Thomas Jacob on the New Swiss Gold Franc, Why the EU Is a Bad Idea and Why an IMF Managed Currency Would Be Tragic
The Daily Bell is pleased to present this exclusive interview with Thomas Jacob (left) .
Introduction: Mr. Jacob studied economics at Zurich University and spent a year as an exchange student in Indianapolis. Afterward, Mr. Jacob attended Swissair pilot school and spent 15 years as an airline pilot flying the DC10, DC9, B747 and A320. During his time as a pilot, Mr. Jacob had time to “indulge extensively” in his interests in free-market economics, libertarianism and people worldwide. As he says, “It all began with Ayn Rand.” Thomas Jacob attended several Mises University courses and many ISIL conferences during this time of intensive study of Austrian economics, all of which led to his introduction of the idea of the Swiss gold franc. Since 2002, he has worked as a financial consultant and coach in Switzerland.
Daily Bell: Please tell us about your idea for a gold franc.
Thomas Jacob: Gladly. The idea is the result of my interest in free market economics and especially my conviction that a commodity money is the most effective way to curb government involvement in the economy. The idea is simply to re-introduce an additional gold-coin currency in Switzerland on the constitutional level.
Daily Bell: Is this similar to the idea of a silver libertad being pursued in Mexico?
Thomas Jacob: The similarity is that it is a legal parallel currency and a commodity money. The difference is that the Swiss gold franc will be a privately issued money. The government’s role is limited to defining the appearance and the gold content of the coins and to protecting honest business practices.
Daily Bell: Where are you with your program?
Thomas Jacob: Dr. Ulrich Schlüer from the biggest party of Switzerland, the SVP [Ed.: Swiss People’s Party aka Democratic Union of the Centre], introduced a parliamentary initiative on March 8 – incidentally, the same day the Utah parliament [legislature] passed their gold law.
At the same time a group of dedicated politicians and economists, including I, have founded the gold franc association to coordinate the activities to help realize the idea on a non-partisan basis.
Daily Bell: What are the next steps?
Thomas Jacob: The appropriate commission will discuss the proposal probably in the winter session. They will either accept and work on it or it goes directly to the parliamentary floor. Should they also unexpectedly have no interest, we will start a popular initiative. With 100,000 signatures the voters can vote on it directly, independent of whether the politicians like it or not.
Daily Bell: Are you hopeful?
Thomas Jacob: No, I am confident. The time is right; the issue simple. We are talking about freedom of choice in monetary matters, something that cannot be opposed in good faith. It is not primarily about attacking today’s monetary system, but giving people the freedom of choice. If today’s monetary system remains as good as today’s authorities claim it is, they shouldn’t worry – if it isn’t, we, the people, shouldn’t be forced to use it.
Daily Bell: Give us some background. Where were you born and raised?
Thomas Jacob: I was born in Zurich and grew up in Schaffhausen (30 miles north, near Germany and the Rhine Falls). I spent one high school year in Indianapolis and have lived in Zurich ever since.
Daily Bell: What is Zurich like? Give us your impressions.
Thomas Jacob: With the weather not living up to the global warming promises, this rainy summer makes it a bit harder to be all praises for Zurich. I love it. You can find almost everything in Zurich, one of the positive aspects of the 30-plus percentage of foreigners from all over the world. It is clean enough to go swimming in the river running straight through the city. It is wealthy enough that we are doing well despite the wasteful socialistic government. Complaining at our standard of living has a touch of decadence to it.
Daily Bell: You were a pilot for 15 years. What was that like?
Thomas Jacob: Great. It was my boyhood dream. I always say today are the good old times of tomorrow but the times I had as a pilot won’t come back for two simple reasons: on the one hand the airplanes in the ‘80s didn’t have the range for direct flights and there were fewer flights, so going, for example, to Beijing and back took 12 days with three stopovers for the crew. I had tons of time to study cultures, people and economics. On the other hand, Swissair was the only privately owned airline in Europe. We had competitive working conditions but with the competition being state-owned bureaucracies we did very well.
Daily Bell: Why did you retire?
Thomas Jacob: After 15 years even piloting becomes routine. The folding up of Swissair at the end of 2001 gave me a reason to reevaluate my future.
Daily Bell: You went into financial consulting in 2002. Why?
Thomas Jacob: It combined my interests in finances and in people and offered a challenge pretty much opposite to that of a pilot.
Daily Bell: What is the financial environment in Switzerland like now?
Thomas Jacob: The economy is strong and so is the financial sector. I see a special challenge in the uncertainty about future rules and regulations and their enforcement. A friend of mine, Robert Nef, coined the term “vorauseilender Gehorsam”, which means the Swiss authorities tend to implement and enforce national and international rules and regulations not only to the letter but ahead of time, and over-complying.
Daily Bell: What is the political situation like?
Thomas Jacob: Pressing issues are our relation with the EU, financial themes and immigration. Party politics is pretty much divided into SVP and the rest. The SVP has often been the first one to pick up issues that the people worried about and politics ignored, and has had unprecedented success to become the largest party ever, with currently about 30 percent of the votes. The main losers were the parties in the middle, which had drifted to the left and toward the EU during the ‘90s. They seem to have an anti-SVP reflex in most issues. The parliamentary elections this fall will be interesting: if the SVP keeps winning votes will the middle parties ally with the left or move back to the right? This will be decisive for the general heading of Swiss politics in the next years.
Daily Bell: Are you a fan of the European Union?
Thomas Jacob: No. Power corrupts, and centralization always means more power. I am a federalist, ideally down to every individual.
Daily Bell: Is Switzerland growing closer to the EU? Should it?
Thomas Jacob: Polls show 80 percent oppose joining the EU. The majority of the politicians and almost all bureaucrats want to move closer and eventually join the EU but they have to move carefully today. There is always the threat that the voters will rebel, and with our direct democratic system we can vote on any and every issue if the politicians overdo it.
Daily Bell: Why is a gold franc needed?
Thomas Jacob: Why not? Freedom of choice is always beneficial. There are many potentially great advantages and the worst that can happen is ignorance, that is – nothing.
Then there is the issue of the future of today’s monetary system. I have my personal thoughts on that but I want to stress that there is no need to agree with me on this to support the creation of a gold franc. There is, for example, the moral issue of the fractional reserve system, which means some people create money “out of thin air,” and the general public pays via inflation. Then there is the “pretense of knowledge” that Hayek talked about: there is simply no way the authorities can know all they need to know to make decisions for the whole economy.
Last but not least, there is another question I haven’t been able to answer: if the monetary authorities want positive inflation, this means that the money supply must grow faster than goods and services – and this monetary growth is, in today’s system, all backed by an equivalent amount of debt. But whom can you impose an ever increasing amount of debt onto? Isn’t that an insane idea? As far as the road to change, I like what Hans Sennholz said in a 1984 speech at the Mises Institute: “Only in freedom, only through a parallel standard, can there ever be a just monetary reform.”
Daily Bell: What would the gold franc do?
Thomas Jacob: An easily understandable and useable commodity coin-money would give people a “sensual experience” with real money. People who feel and possess gold francs immediately and intuitively understand the difference between “real” and “fiat” money. For them the monetary world would never be the same again.
On the practical level, gold franc coins could be produced as a bimetallic coin, starting with as little as 0.1 grams of gold in the center. This coin would cost about $5 and give many people access to gold for the first time. This will open up huge new markets for gold in and outside Switzerland. The legal protection from taxes makes gold francs attractive for life insurance companies, pension funds, etc. By one estimate the additional demand for gold in Switzerland alone will raise the gold price by 11 percent.
Daily Bell: What will it force other countries to do?
Thomas Jacob: Depending on the developments in Switzerland, I can imagine different scenarios. They are all positive but it is too early to speculate on specifics.
Daily Bell: What gave you the idea?
Thomas Jacob: To be honest, the “healthy currency” group of some SVP parliamentarians. Their concern then was the safeguarding of the remaining gold in our national bank, which I think is a nice idea but doesn’t address the issue at heart. Originally, I wanted to use this remaining gold as the base for a parallel gold franc currency. After the huge losses the national bank incurred last year this became increasingly utopian, and I concentrated on today’s proposal.
Daily Bell: Are you an Austrian – someone who believes in Misesian Human Action?
Thomas Jacob: Absolutely. But since this is a political proposal it could be distracting to get into these discussions.
Daily Bell: What is your position on silver?
Thomas Jacob: Once the gold franc is introduced I expect it to be easy to do the same for silver and eventually “separate money from the state.”
Daily Bell: Is there a new world order or a financial elite determined to create one?
Thomas Jacob: I follow your discussions with much interest and sympathy but I simply don’t know.
Daily Bell: Would the gold franc have an impact on globalization? If so, in what way?
Thomas Jacob: The gold franc is the name for a weight of gold and therefore immediately a world money. It will have practical and psychological impacts; just where and how much I don’t know yet.
Daily Bell: Why did Switzerland give up the gold link?
Thomas Jacob: It is even hard to define just when “give up” took place. Fact is the Swiss people have always clung to gold much more than the politicians and still do. In 1948, for example, the voting public forced the authorities by way of a referendum to get gold-backing of the Swiss franc back into the constitution. In the ‘90s it was the national bank and politicians who wanted to get rid of the gold. The constitutional change this required was sold to the people as part of a complete overhaul of the constitution “with purely formal changes.” Even one of the responsible federal councils admitted later that this was probably misleading, to put it mildly. The initiative to safeguard the remaining gold and get a minimum of 20 percent of gold backing into the constitution should get launched any day now. It promises to be popular and put the issue of gold and money onto the media and political agendas.
Daily Bell: What is Switzerland’s future without a gold franc?
Thomas Jacob: Worse than with one. After all, we are talking about freedom of choice, which is always beneficial.
Daily Bell: Have the Swiss forgotten about sound money?
Thomas Jacob: Not the Swiss people. Sometimes it seems some politicians and monetary authorities have.
Daily Bell: Has the banking community?
Thomas Jacob: They play the game according to the rules as best they can, I suppose.
Daily Bell: Is Credit Suisse a Swiss firm or a globalist one?
Thomas Jacob: By what standard? Turnover, profit, owners, laws they abide by? The answers would probably differ.
Daily Bell: Does Switzerland need to focus more on private banking?
Thomas Jacob: I like private banking for the accountability it (used to) mean. I don’t know what Switzerland should do.
Daily Bell: Is the dollar reserve system failing? We think it is virtually dead.
Thomas Jacob: I can follow your arguments but really don’t know.
Daily Bell: Do you think the world will end up with a basket currency and an IMF central bank?
Thomas Jacob: Conceivable and tragic.
Daily Bell: Are the IMF and World Bank a good idea?
Thomas Jacob: They are the ultimate political centralization short of a world government. Centralization means power and power corrupts.
Daily Bell: Should Switzerland stick to itself or try to become more and more an international country?
Thomas Jacob: Economically international, politically independent. Goods should move freely and without restrictions, the gold franc of course being part of it.
Daily Bell: Where do you go from here?
Thomas Jacob: On vacation for one week.
Daily Bell: Any other comments you wish to make?
Thomas Jacob: The speed of the political process depends on public pressure, in this case on publicity and the means to threaten the politicians with an immediate and efficient popular initiative. For those readers interested in becoming part of this historic project, we can gladly supply them with our “investors plan.”
Fun questions. Thanks and congratulations!
Daily Bell: Thanks for speaking to us. Good luck.
We thank Thomas Jacob for sharing his "inside" views of Switzerland. And we wish him and his associates well in their attempt to introduce a new competing gold currency into the Swiss market. We do not doubt that it would be incredibly popular, both within and outside of Switzerland.
Ideally, we would rather have monetary systems that had no government involvement at all and a true free-banking environment.
In reality, though, why would politicians who are incapable of restricting their desire to make never ending promises, and who require an inflatable currency in order to facilitate the illusion, ever permit an "honesty check" to enter into legal existence? The answer is that they do not want such a restrictive monetary system because they are in the business of creating entitlement and war-driven monetary inflation and do so in the service of an international banking cartel who control the world's central banks and its money supply.
So as much as we wish things were different, they are not. People in general still want to believe in the false welfare dreams being peddled by politicians and are willing to sell short their freedoms and liberties in the process. Until a market imposed wakeup call is delivered, one that seems to be imminently approaching, we do not see much hope in the status quo changing with respect to Western governemnts permitting private money issuance and competition.
In the future, it is possible. But not until the Internet Reformation has run its course and even then, only if the general public are willing to live within their means – and construct a decentralized republic that respects the rights of an individual to live their lives the way they see fit.
We agree with Jacob that the EU is a failed concept. We also agree that an IMF managed global currency is also a toxic recipe. In fact, we believe the current monetary crises are providing ample ammunition for the gloablist enterprise to use its chaotic nature as a springboard to implementing such a global monetary system. Undoubtedly they will try and are in fact already working diligently to bring that into being.
Switzerland is a country comprised on a citizenry who have a long tradition of using gold and silver as a store of value. They are perhaps the most steeped population in the world when it comes to understanding the true nature of central banking, the pitfalls of central planning, and the problems associated with an unrestrained monetary unit.
For those who would like to read one of the finest books ever written on this topic, we highly recomment Ferdinand Lips "Gold Wars: The Battle Against Sound Money As Seen From A Swiss Perspective."
Gold Wars deals with gold's history, and especially the abandonment of gold-as-money under the modern welfare/warfare state. It shows how governments, fearing the affinity of free people for gold, fight it, thereby helping to destroy countries and the gold-mining industry.
We wish Thomas Jacob well in his attempt to try and institute a competing gold Swiss franc. Perhaps the move, should it be successful, will be a beacon of inspiration for other countries populations whose faith in their domestic fiat currency systems is rapidly eroding.
Posted by JVessel on 08/22/11 10:29 PM
Greetings to the Daily Bell and posters:
The last post for this article was on the 16th, but I'm just now catching up on my DB reading, and feel the need to post even though I'm late to the party. Perhaps there are others like me, that read past articles and might still care about the topics discussed here.
It saddens me that the quality of feedback has devolved into religious babble. David Robertson and manfrommars are stumping for Christianity and having a conversation all their own.
So I'm going to make clear what rossbcan is touching on when he says life is fatal.
Here are the lies of religion:
1) Life is evil. All are born fallen and sinful.
2) Death is neither real nor final.
3) Guilt is transferable.
4) Authority and compulsion are necessary and proper.
1) Life itself is the source of all values.
2) Death is real and final.
3) Guilt, once earned, belongs to the one who acted wrongly. It cannot be transferred to an animal for sacrifice, nor to an imaginary "Lamb" or God.
4) Authority and compulsion are always detrimental to the individuals participating in them.
Posted by rossbcan on 08/16/11 01:35 PM
"Big black spot..."
The mote in your eye is far less apparent than the motes in the eyes of others.
There are very few, as a hypocritical lawyer would state, with: "clean hands".
That is the point of artificially complex, imprecise law, more law than any mere mortal can comprehend in ten lifetimes. Virtually anybody and everybody can be decreed guilty, should they become an impediment to those who wield it.
Sucks to be them, because simple law once did and still exists, in strategic denial by rationalizers on the bench:
Click to view link
Posted by speedygonzales on 08/16/11 07:39 AM
I would like to hear Mr Jacob some words about BIS. Looks like Switzerland is stronghold of establishment. Like Lichtenstein,Luxembourg, Cathedral Bank... Big black spot on Swiss's credit and no mention
Posted by amanfromMars on 08/16/11 02:35 AM
"Whatever you can do or dream you can, begin it. For boldness has genius, power and magic in it." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Posted by amanfromMars on 08/16/11 02:31 AM
Quite so, rossbcan, learn from natural law (adapt to reality) is sound and practical advice which works ...... which is why there is so much messing about with reality by those who would realise how simple it is to control/direct life and death with a resultant chaos which occupies whole nations to waste their energy and resources responding to artificially created crises/pogroms/programs/projects, rather than exercising wisdom and leadership to creating brave new worlds with heavenly produced benefits for all ....... which you can be hereby assured, is equally easily delivered by those who would realise how simple it is to control/direct life and death.
And before anyone jumps into the deep end of a very dark pool, proclaiming that such idiotic control which delivers the former rather than the latter, is not possible, please consider how simple it is for the likes of sub-prime ministers and presidents to declare others and whole other states and nations, personae non gratae and pariah and subject them to swift and unilateral/multilateral destructive attack and invasive, pervasive occupation ...... to completely change a reality with no foreign violence causing sudden death and wholesale destruction to one which is full of it on a daily basis ...... and all of that sort of nonsense and insanity is simply done with just the sharing of words over communications channels. It is no more difficult than that to command reality virtually.
Ps .... love your sense of good humour in the midst of global insanity, rossbcan.
Posted by Penny on 08/16/11 01:16 AM
Yep! We bought the age old lie "You too can be gods". We tossed out the idea that there is GOD, together with the "handbook" (The Bible). That is the root of the matter and it strikes me that the only solution for us all is to turn back, get on our knees and ask God's forgiveness, ie repent. Turn to Jesus Christ, who was, is and always will be The Way, The Truth and the Life, turns the world upside down and is the ONLY way in which we can really know God and follow His ways. Will the penny ever drop? As the dark gets darker, the light will get brighter to many. You have put it very well David Robertson.
Posted by rossbcan on 08/15/11 05:20 PM
RE: (uncle Martin's link)
Paul Krugman on CNN: 'If We Discovered That Space Aliens Were Planning to Attack… This Slump Would Be Over in 18 Months'
This is also what Nixon said to Kruschev (someone fact confirm please) at an arms summit in former USSR: paraphrased, "we would certainly work together if aliens invaded"
Civilization defined: the rules by which we peacefully cooperate (trade) for mutual self interest.
Problem IS (slaver perspective): Allowing the serfs to achieve their own self interest (keep the fruits of their productivity) leaves NOTHING for parasites. Thus, we must be "motivated" by a never ending stream of faux Machiavaillian political "ism's" and, when the lies and cost becomes apparent, war.
Seems that, internationally, the big players have wised up and don't want to play wargames because it is MAD (mutually assured destruction), so the US is stuck bullying low hanging fruit, which, apparently, is not lucrative, nor threatening enough for MIC.
So, now, aliens?
It may be a possibility that these inane parasites will just be laughed to death and, gonged off the stage. Why destroy them when they are doing a much better job themselves? The rope is fed, the hanging is soon.
Posted by David_Robertson on 08/15/11 05:00 PM
Summer, this is simply the teaching of Jesus, that He is the Way and that no one comes to the Father but by Him and that the path (the Way) to Life is narrow and the gate is strait and few find it but the road to destruction is wide and many are on it.
Eventually everyone will enter through this gate and find the path to Life but for the moment they are on the road to destruction. It may seem rather arbitrary but it isn't. God is working to a perfect plan for His creation, Man in the image of God in whom everything in the universe is found and who has been anointed as the ruler of all things.. This perfect Man is Jesus Christ who is God incarnate and it is in Him that we shall all in due time come into our inheritance.
The Law which you embrace is spiritual and it is good and it will continue to serve God's purposes until its purpose is completed. This is the framework I referred to in another post. Jesus completely fulfilled the Law in Himself because mankind cannot do so in their present state of death and corruption perverting it as they do into their own image to suit their own purposes. But we do not yet see everything under His feet, subject to Him even though He has ascended to the place of absolute sovereignty above all the heavens. This is the purpose for which God created this dimension we call Space/Time. It provides Process and History which we are all living through. Everything has been completed yet everything is still in Process. This will continue until the end of Time and Space at which point death will have been destroyed and God will be All in All.
This glimpse is all we have been given of the very distant future but we know that there is still a greater revelation of God to Mankind that is at the very door and could well take place in our lifetimes. This is called in scripture the manifestation of the sons of God and in the language of the word of God is the unveiling of the Son of Man, the Son of God, Head and Body, the Lord Jesus Christ in His fullness to the creation.
Posted by Summer on 08/15/11 04:52 PM
Oh I see! Tis true! Thanks
Posted by Summer on 08/15/11 04:48 PM
LOL at your link, what next!? :)
If I understand you correctly (the absence of full stops permitting :)), then I agree that: man can excel in different areas and ages and hopefully will again. Heralding: "selfless generative bounty for all, that history will report on a new dawn and awakening, which is worth repeating" - or even continuing what once was a great awakening but undiscovered or concealed or distorted in the eyes of the world. What a time that would be...
Posted by rossbcan on 08/15/11 04:38 PM
Not a link, DB bug inserted and munched:
L i f e i s F A T A L .
not to imply that it is reasonable to shorten it, for some, unless they are shortening it for others...
Posted by Summer on 08/15/11 04:33 PM
Hi rossbcan, I couldn't access your link! :)
Posted by rossbcan on 08/15/11 03:43 PM
"that is not to say that he cannot be honed"
more to the point: carrot and sticked. Learn from natural law (adapt to reality) or, be smited by "rule of man" (adapt to the insanity of those we tolerate to be irresponsible equals also be insane).
Posted by amanfromMars on 08/15/11 02:05 PM
"So I am on a path to destruction (as a Muslim), although I believe you to be on a path to God as am I (as are many who intend to do 'good')?! Pity. I thought Jesus came in a tradition of prophet-hood. But the Jews, historically also dismissed future prophets... and so history repeats... " ..... Posted by Summer on 08/15/11 11:47 AM
Do not dismiss or ignore the real probability, by virtue of the necessity to safeguard and convert artificial fortunes into positive rewards for spending and creating the streaming of human endeavours which build and strengthen new versions of nations and societies/communes and trading communities in an image and active interactive model that is provided with in order to provide the future intellectual property that delivers selfless generative bounty for all, that history will report on a new dawn and awakening, which is worth repeating ...... Click to view link ...... and discover that Man has never been alone but just rather too deadly slow at growing up to defeat the destructive blights and fights he creates and would choose not to simply stop and call a halt to, for is that not just the simple thing that he must do?
Not the sharpest tool in the box, is Man, but that is not to say that he cannot be honed.
Posted by rossbcan on 08/15/11 01:48 PM
Life (not link)!
Posted by rossbcan on 08/15/11 01:46 PM
"So I am on a path to destruction"
Click to view linkfe is FATAL. The FDA oughta warned us and, states should protect us:)
Posted by Summer on 08/15/11 11:47 AM
"This enjoins upon one an imperative to walk in the Light as He is in the Light. There may be other lines reflecting the Light to one degree or another but they all lead to destruction."
So I am on a path to destruction (as a Muslim), although I believe you to be on a path to God as am I (as are many who intend to do 'good')?! Pity. I thought Jesus came in a tradition of prophet-hood. But the Jews, historically also dismissed future prophets... and so history repeats...
Posted by amanfromMars on 08/15/11 11:23 AM
The alien premise proposed, Dave_Robertson, is that all is well prepared long ago, and Man tarries and fails to deliver to himself the heavenly futures available, and now does IT step into the picture to make future derivatives readily available and easily deliverable via digital means and virtual memes ..... with Clouds Hosting Advanced Operating Systems for Command and Control Of Computers and Communications in Creative CyberSpace ..... which is the very space and strange place in which we currently meet and effortlessly greet each other.
And although of no consideration whatsover to any of those who may on such a journey/experience as we reveal, is unbelievably great fortune also a part of the plan to be shared and exercised and spent, to paradoxically, greatly increase in value great fortunes for such spendings/investments/rewards/dues ...... for as you have quite rightly observed, is such a base element an integral primitive part of the evolving entity and may linger as a sugar coating for tireless valuable effort with no personal thought of such artificial reward, which so easily corrupts and diverts one from the straight and narrow stairways to heaven and states of immaculate grace.
Thanks for the chat, Dave_Robertson, which must surely confirm what we both know to be true, and therefore is that which we both know to be true, true too, and truth is only an absolute in a very small minded position which makes no provision for progress and future knowledge of past discoveries upon which everything may have been built and is imagined to be a rock standard default.
The world was once flat and now it is round and we cling to its surface as it flies and spins around Sun at phenomenal speed just as if nothing is happening, and we accept that tale as quite normal. Crazy, eh?
Posted by David_Robertson on 08/15/11 09:39 AM
"Methinks then, is such an ignorance and failure in Mankind, wholly due to a lack of education and simple textual guidance in the matter, and thus is it easily resolved with due diligence in the presentation of the information required for quantum leaping and elevation to higher planes? What say y'all to that proposal? "
At the appropriate time when sufficient resources have been accumulated and when everyone who has been chosen as a servant teacher/leader/ healer/administrator in the Government of God has entered into the place prepared for them all of this will be brought to bear to accomplish the next stage of the development of Man. This entails not only the preparation of the servant rulers which has been underway for two thousand years but also the preparation of the nations so that they will be in a condition to receive what has been prepared for them. These servant rulers are the "few" you refer to as transcending the framework, put in place by God to protect Man during this gestation process, as well as the rebellious natural mind of Man that is enmity to God. This is why they are termed "overcomers".
I believe that the intuitions you have about the movements of the Spirit of God, although expressed in the language of your field of expertise that is largely unknown to me, are in fact evidence of the very things I myself am learning. That this process is ongoing and that one is continuously challenged to go higher is for me axiomatic.
The one caveat I might have is that the true line of development is along the Way given by God in Jesus Christ. His life, death, resurrection and ascension are all actual historic events enacted upon the stage of history in order to show us the Way. This enjoins upon one an imperative to walk in the Light as He is in the Light. There may be other lines reflecting the Light to one degree or another but they all lead to destruction. I myself was on one such way when I was apprehended by the Light. If you believe that there is another way or that other ways are just as valid then you have believed the lie. This is just one of the tests we must all face in order to come to a knowledge of the Truth.
Your apprehension of the possibility of being caught up in a delusion, even a very strong delusion, is well founded.
Posted by John Danforth on 08/15/11 07:39 AM
You are correct, I should not have jumped to the conclusions I did.
I am sorry.
(I never suggested taking anything from anybody, though. When I mentioned starving them out, I meant that those who DO take from us are running out of wealth to expropriate.)