We've had the constitution for couple hundred years and look were we are now, why? Because the union of states arrangement is wrong from the start. Freedom comes from separation, Let the union dissolve and the states become at least 50 different sovereign nations. Globally there should be at least 1400 different nations.

We need zombies!

The "Young Turk" serves a far different constituency from his confreres in his so called progressives' movement, His "descendency" has a greater claim on his direction than he admits.

In this, he is no different from his sponsors, including George Soros. These two espouse social agendas they promote as secular but they are wedded to a great anti-western movement now more than a thousand years old. There are great cultural similarities in Eastern Europe (Soros' native area} and the Levant, nurturer for the "young Turk". The Byzantine/Ottoman Empire had a hand in making capitalism the reigning economic force in the West but lost control of it and has schemed ever since to get it back, by hook, crook or a new religious dicta!

Islam waits in the wings, bolstered by the daily failures of credit, interest and insurance in our economic system since all three are verbotten to its religionists as offensive to Allah. They have a large christian contingency that believes as they do As a matter of fact, all socialists are already in their camp re this and although declared secularists, their founders(Marx, Engle, the Wesleys, Methodists) grew them by emphasizing the Bible's basic proscriptions against these financial interests.

Since WWII, such confluences have grown, found others to believe, prepare their coming assault and takeover of our "morally bankrupt and sinful" approach to financing the world. Their last and greatest conquest was the Vatican itself, thanks to Vatican II, its outreach to the world! The last Pope signalled his choice with his fateful Damascus visit to the Grand Mufti whn both went to the great Mosque to pray together, not to the Catholic Cathedral. The Church wants to canonize him now!

The people have no say in this other than to demand what was promised, wise or foolish, be carried out. There is no way to deny them without accepting defeat and anhilation and so all our leaders must temporize, print money, juggle values until a new religious contagion turns all of us inward, reviling our pursuit of pleasure as the life our creator meant for us.

The number boys are betting that will never happen but there are cautions even for them: The Wars of Terror or as we put it, Wars on Terror! Why are so many Islamites throwing their lives away for Allah!!!!!Its heady stuff!

Most people out there don't understand how truly dangerous and possibly ruinous a ConCon would be at this point.

Most people are under the false assumption (thanks to the modern day education system and the media) that we live in a democracy. We don't! It is a Constitutional Republic.

They've been taught all of these misconceptions on what was originally intended for this country, and also because of events and people (like the criminal authoritarian Abe Lincoln) from about 1850 on.

The Reconstruction era (circa 1865-1880) was loaded with revisionist histories and mis/disinformation that were taught in the schools and to society as a whole.

Foremost of those being that the Civil War was fought to end slavery. This is one of the biggest lies still being foisted upon the American populace. The Civil war was about Lincoln (and his Flying Brethren - look that up) following his scumbag mentor Henry Clay's ideologies (mainly of corporate subsidies - railroad subsidies at the time) that the Federal Government should have centralized power and absolute control of the economy by essentially abolishing the 10th amendment - state's rights.

The founders so abhorred the idea of a democracy that they spent a few years in heated (and sometimes anonymous) debates on what form of government we should have, until finally they looked the the Roman concept of a republic, which is a representative form of gov't and adopted the most eloquent form to date.

Because of certain laws and treaties that have been passed since 1850, and the advent of the Civil war, we no longer function as a Republic, but a Corporate Democracy. Our constitution was literally suspended when Lincoln declared a state of National Emergency and has not been restored since; the Federal Gov't, state gov't all the way down to local municipalities are now corporations - and because of the 14th amendment, we ("citizens" - a corporate term; note that prior to the 14th, we were referred to as "the people") are the literal property of the corporation known as the Federal Gov't.

As Ben Franklin is often (maybe incorrectly) attributed saying: "Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for dinner. A republic is a well-informed lamb contesting the vote." To further explain, watch this video: Click to view link

I doubt many people have ever read the Federalist Papers, much to their detriment. It is a long, and even a boring read, but absolutely necessary if you want to learn the proper role of our gov't and it's intent.

We have strayed so far from these principals and are so misinformed as a whole that if a ConCon is assembled, it would mean the end of what we should understand as a Republic. Only to be replaced by a Democratic quasi-communist/quasi-socialist nightmare of minority right suppression, massive subsidies, massive entitlement system that I, nor any of us can even begin to fathom.

I could go on further, but I won't. I think the gist of my point has been made. And the only thing I can say to those out there who still think this is a good idea, DO YOUR RESEARCH AND CONSIDER!!

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Very good!

A Constitutional Convention, at least, offers a peaceful chance to make meaningful changes. Everything else will be an armed conflict (like a civil war).

As for me,

- I would like to see an American Pinochet coming to power. Somebody must clean the filthy house

- I hate elitists of all colors and shapes.

Bob, I daresay you would not think it so great if one of the Amendments passed were " Henceforth all people named Bob shall serve those named Hog."

A stupid but simplistic analogy... ...

Do you really think it a good idea to open Pandoras Box in this politically heated day and age.

turned it of after 30 seconds. awful agressive stuff.

Drawing people with varied complaints from the periphery to the forefront can only be good. Once they are drawn in, they will mill around OWS and be seduced into confusion. That sense of purpose they arrived with will be long gone once they get a taste of other people's ideas.

We have a few headless chickens running around already . . . Assange . . . Captain Black and that set-up guy he had with him, I've forgotten his name already, but he was definitely some sort of Mysteron. . . oh, and that tanned guy with a production video from a while back.

Today, we have a new yesterday's man. I thought he looked pretty cool . . . like a warrior from 500 with a brolly. And that custom hoody . . . or is it hoodie? Very "today."

I liked it. I liked it.

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What is wrong with a Constitutional Convention? Nothing. Let us have people to be heard.

People believing in democracy should applaud to people rights to contribute to a legal system they are living under. But elitists think differently: they would rather be blue-blood royalties telling to the rest of us what is good for us. No thank you.

The USA are on a collision course with the reality. The present system cannot continue either economically & politically or domestically & internationally. Something must happen. But What?

After all, we should not forget that the American Constitution was written by slave-owners, thieves, and other criminals. America strongly reminds me the former USSR where hypocrisy, fraud, and brutality ruled the society and people lives.

Now who would be directing history here, and for status-quo circus-tent-building whom? In town for how many days? uhuh, until teardown of nationhoods, ok i see. Don't worry folks nothing to see here but clowns.

Remember they are only a very small subset, outside the sustainably civil norm.

Steroids I expect, as the social soldier likes it twisty-ist...

See at the bottom of Click to view link site made by...

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You too can build a nation of ?, under the watchful eye of

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which sits in what used to be an IP address block used by - oops nearly said too much.

It is amazing how quickly empty shells pop up to tease and tempt, frustrate and frame, as a panic reaction to a small comment made.

Mouse knocks self out with knee-jerk reaction.

Until there are manners in the process, here is something to lighten the load, and I would only change one word in the lyrics.

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what a bunch! this is a clip to be sent to AFV. interestingly enough, this phony man went to Columbia and Penn. University to get a law degree. Another reason to doubt his real intentions.

Muddying the water.
Hegelian dialect, right left paradigm, controlling both sides of the opposition.

Corporations are not "people", they are "persons."
Legal definitions may be very different than the meaning of words we are accustomed to.
Legal definitions are also a means of writing, or rewriting law. An arbitrary and capricious means of law, which could be defined as tyranny.
person
n. 1) a human being. 2) a corporation treated as having the rights and obligations of a person. Counties and cities can be treated as a person in the same manner as a corporation. However, corporations, counties and cities cannot have the emotions of humans such as malice, and therefore are not liable for punitive damages unless there is a statute authorizing the award of punitive damages.
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"When words lose their meaning, people will lose their liberty."---Confucius, 500 B.C.---

Look at the 14th Amendment and see the use of the term "persons".
With the legal definition of person, and the 14th Amendment, it should begin to become obvious as to some of the implications of corporate / government relations.

So it would seem, that a new Amendment is not necessary. Merely a definition.
Useful idiots, chanting in unison out of ignorance, for a Constitution Convention, are the same co-dependant useful idiots that will enable the destruction of what liberty remains.
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Mike

Good grief! I could not watch it all. This guy even looks like intel.
Our local OWS gang (about 100) are down on the lot adjoining and belonging to Chase bank, who not only gave them permission but seems to making things nice and cozy. What are these protesters thinking? Brainwashed!

Weak minds of the chanters. They will willingly follow this pied piper over the cliff.

When people recite something back as in chant I immediately think of the term mesmerize. I then think a mesmerizer wants power over one. In this version of mesmerization (Cenk Uygur) my gut - understand it is only gut and therefore mine alone - instinct is that while he is creating this recitement listening to people recite it back (after only three words - what's next? After every syllable?) I can only think he is laughing inside at these no minds hanging on the his every word(s). Analysis - he wants something for himself (or his group) and needs the mindless masses's support (whom he will immediately abandon after getting what HE needs because the masses are too stupid and who wants stupid people along for the ride [incredible the way an elite mind thinks])- therefore - do not listen to a word he says - it is all suspect. (How come this group isn"t doing the kindy-garten, hand-puppet-mouth, arms in the air thing - all in unison? Scary sh%t that is).

Agreed

The Alyona (Alyona Minkovski)show on RT has a young lady on fairly often that also belongs to this group. She also spreads the better government yarn. For that matter so does Alyona. In fact if one watches closely one can see her show and the RT channel ever so slowly swing left.

I wonder why these groups would believe a new and improved constitution would be adhered to any better than the present one? It should be obvious that a convention would be a dream come true for the power hungry Feds. We wouldn't have men of honor as we did in the past rewriting it. The same corporations they claim to despise would most likely be writing it as they do with everything else.

That monkey is cranked up real tight, by some form of biker crank or cocaine.