More owsnews members. The specialized leaders are lining up.
Shazz Baric wrote "The Complete American's Guide to Revolution".

Michele Kelley Sc.D, M.S.W., M.A.. Board member (MW Region) Assn. for Community Organization & Social Admin. U of IL professor

Lisa Bracken wrote "You and What Army, How to Neutralize Conflict & Negotiate Justice. College instructor. Envir. activist against hydro-fracking. Marketing/Communications Consultant.

Tana Ganeva is managing editor AlterNet. Alternet member too. Receives Soros foundations funding.

Bob Limbaugh (& "Wikiworldorder" founder Morgan Lesko) fund OpenSecrets dot org, as do Soros and Rockefellers. The WWO site is odd, as are sponsors.

Oren Clark is setting up a group/party Q.E.D. Quorum E-Democracy.
There is a Jay Sullivan who is Mozilla VP of Products, not sure here.
There is a David Payne (also in the UK) who is an enviro. planner, not sure.

I'm done with this research. It is obvious to me those joining early, are the "specialists" and more are joining every minute. 120+ today.

A very good post to Zeese's article Mr. Robertson. You're a brave man Charlie Brown, to dive right into the den. We shall see if you get through to them. Him being an extreme progressive, my guess is not likely.

Reply from The Daily Bell

Thanks much.

Very good. This is why they must choose Ron Paul. He is the ONLY candidate for President who understands the problem and has the solution. They have I believe ONE chance. I cannot see the system lasting through another Presidential term. My country the UK is in the same boat and we'll all go down with it. At last we'll have true equality. There is no one here of Ron Paul's intelligence and knowledge.

The US could help to pull the world out if the maelstrom if they switch to a true free market economy and sound money. The Soviets did neither. Yeltsin was used by the oligarchs who fed him vodka and looted his country. The same thing is happening in America but under cover of a crisis and perpetual wars. They do not have much time left. Sometimes I think they may not make it to the next elections.

DB: "Yes it seems so, but we want and wait to see how the Cain train develops momentum wise. We think Rick "Bilderberg Boy" Perry was the first choice ... "

I always thought Romney was the choice. He looks "Presidential", after all. The rubes really dig that... LOL

"Herman Cain has ZERO prior political experience."

I am afraid you are very much mistaken. I suggest you visit his web site Click to view link or check his bio at Click to view link

"Starting in 2005, Cain worked for the Koch family funded Americans for Prosperity (AFP) alongside Mark Block. Block would later become campaign manager for Cain's 2012 Presidential run and would be joined in Cain's campaign by several other AFP employees. Cain continued to receive honorariums for speaking at AFP events until he announced his campaign for the Republican nomination. Cain's senior economic advisor during his 2012 presidential campaign, Rich Lowrie, who helped devise Cain's 9-9-9 tax plan, had served on the AFP board. "

It is very clear to me why Cain has garnered so much support from the Republican base. He is channeling Ronald Reagan and they are lapping it up. I predict that unless there is a miracle Cain will win the nomination since he supports the Empire and is the perfect candidate to oppose Obama as then the race card could not be played. Check out his interview with Fox News Click to view link in the bottom left hand corner.

It is clear that Fox will support him unless something unforeseen happens. Note the put down of Ron Paul in the interview... "a grumpy old man".

I have joined OWSnews and commented on the article by Kevin Zeese. Here is my comment:

"The description of the problems is fairly accurate. The proposed solutions will lead to more of the same, indeed may be undoable within the present system.

The Empire is being addressed very well by one of the candidates for the Republican nomination, Ron Paul. He will simply close it down. He will also address the key generator of poverty, the inflationary monetary system created by the global central banking system. A very good graphic of the architecture of global control by the financial elites is here: Click to view link

And a very short history of the central bank of the US the Federal Reserve: Click to view link

Until this is fixed the system of corruption you describe in your article will not change in its essential details. The financial elites have taken over three hundred years to create their Babylon and may now be in the process of pulling it down, all the better to rebuild it for better control. You may be assisting them to do this by calling for further use of the system to achieve the goals you have stated. I will assume that you are doing this with good intentions which we all know pave the way to hell.

The first thing I learned about the OWS was that there would be no demands. This seemed very sensible to me since any demands must be addressed to the very people who have created the problem and they will simply use your demands to further strengthen their own positions as they are now doing. If you create a tax system to generate higher taxes from 'the rich' the revenues will flow to the same people who are gouging you at the moment. The government spending will increase as will the debt and there will be more fantasy money created to further increase inflation which is a direct tax on the poorest in the nation.

If you create a 'single payer' medical care system you will end up with an even more unwieldy bureaucracy than the IRS, bureaucrats will determine who gets treatment and what treatment they will pay for. They will work with Big Pharma to gouge the taxpayer and distribute pharmaceutical drugs that will kill thousands of people and cripple thousands more just as they do at the moment. The lobbyist system will go into high gear as the government takes over every decision from the individual and the oppression will increase.

Be careful what you wish for, you may get it."

There is only presuppositional evidence that the people calling for statist solutions are insincere and are actually consciously working for the elites. One must assume that they have come to the same conclusions many of us have reached in the past on the basis of the education and conditioning to which we have been subjected all our lives.

Unless we try to challenge their assumptions and provide reasoned arguments why they are wrong to seek redress from an already fully corrupt system then they will lead many others into the same cul de sac whither they themselves are headed.

It is vital that we remember that these are merely individuals and in the Occupy movement have no more influence than anyone else who is willing to make their case. The best facts and arguments will win the day. We are talking to an audience of mainly young intelligent people who are open to the kinds of solutions that libertarian thinking provides. This is what Ron Paul had been doing for more than forty years. Now that his predictions have come true and this can be easily demonstrated then people are now more willing to listen to the solutions he proposes.

Herman Cain is a wonderful example of a man who is speaking out of his time. He is the Ronald Reagan of the 1980's that Ron Paul supported until he saw what Reagan was actually doing. He is speaking out of a bubble frozen in that time and people are listening because they long to go back to those halcyon days when it seemed that America might actually become what she believes herself to be.

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Like Reagan, Cain would prove to be a big disappointment to true conservative libertarians if he were to be elected. This is because the America he describes died a long time ago and unless the American people waken up to that fact they are destined to go through an even worse nightmare than they are presently experiencing.

The same can equally be said for those like Kevin Zeese who believe that the present situation equates with 1930's America and that the solutions are to be found in a repetition of the New Deal on steroids. They have bought the myth that FDR saved America when in fact he sold America down the river and handed her over to the very forces who are today looting her wealth and shedding her blood in their endless wars and their crippling entitlement programmes.

If any of these people are allowed to win the debate, whether from the Reagan Perpetual Warmongers like Herman Cain or from the FDR Welfare State ideologues like Kevin Zeese without so much as a peep from the libertarians who actually have something of value to offer and solutions that will work to transform their society then America the beautiful and all her People will head off into the sunset like all the overreaching Empires of the past. Then those who have failed to make a stand will go down with her and deservedly so.

The occupiers think they are celebrating and carousing because socialism has won and soon they will have the world and more money because everything is to be taxed for carbon usage and so they will have more to spend! Global warming is their ticket to more entitlements and amenities. You appear to think so too.

I think you are wrong. Socialism has been defeated. These asses can sit, stand, dance in the streets but the nations in trouble are all socialist and all out of money and even when they print more, it is not enough to keep sending the checks out. There are going to be cuts, and less and less going out as the months mount and the people will do less and less as a result and still mass in the streets and call for more. Since less will be working, less business will be done and then paralysis begins, food shortages and living needs mount and then a new realisation will set in. My God, what is happening! Governments will decamp (the people who run them will) and chaos will come. People will barricade themselves against growing hysteria. And guess what, the global warming tax will not be collected... nothing will, not even garbage and in the cities, water and sewer services will slow and peter out for lack of supplies and chemicals, transport will diminish... .you can take it from there.

The capitalists will be long gone from the public. The factories, the malls, the big stores will close overnight and the small shops and fast foods will be non existent. People will have to form their own markets selling what they have for what they need. And all those new electronic phones, apps etal will be useless - no energy to even recharge them. In short order, you will have a hand to mouth existence.

This is not fiction. It happened in all the Soviet states. I witnessed it first hand. When reality sets in, the old will tell the young to get home, shut up and close the schools. Time to walk and then put your shoulders to work, forget thinking because you can't! Stand in line for food or scavenge, walk miles to find it.

It will not be the End of America as so many want to proclaim. It will be a re-education period and those occupying druggies and unionists will either re-educate themselves or stand in the parks and streets asking for tips to clean this or that and find few takers.

History teachs us that when people do not know how to provide for themselves, they must go through deprivation until common sense takes over. In the past it took two lifetimes to erase the heresy.. In Russia, Ukraine et al, it is twenty years and still counting.

The latest notable to join is civil attorney Ellen Brown and President of the Public Banking Institute. Her latest of 11 books is Web of Debt, which is about the Fed. (Other 10 are health related)Her field of expertise here is a Jubilee on Student Debt. Click to view link She also posts on Common Dreams, whose website has nearly 222,000 followers and Facebook 123, 000+ friends.

There, I found an OWS article written by Green Partier Ralph Nader, whom I had predicted earlier might show up in the movement. I am sure this movement will be going green/environmental as DB stated.

Click to view link "Each new protest gives the protesters new insights. The protestors are learning how to challenge controlling processes. They are assembling and using their little libraries on site. They are learning the techniques of open, non-violent civil disobedience and building personal stamina. They are learning not to be provoked and thereby win the moral authority struggle which encourages more and more people to join their ranks." Little libraries??? One such could be in my previous post.

A new article on Common Dreams by Van Jones discusses Taking back the American Dream. The contract/platform: Click to view link

Ever since your article yesterday, and Mr. Robertson's follow-up links to the site, I have been researching.

Some owsnews Members:

First of all Kevin Zeese wrote an article almost immediately upon joining. It was 1 of Mr. Robertson's links:

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Immediately I recognized his name. He is an Occupy DC organizer, political & environmental activist, a partner in the United Progressives, and on the steering committee of the New Progressive Alliance I mentioned before (socialist). Ran for Senate in MD in 2006 as Green Party.

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Click to view link (Check out their platforms and compare to OWS')

Danny Schechter is an activist film maker/blogger OWS non-leader, whose last documentary Plunder: The Crime of our Time is about corp. greed. He attended Cornell and is a member of its Quill & Dagger Society (like Skull & Bones) which has an extensive list of elitists. His Wikipedia entry says he was an organizer in the Northern Student Movement (1961) and the War on Poverty (1964).

Michael Redman & Lisa Epstein are known as "2 of the nation's most influential citizen agitators".

William Falberg is with Click to view link which ain't about wolves.

Charles Hugh Smith has an article about OWS on AmpedStatus analyzing OWS. He favorably refers to a new article by our anarchist friend David Graeber discussing the strange success of OWS:

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David Casker, a Vietnam vet was on the Veteran's Steering Committee on Obama's campaign, and is a noted activist.

Charlie Grapski, green party politician & investigative journalist, is all over the internet, especially the Click to view link site

These are just on a few of the 158 members on the owsnews site. DB seems quite correct in stating this is where the non-leader/leaders will surface.

As an aside:

NYCGA member Richard Springer has written a book "Come Hell or High Water: Why is Collective Process so Difficult" and posted concerns on the nycga site about their process. This book is available at the Anarchist site AKPress:

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At this site check out their 2011 catalog. 48 pages loaded with Anarchist/Socialist publications.

A socialist site WeAreMany is all over the OWS movement and even has an Occupy Chicago video where they are having a "Communist Manifesto" Discussion Group meeting.

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Not sure if DB ever discovered the all OWS finances are being handled by the shady Alliance for Global Justice Click to view link. and NY funds kept in the Amalgamated Bank which was union-owned until just after the protests started.

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It is hard to believe there are so many evil people out there just waiting to pounce on the predominately unsuspecting 99%. Hopefully the whole thing will peter out as they realize what's going on, but like Mr. Robertson said, "Expect to be surprised in the coming weeks."

Reply from The Daily Bell

Thanks this is great stuff.

It's a stone-cold promotion and it's just getting started in our view. We'd be surprised if it "peters out." But libertarian elements involved better think twice in our view. They're getting "pawned."

Something else to think about, not directly related to OWS, but a relation none the less, "emerging non leader / leaders "emerging" to popular acclaim... .." could this be said of Herman Cain?

Herman Cain has ZERO prior political experience. I find it VERY hard to imagine someone with ZERO political experience running for the highest office in the land. I find it VERY suspicious... especially with his prior experience with a prior director / chairman for the Kansas City Branch of the Federal Reserve.

Reply from The Daily Bell

Yes it seems so, but we want and wait to see how the Cain train develops momentum wise. We think Rick "Bilderberg Boy" Perry was the first choice ...

@DB "n our humble view, you are still misreading the mechanism whereby these movements operate. The elites simply need a PRETEXT of popular unrest along with a cadre of individuals giving voice to dominant social themes. Then they use the media and government to pass laws at will to reshape society. Don't like it, out rolls the military.

The easiest time to stop this juggernaut is when it first starts. The longer participate in a manipulated movement, the more credence they give it. All the elites need are warm bodies. They are bit players.

Directed history is a Hollywood show ... "

This is true. However to leave the movement now would be to presuppose the outcome which as we agree is yet to be decided. For all we know the weight of opinion in the movement may shift in a direction that is more amiable to our views and, given the Consensus model of decision making, it would become impossible for the "leaders" who favour the elites' agenda to impose their views on the movement regardless of the manipulative power of the media.

Perhaps you are giving too much weight to the ability of the elites' to control how the movement is presented to the public and the gullibility of the public to accept their version of events. If, as you profess, you believe in the ability of the Internet to foil their plans then surely to have a substantial cadre of libertarians in the midst of the movement reporting their insights is much to be preferred to sniping from the outside at the imagined direction the movement is taking.

I believe we must keep believing that our libertarian view is not only supported by the evidence of history but that it is the only view that concurs with the present realities and offers any kind of solution. This makes it very persuasive, especially to the mostly uncommitted youth in the Occupy movement. It seems to me that be counselling a departure by the libertarians you may be demonstrating a lack of faith in you own principles. Or perhaps your experience to date has convinced you that most people are too heavily conditioned by the media and the education system to understand the folly of their ways and embrace sanity.

This may have been true just a few years ago but I believe that now is the time for a radical change in the paradigm. As I mentioned in one of my feedbacks recently the organisers of Occupy Wall Street were astonished by the turnout. They had become so jaded by their own experience of lacklustre results they were completely taken aback when thousands appeared on the streets and the movement quickly took off and spread to other cities and countries.

This is not over by a long shot and there are greater powers at work that are beyond human understanding even though we shall continue to try to explain it within our own symbolic framework. Expect to be surprised in the coming weeks.

This whole story is reminiscent of the Glenn Beck novel "The Overton Window."
The premise is that you create a catastrophic situation (riots and wilding by
the OWS movement) and then the populace is comfortable giving up their
freedom, little by little to make it stop to the point where eventually they lose it all, their liberty, their way of life and their fortunes to, in this case, a one world government led by God knows who.

Yes, AGW, The hidden agenda that has failed gain traction with the general public. This does not mean that the oligarchs will cease to try and promote their agenda, only that it has been set back for a time until they can again begin to scare people with it and convince them that they need new "carbon" laws that will enable governments to collect more tax revenue.

If you have been paying attention, you will note that AGW shills like Max Keiser have gone silent on the subject as of late. Keiser has become an Alex Jones favorite but Jones is a fan of Monckton who says that the whole AGW agenda is a fraud and makes a convincing argument for his case. That makes this whole thing suspicious in my opinion.

Take it all with a grain of salt but rest assured that none of this is happening with the best interests of the general public as the primary focus.

Reply from The Daily Bell

Well, good ... you have made our point. You perceive what we perceive. Sometimes they must "take a step back." More and more as the Internet Reformation unfolds. After all, it is a process not an episode.

I saw the recently released movie, "Cool It."

At first, it seemed a genuine effort by a sincere naturist to seek a calmer, more balanced approach to global warming. Another fair haired blonde, Bjorn Lomborg, from Denmark was compelling as the main proponent. He believes global warming is real and propelled by human activity, but he seeks more practical approaches to solving the dilemma.

But then I thought, this may be just a counterargument to the Algorean theses. In the end Lomborg proposes another "centrally planned" solution that "only" costs $250 billion.

Perhaps the elite have conceded that the initial thrust of the global warming meme has sputtered badly. To pick it up, alternative solutions -- like Lomborg's and the OWS' -- are proposed to counter Al Gore's proposals. Wise leaders will then produce the final solution. Key is not to let it die.

Food for thought.

Reply from The Daily Bell

Yes, William3, the "dialectic" starts to "move" when a meme fails. They begin to launch promotions that are less and less extreme. They move the goalposts the OTHER way in an attempt to regenerate public approval. When they reach/sense a critical mass, they reverse course once again ... or so it seems to us ...

If the Hegelian Dialectic is so... .

Thesis: Our Western society is a fascistic one...

Antithesis: Occupy Wall Street is a socialist/communist construction...

Synthesis: Could it be Communitarianism? It's not just waiting in the wings-it's

being implemented everywhere, it seems.

DB: "The Anglosphere elites are trying everything they can to implement "solutions" to the non-existent problem of global warming"

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BTW: This "global warming" thingy is, in fact, the FOURTH major scare-story-U-turn ...

"MacMillan Reports Signs of New Ice Age'
(New York Times, Sept. 18, 1924)

'The discoveries of changes in the sun's heat and the southward advance of glaciers
in recent years have given rise to conjectures of the possible advent of a new ice age.'
(Time Magazine, Sept. 10, 1923)

'America in Longest Warm Spell Since 1776; Temperature Line Records a 25-Year Rise'
(New York Times, March 27, 1933)

"Gaffers who claim that winters were harder when they were boys are quite right...
weather men have no doubt that the world at least for the time being is growing warmer.'
(Time Magazine, Jan. 2, 1939)

"Scientists Ponder Why World's Climate is Changing; A Major Cooling Widely Considered to Be Inevitable'
(New York Times, May 21, 1975)

'Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the
weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.'
(Time Magazine, June 24, 1974)

"Past Hot Times Hold Few Reasons to Relax About New Warming'
(New York Times, Dec. 27, 2005)

'[S]cientists no longer doubt that global warming is happening, and almost
nobody questions the fact that humans are at least partly responsible. '
(Time Magazine, April 9, 2001)

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An even more detailed climate-fear-fraud timeline here:

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Reply from The Daily Bell

Wow, great list.

So far as I am aware the Adbusters people have always been members of the environmental movement and supporters of the anthropogenic global warming/climate change theory. For those who are still on the fence of this controversy here is an informative summary: Click to view link

There is no doubt that given the article at OWSnews from Adbusters it does indeed appear that they are following the elites' playbook with a potential demand for a Tobin Tax on global financial transactions and seeking a global climate change accord.

If they are successful in gaining an agreement from the movement using the Consensus model to promote these ideas then I would have to concede that at least for the time being the elites may have succeeded in harnessing the movement to their agenda.

The question I have is whether we can take for granted that the movement itself will adopt these positions or whether they will follow their own decision making procedures in determining the direction they should follow. This kind of decision would have to be made by Consensus at the General Assembly. Here is the proposal for the "spokes council" from the New York GA which lays out this process:

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This is why I believe it is far too early to abandon all hope and advise libertarians to leave the movement. With all due respect the DB has been very sceptical of this movement from the beginning and you have put forward different theories about where it has come from, who is behind it and indeed how it fits into the model you use for understanding the world i.e. the model of directed history with the Anglo elites being involved in every major movement in history and influencing the outcome from the outset.

For myself I have a different perspective. While agreeing in principle that the financial elites have indeed engineered modern society, at least opportunistically, over a period of at least three hundred years but most likely for more than two millennia, I am also aware that their time of suzerainty is coming to an end and that many of the events today are indicative of that ending rather than evidence of their continuing control. This is why the actual happenings at the Occupy movement are of greater interest to me rather than trying to conform them to any preconceived notion I may have based upon my knowledge of directed history.

This is not to say that there are no actors involved in this movement with exactly the intentions suspected by the DB. As I have written previously whatever the intentions of the elites in this regard I believe that their intentions will for the first time in a long time be frustrated and greater powers will enforce a different outcome than they have planned.

Reply from The Daily Bell

We agree with much of your stance. As we have written many times, the elites may not be able to control the social turmoil that they have purposefully, in our view, unleashed. But if OWS continues to be controlled from the top, we think the issue of libertarian participation is fair one to raise.

In our humble view, you are still misreading the mechanism whereby these movements operate. The elites simply need a PRETEXT of popular unrest along with a cadre of individuals giving voice to dominant social themes. Then they use the media and government to pass laws at will to reshape society. Don't like it, out rolls the military.

The easiest time to stop this juggernaut is when it first starts. The longer participate in a manipulated movement, the more credence they give it. All the elites need are warm bodies. They are bit players.

Directed history is a Hollywood show ...

DB had this one sussed out from early on.

Depressing to think that no large-scale action can escape such control.

"Global warming". Give me a break. More like "globalist mania".

This is why I Come to the DB.

'Blowing up Dominant Social Memes Since... '

OWS may be "leaderless" but they should as hell have a lot of manipulators!

Forge: To form by heating then hammering; beat into shape.