Actually, no one thinks corporations are persons but some do believe they are groups of persons. No one thinks orchestras, or football teams or universities are persons but many do think they are variously configured people. If this is so, then they, as groups of persons, have rights, including the right to private property and freedom of speech.
When people come together for some common purpose, they do not lose their basic human rights. So all the hollering about how the recent Supreme Court ruling about whether corporations have the right to engage in political advocacy, based on the allegation that corporations aren't persons, is off base.
Even those who oppose the ruling implicitly acknowledge the above. Thus Justice Stevens, the major dissenter on the Court, wrote, that "[T]he distinctive potential of corporations to corrupt the electoral process [has] long been recognized." But only persons can corrupt something! Theodore Roosevelt advocated prohibiting "all contributions by corporations to any political committee or for any political purpose." And this, too, implies that corporations are made up of people, people who have rights! There is no other way corporations can make contributions -- buildings, trees, land, the sea, none of these can make contributions, only people can. Ergo, corporations are people!
In any case, I have no idea what else corporations would be. Yes, they have some kind of legal identity but that is completely derivative of their being made up of people. Usually, it is a bunch of people who get together and incorporate -- now that monarchs no longer create such associations -- which is to say they form a specific type of organization, usually involving pooling some resources and hiring specialists to administer these resources either for profitable or non-profitable purposes. But whichever it is, it is persons who are doing this and nothing else. You may not like those types of persons but in a democracy they have the right to obtain and wield political power.
Now it is true that when people unite with one another, they tend to gain in influence, even power, if power is at issue. Sadly, given how much politics is not a matter of upholding principles, as the American Founders envisioned it, but of confiscating funds and then distributing them -- that whole redistribution thing that candidate Obama had out with Joe "the Plumber" -- having united powers can go a long way to gaining political clout. But this has nothing to do with corporations as such, which are perfectly benign outfits unless they commit crimes, just as this is so with individual citizens.
So then what is up with all the corporate bashing? Mostly that if you aren't a part of the corporation but a lot of others are, it is they and not you who will wield more political power. And if one believes in democratic politics, why complain about this? If a huge company, owned by thousands of stockholders and other investors, exerts power, such is democracy. You cannot cherry pick which group of citizens should get democratic power and which should be ignored.
The remedy for out of control corporate political influence and power is to limit democracy to very few tasks in the country, such as the selection of public officials. They will then represent those who elected them but not by doing them special favors but by helping in extending the principles of the country to new and uncharted areas of the law.
I am no corporate attorney, nor a constitutional scholar but our legal system must make sense to all citizens, not just to experts. And as a plain, ordinary citizen it seems to me that all the derision extended toward corporations amounts to rank prejudice, bias, as a generalized dislike of movie actors or farmers would be. This is nothing to be proud of, that's for sure, even if it is widely accepted and practiced. So was racial prejudice once. Not that those who have shares or manage corporations are all fine people, not by a long shot, but neither are all doctors, teachers, engineers or bureaucrats upstanding citizens. At any given time the bulk of the members of a professional could be engaged in malpractice or be decent in how they conduct themselves.
But there is no reason to suspect those who own or run corporations of any greater predilection toward malpractice than anyone else. Sometimes, of course, they operate in a system that encourages corruption, which the welfare state clearly does, what with all the selling and buying of political favors it involves. And big firms will probably be able to get more from politicians than little ones. That, however, is the problem of the system, not of any given profession.
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Posted by Rhea Crosley on 2/6/2010 1:13:00 AM
It is true that corporations are made of people. However, it is also true that the corporation tends to do exactly what a few people at the top want it to do. Therefore, it has an misreprentation of the average amoung the populist. A corporation in a city could decide the swing of a vote with its money and influence. Perhaps ten at the top of the coorperation will be the only votes in town that count at that point.
Posted by Doug Hand on 2/6/2010 10:29:12 AM
This whole situation strikes me as a typical Hegelian dialectic. Currently corporations and unions (NEA, SEIU, CSEA, AFL-CIO, etc., etc.) are the largest "contributors" to political campaigns through PACs and individuals. Try going to
Select a candidate and go to their Contributors page. The unions also provide foot-soldiers for their favored campaigns.The true issue is that the proposed 2011 federal budget is $3,830,000,000,000.
With all of that manure piled up in one spot, it is sure to attract many flies. As the article suggests, reduce the number of things that government influences and it will matter less who wants to buy influence.
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Thanks for the link.
You write, "The true issue is that the proposed 2011 federal budget is $3,830,000,000,000."
A mind boggling sum for a "limited republic" to disburse.
Posted by Skrag on 2/6/2010 1:00:55 PM
The most important fact about a private corporation, is that it is private, and like the author pointed out, "There is no other way corporations can make contributions -- buildings, trees, land, the sea, none of these can make contributions, only people can." Therefore, if people disagree with the practices of that corporation, they can remove their funds and reduce it's political power.
Prohibition of anything always leads to more corruption and the exact opposite of what it is supposedly intended to prevent. The free-market will always win and driving things underground(black market) will only lead to corruption through a lack of transparency and will tend to attract dishonest people to provide those now 'illegal' services.
Posted by Em Jay Oh on 2/8/2010 10:22:59 PM
A corporation is a legal entity, and like a person, should be allowed one vote, and the same political influence as an individual.
Posted by Bruce on 2/10/2010 9:19:32 PM
Corporations are persons under the law. People are not, though they may operate through persons.
A person is a fiction of law created by a party through application for a privilege in conjunction with the political state. It is a fiction of law designed to be an interface between the living breathing man or woman and the fiction of law known as the State.
People are immune to taxation. Persons are taxed. A person is the device necessary to extract energy from a man or woman. That energy is extracted in the form of labor which is exchanged for fiat money. Corporations are extensions of the political state. Even the United States is a person. In what political state was it incorporated, and under what under-riding law?
This article adds to the confusion rather than clarify anything.If a corporation has the "right" to support candidates, then the state in effect chooses its own leaders. This is no different than the NAZI party or the Politburo of Soviet Russia.
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Interesting points ...
Posted by Jeremy Weiland on 2/15/2010 3:19:47 PM
Mr. Machan is missing the point. Corporations are not just groups of people coming together for a common purpose. They get their entity status and special privileges (limited liability, anyone?) from a government issued charter of incorporation. This legal identity is not merely the result of being composed of people, but rather of being granted special status by the state.
The proper way of looking at corporate prerogatives is to use the same standard one would use when looking at any government agency. After all, the CIA, FBI, DEA, IRS, etc are all composed of people. But I somehow doubt Mr. Machan would say that they can do any and all the things that their constituent members / agents can do as individual citizens.
The reason, of course, is that the agency is not merely a union of individuals, but that it also has a special status. Since government confers a similar status on the corporate form, I'd argue you should apply the same standards.In conclusion, if businessmen and businesswomen want to engage in free market activities, they should eschew any special grants of privilege or status from the government. Corporations are not free market constructs. They are privileged conglomerations of assets and contracts that can adopt or shed the features of an individual citizen at will.
Posted by Jeremy Weiland on 2/15/2010 3:23:04 PM
I'd like Dr. Machan's take on corporate limited liability, if he thinks corporations are direct expressions of natural human rights.
Posted by Not Anti-military Per Se on 6/9/2010 5:01:31 AM
Forgive me, but I can't get this one article off my mind. Corporations are not people. People pay for there mistakes!!!!!!!!! Persons in corporations very frequently walk away from mistakes and crimes for that matter with reduced or no consequences. Corporate entities tend to have lives of there own which are focused on the utter destruction of the individual. Indeed isn't the struggle between the corporate and individual what has been taking place since the beginning of time? No, corporations are not people. People would not as a routine (economically could not for that matter) rape, pillage, steal, kill, without conscience, where corporation will and do with very little restraint and no remorse. The paper says of the people, for the people, by the people, not of the corporations, for the corporations, by the corporations. America was unique in all human history because it granted the individual rights in the face of corporate powers that oppressed! How this simple concept has been confused is a utter horror. This one article cannot be forgotten. Nothing confuses more. Nothing perpetuates the horror quite like this article. I understand The Bell wants to provide a forum for a variety of view points but If this feedback is not consistent with the general tenor of The Bell's free market thinking please respond. Peace....... (something corporations have very little use for by the way).
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