I basically ditto rossbcan on this

With all due respect to R.H., I don't think his idea is anything but another conquest. Not to say that conquests don't work, because the history shows they do.

If the "West" is "restored", then the condition is reset again for it to degenerate as it did, and the society will find itself in yet another situation.

Let me try to condense my point here: Of course we can violently force everyone to accept whatever the laws we want, this is the meaning of conquest.

But, the only stable form of organization is the one where there is some mechanism that totally prevents any part of the society however large or small to insure that even a single individual complies with even a single law he may not like, unless, it can be shown beyond all doubt, that the individual in question himself aggressed against someone, and the request to comply being discussed is a direct consequence of that aggression, with an intent to rectify the damage, and that the method used to show all this is itself beyond any doubt.

Such will be a stable and free society, because it would have a mechanism of self-regulation, whereby it will adjust back whenever it had crossed the line of it's own footprint and thus lost balance.

It is precisely the lack of such, that pushed all and every nation to self-destruction, and ours, certainly will not be the exception.

An example: When any new Hitler, like Barak Obama, succeeds in enchanting the majority to self-destruct, any single man should be able to say: "No, you ain't! I don't think I need national healthcare, even if 99.99% of the rest of you do, and therefore I opt-out.", and then actually remain free and unharmed, and not forced to comply.

As long as it can be shown that there is at least one law, that at least one single man can not opt out from, then it can be said that such a society is based on violent submission and not on any freedom principle whatsoever, and as such, will necessarily self-destruct.

I really do appreciate Ron Holland's views. The following statement is especially right on:

"The historic virtues of hard work, free-market thinking and a common cultural integrity as well as religious and historical principles are gone. They have been subverted and replaced by an emphasis on rampant materialism and a consumer driven society that exceeds 70 percent of GNP in addition to private and public debt."

It seems to me that society consists more and more of the following two types of people: 1) people who don't want to work and who believe that they are entitled to being supported (by the government or otherwise), and 2) people who believe that success means making more and more money while doing less and less actual work.

I particularly agree that we "must restore localism and regional sovereignty over mega and supra-national governments and institutions".

Mr. Holland

There is a factor that you may not be aware of that renders all of your restoration axioms useless until the situation is corrected. That factor is United States Citizenship. Hardly anyone understands it. United States citizenship is citizenship in Washington, D.C., or one of the US possessions. Washington, D.C. is not a state of the Union. Washington, D.C. is a foreign country with respect to any of the several states The constitution does not apply to Washington, D.C.
We have all been tricked into accepting US citizenship; that is Washington, D.C. citizenship. We have accepted the terms, and benefits, of that citizenship. Article 1, section 8, clause 17, and article 4, section 3, clause 2, of the Constitution, grants Congress all power in Washington, D.C., and thus all power OVER United States citizens.
Prior to the fourteenth amendment the term United States Citizen was understood to be those who lived in a territory of the United States that wasn't yet admitted to the Union. People living in one of the several states were citizens of the state where they were domiciled. That changed with the fourteenth amendment.
When the slaves were freed with the thirteenth amendment, they were made US citizens by the fourteenth because the federal government couldn't make them state citizens. The states had to do that individually.
State citizens started accepting US citizenship along with benefits which were adhesion contracts.
Until we the people do something about the adhesion contracts that have made us US citizens; until we get rid of our US citizenship status; until we regain our status as just state citizens; we have no status to implement your 12 Axioms of Freedom Restoration.
If this sounds off-the-wall' to you, please look at the article at the link below.
For now the only thing holding back the Federal government from total tyranny is the armed people. The government fears an armed uprising. That's why they want to get rid of our guns.

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Thank you Mr. Holland. True leadership with a concise plan and straightforward analysis but I would add that to actually take back control we're going to need a competing currency.

... .very much appreciate Ron's posts...

Oops! I forgot to add this at the very bottom os my last post:

It seems everytime, at this time of year, the US government signs in some new law in the secret night that is repugnant to the Constitution, what are we in for?

Another year with still no re-investigation of the original 9/11/01, as untethered evil is on the loose and spreading.



People should (politely) send these questions, as I have, to CT police and government officials while there is public focus and that something? about this STINKS.

Veterans Today,12/20/2012, by Niall Bradley

'Sandy Hook massacre: Official story spins out of control'

'This logically tells us that the real perpetrators are being protected with cover stories of what really happened because if the truth were known, some section of the U.S. government would be implicated.'

'…and the media focusing the emotional outcry onto the hot-button topic of gun control…I'm left wondering if this was actually the work of some highly trained professional hit team?'

'Was the massacre at Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, a psy-op, using what amounts to a 'death squad' and a carefully planned mission to terrorise people on behalf of the government, in combination with perception management to shape the narrative and vector the emotional fallout?'

The John Moore show said that one child had 11 bullet wounds and that #4 buckshot could do that with one shot from a shotgun. Have you heard any media reports of a shot gun at the scene?

Demand A Plan - Demand Celebrities Go F*CK Themselves!

http://youtu.be/hxRlpRcorEU

Here's some direct measures that, I believe, would restore immediate confidence in the American people and in restoring world confidence:

Start with the long awaited re-investigation of 911 with the following people on the next commission (their evidence is already brilliantly provided):


Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

http://youtu.be/4tTMMNTisBM


and:

Was September 11
a Cover-up
of a Financial Fraud?
E.P. Heidner dated 28th June 2008


and:

Source: 9/11 Was A Fantastically Profitable Covert Operation
September 3rd, 2011 Kommentare deaktiviert

By Lars Schall


Arrest the criminals and complicit, cut off foreign aid of complicit countries.


Demand cost accountability, justification and performance history of the the UN and all related expenses, first suspend all funds pending review and to facilitate an efficient and timely review.


All UN activities repugnant to the US Constitution are null and void immediately (examples: Agenda 21, World Gun Treaty, World Core Curriculum, any acts regarding US waters, US land and parks, US airports, etc. and ANY acts that threaten or weaken the US Bill Of Rights and US Constitution).


Investigate all back door funding the UN (EPA for example) and indite conspirators for mis-use of US citizens taxes.


Restore US congressional constitutional;y intended function, all laws repugnant to the constitution null and void, fire the 32 Czars, de-fund regulatory back to original intended role and bound by the original intent of the US constitution and Bill Of Rights.

Suspend NATO funding, suspend funding to perceived enemies of the USA, bring US troops back under US command and US congressional control, pin point accountability, justification of all military funding, military bases, related activities.


Legislate bank debts back to the banks, uphold existing laws, put Bill Black in charge of investigating the banksters, CFTC, SEC, and any federal agencies involved in cover ups, defrauding American citizens or complicity in conspiring against the prosperity and national financial security of the USA.


Let's start there.


HAR HAR, right (any 'real' elected leaders anymore?)

"a better educated population"

a "manipulated population", is, in actual fact, "a Pavlov adapted population"

Carrots favoring servitude, sticks for the productive whom "refuse to pay" and the non-servile.

has done the adaptation, at the cost of consuming mankind's seed corn. Now, the cupboard is bare, the "cost" of those dangling carrots, the carrots themselves and those wielding sticks can no longer be borne. These adaptive forces are no longer possible, on the wane, economically unviable.

The new adaptive forces are the consequences:

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The dependent will be tempted by the "something from nothing" (resolving to "from someone else") siren call of wannabe Hitler's to "do something", financed, again by the "proceeds of crime" of highly organized criminals, seeking a "new order", to again chain humanity to servitude, with "new pretexts". Still carrots and sticks. Hopefully, this will fail and bankrupt elites. They will print more money, but, so what, it is worthless, a truth that time reveals.

If the productive "stay the course" and, continue shrugging, natural law will be the carrots (trade honestly, add value, prosper) and sticks (aggress and, face self-defense of your victims, a cost, not a profit).

Natural law opposes (by costs) all whom dissent.

this is where "a better educated population" will come from, "the school of hard knocks", most definately, not a statist institution.

It strikes me as a bit over the top to identify each item on this list of 12 as an "axiom."

'We have to confront the institutions and false belief "memes" used to control and manipulate Western citizens, rendering us powerless to determine our personal or national destinies."

This, it seems to me, is the most critical task. As the vast majority of the population will not see any of these 12 items as "axioms", education and an exposure of the myths and legends upon which they have built their faith in the state as false is the foundational building block.

Nothing will change until the views of enough people change (a dedicated minority). Alternatively, things will be changed by necessity when the promises of the state fail, as economic law says they must. In either case, a better educated population is key if the hope is to move toward a somewhat freer society.

RH: "How To Restore the West"

Definitions:

How to:
The mechanism or algorithm of (a defined sequence of CHOICES, in pursuit of a goal)

Restore:
a reset, back to original conditions, negation of all events / consequences that integrated to current conditions, alleged to be unacceptable as "original conditions" are also alleged to be "acceptable"

The West:
A defined geographical region(s) with further qualificiations regarding the nature of the social / economic / political "order" "in charge"

So, the statement "How to restore the west" deconstructs to:

A sequence of choices negating the "work" of the stakeholders of current "status quo" must be undertaken and, a "new power" must assert "original conditions"

This is a very tall, perhaps impossible undertaking. The definitions, perceptions and wills of of all stakeholders with influence must be taken into account, to herd them on a single path. We cannot even agree on what the "good old days" were and, history, as represented by "experts" is a LIE.

I think you have your definitions wrong. Nobody is going to "restore the west". However you may define "the west", consensus is IMPOSSIBLE by the dual pincers of "philosophical divide and conquor" and "free will of people, seeking what they need to survive". No single definition of "the west", nor power enforcing it is going to become, nor be able to keep the "king of the hill" position. To become "king of tthe hill" is to ally all dissenters against you. The harder the "king pushes", the more blowback and the quicker the "fall of the kingdom".

Now, if you were to state "How to Restore Freedom" well, that is an entirely different matter. This statement of goal is not about "a power, imposing goals nor some romantic memory of what never was". It is about how to get the bullies / criminals suppressing freedom out of our collective faces. The goal becomes far easier, a physical problem regarding how to deal with those whom forcefully state "obey or else", initiating aggression should we choose "or else".

In the philosophical realm, the problem of getting "buy in" and social consensus, "consent of the governed" from the people whose collective power is required to "back your play" is far simpler. The will KNOW or, can be easily educated to KNOW that, armed with freedom, they can, on their own turf, personally restore the "good old days", however they may define them with all whom they can get to voluntarily agree, so long as they don't impose their will on others. Let the socialists form their nirvanna. See how long it lasts without exploiting the "evil productive". Let the warmongers stand in line and march to their fascist drumbeat. See how long it lasts without exploiting the "evil productive".

The "west" is a romantic product of statist dreamtime. However it is defined, opponents will arise and have to be lobotomized / exterminated for the "good / will of the majority". You will have to deal with me and many others like me (the intelligent), the 5% of humanity who can think, conclude and act.

What can be achieved and, in actual fact is the reality underlying ALL delusions of the "good ole days" is peaceful anarchy:

"Tolerate none to be predator, nor prey" and stand your ground against all whom dissent.

It is a simple matter of displacing current "anarchists in control" by personally and collectively INSISTING that the "rule of law" be correctly interpreted / administered by those we hire (public servants) to judge, or, should they fail at this simple task, personally dissent and be, "judge, jury and exceutionar", proportionally increasing the cost of their folly until they do "get it":

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Fail at this and, we CANNOT survive, personally, nor collectively. BECAUSE survival EQUALS ability to adapt to environment EQUALS ability to choose correctly EQUALS freedom.

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Armed with freedom, "the west" is everywhere that free mankind treads.

As far as culture and society goes, I believe there is nothing new under the sun. The West is so far over the edge because we have embraced a basic false principle, that enables manipulators to take us there, for their own, or family, or class benefit. That basic principle is our currency, an important account of our social interactions. Until we take our currency back, it will be difficult to gain anything else. Likewise, if we were to take our currency back, many other problems would evaporate. If our currency is not anchored in real value, then it becomes a free tool, easily obtained by those who would deceive, manipulate and conquer for a living.