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Friday, November 11, 2011 – by Staff Report

Lucas Papademos

Economist Papademos to lead Greece's unity government ... Economist Lucas Papademos will be Greece's next prime minister, the Greek president's office announced Thursday, giving a non-politician the job of passing an unpopular bailout plan before elections are held next year. The selection by the two main political parties ended four days of squabbling over how to structure a unity government. Papademos, 64, and the rest of the government are to be installed Friday. – Washington Post

Dominant Social Theme: Thank goodness we have unity at last. Now Greece's troubles will be over.

Free-Market Analysis: Oh, wow, a Greek unity government. Unity. A less polite term would be "communism" in our view – for we and thee, not of course for the top Greek elites. Communism. Sure. Or close to it ... The state runs most of Greece now one way or another. And a politburo runs the state. A "unity government." Hah!

This is a long held dream of the elites as they struggle to move this woeful, recalcitrant world toward global governance. The idea is to do away with messy policy questions over the STRUCTURE of government. In fact, the idea is to ensure, via such unity governments, that everyone is on board with the basics.

Simple really. The elites run the government and the government runs the corporations and the corporations and government jointly run everything else. Way up at the top, the REAL power resides, with a handful of elite families and associates that own the corporations and secretly control the government.

What's the optimal elite state? Well, it would include a strong state judiciary, a strong authoritarian police force, a strong military to support and defend the "unified" government, a strong public school system, a high tax rate, a big corrosive welfare state, etc. etc. 

It's government by bureaucracy (with the really Big Men behind the scenes). A kind of communism. The state may not entirely "own" the means of production (along with hand-picked, crony-led corporations) but it might as well. 

This is surely the goal. It's a meme that breaks out more boldly as time goes on. Last time we recall hearing about this kind of construct was in the US where New York's Michael Bloomberg began a short-lived campaign for it during the last presidential election. Here, from the Washington Post, way back at the beginning of 2008:

Moderates Unite! Bloomberg To Lead Unity Government Summit ... New York Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, a potential independent candidate for president, has scheduled a meeting next week with a dozen leading Democrats and Republicans, who will join him in challenging the major-party contenders to spell out their plans for forming a "government of national unity" to end the gridlock in Washington.

Those who will be at the Jan. 7 session at the University of Oklahoma say that if the likely nominees of the two parties do not pledge to "go beyond tokenism" in building an administration that seeks national consensus, they will be prepared to back Bloomberg or someone else in a third-party campaign for president.

Conveners of the meeting include such prominent Democrats as former senators Sam Nunn (Ga.), Charles S. Robb (Va.) and David L. Boren (Okla.), and former presidential candidate Gary Hart. Republican organizers include Sen. Chuck Hagel (Neb.), former party chairman Bill Brock, former senator John Danforth (Mo.) and former New Jersey governor Christine Todd Whitman.

See? These are not spur-of-the-moment inventions. It's a long-running dominant social theme, in fact. Government should be managed by the best technocrats. Policy doesn't matter (freedom and all that) only what "works" best. In fact, it's a part of a larger meme, having to do with technocracy, transparency, etc. And now it has found the Greeks.

The Greeks. They've been rioting for six months and what do they get? A government that will do exactly the opposite of what they want. The government is committed to austerity, committed to Euro-loans, committed to the euro and the EU. The Greeks themselves oppose austerity measures, oppose the Euro-loans, even oppose the euro. Heck, at this point they probably WANT their drachma back.

The top Greeks – the ones that will compose the unity government – basically intend to ram through a restructuring of Greece's entire society. It's already begun with the raising of taxes, spying on people and throwing them in jail if they don't pay up – while putting more and more people out of work in both the private and public sector.

When the state controls money, the state controls much of what life is about, certainly economic life. This is the idea behind all this. The elites that seek one-world government are using the crisis to continue to consolidate power. Consolidate, consolidate. And use the good, gray men to do it. The bankers.

Lewrockwell.com is carrying a short article pointing out that Papademos is not alone in his banking credentials. Mario Draghi, president of the European Central Bank as of November 1, was vice chairman and managing director of Goldman Sachs Int. Mario Monti who may well succeed Silvio Berlusconi as prime minister of Italy, is European Chairman of the Trilateral Commission and a member of the Bilderberg Group. Here's some more from the article excerpted above:

But Papademos assured Greeks and anxious Europeans elsewhere that he would push through the austerity measures that are a condition of the $177 billion bailout plan announced at the end of October. The country is weeks away from running out of money, officials have said. Greece's "problems will be solved with unity, understanding and prudence," Papademos told reporters after his selection was announced. He called Greece's membership in the euro zone "a guarantee for monetary stability."

As governor of the Bank of Greece from 1992 to 2002, Papademos helped usher Greece into Europe's currency union, an achievement that the country's financial crisis has threatened ... Papademos's aversion to corrupt dealmaking could be a good thing amid the highly charged process of making painful cuts, although some Greek commentators said the incoming prime minister's cautious nature would not necessarily inspire the country in a time of crisis.

The most immediate issue facing Greece is securing an $11 billion installment of its original May 2010 bailout package. Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos said last week that without the bailout, the country's coffers would be empty by Dec. 15 ... In a nationally televised address Wednesday evening, to Prime Minister George Papandreou said farewell to the Greek people before meeting with Greece's president. "Today, despite our political and social differences, we are setting aside sterile conflicts," Papandreou said. "A government of political forces is taking over that goes beyond parties and personal biases. . . . We will take the necessary steps together, with national unity."

Conclusion: Hey, funny thing. We're not sure anxious Greeks want reassurance from Papademos. As for solving Greece's problems with "unity, understanding and prudence," we figure many Greeks would disagree with that as well. Only one thing is certain, from what we can tell. Out of chaos, order. The elites ALWAYS use civil disturbances to advance authoritarian measures. This "unity government" is just one more example of that.




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  Posted by Frank on 11/12/11 09:51 AM

"Mario Draghi, president of the European Central Bank as of November 1, was vice chairman and managing director of Goldman Sachs Int. Mario Monti who may well succeed Silvio Berlusconi as prime minister of Italy, is European Chairman of the Trilateral Commission and a member of the Bilderberg Group." - DB

Thanks for the bio on this possible new leader in Italy. Another example of "change"... but really no change for the good.

  Posted by speedygonzales on 11/12/11 08:13 AM

"Socialism would abolish the existing political order altogether, while State Socialism would use the State for the accomplishment of great economic and social purposes, especially restoring to it the function, which Frederick the Great held to be the principle business of the State, of 'holding the balance' between classes and parties."

Bismarckian state socialism meant to save the established order from revolutionary upheaval and societal disintegration by admitting many of the criticisms that socialists made against a market economy-exploitation of the workers by employers, self-interested behavior that fails to serve the general welfare, poverty of the many in the midst of material riches enjoyed by the few-and by introducing a series of interventionist and welfarist policies that were to improve the economic lot of the masses while saving what was good and worth preserving in the traditional social order.
Click to view link

The engine of American foreign policy has been fueled not by a devotion to any kind of morality, but rather by the necessity to serve other imperatives, which can be summarized as follows:
* making the world safe for American corporations;
* enhancing the financial statements of defense contractors at home who have contributed generously to members of congress;
* preventing the rise of any society that might serve as a successful example of an alternative to the capitalist model;
* extending political and economic hegemony over as wide an area as possible, as befits a "great power."
This in the name of fighting a supposed moral crusade against what cold warriors convinced themselves, and the American people, was the existence of an evil International Communist Conspiracy, which in fact never existed, evil or not.
Click to view link
Greece, 1947-49:
Intervened in a civil war, taking the side of the neo-fascists against the Greek left which had fought the Nazis courageously. The neo-fascists won and instituted a highly brutal regime, for which the CIA created a new internal security agency, KYP. Before long, KYP was carrying out all the endearing practices of secret police everywhere, including systematic torture.

Dominant social theme: Naomi Klein tweeted: '#Iceland is proving that it is possible to resist the Shock Doctrine, and refuse to pay for the bankers' crisis'.
http://grapevine.is/Features/ReadArticle/A-Deconstruction-of-Icelands-Ongoing-Revolution

  Posted by taxesbyanyothername on 11/12/11 07:04 AM

Posted by sadskeptic on 11/11/11 10:16 PM
This is a question for DB that may be is of general interest. Please tell me if a foreigner may hold an important job with the Federal Reserve. This refers to the fact that new Greek prime minister Mr Papademos was senior economist at the Boston Fed. For some 5 years as I understand. Please look at this Harvard link Click to view link where it says "He served as a senior economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston in 1980." The five years I got somewhere else, it's in so many places now... I must be very naive or ignorant, but I can't understand why there are no headlines like "Greece now governed by the Boston fed" or something more or less trenchant. Thanks DB.

it is a Harvard link apparently

Since DB has not answered your question for this long I guess that they will not, so I will. Please do not take offence, I am not trying to talk down to you. The Federal Reserve is not actually part of the U. S. government. It is a privately owned bank, or more accurately a banking system. They make their own rules and are subject to less supervision from the government than just about any other entity in the U. S. Through money, the owners have more control over the government, and other things, than the government does. Discussing that control, and how to get out of that control, is why we (the DB and the rest of us) are here.

  Posted by Odysseus on 11/12/11 02:37 AM

Posted by sadskeptic on 11/11/11 10:16 PM
This is a question for DB that may be is of general interest. Please tell me if a foreigner may hold an important job with the Federal Reserve. This refers to the fact that new Greek prime minister Mr Papademos was senior economist at the Boston Fed. For some 5 years as I understand. Please look at this Harvard link Click to view link where it says "He served as a senior economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston in 1980." The five years I got somewhere else, it's in so many places now... I must be very naive or ignorant, but I can't understand why there are no headlines like "Greece now governed by the Boston fed" or something more or less trenchant. Thanks DB.

it is a Harvard link apparently

"but I can't understand why there are no headlines like "Greece now governed by the Boston fed"

Perhaps, for the same reasons that there were no headlines about Papandreou: "Greece now governed by a USA citizen on oath to protect USA interests"

His father, Andreas Papandreou, at least was careful enough to denounce his USA citizenship before taking up as primeminister.

Times have changed, the PTB need less and less their mask because common people are deeper and deeper in sleep mode.

  Posted by sadskeptic on 11/11/11 10:16 PM

This is a question for DB that may be is of general interest. Please tell me if a foreigner may hold an important job with the Federal Reserve. This refers to the fact that new Greek prime minister Mr Papademos was senior economist at the Boston Fed. For some 5 years as I understand. Please look at this Harvard link Click to view link where it says "He served as a senior economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston in 1980." The five years I got somewhere else, it's in so many places now... I must be very naive or ignorant, but I can't understand why there are no headlines like "Greece now governed by the Boston fed" or something more or less trenchant. Thanks DB.

it is a Harvard link apparently

  Posted by sadskeptic on 11/11/11 06:44 PM

Posted by sadskeptic on 11/11/11 05:59 PM
In Papademos odyssey there is a small job, a "stint" according to the Daily Telegraph, that you forgot to mention, namely, he was senior economist for about five years at the Boston Federal Reserve, surely a minor menial job... .other than that I thank you Odysseus for your comment

try this link Click to view link for Papademos' job at the Boston Fed,
it is a Harvard link apparently

  Posted by sadskeptic on 11/11/11 05:59 PM

Posted by Odysseus on 11/11/11 01:14 PM
Another excellent article. Thank you DB.

About Mr. Papademos:
- He has been a member of the Trilateral Commission since 1998.
- Vice President at the ECB from 2002 to 2010.
- Governor of Central Bank of Greece from 1994-2002.

During that last position, he played a key role in the Goldman Sachs currency swap that allowed the Greek government to hide the extent of its deficit and join the euro.

Question:
Why the Merkosy, eurocrats and co. who were furious about the "greek book cooking" and unleashed a world scale propaganda against any living creature in Greece, welcome this person as a leader of this country?

In Papademos odyssey there is a small job, a "stint" according to the Daily Telegraph, that you forgot to mention, namely, he was senior economist for about five years at the Boston Federal Reserve, surely a minor menial job... .other than that I thank you Odysseus for your comment

  Posted by Jones on 11/11/11 05:12 PM

If you happen to be traveling in Greece, take time to stay here...

www.zorbashotel.eu/

Nice people in a small community. If you bother to talk with the locals you will learn a lot about what is going on there and what they think.

  Posted by Odysseus on 11/11/11 04:43 PM

I live in Greece and after reading all comments about what Greece/Greeks are/want, I am tempted to throw my opinion too, but I won't.

There is a GLOBAL crisis, not a national one.

Greece alone had a lot of problems before the crisis and although their total dept (public+private) is not the worst in Europe, their government is the most corrupt. So it is easier to manipulate for any purpose.

The point is that the people of a supposed 1st world, European country, (and semantically the cradle of democracy), are NOT ALLOWED to vote/poll/decide about their fate.

Who's next?

  Posted by Robert Marchenoir on 11/11/11 03:49 PM

Posted by Robert Marchenoir on 11/11/11 01:47 PM
Exactly on what information do you base your statement that Greeks oppose the euro and "probably" want the drachma back ?

According to a poll by Ethnos newspaper, 81 % of Greeks want to keep the euro and only 12 % would like to return to the drachma.

Click to view link

OK, that's what I thought. You have no facts to support your claim that Greeks want to exit the euro, other than to point out that the newspaper publishing a poll wich shows the opposite by an overwhelming majority (81 %) supports PASOK.

So you assume that an entire poll is completely fabricated for propaganda purposes, but we are supposed to believe you when you make a statement based on nothing, while disregarding the fact that the Daily Bell, obviously, also has its own agenda.

Also, you say that Greeks are rioting. This is wrong. A certain number of Greeks are rioting. Most people are not. That's entirely different.

And those Greeks who do riot, what are they asking for ? Nothing. They don't have a clue. They don't know what to riot for. They are just saying : we're not happy about the situation. Big news. Who would be ?

There's no easy or painless way out of this mess. If you know of one, please tell.

As opposed to "rioting" or "being mad as hell", staying within the euro or ditching it is a factual issue, which can only be decided by "yes" or "no".

Supporting the euro does not mean being happy-clappy about the whole EU shebang. Before "Europe", Greece was a dirt-poor country. Following the war, the Greeks were practically spoon-fed by the UN. I own original, historical documents which prove it. Maybe the Greeks remember this. Maybe, for all their bravado, for all their riot-readiness, they fear, deep inside, that leaving the euro would drag them fifty years back.

The results of the Ethnos poll seem quite likely to me.

Reply from The Daily Bell

Yes, Marchenoir, this is you from this past year.

"Note : Click to view link is a very dubious outlet. Its former leader Thierry Meyssan is the author of a conspiracy theory book on 9/11. He promoted this book through speaking engagements in the Gulf countries. He fled France, his country, to relocate in... Damascus, of all places, then in Beyrouth. By his own admission, he receives money from the Hezbollah and the Iranian government, doing TV programmes for them. As far as I am concerned, he is a Muslim and Iranian foreign agent."

A conspiracy book on 9/11, huh? Your take on Greece is about as accurate as your take on 9/11. Below we deconstruct it:

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OK, that's what I thought. You have no facts to support your claim that Greeks want to exit the euro, other than to point out that the newspaper publishing a poll wich shows the opposite by an overwhelming majority (81 %) supports PASOK.


DB: 81 percent SUPPORTS PASOK!!!! Sure you don't want to rethink that. More accuracy, eh?

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So you assume that an entire poll is completely fabricated for propaganda purposes, but we are supposed to believe you when you make a statement based on nothing, while disregarding the fact that the Daily Bell, obviously, also has its own agenda.

DB: We simply pointed out what you refused to: the paper supports PASOK and there is no evidence we can see of how the poll was conducted. If it merely asked Greeks what they PREFERRED well, then, perhaps Greeks said they preferred the euro and the EU. But EVIDENTLY AND OBVIOUSLY given the tradeoffs (German dictats and "austerity") a majority of Greeks think otherwise. Contrary to your assertion above, the Greeks DON'T support PASOK and they just booted out the PASOK leader.

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Also, you say that Greeks are rioting. This is wrong. A certain number of Greeks are rioting. Most people are not. That's entirely different.

DB: What is it you don't understand about 50,000 people rioting at a time in Athens and GENERAL STRIKES as well? You think these things happen without support? You think most Greeks SUPPORT the German takeover of Greece and the new austerity plans? You're dreaming.

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And those Greeks who do riot, what are they asking for ? Nothing. They don't have a clue. They don't know what to riot for. They are just saying : we're not happy about the situation. Big news. Who would be ?

DB: You've interviewed them? Perhaps you've taken a PASOK poll?

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There's no easy or painless way out of this mess. If you know of one, please tell. As opposed to "rioting" or "being mad as hell", staying within the euro or ditching it is a factual issue, which can only be decided by "yes" or "no".

Supporting the euro does not mean being happy-clappy about the whole EU shebang. Before "Europe", Greece was a dirt-poor country. Following the war, the Greeks were practically spoon-fed by the UN.

DB: It's not going to be decided by yes or no. That was the POINT OF THE ARTICLE. It's going to be shoved down the collective Greek gullet even though there is OBVIOUSLY considerable opposition to what the Eurocrats have planned.

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I own original, historical documents which prove it. Maybe the Greeks remember this. Maybe, for all their bravado, for all their riot-readiness, they fear, deep inside, that leaving the euro would drag them fifty years back. The results of the Ethnos poll seem quite likely to me.

DB: The poll, prescribed by a pro-PASOK newspaper means nothing unless we know the questions involved. But there is PLENTY of evidence apocryphal and otherwise that shows the Greeks are most unhappy with the current EU choices and the EU as well. They just spent six months getting rid of George. Papandreaou. This was for what then? To enjoy a day "off work" amidst the tear gas?

  Posted by TheLastTrader on 11/11/11 03:08 PM

Excellent article. Anyone that doesn't appreciate this standing up for individual liberty and freedom rights is a biased ignorant hack who knows nothing about the principles of true democracy.

Mr. Tom Jefferson, don't take this personal... :-)

End of rant.

  Posted by EdwardUlyssesCate on 11/11/11 02:54 PM

It's been my experience (40 yrs) in business that when a banker is put in charge of a subsidiary (Greece as part of EU), that indicates receivership or liquidation. It also means the last thing the banker will inform the folks is the truth. There truly is no place to run to anymore.

  Posted by lejano on 11/11/11 02:29 PM

Those about to be led by Socialists should understand first how that works; Socialism is a soft, convincing, come-on voice that disappears the moment they have achieved power.

Those who truly lead, when their time comes, are the communists, but they do not put in an appearance until the socialists have closed the deal and then, all the soft, reasonable talkers disappear, usually, never to be seen or heard from again; it's magical.

Reply from The Daily Bell

We would think that if the "good gray banking men" ram through this latest EU austerity package, there will be significant continued trouble. And the Italians, Spanish and Portuguese wait in the wings ... (Not to mention the French ....)

  Posted by paris on 11/11/11 02:27 PM

Greeks austerity plans... ..what plans if you pay your employee in public sector with extar money.Employees in Hellenic Aerospace Industry are paid totally 4.000 to 5.000 euros monthly that includes benefits extar as150 euros for using stairs and... not the escalators and if I am at my home and I pick up my phone from my work they will pay me extra 200 euros and so... so... on.

Bus drivers in public transports main salary 1200 euros and extra 500 euros for waiting to take the bus at the parking or in electric buses 1500 euros extra for changing the bus scopes on streets.

Many pilots who serve the service at the office are paid... .normally as they work and fly planes and that costs 20 millions euros for Greece.

I ma Grek from Athene and I support German austerity plans to stay permanetly in Greece region because its pity 330 millions European citezens to suffer and pay taxes for 11 million Greeks.

Thanks to Europe and German to discipline Greeks policymakers who are in direct access in CDS markets

Reply from The Daily Bell

Are you living in Greece now? And it is your belief that most Greeks support the "austerity" plans, wish to live under them in a high-tax/high regulation regime while taking orders from Germany? Why the riots then? Perhaps some of it is theatre, as we've suggested, but we cannot imagine that the average-Greek is happy with what's going on. You are obviously an "unusual" average Greek.

  Posted by Robert Marchenoir on 11/11/11 01:47 PM

Exactly on what information do you base your statement that Greeks oppose the euro and "probably" want the drachma back ?

According to a poll by Ethnos newspaper, 81 % of Greeks want to keep the euro and only 12 % would like to return to the drachma.

Click to view link

Reply from The Daily Bell

Here's what we wrote:

The Greeks. They've been rioting for six months and what do they get? A government that will do exactly the opposite of what they want. The government is committed to austerity, committed to Euro-loans, committed to the euro and the EU. The Greeks themselves oppose austerity measures, oppose the Euro-loans, even oppose the euro. Heck, at this point they probably WANT their drachma back.

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Sounds like a perfectly reasonable statement to us. Over the past year we've read a good many stories that include "man on the street" interviews and NOT ONCE have we read anything remotely along the lines of "Gee, we really like the EU, bring on the loans and austerity programs and we'll fight to stay in this gosh-darn union."

Now it could be the poll simply asked if "all things being equal," the Greek would like to stay in the EU and euro. But that's not the choice they have, is it?

In fact, it seems highly unlikely that the Greeks are big fans of what's going on now. In fact, we've noticed the Greeks RIOTING against the choices provided by the Eurocrats and they just kicked out their Prime Minister.

Now the new guy is going to ram through the hated agreements anyway. And you're implying that the Greeks actually WANT what's barreling down the road at them - the kind of IMF austerity that crushed Argentina.

No we don't think the Greeks want it. Ergo, if given a choice they will likely opt out of the EU and out of the euro, nonwithstanding "polls"

Of course that poll is from the Ethnos newspaper, as you point out.

But you don't point out this:

Ethnos ('Nation')
Website: Click to view link in Greek
Political affiliation: PASOK (center)
High circulation

(Wikipedia) A poll from a Pasok-centered newspaper, huh?


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And here's an interesting insight from Presseurope.eu ... (below)

www.presseurop.eu/en/content/article/1128651-papandreou-resorts-blackmail-survive

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We can expect mass abstention ....

Papandreou has decided to blackmail the Greek people by confronting them with a dilemma: "Either you vote for the European agreement, or if you dare to say no, Greece will go bankrupt and we will leave the euro".

Between 80% and 85% of Greeks want nothing more to do with Papandreou and his government, but we cannot say that there is popular support for state bankruptcy. If over the next three months, the government mounts a press campaign to identify a “no-vote” with bankruptcy, the people might respond by voting “no” on the day.

Alternatively, we can expect mass abstention from all the parties, and a turnout as low as 15% to 20%, which would mean that the procedure would be simply dropped.

  Posted by Optout on 11/11/11 01:32 PM

Posted by tom jefferson on 11/11/11 12:41 PM
Clearly the "staff" who wrote this article are biased ignorant hacks who know nothing about communism... To even suggest that wealthy elite corporations and families are somehow "behind the scenes" controlling a communist govt. indicates a total ignorance of history and reality.

Care to fill us in on that history and reality?

  Posted by Odysseus on 11/11/11 01:14 PM

Another excellent article. Thank you DB.

About Mr. Papademos:
- He has been a member of the Trilateral Commission since 1998.
- Vice President at the ECB from 2002 to 2010.
- Governor of Central Bank of Greece from 1994-2002.

During that last position, he played a key role in the Goldman Sachs currency swap that allowed the Greek government to hide the extent of its deficit and join the euro.

Question:
Why the Merkosy, eurocrats and co. who were furious about the "greek book cooking" and unleashed a world scale propaganda against any living creature in Greece, welcome this person as a leader of this country?

  Posted by tom jefferson on 11/11/11 12:41 PM

Clearly the "staff" who wrote this article are biased ignorant hacks who know nothing about communism... To even suggest that wealthy elite corporations and families are somehow "behind the scenes" controlling a communist govt. indicates a total ignorance of history and reality.

Reply from The Daily Bell

Hah, thanks for the "education."

  Posted by Mountainview on 11/11/11 12:23 PM

If I understand it correctly Mr Papademos belongs to the technocrats who muddled Greece into the EURO. I wonder, what fuddle his new team will create in the next couple of weeks.