Mr. Collins main point, though it comes at the end, is that it does not matter if it was faked or not, because it is NOT important in the current scheme of things AND serves the ruling class' agenda. When one considers all that is being done to and taken away from us by a criminal and rogue government, this, and other "conspiracies" are not important.

I would add that it is about priorities. We need to now stand up, stop and take back ourselves from these bastards and not concern ourselves with these petty conspiracies

Proving that the violations of our sovereign selves and Constitutional rights are according to some "plan," means nothing because either way it needs to be stopped. [Full Stop]

Same goes for illegal immigration, abortion and gay marriage. Whatever your position on these, you are correct, but should they be THE priority right now and should you be turning and lobbying the vary institution that is everyday robbing you of your Life, Liberty and Property?

Let's stop this taking of our sovereign selves and let's take back what is ours; our Life, Liberty and Property and our dignity and then we can deal with these other things if we so deem them still important. hujel

Big fan of the Daily Bell, but I'm concerned that you may be viewing the manned lunar missions in a limited scope. (I understand your skepticism re: NASA, given the standard of bungling displayed by all other govn't agencies.)

Many folks mention "the moon landing" & speak only of Apollo 11, the ( 6 hour ? ) visit with limited TV transmissions, etc.

I invite you to explore the 'ApolloLunarSurfaceJournal' website, and if you're seriously interested, you'll purchase the DVD sets of the missions from Spacecraft Films.

Must I mail you mine ? All the footage & audio from Apollo 15, 16, 17 are especially enlightening, as each crew spent 3 days camping on our nearby Moon, and driving to various geology stops, with thousands of fully documented photos, and hundreds of hours of great TV footage transmitted from the rover camera.

I love the Daily Bell, and I understand that I now open myself up to be vilified & attacked, but I'm afraid I must stand up for Dave Scott, Gene Cernan, Al Bean, Jack Schmitt, Charlie Duke, John Young, Gene Kranz, and so many others -

No ... for some reason, humans actually did go to our planet's Moon.

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Thank you for your kind words. It is true we do not warmly tolerate feedbackers that we consider "trolls." Your missive, from what we can tell, seems well intentioned and sincere and we have no intention of attack you.

That being said, we will offer you a link of our own.

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And we will point out as before that while our regular viewers and those passing through may have made up theirs minds - individually or collectively - we will state for the record that we have reached no definitive conclusion about the NASA missions.

True, we are skeptical.

Here is the interview:

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Here is the full press conference, perhaps the single most bizarre PR event ever recorded in the annals of the US's 250-year lifespan.

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Listen to Neil Armstrong at the beginning of the clip go through a litany of contorted linguistic gymnastics to avoid mentioned "moon" and "landing." It really is remarkable.

YouTube took the video down a while ago for "copyright infringement." Glad to see it is back up. Somebody ought to copy it just for history's sake before it "disappears" again like the original moon footage. Or is "retouched" to insure "authenticity."

One needs to remember the powers-that-be created this press conference because it was pro forma. It had to be done. But certainly they never expected it would be available for public viewings over and over. Nor did they expect the rest of NASA's performances would one day be splashed on YouTube where people could critique them at will.

Believe the moon-landing was a hoax? Whether you do or not, please note the rising skepticism surrounding so many Western gambits within a historical context, from economics, to the "space race" to the Cold War itself ...

The Internet Reformation is posing increased difficulties to the memes of the powers-that-be, and that includes NASA.

Have you ever seen the "interview" with the astronauts after the so called moon landing?

Just watch their faces!

If that does not convince you it was a hoax, nothing will.

ps love the music for your liberty summit
the whole video is beautiful

GWBramhall: "Dear Abu Aardvark, Did you even view the video? One of Collins' best points was that the conspiracy theorists claim that the computer that supposedly got us there and back had less capability than that of an ordinary cell phone."

AA: Well, I didn't claim that. I'm not a conspiracy theorist either.

GWBramhall: "He says you cannot have it both ways, claiming our computer prowess was insufficiently powerful to get us there but somehow (in the pre-digital recording days) they had the power to fake all that needed to be faked."

AA: All I'm saying is that your (and S.G. Collins') claim that NASA had the means to actually land men on the moon but lacked the means to fake it - at the same time - makes no sense whatsoever.

Do I have this right? You are (and S.G. Collins is) saying that NASA had the means to actually land men on the moon ... but lacked the means to fake it - at the same time.

Huh?

Dear Abu Aardvark,

Did you even view the video? One of Collins' best points was that the
conspiracy theorists claim that the computer that supposedly got us
there and back had less capability than that of an ordinary cell phone.
He says you cannot have it both ways, claiming our computer prowess
was insufficiently powerful to get us there but somehow (in the pre-digital
recording days) they had the power to fake all that needed to be faked.
He's right that we are being misdirected to obsess on such things while
the nation is left teetering on the edge of ruin.

As for the DB comment, it is news to me that you are willing to concede
that we may have actually reached the moon and your probelem with the
program is in the pictures and such that they supposedly brought back.
There is just too much craziness in all this. I do not believe that it
is in anybody's interest to waste their time and money on such projects.
It seems there are conspiracies everywhere. Have you heard the one about
Sandy Hook?

Reply from The Daily Bell

You are free to believe what you wish. Who is to stop you? We look at elite directed history in the past 100 years and find it impossible not to doubt.

Strange isn't it, Apollo, a Roman god.

From Wiki,
Apollo - "Amongst the god's custodial charges, Apollo became associated with dominion over colonists, and as the patron defender of herds and flocks."

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Molly56,

To 'weaponize' space, suveillance and communications satellites? Maybe GPS? But why the need for manned missions after the Soviets successfully put sputnik into orbit?

I think the most powerfull reason, like most Hollywood productions is propaganda. To cement into the collective mind of the world that the US is the undisputed leader of technology. A 'resistance is futile' sort of thing. And henceforth the US did lead into a new order of the ages.

Strange Manufactured Artifact Found In Russia - Supposedly 300 Million Years Old. Click to view link

Posted by GWBramhall on 01/23/13 03:50 PM wrote: "We did not have the skills to fake a luner landing, but did have the science to put together a dangerous mission to the moon and repeated it several times over."

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Do I have this right? You are (and S.G. Collins is) saying that NASA had the means to actually land men on the moon ... but lacked the means to fake it - at the same time.

Huh?

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Strange argument when you write it down ...

I don't believe a word he says. The US moon landings do appear to me to have been a hoax. The evidence that did it for me personally was how they would have dealt with the radiation problems (cosmic rays, solar eruptions). There simply would have been no way of protecting the astronauts from that once they left the orbit of the Earth and got into deeper space.

It would be well to recall what Col. Philip Corso wrote about this in his book, The Day After Roswell: "Space travel without protection from subatomic particle bombardment might subject the traveler to the same kind of effects he'd experience if he were cooked in a microwave oven." (p. 96).

The moon landings are one of the pillars of "directed history." The wily power elite has mastered this art and has practiced it on a mostly unwary public for a long time. Their lies and distortions will not be easy to root out, but they are beginning to fall apart, and this man, S.G. Collins, whoever he is, was obviously hired to help stem the tide. The power elite has to be seriously worried about this ominous trend.

It won't work. The Internet is far too powerful for that. These demons have unwittingly and ironically unleashed the awesome, godlike power of free information upon themselves, and it will be their undoing. Isn't it a beautiful drama to watch unfold? I love seeing their fantasies get slaughtered on the net! Nothing like this information liberation has ever been seen in the history of the world!

The antidote to directed history is revisionist history. Such history reveals that not only have we been con-sistently lied to, but the power elite has conjured up a whole range of phony reality for us to dwell in, a giant labyrinth from which were never meant to emerge into the light of the truth. Revisionist history teaches that nearly everything that we have ever been taught about our history is wrong! It will be the work of years, decades, to undo the damage that the power elite has done to our understanding of history, but this task is now made easier and quicker because of the Internet Renaissance.

No moon hoax investigation is complete without an unbiased viewing of Bart Sibrel's documentaries including "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon" and "Astronauts Gone Wild."

The first includes authentic NASA footage accidentally released to Sibrel that plainly shows the astronauts on the first mission faking their near-earth orbit view of earth to look as though they were as far out in space as they claimed to be. It is date stamped to a day when they were supposed to be almost to the moon, not in low earth orbit where they actually were. How this footage can be debunked I can not see. Its irrefutable evidence.

A proper understanding of the power of the Van Allen radiation belt also settles the matter. The effects of getting anywhere near it were so deleterious to space shuttle crew that they had to retreat to a lower orbit to escape the radiation.

Oddly, one of the Apollo astronauts interviewed in Astronauts Gone Wild can't remember any adverse effects at all from passing right through the heart of the radiation belt without any lead shielding to protect against it. But the space shuttle couldn't even get near it? Most interesting indeed!

I also believe that the NASA scientists and engineers that made possible the moon missions (and other things) might have been segregated into "need to know" groups. The engineers who worked on this project (I have a cousin who was one of them) I believe did not know, or at least were not fully informed of all the details of, the weapons motive of the program. The global elites, whoever they are, seem to be bankers and royal families and such ilk. I doubt they could carry off a space program. The worker bees in science and engineering did the heavy lifting. Good on them--we can be proud. It wouldn't be the first time science is misdirected to nefarious purposes, and not by the scientists themselves...

I have never been able to articulate my opinion on what I believe to be the real moon landings, but I will try again:

1. The purpose of the space "race" was to weaponize space.

2. To weaponize space with high-tech, dangerous weapons you have got to get out there and place them, maybe even partially build them there.

3. Weaponizing space was likely to be very unpopular and undoubtedly astronomically (forgive the expression) expensive at a time when the people were supposed to believe we were no longer at war with bad guys, except of course the cold war (which could easily be fake).

4. Weaponizing space therefore had to be secret.

5. Ergo... you've got to develop the technology to build the weapons out there, but you've got to do it without raising too much debate or protest. You cannot "fake" space weapons if you want to use them. Therefore YOU MUST FOLLOW THROUGH on a space program. For real, not pretend.

6. You need a diversion to convince the world that it's all for peace and brotherhood and science. What better PR than to take a side trip (or a dozen) to the moon? Take snapshots, some video. Bring back some souveniers. You're already out there, you know.

7. Once the weapons are out there and operational, the need for the side trips is unnecessary. In fact the fact that you succeeded is a liability. Keep the weapons secret by leaking the false claim that it was impossible to explore space up there anyway. Repeat. Often.

Just my take on it...

I tend to go off the photos - there are so many problems with them (letters on rocks, identical background in different missions, crazy lighting, perectly-arranged shots, standard film was used (how does it survive the temperature?!)), yet one of the biggest problems is the sheer NUMBER of pictures they took. I read a time and motion study which worked out the average interval between each shot was 15-20 seconds. That alone tells you the images are fake. Whether they actually went or not is harder to work out but doubts are raised when you consider the 'lost' video record of Apollo 11, the 'lost' blueprints, the bizarre press conference and Armstrong's manner, the fact that NASA is not even sure they can get back to the moon at all, that NASA thinks if they were to go back it would take 20 years and many many billions of dollars (huh, they already had 6 or so successful missions?!), that they have lost more astronauts going into Earth orbit than in all the mooon missions, the moon rock that was petrified wood, the early broadcast of Apollo 11 that went out to Perth Western Australia that had a coke bottle role across the floor (the TV station was inundated with calls about it and many people swore that's what they saw) - the later broadcast didn't have this.

Like I say, I think the photo/video record was faked, can't say about the missions themselves but as the DB says, considering so much else is lies plus all the other facts, a thinking person has to have doubts.

YES, we had the technology to do it, so that guy has "drunk the Kool Aid".
I remember a video that showed how it was fake and it pointed out how it looked like the guys were on strings (yes, we had that technology) and their movements did NOT look real.
But, I don't expect to change anybody's mind. Some people just "can't handle the truth".

Reply from The Daily Bell

OK ... the technology to fake it ...

I saw the complete video and forwarded the link to DB. I knew this site had leanings toward the conspiratory theory on the moon landings and wondered if this might change a few of their minds. Apparently not!

I suppose it was not me who first brought this to their attention but the fact that this Daily Bell article appears on my screen not too long after, raises a conspriratory theory of my own!

Well, seriously, I saw the whole video and Collins' points are quite persuasive. We did not have the skills to fake a luner landing, but did have the science to put together a dangerous mission to the moon and repeated it several times over. I saw the coverage of the moon missions as a young adult. I did not see the confused greeting of the astronauts that you claim as evidence, but the real lesson of all this is just as Mr Collins said, it takes our eye off the ball on matters that are much more important and just as in the matter of the President's birth certificate, it makes the those concerned with such theories look like idiots while the country is going to hell in a handbasket with no oversight from the main street media.

In a world where we cannot get our elected leaders to accept that we are spending way too much and their answer is to take actions that will only slow economic activity, increase dependance on the government, and continue on their spending spee without the slightest concern for the danger ahead, I think we have enough to worry about without these conspiracies true or otherwise!

Reply from The Daily Bell

Where do we claim in the article that US astronauts did NOT visit the moon. We have been careful in all our articles - or almost all - to grant the possibility that US military personnel DID visit the moon.

However ...

We ARE skeptical based on how many other lies those that stand behind the US government have told and are telling as a matter of POLICY.

We did not find Mr. Collins video persuasive in the least. We note that Kubrick did a pretty good job of filming space travel around that time ...

That President Barack Obama has embargoed his personal records reportedly going back to kindergarten seems like a pretty big deal to us - even if you think it's inconsequential ...

The biggest issue in this weary world is not convincing Congress that the US is overspending but illustrating in a provable way that the world is being run by a power elite that has "directed" history for at least the last century in order to build world government.

That's the problem. The "space race to the moon" and its "success" is a surely a helpful meme for them, showing as it does that large bureaucracies like NASA are in fact in aggregate genuine, competent, courageous and kind.

That's not our impression of NASA but it seems it may be yours ...

Everything the government has ever told me has been a lie. I do not expect the truth in this one particular instance.

@Reggie - Thanks for providing an argument I had not heard before.

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Here's a wonderful, even-handed web site on the issue ...

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I don't know if the moon missions were faked entirely, but the space suit cooling systems as described by NASA could not possibly have worked.

Space is a near-perfect vacuum and therefore acts like a Thermos bottle to objects it contains. When something heats up in space, it stays hot unless something can conduct the heat away. Similarly when something gets cold in space it stays cold until it can acquire heat from some external source (like the sun).

As the astronauts jumped around the moon in the bright light of the sun, they would have heated up without limit and stayed hot more or less permanently, unless they could somehow cool themselves. We're told the astronauts used heat-exchanger backpacks (the big backpacks they seem to be wearing on screen). Tell me what was the heat exchanger interacting with to do the work of cooling? The vacuum of space? Impossible. Imagine a car radiator with no air to do the cooling of its liquid coolant - it would overheat right away.

So, no. The astronauts didn't jaunt around the moon in the light of the sun, they would have been baked potatoes by the heat alone, nevermind the radiation. The had no cooling system that would have worked.

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Here is an explanation from one of the most famous of the moon hoax debunkers ...

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How could the astronauts survive in the heat of the Moon's day? Objects that are heated cannot be cooled by space.

This is true, to a point, however spacesuits can radiate heat. All objects above absolute zero radiate heat; therefore some of the heat energy received from the Sun is radiated back into space as infrared rays. Also, much of the Sun's radiant energy can be reflected away. The astronaut's spacesuits were white because this color reflects the most radiation, thereby minimizing the amount absorbed. Finally, the spacesuits were equipped with a cooling system that utilized water as a medium to carry away excess heat.

The cooling system consisted of a cooling garment worn by the astronaut, a heat exchanger, and a porous plate sublimator. Water was circulated through tubes in the cooling garment where it absorbed heat from the astronaut’s body and then carried it to the heat exchanger in the backpack. As water passed through the heat exchanger, heat was transferred to a layer of ice on the surface of the porous plate sublimator causing the ice to sublimate and the resulting gas carried away the unwanted heat. The ice was replaced by continually seeping a small amount of water through holes in the metal plate of the sublimator. When the water was exposed to the vacuum of space, the sudden drop in pressure caused it to immediately freeze onto the plate’s surface.

Very nice production values on that video. Seems nicer than his other videos... like he got a new camera, new hat and a new video editing guy on his payroll for this very special film.

I'm surprised they don't have any celebrities contributing... maybe get that guy that did oatmeal advertisements? then people will have to believe the official story.

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Interesting observation ...