The NDAA Repeals More Rights
Little by little, in the name of fighting terrorism, our Bill of Rights is being repealed. The 4th Amendment has been rendered toothless by the PATRIOT Act. No more can we truly feel secure in our persons, houses, papers and effects when now there is an exception that fits nearly any excuse for our government to search and seize our property. Of course, the vast majority of Americans may say, "I'm not a terrorist so I have no reason to worry." However, innocent people are wrongly accused all the time. The Bill of Rights is there precisely because the founders wanted to set a very high bar for the government to overcome in order to deprive an individual of life or liberty. To lower that bar is to endanger everyone. When the bar is low enough to include political enemies, our descent into totalitarianism is virtually assured.
The PATRIOT Act, as bad is its violation of the 4th Amendment, was just one step down the slippery slope. The recently passed National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) continues that slip toward tyranny and, in fact, accelerates it significantly. The main section of concern, Section 1021 of the NDAA Conference Report, does to the 5th Amendment what the PATRIOT Act does to the 4th. The 5th Amendment is about much more than the right to remain silent in the face of government questioning. It contains very basic and very critical stipulations about due process of law. The government cannot imprison a person for no reason and with no evidence presented or access to legal counsel.
The dangers in the NDAA are its alarmingly vague, undefined criteria for who can be indefinitely detained by the US government without trial. It is now no longer limited to members of al Qaeda or the Taliban, but anyone accused of "substantially supporting" such groups or "associated forces." How closely associated? And what constitutes "substantial" support? What if it was discovered that someone who committed a terrorist act was once involved with a charity? Or supported a political candidate? Are all donors of that charity or supporters of that candidate now suspect, and subject to indefinite detainment? Is that charity now an associated force?
Additionally, this legislation codifies in law for the first time authority to detain Americans that has to this point only been claimed by President Obama. According to subsection (e) of section 1021, "[n]othing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States." This means the president's widely expanded view of his own authority to detain Americans indefinitely even on American soil is for the first time in this legislation codified in law. That should chill all of us to our cores.
The Bill of Rights has no exemptions for "really bad people" or terrorists or even non-citizens. It is a key check on government power against any person. That is not a weakness in our legal system; it is the very strength of our legal system. The NDAA attempts to justify abridging the bill of rights on the theory that rights are suspended in a time of war, and the entire Unites States is a battlefield in the War on Terror. This is a very dangerous development indeed. Beware.
Posted by The Federal Farmer on 01/02/12 02:06 AM
Yes, more people need to vote...
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Posted by The Federal Farmer on 01/02/12 02:02 AM
TL and rambling DR
Posted by que sera sera sera on 01/01/12 12:37 PM
re: new poll
I think the NDAA is evidence that the net reformation is having an effect as is the proposed SOPA---sort of like trying to close the barn door after the horses are already out!
apparently the revered Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski not long ago talked about an unprecedented "global political awakening"
also,Hillary Clinton admitted that "they" are loosing the informat'n war
both directly related to net freedom.
Posted by bob on 12/31/11 12:09 AM
Many discussions about the NDAA and there are no any actions against it in the US Congress. The same is going on with TSA. Nothing more than individual complaints.
It appears that people are too stupid and nobody cares.
Posted by Bluebird on 12/29/11 10:36 PM
Hi Dotti. Did you get your chickens yet? Did you ever hear the ruckus in a hen house when a fox gets in? This made me laugh, as does memories of that commotion. No hen would sit calmly by and continue laying eggs! Such cackling and wing flapping! I refuse (so far) to be drawn into the street in protest because I know the outcome before hand. It will be manipulated. But this is one thing that would bring me out with a broom. Clean house indeed!!! Go Ron Paul-2012!
Posted by FreeAmericaNow on 12/29/11 05:19 PM
This is why Ron Paul is a true American Hero. He knows his life is in jeopardy if his campaign takes off... BTW number one in Iowa as of today! To bad the Caucus results are all submitted to NY to the MSM to tally/distort before announcing.
DB please cover this-- http://youtu.be/Bl4NDDBXSZA
Good Speed Ron Paul...
Posted by expatriot on 12/28/11 07:12 PM
NOTE / The following are some key tidbits to the iceburg which tend to make me feel that indeed treason against the american constitution is a high priority with the object to bring the USA down. Indeed, it may well be that the USA was an early experiment by Freemasons and such secret societies with the object eventually to create this very New World Order which it now stands a problem for... but obviously to suceed this domino must fall! The freedom it first set out with may not have been intended as we understand, but for only a certain class of educated people... however, the rational "anti christian" freethinking has in fact back fired and some of the very ideas it put forth and have proved a bit too good for humanity, thus a bit too hard for an elite class of people wishing to dominate humanity. The structure of that democracy was in fact to work grass root upwards; which means local governments sending delegates to state governments to put forth local needs and interests... and state governments delegating to national ones. What has rather happened is people gained a degree of freedom; then starting with the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank... these freedom lost ground. Income taxes and inflation came into being. The real issue of Ron Paul's camp (all though if there is a rat in this... it is the idea of a gold standard and Ron is either a wolf in sheeps clothing pandering to all but that... or has missed this point of fact... or has some other idea to explain this : i.e. where is the gold that would serve as the American people's gold after it has likely been being stolen by these banksters for at least 100 years now... which has escaped me) is the destruction of the Federal Reserve Bank and the preservation of the very thing that holds the USA as both unique and sovereign : the Constitution. Since JFK's magic bullet... this document has been watered down and dragged though the mud by just about every puppet that has been bought and paid for into the White House... as they have well understood the message of the high profile Magic Bullet. It meant : tow the line or get out... and don't worry, we'll give you the exit ticket. Today they are coming out in the open speaking treason against the constitution and have engineered events to scare the people into thinking not far off the lines of : "hey... it's good my phone can be tapped... what if I am a terrorist?" and hey... "It's good they are building FEMA detention camps... and that they can arrest and hold me... I could be a terrorist!" Of course... people do not think that they themselves are such... but the mind control scare propaganda is not far off from that point. Don't believe me... know what is being said by people who either are, or know what is what. Cheers!
'If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.'
Thomas Jefferson: 1816
'Allow me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who writes the laws.'
"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it's profits or so dependent on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from that class."
Mayer Amschel Rothschild 1828
'If congress has the right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given them to use themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.'
'You are a den of vipers! I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning.'
President Andrew Jackson : 1829-1837
It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.'
NOTE / (hmmm... wonder where Henry got that one?! Off the assembly line ?!)
'The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity.'?- Abraham Lincoln
NOTE / Might well be Ron Paul study well both Jackson and Lincoln... they didn't go gold... they simply took the creation of money away from private corporate hands! Again... those money creating private corporations : the Fed, the world bank etc., have stock piled most of the world's gold... so if someone wishes to point an suspicious finger at Ron Paul... it is not over the quazy comicbook phoney emotions of CFR foot licking WSJournalists over RP's national propaganda agendas... RP is at least outspokenly pro american constitution thus pro America rather than anti sovereign America... which is exactly what the NWO is really on about... so this person paid well to spit treason is the centre piece of big bad money press... indeed the capitalist's selling tickets to a communist new world... just as Marx promised! Seems not only the Bible could foretell the future!
"From now on, depressions will be scientifically created."
Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh Sr. , 1913
"The financial system has been turned over to the Federal Reserve Board. That Board as ministers the finance system by authority of a purely profiteering group. The system is Private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people's money" -- Charles A. Lindbergh Sr., 1923
"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson."
U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt in a letter written Nov. 21, 1933 to Colonel E. Mandell House.
'From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, to those of Trotsky, Bela Kun, Rosa Luxembourg, and Emma Goldman, this world wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played a definitely recognizable role in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the nineteenth century, and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads, and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.'
Winston Churchill: 1920
Posted by expatriot on 12/28/11 07:11 PM
"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining super capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control... . Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."
- Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets
"By the end of this decade we will live under the first One World Government that has ever existed in the society of nations... a government with absolute authority to decide the basic issues of survival. One world government is inevitable."
Karl Wojtyla: AKA Pope John Paul II
"War to the hilt between communism and capitalism is inevitable. Today of course, we are not strong enough to attack. Our time will come in 20 or 30 years... The Bourgeoisie will have to be put to sleep. So we shall begin by launching the most spectacular peace movement on record. There will be electrifying overtures and unheard of concessions. The capitalist countries, stupid and decadent, will rejoice to cooperate in their own destruction. They will leap at another chance to be friends. As soon as their guard is down, we shall smash them with our clinched fist." ?Dimitry Z. Manuilsky in a speech made in 1931 before the Lenin School of Political Warfare. (He became an officer of the U.N. Security Council in 1949)
NOTE / On the above, beside the Haight Ashbury driven hippy movement for peace and love... and the rather astounding amount of American rock stars coming out of military industrial families... including Zappa, Crosby, Stills, Nashs & Young (all of them)... and certainly the "Lizard King" himself : Jim Morrisson... and certainly others can think of but not verify off hand... for the peace movement... and drug sales to cash up the stock market to boot... There's your peace movement... and then hello "NAFTA we Hafta" along with a host of other daft trade agreements selling out america's work force... Rock stoned america's jobs off to slave wage countries as corporations flocked to third world counties, India and China to take advantage of cheep labor and deregulated imports... and called this rape "free trade" in the name of anti racism! Ho ho ho... merry suckermas! Funny thing about weed may be that the real reason it is not legal is because it is so easy to grow and has properties that might cause worry to mega rich pharm industry (which can not put a patten on a plant)... like curing cancer! Nor promises, but hey... certainly many hospitals would go out of business with out cancer ! Is this why Zappa... who claimed never to smoke pot, sing "why is a vegetable something to hide?" He was the first to say on national tv that AIDES was a test tube baby of the industrial military establishment. How could a rock composer know such a thing? Maybe it had something to do with the fact his father worked there?! Just a supposition.
"The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power--Political, Monetary, Intellectual, and Ecclesiastical."-
U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater from his 1964 book "No Apologies"
"... when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people ... will hate the new world order ... and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to evaluate its promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people."
H. G. Wells, in his book entitled "The New World Order" (1939)
'Bankers own the earth; take it away from them but leave them with the power to create credit; and, with a flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again... If you want to be slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let the bankers control money and control credit.'?Sir Josiah Stamp, Director, Bank of England, 1940.
"We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent."
Statement made before the United States Senate on Feb. 7, 1950 by James Paul Warburg ("Angel" to and active in the United World Federalists), son of Paul Moritz Warburg, nephew of Felix Warburg and of Jacob Schiff, both of Kuhn, Loeb & Co. which poured millions into the Russian Revolution through James' brother Max, banker to the German government - See the Sisson Report
Posted by expatriot on 12/28/11 07:10 PM
NOTE / If anyone does not know who family Warburg is... google : Warburg - Federal Reserve Bank : the father was a key agent in it's creation and has a long close history with certain other banking families.??"The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is the American Branch of a society which originated in England ... (and) ... believes national boundaries should be obliterated and one-world rule established."
Professor of History Carroll Quigley, Georgetown University, in his book "Tragedy and Hope"
"At the old Inter-American Office in the Commerce Building here in Roosevelt's time, as Assistant Secretary of State for Latin American Affairs under President Truman, as chief whip with Adlai Stevenson and Tom Finletter at the founding of the United Nations in San Francisco, Nelson Rockefeller was in the forefront of the struggle to establish not only an American system of political and economic security but a new world order."
part of article in the New York Times (November 1975)
"... it's Bush's baby, even if he shares its popularization with Gorbachev. Forget the Hitler 'new order' root; F. D. R. used the phrase earlier."
William Safire, in the New York Times (February 1991)
"We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money."
Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Foreign Affairs (July/August 1995)
"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."
Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference in Evians, France, 1991
"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans."
Bill Clinton, USA Today on 3/11/93, page 2a
NOTE / "Fixated"?! An idiotically complex solution for the simple word fixed... or does he mean "asphyxiated"!? As stripping American rights being preached as a good idea by someone voted into national office sworn to protect the constitution seems about as toxic to me ! I am the people he is speaking of !
"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all."?Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, Time Magazine, July 20th, l992
NOTE / Now let's look with care at the real seat of power in the USA and see what he says :
"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
David Rockefeller, from his own book, Memoirs pg 405
"This present window of opportunity, during which a truly peaceful and interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for too long - We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
David Rockefeller Sept. 23, 1994
NOTE / September 11, 2001 anyone?! Again... this stuff is business as usual. The idea that 9/11 could have been an inside job is the stuff of far flung conspiracy theorys... and that is not the case... there is no conspiracy... this stuff is in plain site for all to see : business as usual... and that business is to take over the entire world. That's all. So these may be insiders... but are they americans? Do they give a flying flight 11 over who get's killed in their obvious plans for a "peaceful world" : has any other communist absolute systems... such as Stalin, Mao, Castro, Hitler (socialist) or a handful of others in South America; Africa or Asia done away with humanity for absolute political domination? No... all of them have ! So why worry?! Why bother?!
This might be something worth verifying statistically... but have read that during the 20th century, more people died by the hands of their own governments than via war (Mao takes the cake with 200 million killed by his industrial people's revolution, with Lennon and Stalin in second place with no less than 50 million christian orthodox peasants and a good few others dead by peoples communism... certainly : but the west is not worried about these 250 million people : name one blockbuster Hollywood movie about either of these huge gapingly ugly human tragidies ! Good luck ! Nope, not Sound of Music... close, but no cigar : only 6 million in that one : but it get's great press! And should too... but SO SHOULD THE OTHERS !)... so "give peace a chance" may not, sadly, be the answer! And if that sounds crazy... just go back and listen to promises made by incumbent candidates "read my lips... no new taxes" and so on... Do these people keep them? Not often, no. Either they have no real power, or they are liars, or both.
Now : Last but not least... in response to the heroic deep thinking of Ms. Rabinowitz of the Wall to Wall New World Order run Street Journal... (and Hey! Didn't make this stuff up... it is from the horses mouths and wide open for the sleepy public to see for themselves if they'd just ever skip a beer and a football match long enough to look !) What does the following statement imply?! :
"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the National auto determination practiced in past centuries"
David Rockefeller in an address to a Trilateral Commission meeting in June of 1991
Posted by speedygonzales on 12/28/11 12:43 PM
Gorbachev and the liberal Russians made no effort to save the problem-plagued home of world Communism. They simply allowed Russia to succumb to the many injuries inflicted upon itself and upon the far reaches of the Soviet empire, as a result of its "command economy." It seemed as though their real allegiances were with the West. Even today, Gorbachev is singing loudly that Putin needs to surrender now, without even trying to correct the political and economic shortcomings that are motivating people to take to the streets. Against this belief, we have the imaginings of the conspiracy theorists, who see a plot in every move. Their explanation suggested that the USSR's crumbling was a sinister sort of "judo move" by the Gorbachev and the Communists, to turn the tables on the Americans, buying time to recover what had been lost. If that was really the secret plan by the "powers that be," then why have they waited so long to make the next move that would put Russia on top? In that time, the US has merely stumbled, while the USSR disappeared. Perhaps the US was saved from itself by the brilliant CIA plan to create a new artificial enemy--"Islamist terror."
'We Soviets are going to do the worst possible thing to you Americans. We are going to deprive you of your worst enemy.'-Georgi Arbatov
Posted by taxesbyanyothername on 12/28/11 12:04 PM
At least it has gotten to the point that they HAVE to smear him; rather than just ignor.
This bill now, does not fit the slow boiling frog scenario, EVERYONE should be able to tell that this is wrong. And we should ALL be demanding its repeal.
Posted by dotti on 12/28/11 10:12 AM
Re: If RP were harmed, there would be such outrage by the American public, that no stone would be left unturned, no lead not followed, and no house left uncleaned.
I wish I could agree. Unfortunately, there are too many foxes in the henhouse. The hens cannot get them out. Most of the hens are too busy laying eggs to even care--as long as the fox is not after them, they remain oblivious. Sorry. Sad, but true.
Reply from The Daily Bell
Hm-mm ... the blow back would be severe in our view. There are millions of Ron Paul supporters and they are vocal. Smearing is the preferable mechanism here, in our humble view. That's why it's being used ...
Posted by jscottv on 12/28/11 06:40 AM
Good try Ekim... but as I am sure you realize Ron Paul IS NOT alone! He has hundreds of thousands of supporters. I certainly hope nothing happens to him, but standing up for your convictions and against tyranny is in the American core. If RP were harmed, there would be such outrage by the American public, that no stone would be left unturned, no lead not followed, and no house left uncleaned.
Posted by Merridth80 on 12/28/11 06:11 AM
Well if more people got off their butt's and voted we would not have the problems we have this day! Only people who thought they were getting something in return( Welfare/ legalization/free healthcare)are the ones stupid enough to elect barry soetoro aka b. obama!
Hope & Change in that arena is always a fool's game.
Let's get down to brass tacks, the sharp end, We don't need glib orator's fools who look great in their $1,000.00 suit's!
We are thinking Americans, let us go back to the premiss "You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear,"and if it seems to be to good to be true, it really is!!!!
Now, let us all get out to vote for the real deal, Dr. Ron Paul!
Posted by Abu Aardvark on 12/28/11 05:48 AM
"One guy has no chance what so ever ... "
Obviously, you DID read his words and contemplated his thoughts, though ... many others do as well.
"On résiste à l'invasion des armées; on ne résiste pas à l'invasion des idées."
Posted by ekim on 12/28/11 01:58 AM
Ron Paul is the answer? Really? No one man can do anything, do you believe that they can? They have about 300 idiots representing the elites, big oil, big money, and corporations, etc. One guy has no chance what so ever, he'd just get the speech "Do you want to end up like Kennedy?... ."
Good luck suckers
Posted by ekim on 12/28/11 01:52 AM
They had already done this for years now, we don't hear about it of course. Take what you want and leave the sheep in the dark. So what do all 275 million Americans do about it? Sit on the Sofa and eat chips and salsa. We the people took the red pill and now have no spine, just look at those Wall Street occupiers, no support just scoffs and looked down upon. Where is our hero's, people or our patriots? Just sit back in your cubical jamming away on that computer thanking God you have a job right? I just don't know any of you anymore. Good Luck...
Posted by Shelly on 12/27/11 11:33 PM
I totally agree they all should be tried for treason and like Thomas Jefferson said replaced by a real congress not in those words but he said it was our duty.
Posted by Shelly on 12/27/11 11:31 PM
Yes Thank God for a real hero a real statesman to bad his message wasn't reaching people long ago and perhaps we would't be here today . I just pray ThatD r. Paul will become president Paul ,he is already to me just that he is the only answer to help what was once the greatest country in the world or at least I thought it was , I have had so many disaapointments about a few of our leaders I use to thin Jimmy carter was just picked on and sooooooo sweet oh my god I can see his bohemian grove deEvil just pure evil all of them. And people are just doing nothing, or at least ignoring, if I tell them about th bill to kill americans no judge no charge, no nothing they just look at me and walk away .
Posted by Friend_of_John_Galt on 12/27/11 07:06 PM
I think that every Senator or Representative who voted for this abomination ought to be charged with treason and violation of their oath of office. That would be about 97 of the Senators.