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Israel in Charge?
If Americans have lost their country to organized Jewry, they lost it slowly and imperceptibly. Indeed, most Americans remain unaware that their country no longer belongs to them. They fervently believe they still live in a democracy. This was a takeover not without precedent, however. It had happened to Germany. It had happened to Russia. It has now happened to America. Take Germany and Russia. Germany, a mere shadow of what it might have been, is now a defeated and demoralized nation, thoroughly browbeaten by Jewry and terrified of their masters in Israel. Without stretching it too far, one could say that Germany has become Israel's cash cow. There is nothing particularly controversial about this observation. It had occurred to Eustace Mullins over twenty years ago: To finance the State of Israel, which was created as a direct result of the Jewish victory over the Christian nations in World War II, Jews now imposed enormous "reparations" demands on the conquered German people. To date, they have extorted more than thirty-five billion dollars from German workers, money which has been collected at the points of bayonets, not Jewish bayonets but the bayonets of the American Army, which has been maintained as an occupying force in West Germany for nearly four decades, solely to provide military power behind the puppet German Government which has as its primary function the furnishing of money for the parasitic state of Israel. -Rense
Dominant Social Theme: Israel runs the world, creates directed history and the truth ought to be explained right now.
Free-Market Analysis: Dr. Lasha Darkmoon is the author of this article, and she seems to us to be a committed and passionate women as well as talented poetess. She is by no means alone in her visceral hatred for Israel and for "world Jewry" in general.
Yet this is a growing problem in our view – a problem because it may be playing into the hands of those who have seemingly organized modern anti-Semitism and who are encouraging it for their own purposes. The language and the analysis pro-offered by this article is along lines that we have been discussing these past months.
From our point of view, Dr. Darkmoon is enunciating and elaborating on a kind of dominant social theme – one likely encouraged by the great central banking families that are attempting to run the world. These families are Zionist (in the sense that they created modern Israel) and have helped stoke global anti-Semitism in order to hide behind it.
But these families, Zionist though they may be within the classical definition of Zionism (those who want a Jewish homeland), are actually USING Zionism. Zionism in their hands – the yearning of Jews (some Jews) to return an ancient Israel – has seemingly been reconstructed as a promotion.
The idea is perhaps to encourage a backlash against Zionism in order to create a state of tension in the Middle East (and virtually everywhere else) that can lead to a regional and even global war. The families and their fellow travelers have evidently and obviously used their vast resources to take charge of other countries and to control them – specifically America, Britain and Israel, and to a lesser extent most of continental Europe, the developing world and even Asia and China. You can see yesterday's article here: "Is It the Fault of Zionists?"
Within this context, both Zionism and anti-Semitism are probably most useful to the elites who have helped create their modern forms. Dr. Darkmoon is enunciating this meme eloquently because of her anger over the Jewish state and what it has done to Palestinian families – and to others as well via 20th century wars and now the war on terror. But in our view she is blaming Israel and Jews generally for problems we believe are caused by central banking families, their associates and enablers. Here's some more from the article:
Given that the Jews managed to achieve almost complete control of Germany and Russia even before the foundation of the Jewish state in 1948, it must surely be obvious that their executive power has increased exponentially with the acquisition of a military base in the Middle East, armed to the teeth with the deadliest nuclear warheads, many of these of 9 European capitals and some of them probably at the United States.
It would be foolish to think that a country that killed Americans in cold blood in the USS Liberty attack of 1967, would have any scruples about doing so on a much vaster scale if ever America became the object of their hatred. It is important at his point to consider the hidden facts surrounding the foundation of the state of Israel, if only because this will help us to get a better perspective of the Jewish problem.
The Jews were given Israel on the tacit understanding that most of them would go and live there, leaving the rest of the world Judenfrei or Jew-free. They reneged on their collective promise however-made implicitly on their behalf by their then leaders Theodor Herzl and Chaim Weizmann-and they prefer now to regard Israel as a second home and place of refuge if things get too hot for them elsewhere.
Israel's first president, Chaim Weizmann, wrote in his memoirs: Whenever the quantity of Jews in any country reaches the saturation point, that country reacts against them. [This] reaction cannot be looked upon as anti- Semitism in the ordinary or vulgar sense of that word; it is a universal social and economic concomitant of Jewish immigration, and we cannot shake it off.
Again, we simply don't agree with this analysis. It wasn't "Jews" who took over these regions; it was SOME "Jews" (and some others) ... or more precisely "Money Power." Here is the bottom line: There are a group of central banking families, putatively Jewish (or Khazar), as well as their associates and enablers (including apparently Black Jesuits and non-Jewish European nobility) who seek one-world government as soon as possible.
They apparently intend to attain their goal by introducing a maximum amount of chaos into this world, including war and economic calamity. They've done it before, and Israel, Zionism and anti-Semitism are tools they employ. Those who adopt these memes are actually assisting in the very thing they wish to fight.
These FAMILIES may have created Israel not for the sake of world Jewry but possibly to provide a venue for further inflammation of Middle East wounds – and also for purposes of organizing yet another secret service that would work for them as does the CIA and MI6. There are various advantages to owning and running a country if one can afford it.
It is not, perhaps, Israel that is responsible for sins Dr. Darkmoon enumerates – not Jews, generally, and not even Zionists in our view. It is a kind of Mafia, a cartel with unlimited amounts of money and a determination to use Jews for certain purposes as they use other entities to create fear-based memes. The Jews within this context and paradigm are manipulated again by leaders who have done so before. There is historical precedent.
Zionism and anti-Semitism have an ancient history in the Western world but in our view the Anglosphere power elite has repurposed them. Ironically, by adopting their creations and vocabulary, those who oppose the schemes of the elite actually may be supporting their advancements.
Conclusion: We know this is not a popular view among portions of the 'Net intelligentsia, but we are grateful to the Internet for the ability to present it and elaborate upon it. Dr. Darkmoon as we wrote previously, is angered for reasons that many would consider most legitimate. And yet we would argue it is rarely if ever good to blame an entire people for the actions of a few powerful ones. In fact, it may tend to degrade the entire argument and make serious issues involved less credible.
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Posted by turtle on 11/04/11 04:16 PM
@ And I just read Meme's post and your response.
Silly. Again, nowhere has he "endorsed the article."
bang bang bang bang bang... ...
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Right. We need to re-examine the matter now that YOU have brought it to our attention. Again, thanks so much. Your aid is literally irreplaceable and surely proffered with the same generosity and general charitableness of spirit as Memehunter's - so long as you are not a Jew, anyway.
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Posted by turtle on 11/04/11 04:10 PM
@DB: I have not used the term "world jewry". You introduced it which is why I am asking you to define it.
If I had to try: I would say the general population of the jews of the world... (please offer me your opinion if you disagree)... So you have a problem with articles linking World Jewry with Zionism. No one here is arguing with this as far as I can tell. Perhaps you did not understand the"dumb generalistaion" bit from my earlier post.
Anyway, this is a point you have already made repeatedly (I have lost count of the articles over the past month) so to keep bringing it up and banging it like a tired old drum does not add anything new to the discussion. Instead when people do bring something new to the debate, you seem to misinterpret what thay are saying, grab your drum and start banging away at it again. To set up an argument which is obvious from the start and keep returning to it is a fairly base rhetorical technique from otherwise honourable men (... or women). I am still not sure of the purpose but thus far I am giving you benefit of the doubt.
One last question would you agree with Wikipedia's definition of "pharisaical" as this is a term that you do use a lot.
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The origins of the word seem unclear but looks a lot like Pharaoh. Amen
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Yes we are probably going to abandon the word pharisaical which is a kind of made up word and go with Cartel/Mafia to describe the central banking families and their Jewish/Non Jewish enablers and associates
But as you seem to believe generally that "all Jews" and "all Zionists" are equally at fault for today's disasters, you needn't bother about all that. You can simply declare that Jews and Zionists are to blame and cover the proverbial waterfront.
And, hey, thanks for giving us the benefit of the doubt, whatever that means. So kind.
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Posted by memehunter on 11/03/11 01:53 PM
Steve Campbell: "With Israel and the Zionist-dominated U.S. and NATO gearing up to destroy Iran with nuclear weapons (all under the umbrella of the demonic oil cabal and those master puppeteers, the pinnacle of evil incarnate, the world money powers), it should be made known to the world of yet another fabrication as an excuse for war."
"With Israel and the Zionist-dominated U.S. and NATO gearing up to destroy Iran with nuclear weapons"
A fair question to DB: why do I get "tarred and feathered" when bringing up these issues if you agree with Mr. Campbell? Could it be that personal feelings are standing in the way of objective opinion? In other words, if Memehunter says something, DB has to disagree and attack no matter what, even though they in fact agree with very similar statements made by other posters.
That surely does not strike me as being very logical. I would at least expect the DB to be consistent, i.e., if they disagree with me on something, it would make sense that they would also disagree with other feedbackers making the same statement. Is this too much to ask? Otherwise, we are truly beyond reasonable debate...
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Posted by turtle on 11/03/11 01:09 PM
DB: "Hm-mm, wow, Turtle. We argue that the constant use of terms like Zionism and World Jewry are muddying the message of alternative 'Net news and suddenly we are part of a CIA factory? We argue that the use of such terms is inflammatory and makes people who might otherwise be attuned to some of the messages of the alternative news media uncomfortable and even dismissive and suddenly we are infiltrators? Amazing."
You give me far too much credit. I will take it as a compliment.
So what would be DB's definition of "World Jewery"? ... . before we all get tripped up by semantics (not semetics : ) again.
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What would YOURS be?
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Posted by Steve Campbell on 11/03/11 09:06 AM
Posted by nithsdale on 11/01/11 05:12 PM
"To Timur
If you think that Islam is not a threat to jews, you have not been reading anything the last ten years. You can't just be fixated on "I don't know what" when the leaders of Iran talk about anhilation of Israel. but no matter, people in Israel know it and keep prepared."
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Another fabrication for war
To the Editor:
With Israel and the Zionist-dominated U.S. and NATO gearing up to destroy Iran with nuclear weapons (all under the umbrella of the demonic oil cabal and those master puppeteers, the pinnacle of evil incarnate, the world money powers), it should be made known to the world of yet another fabrication as an excuse for war.
'Across the world, a dangerous rumor has spread that could have catastrophic implications. According to legend, Iran's President has threatened to destroy Israel, or, to quote the misquote, 'Israel must be wiped off the map.' Contrary to popular belief, this statement was never made, as this article (by Arash Norouzi) will prove.' (According to Click to view link.) [ Click to view link ]
The words 'map,' 'wipe out' or 'Israel' were never spoken.
On Oct. 25, 2005, President Ahmadinejad delivered a speech at a program titled 'The World Without Zionism.'
'In his speech, Ahmadinejad declares that Zionism is the West's apparatus of political oppression against Muslims. He says the 'Zionist regime' was imposed on the Islamic world as a strategic bridgehead to ensure domination of the region and its assets. Palestine, he insists, is the front line of the Islamic world's struggle with American hegemony, and its fate will have repercussions for the entire Middle East.'
'He concludes by referring to [the late Ayatollah] Khomeini's unfulfilled wish: 'The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time. This statement is very wise.' This is the passage that has been isolated, twisted and distorted so famously. By measure of comparison, Ahmadinejad would seem to be calling for regime change, not war.'
You would do well to spread this message far and wide to possibly avert more psychopathic insanity from those conscious-less [conscienceless], cold-blooded killers who are working overtime to enslave humanity in their 'New World Order.'
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Yes, thanks, we've written about this "mistranslation" which has been used as a pretext for more US bellicosity.
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Posted by memehunter on 11/03/11 02:54 AM
DB has brought up the "race" strawman time and time again, hoping that a bit will stick, even though they themselves admit that the concept of a "Jewish race" is probably meaningless. It is clearly "misinterpretation being used to control a debate", but I am getting used to it by now.
I agree with you, the search for truth and understanding requires extreme open-mindedness. One can never be too open-minded (although you must retain a healthy skepticism at all times, of course). I did a lot of research and reading to get where I am now (and I am grateful to DB for having opened my eyes, along with many other websites, books, and aticles), and I still have a lot to learn.
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There are significant questions about who and what is a "Jew." But that does not stop you from endorsing an article featuring "World Jewry." What more is there to say?
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Posted by memehunter on 11/03/11 02:37 AM
Thanks for the links - this might be an eye-opener for some readers.
No comments from Abu Aardvark, I note...
No comments from DB as well - but this should not surprise me as it might undermine their position (though I will admit, in DB's favor, that there are legal difficulties with discussing this topic).
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Good Lord, assume there are questions about the Holocaust and its reality. You believe somehow that establishing the truth of something questionable undermines our position? You believe that making truth from a lie makes "Zionism" and "World Jewry" - your endorsement not ours - LESS of a promotion. In fact, long ago, we already discussed issues regarding the Holocaust, and census data in Eastern Europe that tells an interesting tale.
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Posted by memehunter on 11/03/11 02:33 AM
DB: "Memehunter has lately endorsed rhetoric that blames "World Jewry" for abashing and oppressing both America and Germany. This is your "search for truth and understanding?" This is your "open-mindedness?" Really?"
What? Where does this come from? I never used the expression "World Jewry", this is a typical DB construct. If this is related to Ms. Darkmoon's article, I note that DB wrote an entire article about Ms. Darkmoon's efforts, and I wrote: "What if she was partially or even mostly right?".
I would politely ask that DB to try to be careful when representing my positions to a third party (i.e., not in a direct reply to one of my feedbacks, etc... ).
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"What if she was partially or even mostly right?".
When is an endorsement not an endorsement?
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Posted by Robnen on 11/02/11 11:58 PM
And you can get up to 10 years prison time for heretically questioning this new religion of holocaustianity in a large part of Europe, which Jewry has striven mightily to supplant for Christianity in the west. The sacrifice of the sole redeemer replaced by the sacrifice of the martyred 6 million. Not that Jews have any power over us... naaaaaah... ... .
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Posted by Steve Campbell on 11/02/11 05:44 PM
Posted by Abu Aardvark on 11/01/11 11:51 AM
memehunter:"This is of course assuming the validity of the mainstream view of the concentration camps."
While there are questions, apparently, regarding the actual numbers of ("jewish" or not) victims and the "techniques" used on them, substantial records leave no doubt - to me, anyhow - that a forced-labor-gulag-system was established and operated by the Nazis ... and millions perished in it.
The Persecution of Revisionists: The Holocaust Unveiled
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The Facts About the Origin of the Concentration Camps and Their Administration
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Judea Declares War on Germany: A Critical Look At World War II
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Exploring the Occult Origins of Crucial Holocaust Dogma by Dr. Harrell Rhome
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The Auschwitz 'Gas Chamber' Illusion by Nicholas Kollerstrom, PhD
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Online Book:
LECTURES ON THE HOLOCAUST BY GERMAR RUDOLF
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David Cole - Incredible Auschwitz Revelations
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One Third of the Holocaust
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Auschwitz - Myth and Facts
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Is the Holocaust a Hoax?
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Interview With Professor Robert Faurisson
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Exposing the Holocaust Hoax Archive
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Eustace Mullins - The Holocaust Explained
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The Holohoax
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The Magically Disappearing Mass Graves Mystery
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The Hoax of the Twentieth Century by Arthur Butz
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Holland - Popular Jewish Journalist Micha Kat: Puncture the Gas Chamber Lie First, Then the Rest
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Posted by turtle on 11/02/11 04:08 PM
@ DB: Gently, gently, one tars a "race" ...
I am going to pick this one up for memehunter, as this supports my point about misinterpretation being used to control a debate.
If its deliberate then you folks are "in on the game", if not then you have a persecution complex because this is not at all an attempt to tar a "race" but a search for truth and understanding.
If you want to fix a problem (or at least defend yourself from its implications), you first need to understand it otherwise you are wasting your valuable time and energy chasing phantoms or taking measures which serve no purpose .
I remain very open minded on these issues... perhaps too open minded. The search for truth in itself is a costly exercise but we owe it to ourselves to do it properly. Unfortunately the vast majority of people are so busy with their jobs, friends, families, lives that they have neither the time or effort to do this search. They are have little choice but to believe what they are told WHEREVER that might come from.
OK enough - back into my shell to watch Benjamin Freedman.
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Memehunter has lately endorsed rhetoric that blames "World Jewry" for abashing and oppressing both America and Germany. This is your "search for truth and understanding?" This is your "open-mindedness?" Really?
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Posted by samix on 11/02/11 03:16 PM
DB, that was not the point that I was trying to make, it just occurred to me that this video may prove to be a good resource for you.
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Oh, apologies if we misunderstood. Thanks.
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Posted by samix on 11/02/11 06:29 AM
DB, here is a good video to watch about Israel Click to view link
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Thanks, you may believe that Israel is the bastion of "organized crime" but somehow we tend to think it's larger than that - and elsewhere as well.
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Posted by memehunter on 11/02/11 02:38 AM
@ TimurTheLame, Turtle and Spectator:
Thank you for your comments. Although I am not writing here with the expectation that my comments will be appreciated by the majority, it is always nice to see that a few readers see some value in them. As for being a gentleman, I'm not sure that I always lived up to that billing in my interactions with DB, but I will say that I would have gladly left out the JBS/McManus issues out of yesterday's discussion. As Turtle pointed out, it is sometimes difficult to have a constructive debate on this topic in these pages.
Turtle: "I would like to hear more from those of the Jewish faith themselves."
If you have not already read them, you can access the writings of self-identified Jews Benjamin Freedman and Jack Bernstein (not the boxer with the same name on Wikipedia) online. Highly recommended.
A bit of personal history: My mother comes from a Jewish background, even though she is not a religious practitioner (and never was as far as I understand, except perhaps in her childhood). Several members of her family died during World War II, including my grandfather. So, perhaps not unlike Mr.Wile whose previous experiences "add to his fervor to expose the power elite and their societal manipulations" (from his bio), my own background may explain my fervor to understand this phenomenon.
@ Bluebird: As far as I am concerned, I do not advocate "blaming all the Jews" (why would I do so - should I blame my mother's family for what happened to them?). Similarly, I don't think that this is what Ms. Darkmoon is doing, as pointed out by Spectator. Please make a distinction between the source and DB's interpretation - this is important.
Also, as I have argued on these pages, even though DB is campaigning against central banking and pointing fingers at the "Anglosphere power elite", we understand that they are not blaming "all bankers", nor are they blaming "all British and American citizens". It's obvious, you will say. So what makes you think that I (and others) are simply stupid haters? Again, please be careful to distinguish between what DB claims and what I'm actually saying. While some people may be indeed blaming "all Jews" indiscriminately, I consider this an uneducated and prejudiced view. Besides, it is not clear that "Jewry" truly exists as an uniquely defined ethnicity (see Schlomo Sand's recent book, discussed here on DB).
Bluebird, if you have time and would like to see a different viewpoint, I would encourage you to read for yourself The Controversy of Zion (by Douglas Reed, available online). Benjamin Freedman's discourses are also available online and can be read quickly - perhaps they are a good starting point. If you are truly courageous (but I would not begin with this material), you may want to read what self-identified Jew Jack Bernstein had to say about his experiences in Israel.
I am not suggesting these readings to convince you of the validity of my viewpoint, but to offer you the possibility to gain a better understanding of a viewpoint which I feel you attack without truly understanding it.
Abu Aardvark: "Do these and other established facts, in your view, memehunter, leave room for any significant considerations reagarding the PE families being "Khazaric/Ashkenazic" or "Sephardic"?
Don't get me wrong here: I do not deny that there may (have) be(en) "division between Khazar/Ashkenazim and Sephardim" - just like there were and are divisons within and between other religious (sub-)communities.
I just don't see that these divisions have ANY REAL MEANING for the PE, except as another useful tool."
Abu, you may be right, and I do not wish to enter into a protracted argument on this topic (I've done enough debating as it is... ). I do not claim to know. But I would say that, if you read Bernstein (perhaps you already read him), you would agree that what he depicts suggests that these tensions between Khazar/Ashkenazim and Sephardim are much more significant that what we are usually privy to.
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Gently, gently, one tars a "race" ...
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Posted by turtle on 11/02/11 01:55 AM
You must be new. Welcome to the counter-counter-intelligence unit : )
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Hm-mm, wow, Turtle. We argue that the constant use of terms like Zionism and World Jewry are muddying the message of alternative 'Net news and suddenly we are part of a CIA factory? We argue that the use of such terms is inflammatory and makes people who might otherwise be attuned to some of the messages of the alternative news media uncomfortable and even dismissive and suddenly we are infiltrators? Amazing.
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Posted by Robnen on 11/02/11 12:11 AM
Europeans are fascistic and out to strip the resources from others? Is that the line the white masses are fed when they're invading other nations? To strip them of their resources, or to "help the civil population?" Try again. Every war America has been involved in for the past 50 years has been promoted to its population with some hyper-moralistic notions about helping or liberating others. And, yes, many whites have succumbed to the propaganda precisely because they ARE gullible and possess a higher than average degree of outgroup altruism. Yet have these wars not been largely orchestrated by banking elites who are disproportionately NOT white gentiles? The war in Libya recently was largely to prevent Qadaffi from setting up the Libyan Dinar as the pan-African currency backed by gold. Was this reason ever conveyed to the American masses? And do the European populations benefit in the aftermath of these wars when their "elites" flood their countries with incompatible and violently aggressive refugees from those same regions NATO invades, and are told that they have to accept this because multiculturalism is "enriching"? Ask the remaining besieged Germans in the Neuköln district of Berlin how they feel about this enrichment. This nightmare is taking shape in country after country on the continent of Europe.
As to Islam, I really don't need lectures from you on this issue. I myself am the descendant of Balkan Slavic immigrants whose ancestors experienced cultural "enrichment" at the hands of the Ottoman Turkish Empire for 5 centuries. Not a pretty picture. Your doltish attempt at Islamic apologetics on the grounds that Islam is somehow benign because it accommodated the Jews speaks volumes about you powers of reasoning. Or, you're somebody with an ulterior motive deliberately spreading disinformation. Muslim perchance?
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Posted by davidnrobyn on 11/01/11 11:27 PM
Frankly, I don't know whether DB's theory is correct or not, and I don't know how much I agree with it either, but I gave the article a "5" for sheer originality. This is a take on the "Zionist" situation that I've never heard before. Kudos!
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Posted by Agent Weebley on 11/01/11 11:21 PM
Hi amanfromMars,
It seems like I am going to be going deep undercover, due to collisions in packet data within the company. They need a warm start, and I'm it, it seems. I'll have to be summoning some digital alchemy . . . Midas well jump in with both feet!
Posted by Agent Weebley on 11/01/11 10:47 PM
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But I will be checking back here (and there) periodically for the sound of the train a comin' . . .
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Posted by Bluebird on 11/01/11 10:27 PM
I have to wonder if the ones who are blaming the Jews consider themselves to be responsible for what their own country leaders are doing today. I am an American but I obhor what my country is doing throughout the world. I guess by your way of thinking I am responsible. What shall I do, friends, to end the wars which I detest? What can YOU do? Even if the ones who are causing the problems you refer to call themselves "Jews", how is this a guideline for what the average Jew is? It is not. It is just hatred for religion itself... on steroids.
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Posted by Spectator on 11/01/11 09:07 PM
Thanks for this Robnen and thanks also to Memehunter. Perhaps sometime DB will face more realistically the dimensions of "the Jewish problem". It ain't just prejudice. It ain't just "hate". It ain't just misdirection and red herrings to manipulate the gullible-although God knows that manipulation (or at least attempted manipulation) is going on all the time.
Frankly, the attempt to ward off all searching inquiry into this issue is itself IMHO a "promotion."
DB seems motivated by a laudable desire to avoid casting all "Jews" into some sort of "Hate pot". Well desired. But there is still work to be done.
Note that Darkmoon speaks of "organized Jewry"--in other words, the effective power sources of "the Jews". AIPAC. Presidents of Jewish organizations. Media, educational, financial (oh, yes, DB is not wrong to focus on this--but the question is whether the obsessional focus on "central banks" suffices to give a rounded picture of the pickle we are all in) and political leaders who adopt the "organized Jewry" line. You want memes? You want promotions? Read MacDonald on "organized Jewry".
If people who wish to identify themselves as Jews claim to abhor and abjure the works of their "organizers", well great--but thus far it seems the bulk of the effort is not such repudiation so much as it is "fighting anti-semitism". Very interesting.
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