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Dorner Burned to Death? What a Collapsing Society Looks Like
Ex-LA cop hostage story renews manhunt questions ... The sheriff's department has refused to answer questions about how one of the largest manhunts in years could have missed Dorner ... According to the Reynoldses, the cabin had cable TV and a second-story view that would have allowed Dorner to see choppers flying in and out ... San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon said Wednesday that his deputies shot pyrotechnic tear gas into the cabin, and it erupted in flames. While authorities have not corroborated the couple's account, it matched early reports from law enforcement officials that a couple had been tied up and their car stolen by a man resembling Dorner. Property records show the Reynoldses as the condo's owners. The sheriff's department has refused to answer questions about how one of the largest manhunts in years could have missed Dorner. – AP
Dominant Social Theme: US law enforcement is among the most professional in the world. Its SWAT teams are among the best and brightest.
Free-Market Analysis: Was Chris Dorner burned to death in a cabin? This video tells us that story in a fairly irrefutable way. You can hear law enforcement officers calling for "burners" to be thrown into the cabin where Dorner had taken cover days earlier.
The incident itself – first Dorner's murderous revenge-oriented rampage and then his end in a cabin that was deliberately burned to the ground – provides with a taste of the destructive chaos that is lurking at the heart of US society early in the 21st century.
This is increasingly a failed republic, tortured by a tiny band of elites that wants to create world government and has apparently targeted the US for several centuries. It is increasingly obvious, thanks to what we call the Internet Reformation, that after identifying the culture and physical region as a prime impediment to their plans, top elites have generated an intergenerational campaign to destroy that culture.
It is a republican culture, antithetical to world government and even to statist solutions generally. Several hundred years of efforts to create a neo-Europe – a cowed and seemingly cooperative people – in the new world have failed, however, much to the chagrin of the powers-that-be.
Today, the US is a polarized and militarized society. But much of the militarization that had been sought for the US has basically been turned on its head by those involved in military and law enforcement affairs. These individuals, while not fully understanding the roots of US exceptionalism, are committed to defending their families and communities against federal depredations.
The US is therefore a society in crisis. The elites have a chokehold on the US government and are bleeding the country to death via out-of-control government spending on various kinds of welfare programs and, more importantly, on a vast, world-spanning military-industrial complex.
The US is an empire even though many of its citizens don't want it to be one. World government continues to be carried out using US muscle, but it is being created during an Internet Reformation that has thoroughly exposed their plans.
The power elite has traditionally used dominant social themes to control society. These fear-based scarcity themes are intended to frighten middle classes into giving up power and wealth to specially created globalist facilities that provide foundational elements for world government.
But in the Internet era these scarcity memes are often exposed as false and the power elite has fallen back on brute force – economic depression, wars and regulatory authoritarianism – in its attempts to maintain momentum for global governance.
Caught in the midst of all this is the United States, the world's dominant freedom culture and last large republic – a republic like Switzerland that relies as much on culture as actual legal structures to maintain cohesion. Despite a Civil War and endless attempts to penetrate the culture with statism, at least half of the US population, especially in the so-called Red States, remains armed and suspicious of centralized authority.
For this reason, the tragic Dorner episode seems to embody a lot of modern US trends: the corruption of the modern state, the lawlessness of law enforcement and the determination by Dorner himself to act out a kind of Hollywood movie role by taking up arms against the power he believed had illegally disenfranchised him.
Dorner actually became a kind of folk hero in the California area despite the violence – and in fact because of it – that he visited on the LA police dept. and affiliated law enforcement. His end – apparently burning alive in a small vacation cabin (if indeed that was his fate) – was also representative of the erosion of US civil society, as LA law enforcement apparently deliberately burned down the cabin.
Many may find it hard to believe that law enforcement would engage in an official policy to burn a person alive. But the FBI official that the video presents to us has no explanation for the profane calls for the cabin to be set on fire. And the article we've excerpted above from the AP reports that the LA Sherriff's Department is not commenting on the allegations.
There is no hearsay in these accusations, as law enforcements officers can clearly be heard shouting expletives and demanding that the cabin in which Dorner was hiding be burnt to the ground. The comments were made mistakenly on an open frequency.
Ironically, the cabin was nearby the command center that the police had set up to search for Dorner, who had killed one officer and wounded another in a series of revenge killings for being fired from the department. Dorner proclaimed his innocence, posted a manifesto on the Internet and began to shoot at officers that he said had betrayed his trust and allowed a corrupt and racist police force to fire him.
From the beginning the case has been a public relations disaster for the LAPD. Dorner is black and by accusing the LAPD of racism, Dorner merely further confirmed charges that are regularly made against the department by various members of Los Angeles's minority community.
In the US these days, law enforcement has reached a high pitch both in terms of laws being passed and and enforced. SWAT teams, military grade equipment, Ph.D.s offered in the area – all of these are symptoms of how law enforcement has become increasingly militarized and intolerant of civil opposition.
In the Dorner episode we find a kind of metaphor for everything that is going wrong with the US – from a desperate attempt to take revenge against injustice via murder, to a massive and incompetent quasi-militarized response that ended with an official policy that utilized targeted incendiary devices to make sure that Dorner did not emerge alive.
Conclusion: The brutality of Dorner's attacks was easily matched by the official response, it seems, and the results have doubtless left LA society more racially divided, violent and suspicious of authority than ever.
(Video from MOXNEWSd0tCOM's YouTube user channel.)
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Posted by mava on 02/17/13 01:17 PM
rossbcan,
"s oft stated, this and many other factors collapsing civilization have root cause of rogue judiciary "interpreting" the "rule of law", to MEAN (in their deluded REALITY) "rule of them".
Justice (what Dorner sought and was executed for) IS: "we all face the consequences of our OWN choices (good or bad). Injustice is to be forced to bear the consequences of the choices of self-decreed unaccountable others."
Absolutely true, every word of what you said here. Like Celente says : to them "justice" simply means "just us"... "
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Posted by James Jaeger on 02/16/13 09:34 PM
What can one expect of a society with centralized "security" under the control of a government elite in DC? Such a government trains and breeds mass killers as in the case of Dorner. And the soldiers in its standing army around the world think they can kill anyone they want whether in a midnight rampage or with the coward's weapon of choice: "drones". These abuses of centralized force are the exact reasons the Founders wanted DEcentralized force. This is why the Second Amendment says the Militia are NECESSARY. Follow the progress of our new motion picture now in production entitled, "MOLON LABE - How the Second Amendment Guarantees America's Freedom". This film is inspired by Edwin Vieira's new book, "The Sword and Sovereignty" and feature Ron Paul, G. Edward Griffin, Stewart Rhodes, Chuck Baldwin, Larry Pratt, Pat Buchanan, Jesse Ventura and others. Get details of the production and watch a trailer via the website at Click to view link
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Posted by rossbcan on 02/16/13 07:14 AM
Chris Dorner (Rogue LAPD officer)
…got in trouble for reporting LAPD police brutality, refused to let them cover it up, frustrated past the 'tipping point' in pursuit of justice. Executed by LAPD. Media subversion at its best…
His manifesto:
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read it before 'they' suppress it.
as oft stated, this and many other factors collapsing civilization have root cause of rogue judiciary "interpreting" the "rule of law", to MEAN (in their deluded REALITY) "rule of them".
Justice (what Dorner sought and was executed for) IS: "we all face the consequences of our OWN choices (good or bad). Injustice is to be forced to bear the consequences of the choices of self-decreed unaccountable others."
"Rule of Law", use it, or lose civilization (the rules by which we peacefully cooperate for MUTUAL self-interest):
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Posted by taxesbyanyothername on 02/16/13 12:18 AM
Daryl Gates was watch commander for Watts in 1965. That worked out so well they made him Chief of Police. I guess Watts wasn't big enough, they wanted a city-wide riot. I was living in Orange County in '92. It was easy to tell where the cops did their jobs and where they did not. The burning, looting and mayhem stopped at the city limits, not just of LA but of other towns as well. Obviously they have not gotten any better. I'm glad to now live in a town where the cops (yes both of them) became cops because they were tired of being layed off.
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Posted by moopst on 02/15/13 08:13 PM
One thing that should be mentioned is that Dorner made some incriminating allegations against the LAPD. They would have a strong incentive not to bring him back alive to avoid the discovery process.
The owner of the cabin might have a case for arson, in which case a full discovery of Dorner's allegations would be germaine to the litegation.
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Hm-mm. The owners will probably be "persuaded" not to bring the case.
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Posted by KyfhoMyoba on 02/15/13 07:23 PM
On a side note, I find the following interesting: approx 7000 LAPD officers, @ 40 hrs/wk = 280,000 man hrs. Approx 50 targets named/inferred from his manifesto. Approx 20 officers guarding each target, 24/7, = 20 x 24 x 50 = 24,000. 24000 / 280000 = ~ 8.5%. 8.5% of the entire LAPD tied up by one man.
All this from one man. One man with lots of tactical training, but with apparently no strategy, on a limited budget, and no help.
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Wow. Inefficiency in action.
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Posted by LewiePaine on 02/15/13 12:58 PM
Whatever one may "believe" about this event, fact of the matter is, Dorner was innocent (as he was never found guilty in a court of law.) I read a comment earlier where someone expressed gratitude for the "murderer" being "captured."
Just shows how quick and easy this country moved away from due process. I saw an innocent man murdered by a gang of criminals.
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Posted by Ol' Grey Ghost on 02/15/13 12:42 PM
"What makes gold its finest? What tempers steel to its greatest strength? What brings new life to a dying forest? Fire. So when the perils of life start to get you down, remember that God is clearing old brush, tempering His steel, and refining His gold." From funeral program
Fire is the ultimate weapon that can be used to clean up a lot of messes, like the Branch Davidian compound, the Reichstag, and Building 7. With non-flammable choices available for air-borne irritant-type weapons, of course, they went with the ones that required a lit flame.
In the early days of the Houston SWAT team where they used these type of weapons, repeatedly burning down one old house after another, the Houston Fire Department gave them a nickname: "Job security for firefighters... "
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Posted by nailheadtom on 02/15/13 10:15 AM
The Dorner affair is like nothing so much as a Mafioso gang falling-out, where a renegade foot soldier that has been double-crossed takes vengeance on his betrayers and is, in turn, eliminated. The coercion community can't abide one of its operatives testifying against another. The naive Dorner made a big mistake in bringing charges against Teresa Evans and in retribution for the inevitable outcome allegedly killed the daughter of the cop assigned to defend him and her fiance, also a cop. This entire episode took place inside the coercion community, except for the innocent souls caught in the crossfire while trying to deliver newspapers or go for a swim.
There has been an explosion of numbers of armed agents at every level of so-called law enforcement in the US, from the Secret Service, TSA, IRS, Dept. of Agriculture, even Social Security Administration on down to armed guards in schools and supermarkets. It's certainly not surprising that with that increase there should be more confrontations like the Dorner affair.
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Posted by jconn22 on 02/15/13 10:09 AM
Ben Swann reported that while the LAPD uses non-incendiary tear gas canisters, the San Bernadino County Sherriff dept does. Given the above and Ben Swann's video commentary the question remains, was the police force used justified due to an ongoing shoot out with a derranged cop killer to prevent the deaths of more cops and innocents, or was Dorner not given a reasonable chance to surrender by local cops acting derranged themselves. There are mulitple ways this can play out-- one is an investigation covers up wrong doing by the sherriff's dept., or they are charged with a crime and the stage is set do what elites are doing all over the country--merge Sherriff's and City police depts for the purpose of regionalizing local organizations into large, unelected bureacracies accoutable to appointed officials, and thus furter eroding individual rights.
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Posted by mava on 02/15/13 09:33 AM
What do we know about this?
That there was a black man running from police, running for his life.
We know that the police was intent on killing him, above all, they were never intent on capturing Dorner.
To the extent that we can believe that Dorner shot back when he was approached on Big Bear, who wouldn't?
Everything else we "know" about Dorner is a hearsay. Manifesto, put up by police and then attributed to Dorner. Irvine murders that look very much like a police setup, and have nothing to do with Dorner, also were attributed to him. As the story continued, someone worked hard to make Dorner a pariah in eyes of everyone, so that he can not possibly have anyone help him, nor have a chance to actually tell his side of the story. The only thing the police didn't do to libel Dorner, is that they didn't say he was a child molester and a child porn was found on his computer. I think they would totally use this tool as well, but someone in the police who planned the whole operation didn't want the police to be seen from that kind of angle.
Finally, the fact that the police decided to burn him instead of taking him alive, which was easily an option, tells us in no uncertain terms that the police did not want him to talk in the court.
The fact that now , predictably, the police tries to trow us yet another lie, that supposedly they burned him crisp on accident, tells us that of course the burning was done intentionally and that the reason is more important than the fact of burning itself.
So, the question is, what did Dorner knew? What guaranteed him a death sentence? Did he know anything about 9-11, or Obama?
Dorner is an example of how ANYONE can be murdered and the whole world will be on the side of police. No evidence is required.
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Posted by dave jr on 02/15/13 08:40 AM
I'll admit I don't rate the articles too often, but when I do it's based on percieved truthfullness and clarity. I gave it a 5.
