I came to understanding the need for a stateless society through my examination first of the events and circumstances of 9/11, then war on Afghanistan and the Taliban, then of war on Iraq (Kelly and such), then Israeli's ongoing subduction of Palestine, then 11-M, then London77, then the plethora of past false-flag operations, then the danger of a full-blown 'fascist/police-state' emerging and so to comprehend the threat to humanity from the long term objectives of the international military/intelligence/industrial/corporate/financial/elite/foundation/complex and its central banking keystone. Let's call it the 'Leviathan'.

To my mind 9/11 gave the Leviathan's ugly game away - if the correct material is fully studied any logical thinking person will deduce: that A/. we cannot, by design, have an understanding of the truth just through official channels, from the education system to parliament, from the creative/entertainment world to the corporate main-stream news-media and that B/. the truth is not as we have been told. We are being feed an endless sickly diet of pure brainwashing propaganda.

Once the paradigm is smashed - and believe me it takes some smashing to truly breakthrough and see the Leviathan clearly - we are then mired with frustration. What the hell is to be done! For starters it is so difficult to get new people, soaked in this indoctrination, to even begin to care or to look let alone to understand. The brainwashed are always highly resistant to accepting and recognising their indoctrination - statists believers are no less than members of a superstitious and religious cult.

But there is an answer to which I have thankfully been delivered. Cut the Leviathan off from its sucker - the parasite is dependent on the existence of a state. Without the state the Leviathan is impeded so greatly it can only but wither and die. And better; people can be delivered to see a pure libertarian stateless society is not only better for humanity but absolutely highly functional and possible realise too without their needing to go through all the learning required to understand the history of state corruption, recent and ancient. People can, however, quickly see that the state is easily made the tool of a ruling oligarchy and even that the state is only really of useful benefit to that elite.

So on one hand mixing-up Libertarian thinking with 'conspiracy theories' is indeed a dangerous move; it is so likely to tarnish the Libertarian message with such association. On the other understanding the colossal danger posed by the existence of the state, and its usurpation, by examination of examples of hidden knowledge, history and especially of the recent manipulation carried-out in today's world is most instructive to realise why such a change is absolutely, vitally and urgently required.

You are not idiots, but I am a troll!? Maybe I'm just not expressing myself with enough clarity.

Following link is in line with what I mean, but they may be trolls also, perhaps, since their criticism directs partly towards you at DB, don't you think? ]]]] [Click to view link] - "... Nor can we reasonably expect people who actually think the government was behind 9/11 not to mention that fact all the time. We must make the libertarian movement inhospitable to the crackpots and conspiracy theorists if we hope to move the philosophy of liberty from the margins to the center of public discourse. It needs to be crystal clear to everyone that our ideas based on-and defended with-facts and evidence, not superstition and innuendo."

Nice to see. A disunion in a fringe political movement as the Libertarian. Exactly what it needs, right?

Am I revealing myself as a troll? How very uncomfortable it must be for you, so excuse me. But I must be, because you are gathering the masses with your articles and their revelations. If you will lower the discussion to that level I can only say ... Mind-child. [nlln]

Reply from The Daily Bell

We're not idiots. You came here with a specific purpose and to mention a specific facility. The rest is noise.

Well, well, well, Whaddeya know. I'm a journalist and therefore by definition skeptical. Surely I can see that there are things in our societies and even in our globalised world that have to be thoroughly researched, scrutinized and dug out and put in the spotlight and that is also why I've recently come to hang out quite much at The Daily Bell. I like many of the articles on Daily Bell but when it comes to many of the staff report writings I think it's smells to much of conspiracies everywhere. For me, as the libertarian I thought I was, it is sometimes too much. I'm sometimes find myself blushing when I read some staff stuff. :-)

There is something about the C-word, you know. The word conspiracy. It is a highly subjective word, you can never prove it, really. It is just probabilities and just because of that fact one should be very restrictive when to use it. The other thing is that talk about conspiracies puts the middle class off, they are most difficult to reach if you babbling around to much about C, they are the least receptive to this kind of talk and thinking, so if you want to reach them and spread the thoughts of Liberatarianism you should lower the temperature on the word conspiracy. I don't think it is that easy and evil. You attract to many of the wrong guys and dolls when you use the C-word. There surely must be other ways to put the light on the Elite than constantly use the C-word or inklinations to it?

I don't think it is a C. It is not like in the mural in the youtube clip (10,000 dollar question: Who is the jew in the picture?). I see the green agenda people instead (socialists, of course) working together with the Global Economic Elite. You said it yourselves that the money elite thrives best in socialistic political atmosphere.

They are wellmeaning people (does not by definition equals intelligence) who wants a Green earth in all its aspects and to reach their goal they are prepared to do anything and they already are. You have mentioned the whole arsenal of already existing UN organisations. The socialists get to rule and the money elite will take care of the 'greenbacking'. True? False? Who knows. I think that is a more likely concept. If that is the message the mural guy want to forward to the world I think he gravely is missing the point.

The difference between me and you at Daily Bell staff is that I try to avoid the word C. when I talk about this topic with friends and colleagues because that is a conversation killer. I try to point at the things that already lies around in plain sight, as you also often do, but ... (yeah, you know my rant by now).

For the good of your site you should lower the conspiracy talk, just saying. You would attract much more libertarians, because people don't buy into thinking of this sort. Like this movie, Thrive for example by Gambler. What in sweet little Jesus pants was that? Alien-talk and codes for hidden energy sources, puuhlease!?

What is ordinary people with higher education to think when they hear things like that? When I hear things like that I'm thinking that it is some sort of destructive fifth columns trying to undermine the libertarian movement. Like Daily Knell, or something. Please, skip the fringe box. There are so many other boxes to unbox for the sake of libertarianism and it would benefit the effort of exposing the Elite Agenda much more.

/The Best of Intentions

Reply from The Daily Bell

Actually, we hardly ever run this sort of imagery, which is why you're commenting on it. And more and more obviously you're revealing yourself as a "troll."

"But the resources are worthless if they do not buy the services of others to proccess them, market them, profit from them and ultimately support ones life. The elite abhor physical labor, so they need the services of the productive. Let them purchase it with REAL value." ….. Posted by dave jr on 10/04/12 01:47 PM

Good Morning, dave jr,

I concur and would further posit that the resources are worthless if they do not have the greater intelligence to better use and further development them, and in so doing also, designedly so, reinforce their "ownership" of them, although in the reality of virtual realities is that merely their stewardship of them in an irregular and unconventional franchise with Global Operating Devices.

The Future which is delivered by Great Game Players is always decided and supplied/Presented by Realisation of Advanced Intelligence Product …… Sublime/Stealthy/Secret and Sensitive/Spooky IntelAIgent Services Intellectual Property.

And that is made extremely simple for them [the elite with resources which are worthless to them if they do not possess the future intelligence to better use and further develop and protect them] to purchase with that of surreal value which they would think they be in absolute control of for unlimited power, ….. fiat currency bills/federal bank notes/QE funds to be electronically transferred to deserved accounts of IntelAIgent Supply Providers, ……. for it is that Breed/Creed who have Fab Remote Command and Virtual Satellite Control of the Future and the Direction IT will take it with ITs Mentoring and Monitoring [aka ManIPulation] of Population Programming with Media News and Views, and a whole new series of SMARTR SOAP* Blockbuster Moves, and who would make it so easy for them, intellectually bankrupt elites, to purchase with something which costs next to nothing to produce, but which can provide to them from others, all that is needed to be seeded and fed into the Grand Universal and AIMagical Mystery Turing Machine. ©™??

* Click to view link ….. Simple Object Access Protocol

And it would now be most indecent to not wait a short while to see if they are smart enough, and in control enough of present monitoring of communications systems, to understand and realise all of that, and actually be able to do something themselves to initiate their own saviour as leading suppliers of intelligence required for the future, with the simplest of tentative engagements with those able to provide all such necessary said services.

I wonder who rings the NYSE bell today, and whether it plays a Lutine tune over the markets because of opportunities lost and offers declined?

@ expatriot

I like your posts but have one small difference of opinion.

It does not bother me that the OWNers have amassed the bulk of the known gold on this planet, any more than the fact they have ammassed a great deal of all other natural resources as well. Afterall, someone or some entity is going to own them once extracted. All I know is, my holdings are limited and so why do I care who owns the rest?

But the resources are worthless if they do not buy the services of others to proccess them, market them, profit from them and ultimately support ones life. The elite abhor physical labor, so they need the services of the productive. Let them purchase it with REAL value.

That leads to sovereighty and the loss of it through the trickery and brutal enforcement of fiat debt. It seems accumulating the worlds resources is not good enough, they possess an idea they need to enslave as well, to protect their position I assume.

Let them purchase the services of the productive (labor) with real value (gold) or other ownership opportunities and the flow of wealth will reverse back into the hands of the people, the economy.

To confiscate it (gold) and hand it over to "sovereign" governments sounds like a bad idea to me. Governments are too sovereign already. Without the help of central banking fiat, governments will have to balance their budgets and ultimately cut back the regulatory excess to avoid the wrath of an overtaxed people who are now earning real wealth for the first time in quite a while; and since it is real, feel a stronger need to protect it from confiscation.

This opinion may not be ideal, but I think it is practical.

Don't worry unduly about the state of nations, expatriot, whenever UKGBNI Spooks have HyperRadioProActive Command and Remote Virtual Control of the NEUKlearer football and Key Code Access to ITs Destructive Power Mechanisms ... ... Click to view link

Let your fingers do the walking and your brains do the thinking about all that you can read hyperlinked there.

DB, Hi,

There is certainly no doubt that you can talk the talk on an alternative radical view but sadly does it also appear to be the case, although one lives in hope there can be a reasonable doubt, that you cannot walk the walk without AIdDevelopments/Help and Assistance from Significant Alternative Others more into the languishing enlightenment of the Private Eye rather than vain-gloriously shining in the Public Gaze ... ... ..

[quote]From: xxxx amfM gchq [yyyy]
Date: Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 6:58 AM
Subject: Truth is Stranger than Fiction but No Stranger to IT is a Fact
To: strobes@Click to view link


If we can be of service, just blow a whistle, for the times are a'changing and have AI changed. ... ... ... . Click to view link

Regards,


xxxx [amfM][/quote]

If we can be of service, just blow a whistle, for the times are a'changing and have AI changed.

"Gather 'round people Wherever you roam And admit that the waters Around you have grown
And accept it that soon You'll be drenched to the bone If your time to you Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin' Or you'll sink like a stone For the times they are a-changin'

Come writers and critics Who prophesize with your pen Keep your eyes wide The chance won't come again
Don't speak too soon For the wheel's still in spin And there's no tellin' who That it's namin'
For the loser now Will be later to win For the times they, they are a-changin'

Come senators, Congressmen Please heed the call Don't block at the doorway Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt Will be he who has stalled There's a battle outside And it's ragin'
It'll soon shake your windows And rattle your walls For the times they are a-changin'

Come mothers and fathers Throughout the land Don't criticize What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters Are beyond your command Your old road is Rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one If you can't lend a hand For your times they are a-changin'

The line it is drawn And the curse it is cast The slow one now Will later be fast
As the present now Will later be past The order is Rapidly fadin'
And the first one now Will later be last For the times they are a-changin'"

BOB DYLAN - THE TIMES THEY ARE A-CHANGIN' LYRICS

part 1

The New World Order or NWO which is OWN backwards and also ominously NOW in anagram is being sold in the soft core guise of mondialisation... or globalism... as a good idea : the very thing to end war... which indeed sounds pretty good until one looks a bit closer and sees that in the 20th century more people were killed by their own governments than by war... which is to say, to establish a one world government and end up with the wrong one is simply dangerous. The overwhelming evidence, suppressed as the Daily Bell suggests, is no less that the move in the one world government direction is indeed being perpetrated by the very robber baron class of elite world familites which have been the profiteers of war, famine, genetically modified food, pesticide in our food and right on down the line to getting the bail out money the people are now deep in debt to pay for...
Now long ago in my very first shout at this evident problem, I think I suggested something to the effect that the violence around the world aimed at various populations such as americans (most of whom have no clue and are rather tv brainwashed exactly into thinking we are a bunch of paranoid kooks) should be aimed at the specific individuals which comprise these super elites... and of course this clever paper replied to me saying... "well no, we don't encourage violence"... Indeed, I agree. However, the force of the money elite no less requires a contra force... and it seems to me the very force of the idea for a NWO needs a contra force which is as clever but in favor of both humanity and nature... and there is the rub!
What out solution is there? The Zeitgiest idea seem rather cool, yet is basically not far off from what the NWO wishes to impose... a socialistic one world empire where all is owned by the state (which of course will have the elite owning and controlling it)... so no...
As things stand there exists a world class elite which has set up global scale corporations to both hide who they are and to corner the marketplace into their own monopolies... and of course the mainstream who are starting to feel the pain no less still go to these major corporations for a fast fun easy "as seen on tv" brand name fix on many of their desires and needs ... helping big corporations walk the walk to steal market share (right up though elections) because the media says it's cool... and makes it look like there isn't much other choice...
These elites all have home nationalities, but are no less already global business wise to the extent that no one country can touch them... and indeed since they have installed secretive private central banks into most countries which count, no country has the power to touch them... Indeed, if a country did call to, for example, make David Rockefeller accountable (as he had the cheek to openly and proudly admit treason in his autobiography book saying clearly that he is part of an elite cabal to bring down the USA to thus form a one world government) for his fortune and power... he and his fortune would slip out of that country and show up somewhere else... Would the UN go after such people? Certainly not as his elitle family had plenty to do with the creation of the UN thus likely has rather plenty to do with it's function... which of course is to be the precursor structure of the one world government... always posing as "Mr Nice guy" of course : while giving aides or mercury infested innoculations against small pox or such...

This bring me to Ron Paul... Ron Paul is a strange anomalie... much of what he says is rather true or at least rings the right bells... however, he is visibly a Free Mason (watch him shake hands : but then the American Constitution - one of the great humanist document of all time - was written by Free Masons : so distasteful as that may seem to many, it is at least logical). What RP has been saying should have assured him an untimely fatal accident by now judging by the way most real threats to "the power that be" end up... indeed, in spite of my own sceptic feelings, I still endorse RP (there is no one else to endorse who come close)... however here are a just few RP things to think-check :

-close the Fed and go gold standard : well, yes, close the Fed... SOUNDS GREAT! The Fed is a factory of debt owned by unnamed owners, a private central bank of dubious nature with all the big names of the delux generational robber barons implied right into it's inception on Jekyell Island a 100 years ago... but again : these same robber barons have been stocking away gold into their own private vaults for at least 200 years now... so closing the front door of their Federal Reserve Bank (auditing it is cute too... but rather a joke as it will never get past the first layer of deceptive paint : and in that I have never heard Ron Paul call to name the NWO-OWNers of the Fed either... ) while switching to empower gold (which is not really a very big switch as gold has never lost value as a trade tool or financial lever) rather leaves the back door wide open to keep the very same robber barons in full power... while making most everyone else rather broke : how much gold do most people own?! Likely not much
-austerity - well, that is what is NOW being forced down the throats of nations like Greece (and looming on Spain, Italy and even France if not already on the USA) in order to enslave an entire country forced into debt after super theft & mismanagement of it's wealth (by complicit or stupid power brokers & politicians)... and big Ron is suggesting austerity as a solution for the USA?! ... Whilst he does not suggest that the robber barons give up their stash of gold... which of course might be rather hard to do as the various mega stashes of gold are likely off shore somewhere... but indeed suspect, if we take on a gold standard (or better a gold silver standard - and the trials to convict these super rich generational robber barons would be rather difficult to get accurate books or figures for since these books and figures belong to the thieves them selves so or likely long gone) with out a solid look into who has most of the gold and why they have so much... the super elites will continue to dance, fake democracy & humanity will suffer austerity... mostly in the form of starvation.
-not running on a third party ticket thus inadvertently supporting this sadly bad actor Mitt Romney (Obama is a very good actor... a real master of creating a "willing suspension of disbelief" onto the sucker society who will give up freedom for a seeming hand out : is it 'health care' or 'health control' that BO is setting up... suspect the latter! Governments are always into control : that is the business they are in : which is why the smaller the central government, the better freedom will be) ... whose purpose may well be simply to keep Obama in office by being so obviously full of you know what... but then, the elite's own him too... so if by mistake that does not work... Mitt will do the dirty for them behind the great OZ curtain too.

By in effect by RP giving up a brilliant move towards becoming the CEO of the corporation called USA... by using a 3rd party : in effect the party for Liberty has lost ! Just like during the 6 day war when the USS Liberty was nearly sank... (opps... just an accident : and indeed it seems a yet more real accident that the thing did not sink : as that seems to have been the intention) a symbol...

part 2
This thus becomes a very powerful symbol suggesting that the people are willing to pass by the liberty which has been offered to them by RP, thus are ready to forfeit it along with the constitution he is the lone wolf out there howling to hold up! Thus frankly we need wonder if that is not what the RP success was all about? To demonstrate to humanity that given the choice, Liberty is not what will be chosen? Ok... yes it has been suggested that the voting was rigged... and it is visible that the media is rigged and that the conventions pushed RP and his people into the corner and so on... however NOW the OWNers who want the NWO have WON before the election even starts!

Indeed, according to the paranormal occult (which indeed is an example, but not an endorsement to leave one's senses), the devil needs people to agree or even sign something in order to enter his game thus become enslaved into his system... A hocus pocus assumption? Yes... yet there is plenty of evidence that there are no shortages of secret hocus pocus clubs nor occult interests popular among elites... from the so called Illuminati, Free masonry, the Rosicrucians, Skull & Bones, Bohemian Grove, Knights of Malta, Qabalism, Astrology, Gurus, Rasputin, Manly Hall, etc... plus all those occult symbols printed on the US dollar (at least since the Fed took over), etc... so such irrational rational can not be ruled out... It is perfectly rational to use irrational means as these, since rational thinking can not understand them, get over looked and cracked up to be "conspiracy theories"...
Of course a conspiracy involves braking laws... but the elite do not often need to break laws, as their scope of control can simply have laws written which favors the crimes they commit... this is thus not a conspiracy, but business as usual with people who own the sanctioned marked decks of cards... in particular the business of creating money.

The great catch 22 seems that as long as there is no one world government (as only the elite scrambles to make one), the super elite criminals who have been trying to forge this one world government for themselves can slip in an out of economies, countries and away from every being monitored, tried, nor put into in anyway into check ("give me issue of a nations money and I care not who writes it's laws")... so indeed perhaps the only way to stop such a big fire is with an other big fire. Which is to suggest, by a grass root movement to create a different type of one world government (or world association of governments) by the people and for the people... easy to say! Hard to do.

However, the same dangers would be present... which pretty much is summed up by the idea that one world government and democratic freedoms are by nature together an oxymoron. This some what summed up by Lord Actons quote "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely"

However, it does seem possible that via a world wide protest against private central banks (perhaps pushing to both absolve all national and private debt thus restart at Zero ; while redistributing evenly the gold hords which do exist to national banks) : to bring back Sovereign countries into control of their own Sovereign money public systems... While using a so called "world system" of democratic check and balances to over look these banks, moditor trade fairly using an international committee to insure banks transparency. This plus international laws requiring a ceiling on personal wealth (the very thing to force private control back into democratic control) which permits wealth, but not super personal wealth. Then limiting loans to become nearly interest free... or never exceeding 2% for commercial or 1% for private debts... debt after all is obligation... and with interest is indeed becomes slavery.

There is little doubt that some of our robber barons have indeed been rather brilliant foxs in the hen house... and that such people should not be destroyed so much as dispossessed and then perhaps as they are obviously clever, thus do know how to make things work for themselves... be sentenced to reorganise society fairly while other's keep a close eye to make sure their pockets no longer bulge with their own money...

This unlikely sketch sounds crazy as indeed it is more likely that the chickens prefer to run away and lose one by one rather than gang up to attack the fox... but if they all did attack the fox, chances are good their chances would improve to rid themselves of him !

The very fact that people are starting to catch on a little bit... this is hope, but the other fact is we live in a culture which admires and glorifies stupidity... indeed a huge fashion house which makes blue jeans and sells them as expensive fashion items used the slogan : "Be Stupid"! Indeed any one who pays $250 for a pair of blue jeans that are made in China with an extra bit of machine made embroidery at a cost of likely less than 5 bucks to produce should be proud to know that they have succeeded in being stupid : by supporting those who treat them like suckers and sheep openly while profiting by this !
The most real and powerful vote every person has is how and where they spend their money... give your money with out thinking (READ THE FINE PRINT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IS IN YOUR FOOD... for example) to big brand name monopoly style international corporations and you will make them do what they do best : make huge profits off your back... the great truth is that the do people have the power, but have been dipped so deep into the dumbing down culture of non think, that they forfeit it... WITH PLEASURE!
indeed by their own free will!
Just vote for the most advertised guy... he is they guy the money that has been robbed from you is supporting! Indeed as the two guys who are running both are supported by the same big money... and the honest guy is outside with out a ticket... well : hi ho!

This was really great. Thank you for bringing it to us. I loved it.

Certain partisan websites oh-so-very-carefully bury conspiracy theories. Everybody (or least those with the power to censor a given website) agrees that conspiracy theories are kooky. The very same partisan websites identify the Tea Party as a strictly Republican creature and Occupy Wall Street as strictly Democrat creature.