I really think that there were much more ancient civilizations than what mainstream scholars and their elite sponsors are willing to admit. The preponderance of the evidence is that they did exist.

It is evident as well that this evidence has been suppressed and withheld from us and that any revelations of these discoveries is definitely not welcome in the circles of the elites. We need to have some serious discussions as to why this is.

My own opinion is that there are two culprits working against the dissemination of the truth. The first consists of main-stream, orthodox scholars who have completely invested in the status quo. Their careers depend on careful control of knowledge by peer reviewed publications and other institutions which maintain a lock on this knowledge and support their work.

Should a radical new theory come along which could overturn decades of painstaking work and shoot their careers to hell, you can be sure that they will hunker down and ignore it if they can, ridicule it if they can't, and finally attack and threaten the upstart if they must. As a last resort, in some cases, they can end careers. Look what happened to Immanuel Velikovsky, Louis Leakey, and Virginia Steen-Mcintyre.

The second culprit is bigger and more sinister: the state. Any unorthodox development in scholarship which the elites perceive as a potential threat to public perceptions of the state is verboten. As we are all reminded incessantly and daily, the state, is the very embodiment of the status quo. The elites tell us that before the state (as they define it), there was no civilization, only savagery. The state did not begin until ca. -3000. This is the mother of all lies.

Naturally, then, elite supporters of the state abhor and resist vigorously any radical changes in orthodox views of the nature of Man and of the history of civilization. Of necessity, they must consider those issues settled and closed because they have based their agendas on them. They can't afford any deviations or backtracking from this manipulated "knowledge."

Should humanity's views change fundamentally on any critical issue because of some meddlesome maverick stirring people up with new theories about ancient things, the power of the state might be undermined in some unexpected way. And they are right!

Make no mistake, the statists will tolerate no surprises from apostate scholars or tourists if they can help it.

As we all know, the Internet is making this suppression of evidence increasingly impossible. For me, a Libertarian and a revisionist historian, this is a most welcome change.

Charles Mann's great book, 1491, has more.

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Gosh, nothing works. Pretty soon I'm going to lose faith in even the power of the Internet Reformation (tm), and just wait expectanly for our alien overlords to return. But by gosh, I certainly hope they are benevolent fans of small government! Because if they are not, what will we do? We are too sophisticated to belive in God, because obviously we evolved ourselves, through Triumph of the Will (tm), so there will be no God to help us when our Annunaki overlords decide - "you know what, I might just enslave these debased cattle".

And why shouldn't they? For in the Universal Free Market (tm), surely only the most vigorous will survive. What onus is there on them to treat us kindly? What onus at all?

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So you compare libertarianism to Nazi-ism ("The Triumph of the Will.) Big reader, huh?

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In this vid, they show the cited saw marks in the native stone / side of the mountain. They refer to them as "saw marks". Truth is, they can't be marks from a conventional saw. The blade diameter would have to be about 2 1/2 times the dept of the cut to clear the arbor and arbor washers. That would shred most of the desired stone. They have to be drill marks.
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There is much speculation that the Egyptian pyramid stones were cast. That doesn't account for the huge quarries found in many places.
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I went up to Aswan and saw a quarry,,, very impressive. I also sailed the Nile for a week on a felucca to see other ruins.

I've been to Teotihuacan several times. Neat place.
@Metacynic, I agree with you. The lack of metal artifacts from earlier ages is astounding. Strangely, there have been many metal artifacts found encased in coal,,,, from the carboniferous era,,, 200 million years ago.
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The Coso stone holds a perfect spark plug in a 200 million year old rock. But, large metal mechanisms are not found.

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You are a world traveler, Danny B.

Christopher Dunn, the American mechanical engineer and machinist, has published two books describing an incredible precision, far in excess of what was needed, in evidence in ancient Egyptian monuments. He has also noted machine tool marks visible in cut stone. Especially interesting is his observation that enormous sculptures bear perfectly symmetrical compound curve surfaces which would be impossible to sculpt by hand. Today such shapes are formed using computer guided cutting tools. Even as recently as 50 years ago such shapes would have been very challenging to cut with the machine tools available at the time.

What I find puzzling is the absence of large scale metal objects from those very ancient times. How was it possible to have very advanced construction technology and not have an equally advanced metal working industry? Perhaps no metals (other than gold) can survive tens of thousands of years.

Somewhere I read that excavations at Machu Picchu show it was originally a small coastal settlement.
The evidence from drilling and used by companies today shows that the Andes were formed by several successive uplifts over very short periods of time and that what was once at the coast is now far inland.
Imagine if your town was lifted up and moved with little to no damage, not once but several times.
Now that would be a very special place.

The sciences present one of our best examples of directed history.
Behind closed doors some professionals will talk of their inability to get funding if they don't tow the line.

Some step up to the mark and go public.
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An Interesting recent series on the BBC saying how the Pre-Inca societies showed NO visable evidence of stratification and/or dominance patterns.
Little surpise that there is no funding to investigate societies who prospered without rulers.

Yes, we're going to have to think outside the box, dismissing everything we've been taught in mainstream education.

There can be little doubt that there was a very high civilization on this planet many thousands of years ago. The Egyptian, Greek, Sumarian civilizations were a declined legacy of this civilization.

Human advancement is not linear, it's like a saw-tooth, gradually it goes up, and then BANG!, it's gone, for whatever reason, war, natural causes, disease, whatever.
Most ruins we see today (still visible) were built on top of more ancient ruins, goes for pretty much any methalitic structure around the globe.

As for the drill holes in some of the stone blocks. There's good evidence that the blocks are artificial using a process called geo-polymers (see Click to view link).

The holes were drilled when the block was still in its hardening phase, no need for diamond drill heads or any other exotic hard material. Explains the high tubular drill rates that were reported by Flinders Petrie when he surveyed the Giza Pyramids back in the 1800's.

As for the mica? A researcher by the name of Colin C McMullen (Click to view link) has some very interesting theories on this subject, in particular to the Teotihuacan site (and Giza for that matter).

The mica was used to insulate microwaves running through tunnels underneath "The Avenue of the Dead" and then into the pyramids (the pyramids themselves have slabs of mica in them).

What were the microwaves used for? To power small terrestrial and space craft...

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Thanks.Interesting.

Dear Bell, I traveled to quite a few of these ancient sites, both by road and river.
There is a youtube vid that is extremely instructive. It shows where giant stones were quarried. At the base of the removal site, there is an extensive pattern of drilled holes where the block was weakened to be later fractured away. It is a lattice-work of deep holes. There is nothing in accepted ancient technology that can produce a deep hole in hard stone.

I've drilled holes with a "star drill", a carbide drill and a diamond drill. A star drill is worked by hand but still demands steel that is far harder than Damascus steel. The holes in question were made with a diamond-impregnated steel drill. While there is coral that is harder than diamond, it would be impossible to use it as a drill.
I went to the quarry in Egypt that still holds a huge obelisk that had a fracture/fault so was abandoned. Reportedly, they used hard dolomite balls to chip away at the native rock. Doubtful. Cleopatra claimed that her namesake obelisk was produced in just 30? days.
On the scale of mohs, diamond is 5 times harder than the closest stone. Only diamond could make the drill holes shown in the vid.
The Egyptians had SOME process to make holes. Then, they pounded in a dry piece of Sycamore wood and wet it. It expanded and fractured the stone. We emulate this process today with a chemical mixture called "Liquid Dynamite".

There is a device today that appears similar to a gattling gun with multiple barrels. It was invented to cut open cement bunkers in the war. It operates like an oxy-aceteleyne cutting torch.
I'm familiar with all the old and new methods of cutting stone. None of the old methods could account for the old artifacts.
Also, there is the question of moving stones that weighed 100 tons or more. Also, the question of dressing them perfectly. It can not be done today.

In the case of Teotihuacan, there are buildings and chambers that are lined and/or insulated by mica,,, an excellent electrical insulator.
"Even more intriguing is a 4th temple found at the site deemed the Mica Temple in which large sheets of mica up to 90ft. long, were found below a stone slab floor, appearing to be functional and not for decoration. Sources have traced both Teotihuacan and Olmec mica to originate from over 2,000 miles away in Brazil. "

SOMEBODY hauled 90 ft. sheets of mica from an enormous distance.
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The book, "Seeds of Plenty, Stones of Knowledge" addresses many of these mysteries.
Ancient man used electricity but, could not produce it. His predecessors had a level of technology that rivaled and even surpassed tech of today.

The very strange thing is that we haven't found any metallic artifacts. The Antikythera mechanism being the single exception. It isn't very old though.
Fascinating stuff.

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Thanks, Danny B.

having traveled extensively through ecuador, easter island, chile, bolivia, lake titicaca and peru the pre-incan site that really knocked me down was the wall of six monoliths at Ollantaytambo in peru. Click to view link

oh and since you happened to mention the Electric Universe i thought you might find this 2 part lecture by Dr. Jerry Pollack, a professor in the bio-engineering department of the University of Washington, during the 2013 Electric Universe Conference where he discusses a fourth state of water and the new insights into electrically structured water. water and light creating energy and order, wow... you will never look at a cloud, ice or a sprained ankle again in the same light.

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Thanks, Memewatcher.

I found Graham Hancock's, 'Fingerprints of the Gods,' to be an outstanding piece of work on this subject. He traveled to Egypt, South and Central America, and Mexico. He noted the similarities in layouts of their pyramids. He noted the similarities in their myths: all had a long-haired, fair-skinned, peace and civilization-preaching, Jesus-like figure in their histories/myths.

Yep, I feel very comfortable that when the cabal gets yanked from the stage and the curtain parts, that we will be amazed at our deep, rich history, which appears to involve higher-order humans who were (mistakenly) worshipped as gods.

DB said:

"It is a fairly obvious at this point that there was a great civilization that acted as a precursor to Egypt."

The worst part of this theory, at least on my part, is that the ebb and flow of human civilization is cyclical and I strongly believe that in 200 years or less, we might find the vast majority of mankind living in caves again...

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Fits with a theory of mine...

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Another interesting point on Egypt is that the Sphinx, which may have been carved as a lion until the original head crumbled, faces a point on the horizon where the constellation of Leo once arose - in 10,500 BCE...

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It is a fairly obvious at this point that there was a great civilization that acted as a precursor to Egypt.