. officials behind 9/11 can Sh*t in their own back yard is because they have no loyalty to any nation, let alone their own. Their are no borders or boundaries in these people's view. They are total Machiavellians.

The idea that people are constructing buildings that will self-destruct, demolition-fashion is going beyond reason....and then to construct them so the lower floors only are designed this way (designed occurrence)? Their are after all building codes, but more importantly the building came down in free fall. Any real investigation when dismiss such nonsense as "designed occurrence". You can design a free-fall demolition into a building. It is impossible. You could design some kind safety valve, but not a free fall demolition. These involve energy and the speed of gravity.

Another aspect about 9/11 that is rarely if ever talked about is the training that Atta and the others received, not only on American soil, but also in Germany. The group Able Danger, headed by Anthony Shaffer, was tracking these guys up to a year before 9/11 and they reported it several times and also to the NIST, but NIST ignored it. He later wrote a book and the Pentagon bought up all the copies before it was released. On an interview he said he could not disclose what part of his book he was ordered not to include (he had to edit the book by Pentagon demand). That is on record and fact.

Even if you took away all that we know about the thermate (which samples have varified) you could still prosecute these people on the fact that they had pre-knowledge of the event, based on facts regarding to the year leading up to it and other factors.

And what is the official Bush conspiracy theory on this? All I can gather is that 19 Arabs trained in Afghanistan and then came into the U.S. (somehow avoiding all the secret service agencies...I think there is about 14 of them) and got on planes and took over the planes and flew them, miraculously, right into their targets (except the one in PA of course, which also has so many inconsistencies). Case closed. That is what they want us to believe and that is where the Truth will be buried for some time to come.

and then there is Larry....

Silverstein. This guy literally let the cat out of the bag. And he collect millions from the insurance. (he bought the buildings only months earlier).

Getting the explosives into the buildings was probably the easy part. One of your men owns the building (and even Silverstein probably was a dupe, being used and did not know it...Maybe) and all you have to do is rig it floor by floor over a period of time. Several people said they had to vacate their floors for "maintenance issues", some of which had happened only within weeks of the crime.

"You can design a free-fall demolition into a building."

That was meant to say:

You cannot design a free-fall demolition into a building.

You could try, but it would not be guaranteed to work as a CONTROLLED demolition would.

  Posted by channa on 06/24/11 02:50 AM

The reason the U.S. officials behind 9/11 can Sh*t in their own back yard is because they have no loyalty to any nation, let alone their own. Their are no borders or boundaries in these people's view. They are total Machiavellians.

The idea that people are constructing buildings that will self-destruct, demolition-fashion is going beyond reason....and then to construct them so the lower floors only are designed this way (designed occurrence)? Their are after all building codes, but more importantly the building came down in free fall. Any real investigation when dismiss such nonsense as "designed occurrence". You can design a free-fall demolition into a building. It is impossible. You could design some kind safety valve, but not a free fall demolition. These involve energy and the speed of gravity.

Another aspect about 9/11 that is rarely if ever talked about is the training that Atta and the others received, not only on American soil, but also in Germany. The group Able Danger, headed by Anthony Shaffer, was tracking these guys up to a year before 9/11 and they reported it several times and also to the NIST, but NIST ignored it. He later wrote a book and the Pentagon bought up all the copies before it was released. On an interview he said he could not disclose what part of his book he was ordered not to include (he had to edit the book by Pentagon demand). That is on record and fact.

Even if you took away all that we know about the thermate (which samples have varified) you could still prosecute these people on the fact that they had pre-knowledge of the event, based on facts regarding to the year leading up to it and other factors.

And what is the official Bush conspiracy theory on this? All I can gather is that 19 Arabs trained in Afghanistan and then came into the U.S. (somehow avoiding all the secret service agencies...I think there is about 14 of them) and got on planes and took over the planes and flew them, miraculously, right into their targets (except the one in PA of course, which also has so many inconsistencies). Case closed. That is what they want us to believe and that is where the Truth will be buried for some time to come.

and then there is Larry....

Silverstein. This guy literally let the cat out of the bag. And he collect millions from the insurance. (he bought the buildings only months earlier).

Getting the explosives into the buildings was probably the easy part. One of your men owns the building (and even Silverstein probably was a dupe, being used and did not know it...Maybe) and all you have to do is rig it floor by floor over a period of time. Several people said they had to vacate their floors for "maintenance issues", some of which had happened only within weeks of the crime.

Reply from The Daily Bell

Yes, and there was the issue of the strange coincidences regarding who was involved with World Trade security at the time ...

  Posted by memehunter on 06/24/11 01:33 AM

"Memehunter, instead of examining trends, you are hunting for details. For what purpose? How does it add to one's knowledge base? Will you ever know for sure? And even if you did, would it significantly expand upon what you already suspect?"

You realize that I did not know about these clues at all before Sunday. I need a little bit of time to convince myself. It is a big change in my worldview, it takes more than a few days and one wants to be really convinced...

From the looks of it, it does not seem like everybody else knew about these things and that I am simply rehashing old, well-known points. Otherwise, why would most people, even here on DB, be still debating about 9/11 with such focus on even tinier details like the planes, the videos, or fairly obvious aspects like whether the US government could actually be involved, etc... (and I willingly admit I was sometimes one of these people)

DB, please give me some time. I need to be convinced for myself before I move on again to the bigger picture. It is a step-by-step process, zoom-in and zoom-out... And as I said, my findings definitely relate to the big picture on some level (I am surprised that DB does not see that).

Reply from The Daily Bell

Maybe we just find it a bit more obvious than you do.

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