Exclusive Interview
G. Edward Griffin on Quick Fixes, the Looming Great War and Loss of Elite Moral Authority
The Daily Bell is pleased to present this exclusive interview with G. Edward Griffin.
Introduction: G. Edward Griffin is a film producer, author and political lecturer. He is the founder of Freedom Force International, a libertarian-oriented activist network focused on advancing individual freedom. First released in 1994, Mr. Griffin's best-selling financial book, The Creature from Jekyll Island, is a no-holds-barred look into the inner workings of the Federal Reserve banking system, or cartel if you will. Mr. Griffin's literary contributions are especially noteworthy given the validity of his vision and the exciting and troublesome nature of the times in which we live.
Daily Bell: Let's jump right in. Are we seeing significant price inflation now?
G. Edward Griffin: It depends on how you define significant, I suppose. I think it's significant. My personal feeling is the price index is greatly distorted. They keep fiddling with the formula to make it look as good as possible but real inflation, at least here in the States, in terms of the major components of what people buy to live day to day, such as groceries, gasoline and clothing, my feeling is that inflation is already at the double digits. I think it's ten percent if not more. That I think is significant but then again it's nothing compared to what I think we are going to see.
It seems to me that probably within the next two years we will be experiencing 15, 20, 25, 30 percent and so forth. It may be much higher because I have a feeling there is a certain tipping point coming when people finally realize – and they always do – in any country where the currency is grinding down. There comes to be a point, like in Russia or in Germany, for example, when inflation was modest and then within a period of a few weeks inflation was way, way out of proportion. It was a psychological factor that made the difference. Nothing else changed except the awareness level that the money was no good. So I kind of think we are going to see similar psychological influence like that here and probably we will catch up with all the inflation that should have been in the market very quickly.
Daily Bell: Are the elites running scared?
G. Edward Griffin: I don't think the power elites are running scared, no. I think they are very confident that everything is under control. I think they are not worried about the crisis because they want the crisis; the crisis is part of the plan. The monetary crisis, the military crisis, social crisis, racial tensions, crime crisis, environmental crisis – those things all feed into their plan because that's what frightens people and what makes them passive to accept all these programs that they offer to expand government and increase taxes. So I don't think they are running scared. I think they're saying to themselves very comfortably that 'everything is on track and things are going according to plan and exactly as we wanted.'
Daily Bell: Is the central banking economy breaking down?
G. Edward Griffin: I think the answer to that is yes. It has been breaking down since the day it was created but it's a question of how obvious it is and a question of how tolerant the population will be to allow it to continue to crumble. Yes, it's coming down to some very serious challenges to the various governments as they try to figure out how to patch up the ship, to patch up the holes. Maybe that's a bad example. Maybe what I should be saying is they are finding some way to continue to pump up the bubble, making the bubble go bigger so it doesn't blow up. They have to pump it bigger because if they don't they lose control.
Now, that doesn't sound like a good answer to your question but I really don't think so because the assumption in that question is that the banking system has been running correctly in the past or is running correctly now, or there is some way to save the banking system. I think the implication of that question is that the banking system is ok, or it has been ok, or is coming apart now. I think that is the wrong assumption because the system has been built on fraud from the very beginning and, as I said, it started to fall apart from the very day it was conceived. I don't think we should worry about how to save the banking system. I think we should be thinking about how we could let it blow up and get it out of our way, and how to restore a real, honest banking system and not one based on fraud and political favoritism.
Daily Bell: Do you see the elites losing moral authority?
G. Edward Griffin: I definitely think the elites are losing, if they've not already lost, the moral authority with most thinking people. Now, how many are in that category? Let me think about that. People who really understand what's going on in the news I don't think have had much feeling about moral authority of the elites for a long, long time. But I think the great bulk of the people who are turning to government for salvation, for benefits, for leadership and all that sort of thing still have it somehow in the back of their minds that these political and financial leaders are looking out for their best interest, that large group of people, whatever size that group may be. I don't think they are losing moral authority.
I think it's like the situation described 100 years ago by Fredrick Bastiat in his book, The Law. He said when you have a society where people expect the government to take care of them and to solve all the problems, then when things start go bad people blame the government for it. That doesn't mean the government loses moral authority; it means the people become angry with the government. They say, "This person isn't doing the job right so let's find another person who will" – essentially, let's start switching from one dictator to another. They all want dictators to run their lives for them so they give those people, those dictators, the moral authority to run their lives and they don't object to that but they get mad at them because they're not doing a good job.
For example, you see that in our election this year one candidate from one party is debating the candidate from the other party and they are talking about jobs. They say, "Vote for me and I'll bring jobs back to America," as though the president of the United States has any right or authority or power to create jobs. Who the heck expects the president to create jobs? If people expect the government or the president to do all these things for them and then they fail to do so, they get mad at the president or the dictator but they don't want to change the system. I am trying to make a distinction here between this moral authority, which I think a lot of people still grant to their leaders, and the fact that they become angry with them because their leaders don't give them enough benefits.
Daily Bell: Do the elites intend to plunge the world into war and recession?
G. Edward Griffin: I am trying to be very precise in my thinking on this. I think the elites are prepared to plunge the world into utter chaos, if necessary, for them to maintain their control. It's not that they want to or that they intend to but they have no qualms against it if it becomes necessary. They don't really care about mankind; they look at the average working person as an asset, like cattle on a farm or a piece of livestock. They don't want to jolt the livestock with a cattle prod. It's not that they want to do that but if cattle get out of line, well, where's the cattle prod? I think that the people who are really calling the shots in the major societies and governments of the world are really pretty indifferent to the personal suffering or the personal lot of the individual citizen. They may talk a lot about it, they may give speeches about it, they may give lip service to human rights and these things but when push comes to shove, they are only concerned about one thing and that's the perpetuation of their own power.
Daily Bell: What about Ron Paul?
G. Edward Griffin: Well, what were we taught? I think on the positive side we learned from the Ron Paul campaign that the spirit of liberty is not dead; in fact, it's alive and well. We saw a continuation of his growth of real commitment to the principles of liberty in the form of this growing movement behind Ron Paul in the face of strong opposition from the media, academia and the political parties themselves. It told me that the potential is there so I am greatly encouraged by that.
The thing I learned from this, and this was very much out in the open for everyone to see, is that the leadership of both parties is totally indifferent to the rank and file of their own party members. We particularly saw this at the Republican convention where they had certain programs where they wanted to liberalize rules for future conventions so that it would be more difficult for minority candidates to even be nominated. They already had rules that made it more difficult but they were afraid that Ron Paul was going to meet those requirements so now they want to change the rules to make it even more difficult for anyone to do that. And it was clear that the rank and file members of the convention did not want that but you could tell by the way the voting was run they didn't care what the vote was. They called for a voice vote, yay or nay, and it sounded even. You saw it on television. A huge block shouted yea, a huge block shouted nay yet the chairman said, 'That's it,' deems that the yeas have it and they went on to the next issue.
So things like that brought out into the open the fact that the leadership of the Republican Party and similar things have happened in the Democrat Party, too. They really don't care. Oh wait – that's not true. They do care about what the rank and file party members want as long as they can override them. They want to make sure that only those people coming to the convention have the correct point of view. In other words, it's not a democratic process and that is something everybody should have seen in the open and a great lesson to learn from this campaign.
Daily Bell: Rand Paul?
G. Edward Griffin: I don't have too many thoughts about him. I like everything Rand Paul stands for and I know he's been greatly influenced by his father. I don't like everything about Rand Paul. I didn't care for his decision to support the Romney campaign but I can understand that maybe he feels that's necessary to garner some kind of niche in the Republican Party. So I might disagree with his strategy. In fact, that's probably a good reason I am not in politics. I would just stand on principal on everything and be shot down over some little minor issue where if I had compromised on something minor I might still be standing for the major issues. But nevertheless, I like Rand Paul and I hope he will become the rallying point for continuation of the Ron Paul Revolution.
Daily Bell: Romney?
G. Edward Griffin: Well, I've known about Romney for many, many years and he is a total creature of the establishment, a total creature of the status quo. He's offered no substantial change in the major policies of this country. He represents the very thing that's been destroying this country, and that is this very false contest between Republicans and Democrats. I think Mr. Romney is playing that game beautifully, giving conservative Republicans the false sense that if they just vote for him everything's going to be fine.
In reality I know that Mr. Romney and Mr. Obama think almost exactly alike on almost everything, or at least on important things. Both of them support fiat money and they both support the Federal Reserve System – they don't want any changes there. They both support an aggressive US foreign policy overseas, they want our troops in every country in the world, they want us to dominate the world and they want to continue these wars, the important things.
Another important issue is US sovereignty. Are we going to stay as an independent nation, will Canada remain an independent nation, will all countries remain independent, or will they become submerged and lose their sovereignty in the UN? Mr. Romney and Mr. Obama are in agreement on that. They both favor the UN. So I look at the three major issues, really the biggest of them all, and I don't see any difference between Obama and Romney because there's no difference between the Republican and the Democrat Parties at the top.
Daily Bell: Obama?
G. Edward Griffin: Well, what can I say about Obama that hasn't already been said? Obama is a man of the left side of the political spectrum who believes in collectivism, big government and small individuals, standing firmly against Mr. Romney, who is standing firmly on the right side of the political spectrum, representing big government and small people. The two wings of the same ugly bird, called collectivism. Obama is playing his role beautifully. He's somebody for all of the conservatives to hate so they will vote for Romney, and Romney plays his role beautifully as someone for all the progressives and all the liberals to hate so they can vote for Obama. And in that process nothing really changes.
Daily Bell: Let's take a look around the world. Are the US and the world possibly headed for a global depression? Are we in one already?
G. Edward Griffin: I believe that the word depression is somewhat slippery and needs to be defined. I think we are already moving deeply into depression globally. It is true there are certain little pockets where it is hard to tell there's a depression but those are just little pockets. I look around where I live and I'm very fortunate. When I drive into town I see nothing but Mercedes and BMW's and all these expensive cars. All these expensive restaurants are loaded but I know that this is the last little tip of the island that hasn't been engulfed yet.
The water is rising all around us. You go into most of Los Angeles and you don't see that kind of affluence at all, and in most countries you hardly see that, except in the areas where the elite and the ruling class and the financial class live. I think, to answer your question, we are moving deeper and deeper into depression, no matter how you want to define that word, in the sense that it means economic hardship for more and more people. And we are going to continue in that direction as long as we follow the same economic policies that we have been following. If we tolerate the same people in public office we will have the same policies.
Daily Bell: Is China headed for a hard landing?
G. Edward Griffin: I'm questioning the assumption behind that question because it assumes that China is now flying high. I think that what we have seen in the media, the impressions we have seen of this great prosperity in China, is not as accurate as the reality. I think that once you get out of the cities, the tourist centers and the financial areas of the big cities of China and you go out in the country you will find destitution and poverty and despair and hunger. China has not been doing anywhere near as well as we've been told by our own mainstream media. I think they have and the Chinese themselves have been trying to build up themselves in the view of the world but I think also the American press has been trying to build up China and show it off as kind of a new show place of the world. I don't know why, unless it's the fact that China is a communist country and maybe this is an indirect way of showing the world that communism isn't so bad, that maybe communism is better than capitalism, and then we're back to all those words again.
But the information I have and primarily the information from people who have come from China is that the appearance of prosperity that we see there is mostly an appearance and it may be true for a very small percentage of the population but it's a hollow image. Many of those big high-rise buildings that we see are empty. The train stations they build in the suburban areas are empty; nobody goes to those stations. They have beautiful apartment buildings that they have built but they are empty because nobody can afford them. So when you ask whether China is due for a hard landing, I would answer I don't think China ever took off.
Daily Bell: If China goes out what can stop a global depression? Is the American economy rebounding as they say?
G. Edward Griffin: I don't think the American economy is rebounding. I am not sure who it is, who they are, except for the people who have a vested interest in having the world believe that it is. In other words, the financial industry, of course, and the political industry are groups with a great vested interest in keeping people content with the status quo. So any information or any editorial opinions to the fact that the economy is not rebounding are repugnant to them because that might lead people to say, "Hey, it might be time for a change." I think when you use the words, "like they say it is," we need to take a careful look at who "they" are that are saying it.
A lot of observers are not in positions within the financial industry or in the political industry, just people on the street, local newspaper reporters, people in business. See what they are saying and you get a whole different story. What I am trying to say is I don't think the economy is rebounding at all. I think what "they" are telling us is not true.
Daily Bell: What strikes you most about the world today, generally speaking?
G. Edward Griffin: Well, you've got me in kind of a negative mood here and I'm a bit worried about it but I'm trying to be honest. I don't consider myself to be a pessimist nor do I consider myself an optimist. I like to consider myself a realist and I don't think we can solve our problems by pretending that things are better than they are. It's not just a sales meeting where we have to put on a smile and tell everybody that sales are great, all your friends are making great sales and all you have to do is get out of your negative mood, get out there and sell, sell, sell.
Sometimes there are situations like that where morale can make a difference. But when it comes to the economy, I think the role of morale makes a small difference in terms of optimism in the market and willingness to go out and spend your money. But the more important elements are not just psychological; they are productivity and free-market oriented decisions, the freedom to make an investment or the freedom to make a bad investment or to make a change and so forth. Those things are absent in our society today so I don't know how to answer your question except to say I don't think the economy is rebounding and I don't think pretending that it is will help in any way.
Daily Bell: What's going on in America? Homeland Security continues to expand. Where is this increased authoritarianism coming from?
G. Edward Griffin: Boy, these are hard questions but they are good questions and they are the questions that nobody wants to ask because they don't want to hear the answer. Nobody wants to hear that there is no quick fix. Everybody wants to say, "What are you going to do about it?" and that means what are you going to do about it before November and the elections. Then that boils down to who are you going to vote for? They think if you check the right box, choose the right candidate or choose the right political party that everything is okay.
Well, our problems are much deeper than that and therefore the solutions are much more complex than that. I don't think that the solutions to the problems, at least right here in the United States, have anything to do with voting for the right candidate because the major candidates, as I said before, both represent essentially the same thing so that is not an option. You cannot vote your way out of this mess we are in because you don't have that option on the ballot box.
So what is the solution then? Well, you've got to make sure in the next election, or the one after that, that we do have some options. Now, that's a long-range process. People have to get up off their couches and out where the masses are. They have to do some education, they have to do some activism, they have to run for office and they have to replace those collectivists that are in positions of power so that the next time the election rolls around you will have some options. That, nobody one wants to hear, because it represents a lot of work, a lot of time and a lot of personal sacrifice.
Daily Bell: It seems so methodical and deliberate. Who's behind it?
G. Edward Griffin: I don't think there is any one person behind all of this. I think it's a fact of the system we live in. I come back and use the word collectivism. The world is in the grip of this ideology called collectivism, the concept that the state is more important than the individual and that the individual must be sacrificed, if necessary, for the greater good of the greater number. That concept has taken over the world. As long as we have that concept we have the concept that follows it, which is that government must be the solver of all problems, government is the source of all good, government provides the leadership and we must do what the government says because it's for our own good. That's the theory. Now, as long as that exists then government becomes a magnet, a magnet that draws to it the predator class, people who want to run your life and mine and want to do it legally. They want to take our stuff but they don't want to go to jail for it so they go to work for the government.
Now they can do it legally and they come up with all kinds excuses – they're going to fight crime, they can fight terrorism and they are going to fight the destruction of the planet. They are going to do all these things that everyone applauds them for but in reality what they are really doing is they want our stuff and they want to control our lives. This becomes their excuse for doing that. So in order to really bring about change we have to change the system itself so that the magnet is turned off.
As long as we accept the philosophy of collectivism, this concept that big government has the solution for everything, we will never solve our problems. They will just get worse because the magnet that draws to it all this predator class will stay and the predators will stay. They will come, they will grow in number and we will be preyed upon.
Daily Bell: What's your take generally on the health of the Internet these days?
G. Edward Griffin: The Internet, I think, is doing very well these days but it is showing signs of attack. I used the word predators a minute ago and I will continue with that. The predators don't like the Internet because it's a means of communication they cannot control. As you know, there has been a lot of talk lately at the national level and the international level at the UN about why it's so important to control the Internet. They use all these good excuses – they want to stop child pornography, they say there's cyber terrorism and all these good things they want to control – but you and I know what they really want to control is our personal communication, and the rest of that is just an excuse. They want to clamp down on the Internet so it's no longer a vehicle for people like me to express my views. So I am worried about the future health of the Internet and I just hope more people will come and defend the Internet against these attacks, which we know are coming.
Daily Bell: What's your take on these expanding Middle Eastern wars?
G. Edward Griffin: Oh, boy. That's a big question. At the general level, I guess I have to say I'm as concerned as anyone else because it certainly looks like it's moving toward another great world war, and people have been predicting that for a long time. I am afraid of that, as I am sure the people in the Middle East are, too. On a more subtle level, I think the possibility of a great world conflict is tailor-made to the agenda of the new world order people because they want to scare the daylights out of the people – and what better excuse to get people to stop reading the Daily Bell or Unfiltered News?
They will convince people that we are at war and we can't tolerate this kind of stuff anymore. We only have one thing to worry about now and that's how to save our lives. Everyone will panic and say we have to close down dissent, we have to rally behind our leaders and we must have unity if we are going to survive. So I can see on a more subtle level that this great, horrible catastrophe that we all fear might be desirable to that maniacal group that is trying to put together what is called the new world order.
Daily Bell: Any new projects you want to tell us about?
G. Edward Griffin: When they get through reading the Daily Bell, your readers should come over and sign up for a free subscription to Unfiltered News. We're very happy with the response we have had to that and we are looking for new readers. You can find that at www.realityzone.com.
Daily Bell: Any last words? Any resources you want to mention?
G. Edward Griffin: My last words are: I'm really not as pessimistic as I may sound. I do have great hope for the future because I see a growing groundswell of awakening and understanding. As long as we recognize that reform is not going to happen overnight, if we recognize that true reform, lasting reform, will probably take a generation or two, then there is great cause to rejoice because we have set in place now ideas and structures and movements that cannot be stopped. It's just a question of maybe another generation, and the work that we are doing now will be like seeds that will grow all the trees and will then later drop more seeds and grow more trees. We've started a process now that within a generation or two has to mature and cannot be stopped. Freedom is assured.
Daily Bell: Thanks again, Ed, for being so generous with your time. We're sure our readers are appreciative, too.
G. Edward Griffin: Well, that's very kind of you. Thank you.
Like us, Edward Griffin sees the world in terms of those who are trying to control culture and society, especially in the West, and those who are trying to escape control.
Not being a pessimist, he's focused on what is improving in the world and certainly there is much that is positive as well as negative.
We've called what is taking place today the Internet Reformation and postulated that globalist elites are having increasing difficulties in terms of controlling how people think about the world.
Once people are free to come to their own conclusions, guiding the world in a certain direction, toward globalism, becomes increasingly difficult.
One of the main methods that elites use to steer society is by promoting what we call dominant social themes. These are fear-based "scarcity" promotions – and before the Internet was developed it was difficult to see how deliberate they were and how their inculcation worked.
But now we can see clearly how such memes are generated. We can determine, if we spend the time, where they are generated and even who is (generally speaking) responsible for them. Ed Griffin himself started this process of education with his great book, The Creature From Jekkyl Island, about the Federal Reserve. In the very near future, the Daily Bell will also focus on tactics individuals can employ to protect their assets, wealth and freedoms during a transition period that will no doubt include a heavy dose of chaos and turmoil.
It is not enough to just discuss the "problems." Without arming oneself with viable "life solutions," the knowledge is devoid of power. We believe in human action and the benefits that accrue from taking personal responsibility for our own lives. The solutions we will introduce are practical, viable and ideal, we believe, for many current free-market thinkers.
It is always good to speak to Ed because he reminds us of how compelling his message was when he first published his book and how far the process of re-education has come since then.
What is even more remarkable is that Ed Griffin is still helping lead the charge, still active and still concerned.
Nobody forced Ed Griffin to fight for freedom but we're sure glad he did.
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Posted by expatriot on 10/22/12 02:48 PM
On RJOGuillory's comment somewhere below... part one
Nice idea my friend. Such, however, would require some sort of power play. As things stand, the power (market share, oil, think tanks, government, law, military, police, etc) is in the hands of those who your NCC would oppose (even though in reality people are the source of power : they do not understand this and think "oh poor me, little me : what can I do?")... They could boycot a great deal of products, ban the banks, etc... if they were smarter.
Indeed, the corruption likely in Congress and Senate is a direct result of corruption by multinational corporations (read the real OWNers of these corporations including central banks likely at the top) which, dangle these lessor corrupt from above as puppets (or JFK them in public : with a magic bullet that goes visibly though the front of the head from the back side : duh!)... but even if by some stroke of miracle such an NCC could be effected, the nature of these "legal beings" are international... not national... so they'd slip out of reach like a well greased octopus... in a dream : and shape shift their power and control to somewhere else.
The objective of the elite is likely (or at least seemingly) to smash America and rid it's self of the last remnants of democracy... and when people get hungry, there will likely be violence which plays right into the hands of these same super rich control freaks... because the pillage and plunder will be between the people.
The only hope is that if such push comes to shove, enough people will understand to not take it out on the middle man (the puppet class of Obamas and Romneys) and next door neighbors... but rather hunt down the super rich robber barons (not the rich class who worked to build small fortunes : but the generational super rich who chair elitiest clubs and think tanks, owner of huge corporations and central banks... But indeed, do not and will not encourage such violence... but if that is what things do come to... best go after the secretive behind closed doors perpetrators, not the puppets. If anyone can figure out who and where such cloudy people really are! Likely out on the seven seas on big yachts at that moment enjoying the news...
When general Smedely Butler blew the whistle on a proposed coop by pro Nazi americans, Roosevelt (their target) could have tried these powerful men for treason and had them hung... but he felt that they (mostly the biggest american names in industry and banking at that time) were too largely pillars of american structure to do this, so he let it slide... a great pity! Or a crime as indeed FDR does not quite smell like the rose the followers of Lyndon LaRouche paint him... not to me anyway.
Indeed, when Obama claims to kill suspected terrorists openly such as Bin Laden... what are people dancing in the street for?! Obama openly went above the processes of law and dictated to kill suspected criminals openly... By american constitutional law these suspects are innocent until tried and proved guilty. This thus admits what BO's job really is : not presiding over the american constitution, but dictating it ! Of course Obama is a hand picked and trained elitiest plant and if his name is really Barry Soetoro!!?? And thus PERHAPS the man is not even really american (thus not legally president : well again he has shown he is not president by taking the law into his own hands!)... well that scenario does at least offer the sort of "ha ha" the secret societies would likely get a big kick out of which Mr Everyday would have as much a hard time believing as the idea that 9/11 was "an inside job" (Indeed what is "an inside job" if our government is run by a private central bank whose undisclosed owners are not obviously american? (but certainly like to be NWO globalists who certainly have large stakes in oil which "ho ho ho" : doubled in price the first day the stock market reopened after the WTC fell into it's foot print... building 7 and all)... Motive there is far more likely than any motive by a rich fundamentalist with a hokey beard in a cave. Some how we have little problem beleiving Al Capone machine gunned people to up his profits on booze... booze being a tiny market in compare to oil... but we would not dream that a power elite who dominate oil or banking industry would "do that!" .. hum ho.
Private central banks (with undisclosed NWO - OWNers) seemingly have bought themselves centralised governments (including ours) which can now openly play dictator (with the bought, paid for left & right puppets of their choice) while the dumbed down people/sheeple (partly though education, media and a poisoned industrial food chain which puts shelf life of products way above health) jump for joy ! So where will the power come from to implement such a contra power?!
The people are indeed growing understandably angry (but not smarter) as losing their shirts, homes, jobs and food resources can indeed pee most people off (now over 41 million Americans strong on food stamps, way way up since BO took oath : via Obama's socialist/communist central "fix" big government control (programs = programmed : thus food control, health control and yes : total control = total lack of freedom) ; so that our next "democratic dictator puppet" in line can, in the name of say "conservatism", now that all these people are dependant (hooked) on big government hand outs (free phones?! What foolish propaganda nonsense!), shift gears by removing this hiked up handed out fix into "sorry : we are out of money now" thus "hello starvation" (which should be no big surprise if people listen to the elite who cry "population control" and "population reduction" at every corner) : as such dependent millions will then go cold turkey thus die along with social unrest and violence (perhaps to be met by FEMA gulag style camps as some of the more paranoid seem to suspect?) as part of the death throes)... but they won't know why or at who to really blame... Information, even on the internet, is inundated or countered with misinformation. If under Obama's watch, he brings down the USA (bankruptcy or run on the dollar)... this is the very domino which needs to fall to shake the world hard enough for a one world government thus install... Under Obama the public effect would become a racist issue blamed on him (which is why I suspect BO will win even though Romney has a huge financial support base : but this support is so that that Romney's solutions : or worse : Ryan's solutions will be the next step : this time or next, as indeed 4 years is a drop in the bucket to the elitist's global governance movement perhaps centuries now in the making : but do suspect with all the interest in blood line and family, the elite are very much racist, so would be all to happy to blame their own puppet who is not exactly snow white, although indeed a living fairy tail)... but if Romney or his successor moves in to effect this felled domino... it will be blamed on the sitting puppet at that time (or the one before who seemingly set it up)... People will always attack the ugly mask. Hitler was an ugly mask : no one ever went after the people who financed him into power and profited on all sides off his insanely inspired military industrial bonaza : involved industrialists and central banks all expanded their huge fortunes. Now one sees well to do jewish people driving around proudly in Mercades, Porches and Fords (oh yes), with cakes of L'Oreal make up... full of fine print chemicals which are certainly dangerous for health... using IBM machines (oh yes again) and so on : all nazi inspired industries : not to mention Standard Oil : perhaps the biggest offender. People refuse to see the little man behind the curtain of Oz... Toto was smarter than humanity!
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Posted by expatriot on 10/22/12 02:47 PM
part 2
The long and short of the matter is that if people have permitted an elite class of robber barons to dumb them down, drown them into trivial non think, the glass teet of canned laughter, artless music, propaganda, political understanding based on football scores, etc : both "read my lips" style political slogans to "Coke Adds Life" commercial goobledy-gook so they will buy what Steve Jobs called "sugar water" (addictive sugar overdose in our food chain being a major culprit in the disintegration of general health followed only by yet worse havoc that chemical sweeteners, and then most all fast fun easy industrial processed foods in general : which via additives and refrigeration add artificially "shelf life" thus commercial profit rather than fresh healthy food) ...
There will always be an elite in one form or another. There is no free ride to freedom. People need to become responsible. As such the powers the be are not about to set up court to have themselves jailed and put out of business. If there were a coup (which jailed the elite)... that would likely lead to a next elite.
Even if at first the neuvo powers eased up... In time the power always boomerangs back to the people and their mind set who crave a free ride. This is why the biggest weapon on earth is TV and internet. Unfortunately as the masses love to be stupid and wallow in comfortable non think... guess what... a clever elite will always ride them until they bleed... sadly enough it will remain a rather small minority who come here to think about free markets !
In the words of Janis Joplin "Freedom's just another word when nothing's left to lose... "
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Posted by expatriot on 10/22/12 09:45 AM
First, doubtlessly Edward G Robinson... opps! I Mean G. Edward Griffin (ah hem!) is a redoubtable light and mentor who deserves the highest respect. Bravo...
Although I find some of his answers seem to "catch 22" a bit...
Basically between the idea that the power elite are not running scared and yet the central banking economy is braking down followed by yes the elites are losing... at least moral authority seems somehow a head on collision of which way the coin is falling to me... unless he simply means the elite are too stupid to understand what is really going on... which sadly I doubt could be the case. But it may depend a bit by what exactly he means by "breaking down" : does that mean the general scam is becoming exposed, or does that mean the general scam's nuts and bolts are coming loose from the inside and failing to scam the the way the scam is supposed to work for the elitest scamers? However such is the world that often things which make the least sense seem to dominate. As such the controls over our respective societies are being upped (police, taxes, bailouts, nafta we hafta, and so on) because those who control are losing it?! Right up to the divide and conquer theory that once you smash both sides they are weak enough to control...
The very use of the word "moral authority" seems to me an oxymoron. As "authority" in nature generally indicates the strong which dominate over the "moral" majority who fall in line and obey authority... even though history clearly shows the great fortunes basically come from some sort of rape pillage and plunder of general humanity.
Frankly, I agree that the power elite are not running scared, first they are far to rich to feel hunger nor fear the way most of us are programmed to, even if they feel the mounting public pressures against their doings ; however again, if there is a problem there it seems more likely it would be between themselves in some sort of power struggle near the top of the pyramid over the eventual world control system they all openly hope for. But then this sort of squabble would be rather hard to detect from where most of use sit (outside their Clubs... of Rome, Bilderburger, The Triladeral Commission, the CFR, the Vatican, secret societies such as Scull and Bones, Bohemian Grove, shadow government, real government, CIA, Mossad, MI6, KGB and so on and so forth : all being rather compartmetalized... 'to avoid cognitive dissonance"... and secretive tools of the world elite) . If we could better know what goes on between elites behind closed doors, "we the people"
... .or at least those of us who to some extent think or make effort to think among "we the people" : which indeed may well also be a rather tiny minority which could be called the "free thinkers" of some epochs or upped to a rather "free intellectual elite" (by "free" meaning here not attached to Harvard or Oxford or some other institutional endevor such as think tanks and such) even if we shun the notion of elitism...
Indeed "we the people" could then do a bit of educated divide and conquer ourselves to avoid this one world government being now put in place by the robber baron class, for the robber barons of the world. Of course the real catch 22 here is that it might need some other "democratic" one world government into place (fight fire with fire) to avoid this one and that : but alas, even if such could be achieved and it started out as an open honest endevor, it too would likely, nature being what it is, turn into the same corrupt monster in time. Without an opposition world government, the world robber barons will always have safe havens to squirrel their spoils and corporations, regroup and attack until they regain full control.
Moving on GEG sees the positive side of the Ron Paul campaign in the spirit that "liberty is not dead". Well, frankly, I feel that the message, likely controlled exactly through rules, faked vote counts, media and other such controls that indeed "freedom" does not win and thus eventually is cowed seemingly by democratic choice... to Hades with the constitution! Ciao amigo! Next...
Rather than run as an independent Libertarian, "Mr. Freedom" accepts defeat and it's child protege, Rand, who even GEG does not think worth thinking much about... supports the status quo right hand puppet.
Yo! Freedom has lost. Accept that... that is the message here. Yes some people still want this (me fore example), but these are a small minority.
Frankly if Ron Paul were really the serious libertarian we see him as, he'd get tough and kiss the Republican party goodbye and run as an independent Libertarian. One way he could have done this is to position himself in the middle (he could still do this and take the election) and team up with some one with similar (although indeed not identical) views towards liberty such as Ralph Nader (some one I suspect is just as honest and humanity oriented as RP)... seems to me that would knock the pants off the stupid idea that if RP runs, he'd have the RN year 2000 election effect on the republican party thus make it lose this election ... as if republicans and the democrats are really under the visible surface different (two masks over the same elite faces)... together they'd take votes from both sides... and maybe even win ! Hello?! Some how I think these two men could come to terms between themselves to govern rather well... at least a heck of a lot better than the usual set up puppets! Indeed, just the merger would cause a huge enough stir in the press that every one (in spite of the overwhelming dumbed down slogan oriented "cult of stupidity" we all live in. example : Click to view link) would know they are there !This would be a giant step out of the right left march in the same bleak direction.
As for what Rand Paul stands for... frankly between what is mentioned now : his endorsing the bought and paid for right wing puppet, and during the oil gusher when he endorsed the idea of simply letting the oil corporations which caused the problem have a free hand to fix the problem... frankly I find this guy not on par with his father... but rather with what the dubiously assasinated John Lennon called "the establishment"... which of course is what this paper calls the money elite... Shell Oil is exactly that... a legal person above the law, above the president and indeed even if only they have the technology to fix such a problem... to simply give them free hand to do it and then with a slap of the wrist let bygones be bygones... is pure bull-donkey... (right-left march in the same bleak direction).
Now, even an interesting spokesmen for scientific thinking such as Michio Kaku (one must thus wonder where he gets his finances) puts those of us who oppose the a one world government idea (which I'd imagine might be a majority of readers of this paper) to be the real terrorists : : Click to view link
Who need violence : ideas against the "elite over-world" are enough!
Cheers all !
Reply from The Daily Bell
"Frankly if Ron Paul were really the serious libertarian we see him as, he'd get tough and kiss the Republican party goodbye and run as an independent Libertarian."
... he already did.
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Posted by DennisF on 10/08/12 11:46 PM
Dr. Wile, I am glad to see that your comments in response to Edward Griffin are not merely philosophical reflections but go beyond to point out the need for planning and action in view of the circumstances. Those who awaken to the realities of the present social order typically go through several phases, as I did in the late '90s:
1. General diffuse but mild discontent about the social state.
2. A critical event occurs that triggers a desire to get to the bottom of what is going on.
3. Serious effort to leave the fog of disinformation and Establishment deception, and an awakening to the actual state of social affairs.
4. Temporary disorientation as the immensity of the newly-perceived reality sinks in, in all its implications.
5. A resolve builds to determine how to respond, in the form of a plan.
6. Execution of the plan.
These steps take time and peoiple who are early in this process might not have enough to optimze their oiptions in the later phases. Still, better late than never.
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Posted by allan on 10/06/12 05:43 AM
China is doing fine. Don't believe deceitful words about China.
China has never invaded anyone and have no intention to. Don't fall for the false-flag setups! The term given by the west "shadow banking" is misleading indeed. The only "shadow" is the Chinese government backing up their banks themself and not with general public's money as in "bailing out" in the US and EU.
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Posted by ralph schindler on 10/05/12 01:43 AM
CHINA good commies and bad commies the bad on the way out.They invented paper and made it very valuable, they traded with Pharo they bild their country one person at the time, and do not destroy it, they do not export murder or killing
they invented gun powder and everyone in the world used it impropely except the CHINESE. for more on china call 504 833 4357
Ralph Schindler Sr.
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Posted by RJOGuillory on 10/02/12 12:33 PM
continued...
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As a first step, I would recommend the following:
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A National Constitutional Convention - designed to re-invigorate the original founding concepts, rights and status of American Citizens, while amending The Constitution for a 21st century America and its social realities. Additionally, the NCC will be empowered to impeach every member of the standing US Government, and will remove them from office. And by Impeach and Remove, I mean all of them. Every standing member of Congress, The Senate, The President and Vice President, and especially the Supreme Court which voted to allow and approve kidnapping and torture. All of them, gone.
- National Grand Jury - impaneled for whatever period of time is necessary to investigate and prosecute all members of government known to have violated their oaths of office, as well as committing treason, larceny and murder on an international scale, with no statute of limitations. NGJ-Citizen Investigators should be required to open up all of the American Government Archives across our entire history, and we as a people should be told the truth with regard to historic criminal activities.
- Additionally, the NGJ will be empowered to dismantle (through force if necessary) the CIA, the FBI, all 'Continuity of Government' plans, operations and operatives, including the US Department of Justice, the EPA, The DoD and every other liberty-sucking parasite that still exists within our compromised government. (These entities can all be reconstructed at a later date, under more limited and ethical standards, if necessary)
- Freeze & Seize Financial Assets- Freeze and seize all financial assets of any member of government for the last forty years. All of them…seize all of their assets, and create a legal process or method for the 'innocent' to get their assets returned to them (perhaps with interest). However, for the vast majority of traitorous souls who have been abusing their positions and the citizens for well over forty years…make them prove that the fortune is legally, ethically theirs; make them prove it didn't come from decades of corrupt acts. Make them show that their ill-gotten millions in self-worth did not come from abusing abusing their oaths or position.
- If not, just like we ordinary citizens who have tolerated our cars being impounded, our property seized and the other elements of the current two-tiered justice system, let the thieves and killers of the last forty years fight to stay out of prison, the death-chamber, or the poor house… just like the rest of us.
Regards,
RJ O'Guillory
Author-
Webster Groves-The Life of an Insane Family
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Posted by RJOGuillory on 10/02/12 12:31 PM
... something I wrote a while back... a little philosophy and observation at the beginning... but action-based solutions at the end... (if only we could get the train moving in this direction...
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Thrift Store America
You can see it in the real estate. You can feel the retreat from prosperity and purpose. You can sense the poverty and the loss of an entire generation of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness… and you can see the, 'beginning of the end', for the America of our childhood conditioning.
Lost in the All-American, time-honored barrage of local moving sales, rummage & yard sales, and the sad but admirable explosion of Thrift and Second-Hand Stores, you can witness the decay of the legend and myth,…the stories told to us in our youth of what America was supposed to be,…and to be about.
The signs are clear on a local level; uncounted closed down businesses, thousands, if not millions of houses that are boarded up to avoid uninhabited damage. Even in the homes that are abandoned, but not boarded up, you can feel the desperation of The American Dream? You know you are broke when you can't afford to board up a foreclosed home…? I am certainly no college degreed economist, and most of what I've learned is through my international experiences, but it seems to me that when the number of Thrift Stores coming online outnumbers the number of new Starbucks and McDonald's,…the country may have a bit of a problem?
The truly frightening signals are those which smolder out of the burn-pit of our corrupt, unethical government leadership; unmanageable debt, increased police abuses, dead and assaulted members of the 'public', a citizenry grown weary of cow-towing to political, government and 'law enforcement' systems that are fraying badly at their ethical edges… and have little or no respect for our Constitutional protections and political limits.
If not for the deadly oil and chemical dispersant wafting over our southern coasts, the radioactive waste misting those of us along the West Coast and the purposeful flooding of the Midwest, perhaps the Citizens of the country may have the time to pay attention to our upcoming political circus, commonly referred to as elections. But really…how many Citizens really still believe in the American Elective process? How many still hold on to that myth of one-man-one-vote, especially when you can push the right button on the voting machine and stand there watching as the vote changes for an opponent? How many Americans still believe in the process?
Not many I'd bet.
How long are we as a people going to sit and be told what do, told what is right, and spoken down to as though mere children? How long can an entire population of a country sit and be lectured to, 'how we shouldn't worry our feeble-little heads'… with the 'complex workings of the government'?
How many more years of kidnapping and torture are we going to allow our government to perform?
Will my grandchildren someday read a book, just as we now gaze at the stories and photos of the Holocaust? Will my great-grandchildren someday look down upon a similar book, and wonder why Great-Grand-Dad didn't do a thing to stop the government from torturing and killing its Citizens… and others? How will we explain such behavior being accepted with no probable cause, no trial, no verdict…just turn them into dead people because 'The Government' says they should be? Are we that far gone, that we will just continue to accept this? Are we waiting for someone on a white horse and lone-ranger music in the background before we stand up and say, 'No more'?
I can understand, given the ethical manner in which government has been managed in my lifetime, I can understand why some would still be willing to accept or believe the proclamations of our morally supreme Leaders? After all, look how up front they have been with us over the years…JFK, RFK, MLK, Vietnam, Watergate, Iran-Contra, Mena-Arkansas, The Clinton Criminal Class, Panama, Iraq I & II, Afghanistan, The Foreclosure Swindle, 911…and so on, and so on and so on?
I can understand why 'we the people' would find no need to examine these illegal, immoral and unethical activities, or why such behavior keeps occurring in 'The Shining City on the Hill'? In fact, the light from D.C. is so corporately Bright… one wonders how it could continue to be so infested. Who knows…perhaps the Bankers will loan us enough money to hire exterminators?
Unfortunately, you can also see the growing desperation in the hard-scrabble part of America…the 'Appalachia Sliver' of the American conscience, where the words poverty and poor take on a whole new meaning. The sad part is, we are not alone in our ever-growing Appalachia Experience, and after a recent ten-day trip across half the country, we were witness to the ever-expanding condition known officially as a 'Recession',…or in certain parts of the country,…you'll even get to experience another 'Great Depression',…you know, something to help you bond with your indigent Grandmother, as you compare who had it 'worse'.
But as a retired, twenty-year veteran employee of The Federal Government, including over two-decades as a 'federally protected whistle-blower' (as humorous as that is), I know of the nature of our government leadership, and in my opinion, Webster's Dictionary is going to need a new definition of the word 'corrupt' by the time our country falls apart.
Or, until we realize that we still have the power and unified strength to wrestle the mechanics of government… back from these 'Continuity of Government' traitors.
... continued... .next post
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Posted by samson on 10/02/12 03:07 AM
The most precious commodity on Earth is freedom of choice. World wide it is a fast vanishing commodity, an endangered treasure. Without it life is a burden.
Woe, Woe, to the those under the age of fifty years. For the powers that be are near to choking off the last fresh air of FREEDOM. The ultimate earthly power is control of the masses. In the past, people had choices. If they were threatened, they could find a place of refuge. Very disturbing that most of the Jewish people in pre-WWII Germany didn't leave before annihilation.
Astonishing, considering their ancestors faced similar disaster wherever they settled. Why did they stay? They thought it would be different this time. They had invested all their resources, which were unmovable, and they were unable to leave their treasures behind.
The object lesson here is not to own unmovable treasure. Don't buy. Rent, lease, have a pre-arranged refuge somewhere else. If you have wealth, there are a few South American states you can buy protection. Don't desire to own expensive toys, or properties. Keep a low profile. Let no one know you have assets. Hide assets in the safest countries, several. Be non-descript. Belong to no groups or organizations. Do not register for any thing.
Be as incognito as possible. If they have your handle, they will come for you & your treasure. The conditions in Europe are evident. They will soon burst on the scene here in the USA. Don't count on this destruction being of just a few years.
Its to last your lifetime. i am in my upper 80's. WWII vet, saw first hand the ovens at DACHAU. This insidious encroachment on personal freedom & safety has been in evidence from the beginning. But has increased momentum during my lifetime, and is nigh to totality.
You are under surveillance 24/7. Govt ops, such as NSA,FBI,FEMA, HOMELAND SECURITY,DOJ, ect ect have dossiers on you. GPS, internet, cameras on poles & buildings, thousands of tiny drones, & satellites that can read the date on a dime from 25 miles high in the sky.
History informs us that all weaponry developed will be used. The WMD'S will wipe out millions. Nano tech has developed nano chips that can be administered with your annual flu shot. Don't panic. Prepare. Learn to live & enjoy simple pleasures. Don't fret or lose sleep on what you are unable to change.
Best to you & yours.
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Posted by Bischoff on 10/02/12 12:39 AM
@ mava
MAVA: "As commodity, hell yes. As money? Nope."
BISCHOFF: Gold's physical and chemical characteristics are the reason that gold is money. Silver's characteristics are similar to gold, but silver has a much better use as an industrial commodity than to function as the commodity standard to measure value, and to be a store of value, meaning to function as money.
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Posted by JosephPlummer on 10/02/12 12:08 AM
obsvr_1 wrote: "Someone should create a "Creature for Dummies" to be made available as an Internet Reformation primer... "
The for-dummies version exists. If you want a hard copy, it's available at Ed Griffin's site (Click to view link) under the title "Dishonest Money: Financing the Road to Ruin" or, if you want the free "internet" version, that's available too (Google: "Meet The System")
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Posted by mava on 10/01/12 11:34 PM
Junk silver may not be as good as gold, for obvious reasons, but I think it would be better than FRNs.
There is no great stock of silver, that is the problem why it is not money. Interestingly, this technological destruction of silver is frequently exposed as a very reason of why silver should be valuable. As commodity, hell yes. As money? Nope.
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Posted by Bischoff on 10/01/12 10:46 PM
@ agnosticanarchist
ANARCHIST: "For someone in my position, who is relatively young (25), and consequently doesn't yet have to deal with the issue of how to protect the value of savings I've accumulated for my retirement, I feel the safest thing I can do is to buy junk silver each month when I can afford it in order to have something that at least has some amount of value that can not be destroyed by inflation of paper money."
BISCHOFF: Protect the value of savings... ??? In what form do you keep these savings... ???
You acquire junk silver to store value, however the marginal utility of silver is much diminished to that of gold. Gold's marginal utility is constant or nearly constant. This means that gold is ideally suited to store value. Its aliquot parts set the standard of "price".
When the present worldwide system of floating irredeemable currencies finally falls apart, the only rational, logical and practical solution is to return to a "netting" currency using the gold standard. At that point, those who hold gold will have the opportunity to earn a return on it, either in the form of interest or in the form of discount, instead of having it locked up in vaults earning nothing as is the situation is now.
Silver on the other hand is an industrial commodity whose "price" is subject to market forces. To assume that silver is money, i.e. the standard to measure and to store value is dillusional.
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Posted by Bobby7 on 10/01/12 03:46 PM
The GREAT question?
If you were the person who owned & insured the 3 buildings that IMPLODED on 911 & whose contract for the Twin Towers stimulated that you would REBUILD on their footprint, in the event that they were destroyed, don't you think people would say you were either very LUCKY or you were part of the group that did 911?
What do you think?
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Posted by obsvr_1 on 10/01/12 03:46 PM
Thank you for the interview with E. Griffin ... His book, "The Creature ... " should be required reading for HS and above. Certainly, every financial and economic curriculum should include it ( I know I am dreaming to think the liberal academic elite would ever consider this).
Someone should create a "Creature for Dummies" to be made available as an Internet Reformation primer... .
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Posted by mava on 10/01/12 02:50 PM
Currently, there is no solution. Or, I could say, there is a solution, but we are not even considering it. I'll mention the solution later, but here is why there can not possibly be any solution within our current mode of thinking.
Today, we organize ourselves on the principle of violent submission. Therefore, anything that we can do with our system will be limited according to what is the advantage of a violent submission and the disadvantage of it.
For example, if you want to design some food, based strictly on the principle that whatever it is, it has to be fried, then that would be the limiting factor. You will face all of the advantages as well as disadvantages of fried foods. You will likely be able to explore food safety to the greatest extent, due to the opportunity to use thermal sterilization, but you will be severely limited in the area of nutrition quality as you will be forever bound to experience thermal extinction of live nutrients.
So, what are the advantages and the disadvantages of a system based on violent submission? It seems to me, that the most obvious is that such system is great if we want to achieve some particular goals, that are not the goals of you and I, necessarily. Such system is great for building progressively more powerful weapons of extinction. It is also great for achieving such goals as landing on the surface of the sun. It concentrates the efforts of many on achieving the goals of the few.
The disadvantages of such system are the polar opposites of it's advantages, so that this system is generally ill suited to deliver to each one of us the most of what we personally want and what we would call happiness.
Each one of us has an unique mix of hormones and therefore has a unique set of qualities and desires. If we all were exactly similar to each other, like clones, then this system would work great, as the desires of one would be universally congruent with the desires of anyone.
But, it is unrealistic and naive, to expect to be happy with this system, because it is designed to violently deny all that one may desire, unless he assumes the control of it, which is by design, only achievable thru violent submission of everyone else to one, and therefore, would deny the happiness to everyone else.
Am I sounding like a stupid "global consciousness" bug yet? ha-ha
Why do I say that this system is based on violent submission? Don't we have a choice? No. We don't. Vote is not the same as choice.
If I and you and him were stuck at the fork of the road in the forest, we can make our choices. I may go left, you may go right, and "him" can go either way, stay there, or go back. This is choice. This is what we all mean when we think of "free choice".
If we were to take a vote, however, then should "he" decide to go, say, left, as I have, then I and "him" will beat you into submission to go with us. You would have to. We would kill you if you insist on anything else, but our desires. This is Voting, it has nothing to do with choice.
Are you paying attention?
So, as long as we continue on using a system where the minority has to accept the choice of the majority, then we continue to give consent to organize ourselves on the principle of violent submission. When this is the case, it doesn't matter who we vote for. Whoever that would be, that candidate is not interested in what exactly we "want" to do. We will do what he wants to do, period, as we had already given our consent to be forced by participating in voting. (When you vote, you agree that you will be bound by the rule of elected candidate.)
This is why it is absolutely irrelevant to the powers that be, who you vote for. The only crucial importance is that you do vote (sign up to be ruled).
All of the allusions about voting fraud therefore are only the misdirection. They are continually created, in order for you to concentrate who you want to rule you, and not whether you want to be ruled. The powers that be are absolutely indifferent to who you vote for, and also who wins. They have ZERO reasons to defraud the voting process, other that to make it "more interesting" for you.
So, what is the solution?
I am going to go on a limb here, and speak against my all time favorite, G.E. Griffin. I have enormous respect for him, but I believe he had been deceived on this matter. He had indicated in his answer, that he still believes that we need to have better candidates, who we can vote for. He thus discounts the fact that whichever the way those candidates turn, they can not satisfy all, because we all are different, and that therefore, well before long, they will learn to satisfy themselves first.
I think, we need to insist on opt-out principle, i.e. voluntary submission.
Meaning, that if you vote for Romney and he wins, then Romney will dictate your tax brackets and those voting for Obama and lost. Romney will also be responsible for the welfare of those voting for and against him. In the meantime, those who did not vote, will have an opt-out right, so that Romney can not tax them (I use Taxation to represent everything else) at all.
This system would be based on choice, not vote. The disadvantage of such system would be that Romney would have very limited budget. He won't be able, for instance, to spend a fortune to land on the Sun, to amaze the Martians. He won't be able to educate, groom and hire millions of scientists to invent new and ever more powerful weapons of mass destruction.
Because more people would prefer to opt-out, most scientist then would work on the projects that are paid by the opted out people, none of which would have the funds or the desire to invest in the super bomb. Flying cars and home cleaning robots, I think, will take scientific priority. And so on...
I know what you thinking.
If you are going to be able to become a tax-cheat legally, then how are we going to steal from you then? Right. May-be, the system that is based on free choice is not your thing after all.
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Posted by clark on 10/01/12 11:13 AM
G.E.G.: "So what is the solution then? Well, you've got to make sure in the next election, or the one after that, that we do have some options. Now, that's a long-range process. People have to get up off their couches and out where the masses are. They have to do some education, they have to do some activism, they have to run for office and they have to replace those collectivists that are in positions of power so that the next time the election rolls around you will have some options... "
I thought the Ron Paul experience showed this was not the way to go, the running for office part.
Far better to Opt Out.
Click to view link
G.E.G.: "We've started a process now that within a generation or two has to mature and cannot be stopped. Freedom is assured."
A generation... or two?
Psft,... I'm not understanding the optimistic view of that.
I.e. after I leave the room the fun begins?
Anyway, I look forward to the D.B.'s 'viable "life solutions,' article.
I'm not sure what to think of statements like this one:
"All borrowers should lock in current rates for as long as possible. With regard to mortgages, if you can get an assumable loan, you will look like a financial genius in less than five years. " ...
Click to view link
... Assuming one has - and can keep - an income flow,... and prices don't rise enough to make paying the note impossible.
I don't know, getting a mortgage now seems like the same kind of trap getting a NegAm loan and such was in 2003, is that free cheese in the mouse trap?
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Posted by agnosticanarchist on 10/01/12 03:12 AM
In most of the articles and interviews one sees on the internet in which the state of the economy in the present and near term future(2 to 5 years) is discussed, one is repeatedly left with the same impression; that is, despite any differences among authors and speakers relating to the amount of time it is believed the events surrounding the forseen economic crash and recovery will take to unfold, it is a foregone conclusion that things must get worse before they get better.
This is useless tautology unless one endeavors to discover precisely how much worse. For someone in my position, who is relatively young (25), and consequently doesn't yet have to deal with the issue of how to protect the value of savings I've accumulated for my retirement, I feel the safest thing I can do is to buy junk silver each month when I can afford it in order to have something that at least has some amount of value that can not be destroyed by inflation of paper money.
Aside from that, I hope that I can, in the event of a worse case scenario such as outright mob riots by the 47 percent, be living within a community of people who I can trust as friends to stick together as mutual benefactors and protectors against angry and violent hoodlums. One cannot live life sincerely expecting the worst of cases to play out, not least because that sort of constant paranoia is not amenable to a happy lifestyle. What is best is to be prepared to act to secure one's personal belongings as quickly and discreetly as possible.
Life is too short as it is; it makes no sense to purposely increase the chances it will be event shorter by neglecting to do what it takes to protect yourself and your family. The silver lining for me in the black cloud of foreboding economic doom is that perhaps by the time I feel I am ready to bring children into the world, the destruction will have run its course and we can be back on a path to a real recovery of our living standards. Things could go in any direction depending on how adamant the government is in maintaining its own standard of living. Suffice it to say they will not take this bitter pill without a fight. I am just hoping that I do not get caught in the crossfire, so to speak.
Thanks for providing us with a forum to vent in the company of like minded individuals, Daily Bell. The opportunity to engage in this sort of catharsis is appreciated.
Reply from The Daily Bell
Thanks for posting ...
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Posted by Bischoff on 10/01/12 01:10 AM
@ Danny B
DANNY: "While a constitutional convention might sound like a good idea, there are those who believe that it would get hijacked. If you search on
... "constitutional convention" + danger... you get 8,410,000 results.
BISCHOFF: Yes, and everyone of those 8,410,000 results is pure bunk. The same fallacious crap repeated and repeated again and again to total 8 million + google results.
A short constitutional lesson, if you allow.
Article V of the Constitution provides that an amendment has to be first proposed, before it can be ratified. The proposal can come from 2/3 of each House of the Congress to be sent for acceptance and ratification by 3/4 of the state legislatures, or 2/3 of the states can apply to the Congress to call a convention of state delegates for the specific purpose of proposing and ratifying an amendment(s)by 3/4 of the states' delegates.
So far in U.S. history, every amendment to the Constitution was first proposed by the Congress, before it was sent for acceptance and ratification to the states.
The 8 million + results on the internet all consider an Article V convention to be an open constitutional convention on par with the first constitutional convention which convened on May 25th, 1787 in Philadelphia.
The arguments in these responses claim that during an Article V convention all provisions within the original Constitution are open to revision and deletion. Therefore, such convention would be exposed to be hi-jacked by certain interests which would want to do away with or drastically alter the 1787 Constitution.
Nothing could be further from the truth. The reason such bunk is repeated 8 million + times on the internet is to discourage people from learning the truth about an Article V convention.
Where have we found this misleading type of propaganda before... ???
With the Federal Reserve, of course. The bunk about the current Fed being the same as the original 1913 Fed is to confuse people about the function of the current Fed. Yet, people go on to repeat bogus stuff, evenso the official website of the Fed clearly states how fallacious this bunk is. People just love to wallow in bunk, it seems... .
... and so it is with the Article V convention. People love to repeat the crap about hi-jacking the convention when all they had to do to find the truth by reading Article V of the U.S. Constitution.
ONLY, if 2/3 of the states applied to the Congress to call for a convention of state delegates, and the Congress refused to do so, would there be a constitutional crisis. The refusal by the Congress to call an Article V convention would amount to the federal government, which was created by the separate, sovereign states in the first place, now telling the states to take their application and shove it.
This would leave the states in a crisis which they could only resolve by convening a second constitutional convention.
Of course, the smallest change in one of the provision, or even the change of one word in the original constitution during such convention when finally ratified, would render the new document to be the 2nd Constitution of the United States.
In contrast, an application for an Article V convention includes the Congress in the process amandment process. If the Congress cannot propose the constitutional amendments which the states want, then the founding fathers prescribed a way in Article V for the states to ask the Congress to call a convention of state delegates for the purpose of proposing and ratifying a specific amendment(s). A hi-jacking of the original Constitution at an Article V convention would be impossible. Such convention can only propose and ratify amendments. An Article V convention cannot change the original Constitution.
That's all for the small lesson on the Article V convention.
So forget the 8 million + internet responses. They are designed to discourage people from supporting their state legislatures to ever apply to the Congress for an Article V convention. Though, there have been attempts made. They have all been quietly ignored by the Congress. The Congress in order to preserve its power to propose amandments does count on the power of the misinformation about an Article V convention spread with help of the internet.
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Posted by Agent Weebley on 10/01/12 12:29 AM
Hi Ingo,
You said:
"BTW, Social Security is not a handout. It is a consequential obligation of the federal government stemming from the confiscation of the gold savings of American citizens in 1933, and from preventing subsequent generations from saving for their own retirement by prohibiting them from holding gold."
OMFNG, you really said that, didn't you . . . how, in Natural Law's name did you make that (italicized) connection?
I think we need to talk.
How about here in IE: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056709527
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