Hi Dotti,

Guns and ammunition seem to work just fine (lol) but in the mean time, think offshore. I enjoy your reflections, thanks.

RE: Man and his Symbols, if it is the same one I read about forty years ago then it is by the Swiss psychoanalyst Carl G. Jung and it does indeed as I recall provide the interpretation of these symbols that are talked about on the Vigilant Citizen website. Jung was very interested in the esoteric and he developed his thesis of the human collective unconscious from these belief systems.

He also warned against Westerners trying to understand them or practise them since they were not suited to the Western mind which is predominantly intellectual whereas the Eastern mind, where most of these beliefs originate, is predominantly intuitive. This warning kept me away from them although other pointers Jung gave led me to Christ.

Yes, Click to view link's all interesting.

The fiat USD/FRN is still the world currency. Because of its ubiquity, it proves that it still has value. At this point, there is no alternative currency which cantake its place.

The problem is that while the USD/FRN still has "value", the future of the USD/FRN is doomed with a certainty of 100%. You can take this to the bank (pun intended).

Why is the USD/FRN doomed...??? Because the USD/FRN is monetized debt since 1971. Except for an isolated year or two, every year since 1971, the Congress has run an annual budget deficit which was monetized by the Fed and sold as Treasury paper paying interest. The annual budget deficits include the interest due. Since the interest debt is monetized along with all other government debt, the interest compounds year over year. Once the exponential curve which is compound interest intersects with the line representing the linear growth of the overall debt, there is no return from the abyss. The USD/FRN is on the road to self destruction, and it cannot be saved.

What is going on with the extention of the debt ceiling is nothing but Kabuki theater to cover the exploding interest expense. While it is true that the annual interest on thirteen trillion of debt is about 350 billion a year, if you balance every congressional budget from now on, it is also true that most politicians and particularly Obama want to create trillions of more debt. Selling that debt which is in the trillions will make the interest debt expense go crazy.

The original debt ceiling set at the creation of the Fed central bank in 1935 did make sense. However, once it was extended again and again, it lost its purpose which was not to have the compounding interest get out of hand. This however has now happend, and there is no return. The USD/FRN will be dead sooner or later. The question is which political party and which politicians will get the blame.

W. Bush was to take the blame in September of 2008. While the main stream meadia screemed to say that Bush had to be a fiscal conservative and reject such TARP money creation against worthless mortgages, he was clever enough to give them the finger and simply approve the TARP legislation before he left office, thereby passing off the problem of default on the interest payments to Obama.

Come August 2nd, the US Treasury will pay the interest due on the U.S. debt paper. There is no doubt. However, Obama wants to do it with paper printed out of thin air. That is all that can really be done, unless the Fed Reserve System of 1935 is forced to fall apart. It will fall apart without any question, if the Fed is not allowed to print the money by extending the debt ceiling. If the Congress will not extent the debt ceiling, the Fed without doubt will engage in QE3.

On the other hand, if the Congress checks its spending, meaning the ear marks are curtailed, then the local economies will not get its usual federal stimulus to encourage private industry to produce. Unemloyment will skyrocket and civil unrest will be a real problem, say nothing about Obama's reelection prospects.

All this Obama vs Boehner back and forth must be seen in this light. The teaparty's demands for a balanced budget in essence spells the early death of the USD/FRN, and it will usher in a worldwide depression which happens to be in the interest of the Chinese.

The American people will never allow runaway inflation. So, that's why "deflation" it is in the end. The Fed better be careful how far it will go to conduct these QEs. The QEs will be the destruction of the USD/FRN, not in the run-a-way hyperinflationary outcome, but in a deflationary collapse.

What way out...??? I have proposed the way out here many times. It is the elimination of the "legal tender" protection enjoyed by the USD/FRN. The elimination of "legal tender" currency will allow the creation of a parallel redeemable currency based on the gold standard.

Let the federal and state governments deal in irredeemable USD/FRNs. Let them pay their employees with irredeemable currency. To the extent that the American people keep accepting the USD/FRN, it is a sign that they value the services of government. To the extent the USD/FRN fails to be accepted, it signals to the government that there is a need to cut the spending.

Thta is the solution to effectively revive and grow the private local economies. It will work, and it will sort things out. Before you know it, there will be a labor shortage, and the government workers will stream to private industry to earn wages in redeemable currency which they can save to sustain them when they are sick or in old age.

I guarantee that it will work with an assurity of 100%. You can take that to the bank also.

You have paid me a very nice compliment and it is appreciated.

I have copied the links and will begin to plough through them--also in order as of David's links.

I was fascinated years ago by a book titled "Man and His Symbols"; I believe it had a mandala on the cover. It was a mystery to me. I started reading the book, but think that I did not follow through. I was a student at the time, as well as wife and mother and did not have much time for extracurricular reading. Now I wonder if it was related to the current study. Hmmmm.

thank you, Abu, for your kindnesses.

"I don't know much about the supposed "Illuminati", but if someone can post a link that gives an accurate, yet simple and succinct rundown, I would much appreciate it."

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dotti, the links below DON'T provide a particularly SUCCINCT approach, but after following your open-minded and refreshing posts for a while, I'm pretty sure you will find the information as astonishing as I did. Cheers!

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"My efforts to further understand the forces governing the world lead me to study secret societies, mystery religions, esoteric sciences and ancient civilizations. I've spent the last seven years researching Theosophy, Freemasonry, Rosicrucianism, the Bavarian Illuminati and Western Occultism. These schools of thoughts have many things in common: they are based on Hermetic teachings (Hermes, Thoth, Enoch, Mercury), they attach EXTREME importance to symbolism and they recruit within their ranks the most prominent people of all fields of society: politics, law and public service. The natural result of this phenomenon is the display of occult symbolism in all aspects of society, especially music, movies and buildings. My goal is to bring out the meaning of these symbols in a clear, concise and entertaining way."

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I did read something you posted about a man called Julius Evola and some of his thoughts. I have also read some material by the Trimondi couple. I must confess that this is the first time I have heard of these people and it all came about because of the spiritual battle with the Dalai Lama and his sand mandala in Washington which came to a head with the massacre in Norway.

If you have read the links I posted for Dotti you will see clearly the connection between the two events.

It is very evident that there is great deception abroad today but it all emanates from the same source, the kingdom of darkness and its rulers. What is also evident is that the nature of the struggle in the world today is spiritual not natural. There is no natural event that does not have a spiritual antecedent. Therefore if there is to be a resolution to the calamitous situation in the world it must also be spiritual.

The young man who carried out these horrendous attacks is deeply deluded about the nature of the war. As the apostle Paul said "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavens." (Ephesians 6:12)

I read somewhere that this young man sees himself as some kind of Christian warrior. The warrior is central to Tantric Buddhism so he is being influenced by that spirit whatever name it gives itself. I believe this is the connection. He also said he was combating Marxist and Muslim influences which again corresponds to the forces that Tantric Buddhism sees as its mortal enemies. He also supports Israel very strongly so this is another connection as I pointed out in my earlier post.

It seems that the Trimondis are puzzled by the admiration shown by Simon Wiesenthal and the Israelis towards the Dalai Lama given his association with Nazidom. However this is consistent with the fact that Zionism itself has an occult aspect to it and the leaders are alleged to be influenced by the Kabbala.

My own observation is that all religions have an occult dimension, Christian gnosticism or esotericism is one such, and these are all very similar in their beliefs and practices aiming as they do for the status of "ascended master". I have spoken with people from these different esoteric belief systems and they all believe much the same thing. No doubt this is one reason they put about the lie that all religions lead to God. In their case this may very well be true although the godhood they are working towards is not that of the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ but His adversaries as detailed by the apostle Paul in the scripture I quoted.

Well. I'll check it out! Guess you will, too!

Thanks.

David, thanks much!!!

I have copied the links and will read in sequence.

Thanks for your presence here at DB!

Yes, I think that David's links allude to that (I have not read all of them).

Wasn't there some hullabaloo recently about Obama meeting with the Dalai Lama?

Thanks for the links, David. In one of my numerous posts, I replied to your comment about the Dalai Lama and added some additional references, which you may already have read.

Sorry for the mess on this thread, but for some reason the posts were not appearing and I tried several times...

I liked the original post by Thomas, but as usual, John, you added to his thoughts.

There is not enough emphasis on the fact that the only conceivable way (not necessarily a high probability, perhaps not even a possibility) would involve growing the economy.

100% of zero is still zero.

Raising taxes is all for show--and we know who the show is for. Mostly for those who already don't pay any taxes--50% of the populace. (At least, they don't realize the taxes they pay!)

I think that the business-as-usual politics in DC is beginning to frighten some of the more cogent of the politicians: are they really going to crack and scramble the golden egg--pluck and cook the golden goose?

John, thanks for your posts.

Here are some links that will answer your question Dotti. Read them in sequence. They are a record of the spiritual warfare that resulted in the defeat of the Dalai Lama's demonic forces.

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Cheers to you for your thoughtful post!

Re: "Ordinary Greeks and the others never see ANY of this "bail-out" money. The billions are sent to Greece and immediately this money is funnelled back to French, German, British banks, etc... The EU/ECB aren't bailing out these countries - which is what your treasonous politicians want their financially-feeble flock to believe - they are "bailing out" INSOLVENT, often foreign, banks - not local economies. Like-wise, the FED used QE2 to 'bail-out' European banks with subsidiaries in America. The 'American' FED is a means to an end for the Illuminati Cartel."

This is at the heart of the matter. To paraphrase the famous "It's the debt, stupid", I would say, "It's the banks, stupid".

Who is pulling the strings????? It's not seriously the politicians: it's their bankster bosses. Follow the money.

I don't know much about the supposed "Illuminati", but if someone can post a link that gives an accurate, yet simple and succinct rundown, I would much appreciate it.

thanks for your post, i.e., your "rant"! (Rather Well-put for a rant!)

Ingo, thanks for your post.

I am finding that more people of MBA status are "taking a look at gold". These are not your typical mom and pops, nor are they the top 5% of wealthy.

People who thought even 1% of a portfolio in gold was just plain weird are reconsidering based on their real-world information that contradicts their MBA training that gold should never be considered as an investment.

I believe that if the irresponsible printing of fiat currencies continues, we will have an economic collapse in which all fiat currencies lose their value. In such a case, there would be a return to something of a barter system. In that system, gold would be far too valuable to trade for a gallon of water or a bucket of beans. A 90% silver dime, however, may be a useful "token" to be traded.

In an earlier feedback I posed the queestion regarding what would be a worthwhile "exchange value" for gold/silver. I cannot imagine anyone trading gold/silver for irredeemable currency of any sovereign without some sort of substantial change in global financial markets. And I would find it hard to TRUST even any supposedly "redeemable" currency. Haven't we heard that before?

Thanks for your posts. Bottom line is that i consider silver to be more volatile than gold--it may end up closer to the 1/15 ratio with gold or 1/150. I don't know.

But it's all interesting, yes?

Hello, David. Thanks for your post. I read your post, then went to the article and read it. I returned and re-read your post.

I believe in the forces of evil and anything to do with what is loosely called "the occult" is interesting--and scary--to me.

I was especially interested in your statement that "He failed in the attempt" this July. That "The spirits had failed to enter the United States..." seemed rather vague to me. Can you provide more information?

Thanks for your posts.

No, I apologize. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Please forgive me!

thanks Thomas! concise and to the point.

injun1, I have read many of your posts with interest. This one is no exception. I wonder, however, when grandma and grandpa GET OUT of gold, to what will they entrust their assets? Do you recommend any fiat currency? Real estate? Beans and rice?

Of the three options listed above, the only one that i would see as profitable would be Option #3: Beans and rice--or alternatively, guns and ammunition.

Thanks for your posts!

OK, well I wrote another comment that again does not post. Not sure what is wrong with the content of my posts...

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