There is a way the millions of people potentially or actively involved with the Occupy Wall Street movement might be able to be quite effective: they could purchase common shares of stock in the public corporations and banks they disdain.

One only needs to own one share of stock in a publicly-held company to vote by proxy on corporate matters. One share of stock in most of the major corporations and banks is within reach of most people -- $25 to $125 per share. If suddenly millions of Wall Street protestors each bought even one share of say an Exxon-Mobile or a Goldman Sach's common stock, they could influence or dominate the corporation. They may even be able to shut down the companies over time.

When you own even one share in a public corporation, you get an annual 10-K and report telling you everything you want to know about the company, its officers, their pay, their bios, their posts, what they have done in the past . . . you name it.

You also get voting proxies from time to time and these ask you to vote for, or ratify, new board members or officers and all sorts of other internal company matters. Usually each voting proxy is a punch card that gives you suggestions on how the Board recommends you vote on this or that matter, appointment or financial issue, etc.

Think about it: if millions of Wall Street protesters each own a share of stock in the major corporations and banks -- especially the member banks that OWN the Federal Reserve System -- they could vote out officers taking excessive salaries, influence lobby practices, block merger and acquisition plans and close down product lines they didn't like. They could essentially do anything, even vote for the winding down and dissolution of the corporation.

If common stock in the top corporations in the military-industrial complex were acquired by millions of Wall Street protestors, the weapons divisions could even be shut down. The U.S. government could possibly be starved of weapons it is using for imperial over reach and to fight wars undeclared by Congress.

As the movie THRIVE says, for every member of the power elite there are a million of us. So use your numbers to acquire interests in the corporations and banks you feel are not operating responsibly or against the will of WE THE PEOPLE and in violation of the U.S. Constitution.(1)

James Jaeger

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(1) And don't suggest that this is already done with mutual funds. I used to work for a mutual fund and I can tell you the Fund is dominated by the resident, or out-of-house, guru. In order for the Wall Street Occupiers to dominate the corporations, not be dominated by some apologist fund manager, each individual would have to DIRECTLY own shares in the offending corporations and banks, NOT via mutual funds or any other vehicle.

"A constitutional republic is also a trap."

DB: Didn't work last time? (!) It took a civil war with literally millions dead to kill it. It seems to have worked fairly well until it was taken down amidst a bloody genocide.

So it worked fairly well for 80 years. I'll concede that. Then, a civil war ended it. I'll concede that as well. Weren't individual liberties eroded from day one (Whiskey Rebellion, etc.)? It still ended, wouldn't you agree? Do you honestly think that without a civil war we wouldn't have government creep followed by an inevitable collapse?

I believe that it was from you or some of your feedbackers that I learned that moving from the Articles of Confederation to the Constitution was something of a manipulated event. I would find it very interesting if you would discuss Confederations at some time on your site. The PE obviously rushed to get rid of the U.S. Confederation. The Swiss confederation has lasted for hundreds of years, but it has also suffered from government creep. Theory--small governments creep slower, but they still creep. If governments creep larger, then a collapse is inevitable. This is the point I have been trying to make.

Love the new style . . . kinda spurs us from banterin', to canterin', to gallopin' . . . hold on, am I continuing the bathroom humour from yesterday?

So, Hoss . . . amanfromMars and I are still talking about this subject elsewhere.

Roun' these parts, iffen a man's got sumpn worthwile to share, he comes right out with it. Iffen' he's beatin round the bush, he's got sumpn else in mind.

@DB

"* Free health care for every American,
* A free 4 bedroom home for every American family,
* 5% tax rate for 99% of Americans,
* Drastically improved public education and free college for all,
* Significantly improved public transportation and infrastructure,

The list goes on…

This is not some far-fetched fantasy. These are all things that Franklin D. Roosevelt talked about doing in the 1940s, long before the explosion of wealth creation in our technologically advanced global economy. "

David DeGraw is on a learning curve. If there were some libertarians at the general assemblies maybe they could correct some of his assumptions. To be fair Webster Tarpley whom you quote is also New Deal enthusiast. The FDR myth is fairly powerful in America.

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Yes, we know about Webster. Was hooked in with LaRouche.

@DB "Re-read the article. Adbusters stepped in back in the summer to declare a September "Occupy Wall Street" protest. That's the name the protests have. Whatever DeGraw had in mind with Anonymous is in the process of being co-opted. Anonymous was there almost from the beginning according to DeGraw. There are questions about Anonymous as well ... "

Yes I agree. I wrote the comment before I had finished the article. However DeGraw and his people were planning a similar event for September 10 at Liberty Park so Adbusters' call for action fit in well with their plans. There are now many groups involved. The 99% idea came from DeGraw but all the other direct democracy content came from Adbusters' organisers in the ways we have discussed. I agree about Anonymous but at this point it doesn't matter who is doing it.

The question is what are the IDEAS being promoted and how are they being implemented? At least that is what interests me. The people I have read about and commented on are people with IDEAS that they wish to implement. That is why I have suggested that libertarians get involved in the general assembly process to influence the discussion with their IDEAS. The Marxists who are involved may be "reformed" since I noted in another feedback that Gadhafi had left Marxism and called it "reductionist". His insight was correct and this reductionism is what gave rise I believe to the millions of deaths associated with the implementation of communism. Slavoj Zizek is I believe a reformed Marxist.

I notice in one response to a feedback you opined that I was "weirdly hopeful". (From that I take it you see no hope in these events?) I am definitely optimistic. There are a number of strands of meaning that I perceive that fit in very well with certain spiritual antecedents that I am aware of that came to completion on September 17th. This is when the OWS events began and one of the signs being held up in a photo said Bring Down The Wall.

This fit perfectly with a seven day prayer campaign that had just ended related to bringing down the walls of Jericho (Babylon) so it was an indication that these events are connected with the original collapse of the Twin Towers on September 11 and the prayer at that time issuing forth from many hearts and voices "God Bless America". There have been many other contingent indications of the moving of the Holy Spirit in the affairs of men in a very powerful way at this time and over the past ten years. Whether this will culminate in the manifestation of the sons of God remains to be seen but I believe it is connected.

This is why I mentioned the speech of Slavoj Zizek and his reference to the Holy Spirit and the meaning of Christianity being love for one another in which observation he was absolutely correct. The early Church acted in this way for a time, "having everything in common and being of one mind (consensus)" which reflects what is happening right now and what God's will is for the future of mankind. The people taking part in these events are almost certainly oblivious to these spiritual foundations but they are nevertheless moving under the influence of the Holy Spirit and seeking God's will in the overthrow of Babylon. The source of my personal hope is "Christ in you, the Hope of Glory". This is what makes direct democracy possible, when everyone has the Mind of Christ. This will only happen when the sons of God are manifested and humanity will be transformed into the image of God in Christ.

"Then his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, 'I will once more shake not only the earth but heaven too.' Now this phrase 'once more' indicates the removal of what is shaken, that is, of created things, so that what is unshaken may remain. So since we are receiving an unshakable kingdom, let us give thanks, and through this let us offer worship pleasing to God in devotion and awe." (Hebrews 12:26-28)

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OK, perfectly lucid until the spiritual stuff at the end, as usual. Anyway, we are trying to be hopeful and thank you again for all your contributions and commentary. You and other feedbackers on this forum make it it far more useful and helpful, on the whole ...

Here is the summing up of the article by David DeGraw's AmpedStatus website:

"Ultimately, all of the groups mentioned throughout this report were just the seeds that helped launch what is now known as the #OccupyWallStreet 99% Movement. As the occupation of Liberty Park continues to grow and enters it's third week, with no signs of protesters even considering leaving, the people most actively taking part are committed to remaining a decentralized leaderless movement based on the direct democratic process of deciding on future demands and actions through a consensus of those participating. In the spirit of the movement, people acting on their own have begun like-minded actions and occupations throughout the country.

The only unifying call to action seems to be:

'Anything you can do to rebel against the system of economic tyranny in a non-violent manner is welcome.'

As Anonymous A99 wrote in response to questions about their movement:

'We are a DECENTRALIZED non-violent movement. If you are looking to contact one of our leaders, go to the nearest mirror and peer deeply into it. It may take some time, but, eventually, one of our leaders will appear with answers to all of your questions.'

What more can you say?

As I'm typing this, the NYC General Assembly meeting just came to an end, I hear the sound of drums, looks like it's time for another march. An NYPD officer who supports our efforts just gave me a nod and said, 'Hey man, you better get back to the frontlines. The troops are on the move.' It's another day of battle at Liberty Park.

The occupation of Wall $treet rages on…"

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We'd like to know more about DeGraw as well. Here is something he wrote:

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What could be done with all the money that has been hoarded by the Economic Elite is extraordinary!

Let’s consider what we could do with the money that has been stolen from us. On top of what should be our average six-figure yearly income, we could have:

* Free health care for every American,
* A free 4 bedroom home for every American family,
* 5% tax rate for 99% of Americans,
* Drastically improved public education and free college for all,
* Significantly improved public transportation and infrastructure,

The list goes on…

This is not some far-fetched fantasy. These are all things that Franklin D. Roosevelt talked about doing in the 1940s, long before the explosion of wealth creation in our technologically advanced global economy. The money for all this is already there, stashed into the claws of the Economic Elite. The denial of wealth to the masses is the key to the Economic Elite’s power. Outside of outdated and obsolete economic models and theories — and incredibly short-sighted greed — there is no reason why all this money should be kept in the hands of a few, at the immense suffering and expense of the many.

Excellent! This should also put paid to the rumour that David Degraw is hiding the role of the Federal Reserve. Here is a Youtube that is featured at the article you posted:

Click to view link This launched the campaign back in March.

AmpedStatus is clearly the originator of this movement and their target is also clear: The Global Banking Cartel centred on the IMF the BIS the Federal Reserve and the World Bank.

This is as the DB has said The Big Kahuna. They have even introduced a new currency at OWS and of course the permabank. I hope the libertarians are paying attention and get involved.

I still believe that the real rulers at the centre of the web have decided to destroy their creation and replace it with a new formulation that will leave them in charge. I made this observation many months ago. Nevertheless the best laid schemes o' mice and men gang aft agley and I am convinced that this will be true in this case also much to their chagrin.

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Re-read the article. Adbusters stepped in back in the summer to declare a September "Occupy Wall Street" protest. That's the name the protests have. Whatever DeGraw had in mind with Anonymous is in the process of being co-opted. Anonymous was there almost from the beginning according to DeGraw. There are questions about Anonymous as well ...

A constitutional republic is also a trap. It didn't work this last time. Why on earth would you expect it to work the next time? People love the anarchy they have in their lives now--marriage, jobs, kids, location choices, vacations, etc. People fear the anarchy they don't yet have. I personally choose to deal with my fear of the unknown rather than relive the mistakes of the past and their easily predictable failures in the future.

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"A constitutional republic is also a trap."

Didn't work last time? (!) It took a civil war with literally millions dead to kill it. It seems to have worked fairly well until it was taken down amidst a bloody genocide.

Oh no, Gerald Celente is calling for Direct Democracy now on Zerohedge:

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Beware the call for Direct Democracy, it is a trap. Instead we need to return to the original idea of the United States government, A Constitutional Republic. The founding fathers created 'a republic, if you can keep it,' as Ben Franklin said, when asked in Philadelphia what kind of government they had given us.

The founding fathers understood that democracy was a trap,
'A democracy is nothing more than mob rule,' said Thomas Jefferson, 'where 51 percent of the people may take away the rights of the other 49.' James Madison agreed, 'Democracy is the most vile form of government.' 'Democracy,' said John Adams, 'never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide.'

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Yes, this has deep roots. Thanks for pointing it out.

I take it you haven't watched the movie then.

See the report on the origin of OWS by David Degraw at

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Professional, academic "anarchist" David Graeber and his (Gaddafi-like) "direct democracy" ... provides us with the spectacle of supposedly leaderless groups making decisions that then through some sort of osmosis become the standard for the larger whole. Again, Graeber defines himself as an "anarchist," though some of his solutions, theoretically, might find a home in Marxist or socialist practices.

Dominant social theme: You can not disconect time with ideas.

Work of Marx and Engels are based on industrial revolution in England. Friedrich Engels published In 1845 "The Condition of the Working Class in England", based on personal observations and research.

How this condition loox like?
Before British slavers traveled to Africa's western coast to buy Black slaves from African chieftains, they sold their own White working class kindred ("the surplus poor" as they were known) from the streets and towns of England, into slavery. Tens of thousands of these White slaves were kidnapped children. In fact the very origin of the word kidnapped is kid-nabbed, the stealing of White children for enslavement.

According to the English Dictionary of the Underworld, under the heading kidnapper is the following definition: "A stealer of human beings, esp. of children; originally for exportation to the plantations of North America."
Michael A. Hoffman II: "They Were White and They Were Slaves."

Tristram Hunt, author of Marx's General: The Revolutionary Life of Friedrich Engels, sums up the disconnect between Engel's personality, and those Soviets who later utilized his works, stating:

"This great lover of the good life, passionate advocate of individuality, and enthusiastic believer in literature, culture, art and music as an open forum could never have acceded to the Soviet Communism of the 20th century, all the Stalinist claims of his paternity notwithstanding."

During German revolution 1919 was set Bavarian Soviet Republic. But those guys in Germany strictly disconected their goals with bolshevix in Russia. While at the time there was still white children slavery in USA, thanx revolution 1919 there was set 8 hours working day in Germany and so on.

Story continues to this days:
Edgar Aracena, a New Jersey-based organizer for the Health Professionals and Allied Employees union, has been an activist since he was a student in the early 1980s. He said many Americans have an ideological problem with economic-based protests. "There is a fantasy in the United States that we are all middle class and we will all be the boss one day. People buy into that," he said.

Aracena said as he tries to organize workers he would characterize as the working poor, they question whether they need the protection of a union, telling him, "We are not the working poor, we are professionals."

In Europe, by contrast, Aracena said, workers proudly identify themselves as working class. So when something happens to spark potential outrage and protest, workers are clear which side of the system they stand on.

Any political and econimical system has some roots in the past. Like communism in China has roots in British colonization era, opium wars and deindustrialization of China and India.

But Tristram Hunt argues that Engels has become a convenient scapegoat, too easily blamed for the state crimes of the Soviet Union, Communist Southeast Asia and China. "Engels is left holding the bag of 20th century ideological extremism," Hunt writes, "while Marx is rebranded as the acceptable, postpolitical seer of global capitalism."[18] Hunt largely exonerates Engels stating that "in no intelligible sense can Engels or Marx bear culpability for the crimes of historical actors carried out generations later, even if the policies were offered up in their honor."

You simply can not connect everything with everything what is said. We can not blame ideas of freedom and democracy with criminals as well as we can not connect Marx and Engels with bolshevix and we can not connect national and socialism with nazis. This is area of propagandists a la FOX News. If Marx, Engels or idea of national and socialism are wrong then FOX News icons are on the same path. Nothing else just baseless ideological propaganda to cover crimes.

Go ahead and start quoting from "The Condition of the Working Class in England" and "They were white and they were slaves," White cargo, To hell or Barbados.
We can also look at Ludlow massacre; Rock spring,WY massacre; or West Virginia coal miners war. Were there Marx/Engels involved? I 've never heard about it. I would like learn something new.

When people are tryin' to protect themselfs from borderless exploitation and crimes there is easy to mark 'em as commies, marxists, nazis, bolsheviks. Then it is not understandable why there is so much hallo about 1%-5% versus rest of american folx. If we take it by historical reality then those people who do it are marxists and commies and it is OK that american dream is shrinking. Seems to me that occupy Wall Street has the same backround as Marx/Engels were talking about. Like it or not.

"Over at websites such as those controlled by Alex Jones there is interesting reporting on a socialist takeover of Occupy Wall Street."
Dominant social theme: MIDDLE-CLASS FANTASY?

For all the sympathy it inspires, the movement may struggle to build mass participation.

Edgar Aracena, a New Jersey-based organizer for the Health Professionals and Allied Employees union, has been an activist since he was a student in the early 1980s. He said many Americans have an ideological problem with economic-based protests. "There is a fantasy in the United States that we are all middle class and we will all be the boss one day. People buy into that," he said.

Aracena said as he tries to organize workers he would characterize as the working poor, they question whether they need the protection of a union, telling him, "We are not the working poor, we are professionals."

In Europe, by contrast, Aracena said, workers proudly identify themselves as working class. So when something happens to spark potential outrage and protest, workers are clear which side of the system they stand on.
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Dominant social theme2: Alex Jones is lost in labyrint of ideologies.

Alex Jones reminds me one of the greatest books: FROM THE ASHES OF ANGELS, The Forbidden Legacy of a Fallen Race, By Andrew Collins.
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From Click to view link: "First and foremost, you have to be able to put aside what is considered to be mainstream thoughts and beliefs about archeology, human evolution, and the beginnings of this world to even begin to enjoy Mr. Collins' fine work. His work is set up to help you question, think and most importantly, challenge the norm. From the Ashes of Angels is no different. Admittedly, some of the chapters repeat previously mentioned information, but it's organized to help even the most ingrained, stubborn believer in seeing that there is more to our past than what's found in the history books. In fact, history books don't even cover 1/10th of the truth. Remember, history is written by the victor's and I believe that most of Collins' work sees both sides, presents it in a concise and easy to follow package and allows the reader to make his/her own mind up."

Instead of DB Mr Jones strictly follow indoctrination from elementary school where they explained him how is capitalism gr8 and commies are from hell.

After I send him few emails Mr Jones in one of his interviews when was refering to Wall Street as commies added:"... they even are not commies."
Good morning Mr Jones. But thnx Mr Jones, I love this song, american workers are lost with him in labyrinth of ideologies and misleadings.

Always keep in mind: DAP later NSDAP was created by elitist Thule Society to break down movement of working class and put them to each other throat. Final stage was done when baron Rudolf von Sebbotendorf set fire on Reichstag, was arrested, but innocent commies had been executed. The same commies who were protested against WW1 and organized German revolution 1919.
I guarantee you that Mr Jones have no idea about it.

"The object of our ARG is to have fun playing it. If it catches on, then we will have won."

OK then. I wish you fun. You understand that as far off as we have been dragged from the original monetary rules by central banking gamers, your solution is pretty much the same as their goal. Is that how you intend it to be?

Risk is war. Agent Weebley is Peace. Sure, it's a Great Game, and we're all playing it, whether we like it or not.

The object of our ARG is to have fun playing it. If it catches on, then we will have won.

Ever play the game of Risk? I wouldn't trust my Mother in that game.

But I see what you are doing, life is just a big game to you? What is the object of the game? How do you win?

Ever played Monopoly? I thought so. Were you ever the banker? Thought so. How did you act? Did you steal from the pot? Thought not. Everyone began with the same amount of money, but some people did better than others. That's life. But it was fair.

The thing I have learned very recently, is that Metaforia is a template. Not mine, but everyone's.

Have you spent much time researching the history of money? I suggested that Ingo go here to watch an almost 2 hour video "The Secret Of Oz," by Bill Still, but he has not got back to me yet. It makes a lot of sense.

Watch it here, on amanfromMars' site:

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You should ht the hay right now and watch it tomorrow, then find me somewhere on the interweb to talk about it. amanfromMars' site is a good safe spot for me right now.

Here . . . not so much. DB is going to get angry at me for monopolizing the thread again . . . and you don't want to see him angry! He's worse than Bill Ross! Love ya, DB and Bill!

Bye.

PS: love and trust is earned from 0 to 18 mos from YOUR MOTHER. Do you love your Mother? Thought so.

But we have not got to economy yet.

I'll trust you a little bit. And as you make good, I'll trust you more. And if I want you to trust me more, I'll make good. Nobody programs it, we earn it little by little. Nobody is born with it, it requires effort. Life requires effort. 1/7th means nothing.

Money is not "issued" to begin play. Money represents the efforts of others. If you are entitled to anothers effort, then how much of yours are they entitled to? If you want to be protected from others stealing your production (efforts), then you have to be willing to protect (honor) anothers production.

If we just "issue" money, it will not have any worth. Why would you you give me a cut of your hunt for some fiat that I was issued, when you already have your own fiat that was issued?

Unless we were not created with the equal right to exist on this earth, then we have to start here.