Globally, share prices are down by more than 6%, while some markets, notably those of China, Greece, Portugal and Spain, have lost much more. It's not hard to see why. Renewed uncertainty about the future direction of monetary, fiscal and regulatory policy has once again undermined confidence, reviving risk aversion and volatility. This was always bound to happen once the extraordinary monetary, fiscal and financial system support that helped underpin the stock market rally of last year started to unwind, but with the economic recovery still far from secure, that moment has come rather sooner than markets anticipated or policymakers would have wished. In many emerging markets, the authorities are already in overt, tightening mode. Fearful of rising inflation and asset bubbles, China is clamping down on runaway credit expansion, while in India too, attempts are being made to drain excess liquidity by increasing banks' reserve requirements. The contrast with still stagnant advanced economies could scarcely be greater. While emerging markets take matters into their own hands, here in the west there is a feeling of progressive loss of control. Policy still needs to be kept loose to stimulate moribund private demand, but markets are forcing a tightening which pulls the other way. The sustainability of burgeoning fiscal deficits is being challenged in bond markets, which in turn set the tune for interest rates in the wider economy. Governments are being forced to remove the fiscal stimulus of the last two years rather sooner than they would have wanted. – UK Telegraph
Dominant Social Theme: After rough times, the global economy will bounce back.
Free-Market Analysis: When it occurred to us recently that the current version of Western fiat money was in very deep trouble and perhaps on the way out, we wrote an article on the subject (Depression 2010 – Western Fiat-Money Finished?). Now we return to the subject because the UK Telegraph has published a story (excerpted above) that provides us with corroborating detail on just how grave the economic situation really is. The article's actual title is "Economic policies look impotent in calming the storm" and it is also excerpted below.
As the article implies, (though it doesn't fully come out and say so) the potential crackup of the euro, plus a double dip "recession" and years of potential, grinding joblessness throughout the West are going to put extreme pressure on the current system. So ... why couldn't all of the above, plus stagflation – economic stagnation mingling with price inflation – do what a century of profligacy could not: finish the dollar and related fiat currencies once and for all? (And, yes, in the past we have written of how difficult it would be to dethrone King Dollar but that was in the context of another orchestrated fiat currency. And this, it seems to us, is beginning to be another world ...)
In our previous article, we tried to point out that the world's major economies were beginning to fail and fail in unison. While those who do not follow world affairs for a living might assume that capitalism is cyclical and that these shake-outs are normal and natural, what we wanted to get across was that most people – with the exception of a handful of hard-money observers and economists – don't fully appreciate the magnitude of what is occurring. They think it is happening in their back yard. It is happening everywhere. This is part of what we wrote:
Depression 2010 – Western Fiat-Money Finished? ... We would propose that the West, and the entire globe, is living through a fiat money collapse. Economies all over the world have been inflated to their fullest and people can buy no more useless gadgets and work at no more superfluous jobs. Too many useful endeavors have been marginalized and phony ones have been elevated. An implosion is taking place. The world is reverting to a kind of mathematical practicality. In America, car companies have shrunk because there are too many cars, and houses are not being built because there are too many houses. Banks are not doing deals because too many deals have been done. All that is working overtime are the printing presses. While the greenback is exceptionally at risk we would argue that the same thing is occurring, to a greater or lesser degree, in Europe, in Japan, and even in China – despite all the happy talk about the Chinese miracle.
The point of this Bell article is to put into even better context just what IS occurring – and what the trigger mechanism might be that would lead to fiat money failure. In our previous article, Depression 2010 -- Western Fiat-Money Finished, we pointed out that all the major economies are failing together (and from our point of view fiat money was a main culprit). But in that article we did not attempt to fully describe the process that would do the damage. There are many who watch the struggles of Western economies and generally predict doom and gloom, but at this juncture we think we can be more specific than that. We can actually see how the trigger might be pulled. We are helped in our quest by the Telegraph article above. Here is some more:
The IMF has estimated that increased health spending and other costs related to ageing populations will raise the debt to GDP ratios of major advanced economies by a further 50 percentage points over the next two decades.
Pressure for both fiscal and monetary tightening is building fast, whether or not the economy is strong enough to bear it. In the US, Europe and the UK, cheap liquidity support is already being removed. The Bank of England has put quantitative easing on hold, the Federal Reserve is terminating special liquidity facilities right left and centre, and the European Central Bank too is scaling back.
Policymakers have also asked banks to prepare for an end to cheap government funding. The effect will be to widen spreads further as banks fall back on alternative, but more expensively priced, market sources for their finance. Meanwhile, there is little sign of securitization returning on the scale necessary to recreate cheap market funding, nor will there be until present regulatory uncertainties are resolved.
As can readily be seen, even if kept low, official interest rates will struggle to maintain traction and may in time become largely irrelevant. Both fiscal and monetary policy are losing their potency. None of this makes a happy backdrop for corporate earnings and therefore the immediate outlook for equity markets.
Major headwinds abound. This doesn't detract from the long term attractions of shares, which certainly seem a smarter bet than government bonds. None the less, a heady cocktail of medium term woes hangs over sentiment. Economic spring still looks a good way off. More worrying still, we can no longer rely on loose monetary and fiscal policy to deliver it.
Why is the above analysis important? Well, dear reader, you have to read between the lines, at least a bit. The author is a mainstream journo, so he is not going to spell it out for you. And in fact, he doesn't come to any real conclusions about the calamity he is cataloguing other than to conclude that "a heady cocktail of medium term woes hangs over sentiment." Oh, really?
No, the implications of this analysis – and it is a good one even though the writer won't face up to the import of his remarks – is that Europe, America, China (and Japan) are facing prolonged bouts of higher interest rates and more expensive money. Now this might be a tolerable scenario within the context of good times but America is flat on its back and Europe is getting there. China's situation, we believe, is far more parlous than the authorities admit, and we've lost track of how many "recessions" Japan has entered into, but it's apparently started another.
This is how fiat currencies fail, in fact. Not with a bang but with a series of increasingly angry whimpers leading up to a crescendo of indignation and pain. We are not so foolish as to prognosticate what happens next – or whether a private gold and silver market standard re-enters the world by default. (Or perhaps as the Brownians hope, in some cases banks and central banks will be nationalized.) But we do know that if current fiat money economies enter the kind of downward spiral this Telegraph article is portraying (and others in the hard-money community have predicted) that the elites who have orchestrated the present disaster will have a hard time retaining enough credibility to exercise control over an ongoing populist unwinding of the current system.
And that is really the issue. We sense rage in the world right now, especially the Western world, which has spread just as fast as the so-called American subprime mortgage contagion. While this rage has not been fully reported, we can see signs of it everywhere. In America it is most obvious in the Tea Party movement, which, unlike other such populist movements, is apparently refusing to be co-opted by the Anglo-American power-elite. The Tea Party movement has been spawned by America's joblessness and the evident mismanagement of the political order that is virtually bankrupting the country with its endless warring and nonsensical social programs.
In Europe, the frustration is starting to mount. It has been simmering of course, for years, but now as the Greece crisis explodes, it will likely climb along with the evidence that the EU is faced with fairly untenable choices and that its participant states and their citizens have been sold unrealizable promises. What began as a common trade zone has morphed into a political union promising prosperity for all. What most of the weaker EU countries are actually facing are years of grinding privation as the EU currency limits begin to bite and the blows are not softened by money printing or devaluation.
In China, we can tell what is going on simply by the frantic pace with which that huge country shifts monetary policy – all the while printing more and more yaun. The old men running China will do anything to keep their so-called boom going. There are plenty of reports of empty malls in China, and one of our feedbackers writes to us of virtually deserted cities(!). In any event, China has decided that internal demand will make up for the now non-existent consumer demand of the West. Yet the Chinese as we understand it, are a thrifty people, barely 50 years from an existence in which some filled their bowls with stones to make the rice last longer. The idea that the corrupt, venal and cowardly leaders of this particular nation state can browbeat their citizens into buying vacation homes and third and fourth cars is doubtful, we think.
And then there is Japan, which has been trying to print its way out "recession" since the early 1990s by our reckoning. That's going on two decades. Every few years we hear that Japan is emerging from its funk and that the economy is taking off. But recently the news has been terrible from the land of the Rising Sun, which depends mostly on exports to keep its economy rolling. Where exactly is it going to export? Greece? America? China? Japan has an aging population and its printing presses have been working overtime for 20 years without success. The only option left now is to cut and cut hard. The Japanese will have to suck it down once more. Will they?
Having established that the largest economies in the world may be deeply in trouble, we have now pointed out that the trigger mechanism for a brand new economic order is the misery that the world's largest economies are facing over the next decade. The prospect of this misery has caused intense anger in America, will likely fuel tremendous disruptions in Europe and perhaps even in Japan (well, something may happen in Japan, anyway). China is a wild card. In fact, our view is that China is cauldron of catastrophe ready to bubble over. If and when the bubble bursts in China, there will be trouble a-plenty.
And yet ... we have saved the most important analysis for last. Why? Because the objection to all of the above would be that such cycles have occurred before. The nefarious system of private/public central banking (mercantilism) that has been in place for a century now has been through plenty of ups and downs and has weathered them all. Those at the very top have tremendous resources. Having built the system, they are in a position to do what is necessary to control it, re-jigger it and buy off the (mostly controlled) opposition.
But this time, dear reader, it is different! This time, every action that the power elite takes, every move it makes, is subject to the most excruciating analysis on the Internet. There are now, truly, no places to hide. The lies that would palliate only irritate. The machinations that should soothe only exacerbate the already raw wound. There is NOTHING the power elite can do at this point that is not transparent to millions of ordinary people who read the Internet and have come to understand the evil of the system it has put in place.
Years ago, we used to write this as a theoretical paradigm. But listen to average people in the American Tea Party movement. Many of them are very informed about economics. Many of them understand the evils of the current mercantilist banking system and how it has hijacked their livelihoods and made it impossible for them to find employment, care for their families or build a future for their children.
This is not an "emergency" that the power-elite can overcome through the kind of crisis-management at which they are adept. They cannot bring their think tanks to bear or defuse the growing rage through orchestrated mainstream media campaigns. It is truly a mass movement partaking of Hayek's spontaneous order. There are no leaders to arrest, no agitators to shoot, no ideological arguments to debunk. The reason for this state of affairs is because the Internet – which is fueling all the above – is a PROCESS not an event. And the process is ongoing. From the power elite point of view, it will only GET WORSE. Free-market thinking will only become more acute, and at the same time more generalized. And this is a terrible nightmare for them.
We have certainly written some of the above before, but we are sure our regular readers will indulge our repetition. We – and you – have a ringside seat to the biggest show on earth. This is the biggest story that will ever be written in our lifetimes. We are seeing what may be the end of a hundred-year-old attempt to subvert the freedoms of the entire Western world. Oh, certainly things will not go smoothly! The power elite in our estimation controls most of what can be controlled, and can start wars to boot. But it is already too late to control the dissemination of the Internet's free-market information. It is already too late to erase a generalized understanding of how the elite's fear-based promotions work, or how they take advantage of such promotions to rob the average person of wealth and hope.
Will we see a gold and silver standard in our lifetime? Or free banking? Don't know. Will we see a reduction of war, a pull-back on domestic spying and repression? Perhaps. We tend to think so. We base our assumptions on what happened after the Gutenberg press made books generally available, a state of affairs that eventually swept away the entire old order and remade Western civilization – for the better in many ways. Ideas are far more powerful than swords, or even tanks. Even tactical nuclear weapons. When a people in aggregate find out they have been lied to, watch out.
It is for this reason, then, that we write of the death of fiat money. If the great fiat-money economies of the world stagger under the twin weights of price-inflation and failing, jobless economies, there will be massive socio-political difficulties in our opinion. But this time, the manipulations available to a power elite that wishes to keep the current damnable system in place will not be available because of the Internet. People will understand, in our opinion, and will not tolerate the machinations. The same thing that is happening to global warming will eventually happen to the entire central-banking scheme. It will begin to fall apart. People, tortured by their sudden poverty and the rapine of hopelessness, will read the truth and act. It will not be pleasant for the power elite that has invested so much time and money in the current intergenerational scheme, but it is simply human nature. It is life.
Conclusion: Smell that? There is a sudden but discernable whiff of panic in the air. We think the elite has miscalculated. Instead of global regulatory regime and controllable global populism, they are increasingly faced with the informed rage of millions and eventually, perhaps, tens or hundreds of millions. Add in China and Japan and you're talking billions. We know there are plenty of savvy readers who will disagree with us. It is all in the plan, they will write, as they have before. The elite is in control every step of the way, they will inform us with understandable cynicism or barely disguised despair. But, please consider ... what if they are not?
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Posted by Richard on 2/18/2010 4:59:04 AM
Nice piece, but what happens if those 'power elites' decides to shut down the Internet? Can they? Most likely, just invent some scare or bug and then the crowd will be screaming for it.
Posted by DRUNK AND DISORDERLY on 2/18/2010 6:52:06 AM
Interesting article, as always, thank you. I sound a little crazy, but the Power Elite will be the savior, not the destroyer, of the world economy. Without a lower, subservient class how can there be an elite class? Or put another way, the "elite-class" farmer needs his domestic animals to produce and works hard to keep them healthy and happy.
Posted by Kh on 2/18/2010 7:32:29 AM
The caliber of the writing on this site is exemplary. No split infinitives here. Perhaps I am alone in this observation, but the quality of writing seems to have declined with the advent of the internet. Its really a stylistic void. The reader spends ever less time per article, so the author must "cut to the chase," to keep the reader's attention. As a result, style is gutted in the name of efficiency.
As per the article, all fiat currencies are eventually toilet paper money. History has taught this hard learned lesson over and over again, but our ruling elites have no desire to learn this lesson. Fiat money itself, is a failure to accept reality. The reality is that government's function should be limited and that most people want it kept that way. So the elites come up with a method of expanding the government at absolutely no cost to the masses.
Until one day every wakes up and realizes that they've been effed. And without ever having been kissed! Then there's crisis of confidence and its hello Zimbabwe. The same exact course of events has been repeated over and over again and yet, humanity just doesn't seem to learn.
We had hyper inflation in the colonies and finally Mother England stepped in and prohibited the colonies from printing their own money. We had hyperinflation during the Revolutionary War, that almost caused the defeat of Washington and his troops. No one would except their payment of continentals for supplies and military stores. Hence the saying, "Not worth a continental."
In just five years the value of a continental went from 1 to the Spanish Dollar to 168. Perhaps the guy in charge of the printing press was a progenitor of Ben Bernanke.
Reply from the Daily Bell:
Thank you for the kind words and informed commentary. We do our best, style-wise. The Internet should be a treasure trove of good writing and thinking, in our humble opinion.
Posted by Bryan on 2/18/2010 10:06:58 AM
Great article, Thanks. I guess the big question is how and when this occurs, it seems to me that this is getting closer. Celente has an interview with Judge Napolitano on Freedom Watch that paints a very ugly picture and soon 2010. On the International forecaster dated 2/13 he discusses What they are going to do to the INTERNET. Obama has already agreed to give up some control of the Internet to a Branch of the UN.
Posted by Scott on 2/18/2010 11:22:48 AM
"The point of this Bell article is to put into even better context just what IS occurring - and what the trigger mechanism might be that would lead to fiat money failure."
This was an exciting sentence to read over coffee this morning, but I'm afraid in the end it came out a lot like the last minutes of a 1950's TV serial-- "Tune in next week to see if Lassie save's Timmy from the cougar!"
You've done a nice job of summarizing the long term outlook for a society bent on literally "making" money. The simple economics of the situation are that physical resources are finite and labor, for all practical purposes, is not.
In a fiat system, money represents labor and it will naturally diminish in value with respect to raw materials as the labor supply increases. This is the familiar supply/demand economic model.
Over the course of time, as the labour pool grows the value of fiat currencies must decline; it will take more and more work to acquire fewer and fewer unbound resources. That's an economic certainty.
But the intrigue in your promise above is the idea that you might have identified a "trigger" or "tipping point" at which the current system will suffer a catastrophic state change.
Will this story, the "greatest show on earth" reach a crescendo in or lifetimes, or will we suffer an endless sequence of cliff hangers that eventually trail off into mind numbing reruns? I'm afraid the article doesn't answer that question, though it would appear to make the claim.
Reply from the Daily Bell:
We wrote:
"If the great fiat-money economies of the world stagger under the twin weights of price-inflation and failing, jobless economies, there will be massive socio-political difficulties in our opinion. But this time, the manipulations available to a power elite that wishes to keep the current damnable system in place will not be available because of the Internet. People will understand, in our opinion, and will not tolerate the machinations. The same thing that is happening to global warming will eventually happen to the entire central-banking scheme. It will begin to fall apart. People, tortured by their sudden poverty and the rapine of hopelessness, will read the truth and act. It will not be pleasant for the power elite that has invested so much time and money in the current intergenerational scheme, but it is simply human nature. It is life."
We thought that was a fairly clear contextual statement of the trigger mechanism leading to fiat money failure. Price inflation and virtual, serial depressions plus the scrutiny of the Internet could lead in time to a complete degradation of the system.
Posted by Rick on 2/18/2010 1:04:07 PM
Well done article and no doubt right on. However your suggestion that the internet will keep us informed is questionable to say the least.
Yes the internet can be a great tool for getting information as long as the information we are getting is not being generated by the very forces motioned in your article. The internet is being perverted all the time. You can witness the way it is done in the health reform debate. In this case the insurance companies (one of the power elite) hire third party operatives to create numbers of seemingly independent web sites that can and do report things that are blatantly false and used to manipulate readers opinion. Then they simply cross reference the misinformation from one site to another as a form of closed looped fact checking effectively making a lie into a truth.
Of course there is no need for the underlying source of the information (the insurance companies) to disclose their role in any of this to the readers of those third party web sites. So people going to the net to seek out information on the subject have no idea that the very people they are trying to fact check are the ones delivering the misinformation on a massive scale.
Of course once the reader's opinion is formed by the misinformation and lack of real fact checking, they dutifully parrot the tainted information through operations like the Tea Party. By disguising the insurance company's involvement and message through seemingly unrelated web sites it is actually almost too easy to distort the truth. Just check out the insurace companies stock prices.
Posted by Liberty Belle on 2/18/2010 1:09:21 PM
Dear Bell: WOW! Thank you for a thoughtful and excellent analysis! As dire as the tone is for the near future, I see this as a message of hope. Hope for the future of Liberty and Freedom. Hope that the Power Elite, for once, are, just maybe, on the ropes! The truth will out as they say. It is this window of opportunity, that the light of hope steams though.
Again, thank you for pointing this out. One caveat I would add to your comparison of the internet to the Gutenberg press, would be to tip your hat to those that I call "Coyote Teachers"... those gifted and wise among us who have pointed to the truth and caused awakening, disgruntled Citizens (such as myself) to seek the truth on the internet and return to studying history again.
If unfamiliar the term "Coyote Teacher" it is a Native American term for the method the wise ones (teachers) would utilize to pique the interest of their students. They would drop few subtle hints, like bait. Just enough information to get their students to question and explore on their own.
This happened to me 4 years ago when I first stared listening to Dr. Ron Paul. I knew on a gut level that "something" was very wrong with my country. I had spent my entire life fully immersed in the illusion of reality painted by the power elite, as do most of the masses. I looked for the truth where, I know now, it cannot be found.
But Dr. Paul captured my attention! He actually referred to the Constitution and Rule of Law (of all things) and dropped hints in interviews when he would mention "Bretton Woods" and Wilson Administration, spoke of gold and silver and when he was scoffed at I knew, that only those threatened by the truth or unable to understand what was being discussed, will scoff...
So I explored these tid bits of information. It was this trail I followed,reading his books, Ed Griffin's books, our founding documents, biographys of the founders, Tom Woods, even Plato's Republic, Mises, Hayak, Rothberg...and more... What a glorious and wild ride I have taken following the road to truth! And now that road has led me to...YOU!
Now, by far, The Daily Bell is my favorite daily post! I will be eternally grateful to Dr. Paul for being the Coyote Teacher I needed at that moment of my great questioning...and to the Bell for helping me to link the details of my reading into a fleshed out paradigm.
Reply from the Daily Bell:
You have provided an eloquent description of "Coyote Teacher." And we agree with you. We DO try not to offer too much information at one time - though in some articles we offer more information than others. We figure readers and feedbackers such as yourself can figure out what's what on your own anyway - and probably already have by the time you visit the Bell.
Posted by Donna Clayton on 2/18/2010 2:12:24 PM
BORN IN 1933, I HAVE EXPERIENCED MANY PRESIDENTS, ECONOMIC DOWNTURNS, WARS, AND RECOVERIES. NEVER HAVE I SEEN SUCH A PERFECT ECONOMIC STORM AS WE NOW ARE SEEING. I AM NOT AN ELITIST, BUT MORE A TEA PARTY MENTALITY. I HATE THE DISHOSEST MAINSTREAM PRESS, AND THE LIES THAT WE WITNESS DAILY FROM OUR GOVERNMENT, AND FINALLY THE FACT THAT THE ELITE CONTINUE TO LOOK DOWN THEIR CROOKED NOSES AT WE WHO ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN THE SURVIVAL OF OUR BELOVED U.S.A., AND OUR BRILLIANT CONSTITUTION. YES, WE ARE "CLINGING TO OUR BIBLES AND OUR GUNS", AND LONG LIVE OUR GREAT NATION BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE.
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Caps off please.
Posted by John McLeod on 2/18/2010 2:20:58 PM
As a subscriber to the Scott Reynolds Nelson school, that we are essentially rerunning the Panic of 1873, perhaps you're over-emphasizing the role of entitlements here. We would seem to have bigger issues than Social Security and Medicare shortfalls.
Under the Nelson theory, what hit us was the shock of sudden innovation in East Asia, where cheap high quality cars from Japan and Bratz dolls from China suddenly flooded into the West, annihilating the traditional suppliers (Ukraine and Russia then, MI,IN,OH,IL,... now).
As in Europe in the mid-19th century the West recently got into a lot of debt when goods got cheap, and a lot of the debts went bad post-Panic. Presently the bad paper is mostly in off-balance-sheet deals, so whenever we get around to consolidation lots of institutions go Tango Uniform. When, not if.
People forget that the quarter-century prior to when the Spanish American War sent the US on extra-continental adventuring featured a hot, shooting insurgency in the SE and a hotter shooting class war in the NE. That's about what China can expect over the next generation.
Europe didn't collapse from 1874 to 1898, it was merely fatally wounded, and that's what's happening to America now. Benjamin Disraeli did a pretty good job holding things together from '74 to '80, and Obama has a similar task. Except that he's got today's equivalent of late-19th century Eastern Europe to nurse along too. A tall order, but he's got a chance if he listens more to Volcker and less to Summers.
Reply from the Daily Bell:
John writes to us from Housingdoom.com ... Interesting site.
Posted by Kevin on 2/18/2010 4:46:14 PM
Hi. Are there examples in history where a country started using fiat money and then later returned to the gold or hard currency standard? Also, you mention that the power elite must be concerned about the internet and it's free flow of information.
I see a push in countries like Australia to have all ISP's filter the internet, ostensibly to stop child porn and such. It may or may not be a simple process to add extra filters so that certain topics/sites show up as filtered.
I suspect that wouldn't happen right away but it would certainly be in the best interests of the power elite if that could be done.
Anyway, thanks for the insightful articles.
Reply from the Daily Bell:
Ah, another well informed reader. We intend to write about the Australian situation in the near future, assuming the crush of other news does not distract us.
As far as economic cycles are concerned - if fiat money fails, something must take its place, mustn't it? Absent a formal (statist) program enforcing yet another unfair and impractical monetary regime, we might anticipate a default to traditional money - gold and silver circulated in a "natural" ratio. Call it a private-market, honest money standard.
Posted by Tawny on 2/18/2010 4:53:04 PM
A concern of mine has been precisely 'the Brownians' and their ilk, including (to name a few) the makers of the MONEYMASTERS video, and I believe Webster Tarpley, a very smart man who actually professes to believe that FDR was a populist and not the tool of Wall Street and the big bankers, and that the 'New' Deal was a 'good' deal, for the people).
Speaking generally, as I understand it, these wanna be monetary 'reformers' think that all will be well if we continue on with fiat money, but issued by the govt. alone and not in partnership with private bankers (aka the Fed and other central banks). They cite Lincoln and his greenbacks - oblivious, apparently, to the fact that Lincoln was the chosen candidate/tool of the mercantilists, and the fact that the Greenbacks were extremely inflationary (as well as being unconstitutional). Interest-bearing or not, intrinsically worthless fiat currency is still 'printing press/electronic money' and will lead to the same corruption -- to the same boom/bust roller coaster 'economy by mayhem' that benefits a chosen few 'insiders' at the expense of the working people.
The argument is put forward that 'there is not enough gold' for the world to use it as money. As Rothbard and other Austrian economists point out, its amount is irrelevant. Its value will, in a free market economy, be a function of the amount in existence/circulation.
And the amount in circulation of precious metals cannot be rapidly fluctuated - which is good - in fact, essential, if we are to have a currency of stable value.The problem with fiat currencies is not just that they are interest-bearing; it is also that their amount in circulation CAN, unlike gold and silver, be relatively rapidly fluctuated, thereby resulting, overall, in continuous inflation/loss of value of the monetary unit, and in losses to those who read the false signals of more 'money' in circulation as signaling the creation/existence of more real wealth/capital. AND - those who benefit, unfairly, will still be those (and their cronies) who possess the power to manipulate the money supply.
Additionally, it is obvious on its face that NO ONE should have the power to create 'money' out of nothing. OF COURSE that power will be abused. Duh. Power corrupts etc.
My concern, or one of them, is that if pushed to the wall, the elites' 'Plan B' will be some 'reform' involving a non-interest bearing fiat currency system, and that the masses are not sufficiently savvy, in terms of economics, to realize that it would be a faux 'reform' ... kind of like, to be a bit improper, changing one's name from Joe Bleep to John Bleep.
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Tawny, you are just too good.
Posted by Chuck on 2/18/2010 6:42:43 PM
Now we have the tragedy in Texas. My heart absolutely goes out to those poor people. I am in now way, shape, or form discounting this. However, the very sad fact is that the Elite will get all the mileage they can from this.
A free market thinker (while not at all discounting the human tragedy and loss of life) must think about the fact that this comes a day after the Bell ran an article on false flags.
This is the very type of thing the Elite can gain a lot of traction from. We're already hearing of Constitutionalists and Liberterians being called "UnAmerican" and "terrorists". When in fact, our activism and independent analysis may be the very thing that saves the people who are labeling us as such.
This is an excellent article, the Bell always is. I too believe that we are closer than ever to the doom of the Western fiat money. It is my strong opinion that the legs need to start running faster and leaving the head further behind, to give the Elite even less to work with. They have a design to bring about the fall of fiat, we know that. We just have to force its destruction before they do. Because that way, they are on the end of our puppet strings.
Posted by Bruce on 2/18/2010 7:04:23 PM
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Very good! Please update us from time to time, if you don't mind.
Posted by Shawn on 2/18/2010 7:45:32 PM
The power elite need to control the internet and when they want to they will, maybe the collection of our personal information is worth allowing us the temporary freedom of an open world wide conversation.
It is clear to most that there is something seriously wrong with just about all aspects of the financial system created by allowing government to have the power to make money out of nothing. Who among us would have actually have given these self serving narcissists this ridiculous power.
There will be CHANGE and I HOPE it's not as violent and world shaking as I expect. We must remember who is in control and has been in control, and how easy people do as they're told.
Posted by Bill Hopen on 2/18/2010 7:50:49 PM
You refer to the leaders of China as "the corrupt, venal and cowardly leaders of this particular nation state." What blatently yellow journalism! Look to your own congress and state governments before you throw stones.
Have you ever been to China? You sound like your consciousness is pure 1960s? True, they have a big bubble going on, but you are talking about one of the most productive, thrifty and energetic populations on earth, (who have tons of cash not debt) who work for less than a buck per hour....they will do OK ....will we? hmmmmm?
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"You are talking about one of the most productive, thrifty and energetic populations on earth."
No, Bill, we were describing the leadership.
Posted by Bowman on 2/18/2010 8:15:48 PM
Have I been blacklisted by the "Bell", none of posts are being accepted.
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We do not blacklist, and your posts are always welcome. Sorry if you have had trouble. Why don't you resend what was not posted - and we will post it right away.
Posted by Acudoc on 2/18/2010 9:19:20 PM
What I have trouble understanding is the reaction of the obviously intelligent monetary policy makers and their associated politicians. They believe that only the dials need adjusting on the monetary Rube Goldberg machinery.
No one but the Austrian school economists questions the purpose of the machinery itself; only the Austrians question the underlying assumption that there are experts capable of deciding how much money to create in order to keep a society growing and functioning, and what interest rate to charge for that newly created money.
Very curious. In the United States 100 years of fiat, debt-based money has destroyed a general understanding of what actually constitutes money. Very curious. I repeat myself.
Posted by Dan on 2/18/2010 10:10:06 PM
Excellent article,, as I expect from The Daily Bell.
There is an idea to contemplate that I have been trying to explain to friends;There are $2.4 quadrillion in contracts denominated in dollars. Let's say that there are 4 times that total in existence. Say $ 10 quadrillion in instruments. Those instruments only have value if they can be [eventually] redeemed for goods and services. By siphoning off the wealth of everyone and making them work that much harder, the power elite have created an "amount" of instruments that is so massive, it can never be redeemed.
By impoverishing the populace, the Illuminaughty have created a situation where goods can be created but, no one has the buying power to purchase them. The bonds, [promises of redemption] can't be redeemed without commerce. The parasites have starved the host down to a dry husk. Since the notional value of the bonds is far greater than all the tangibles in the world, the value of the bonds will evaporate. What good is a $ trillion in U.S. treasury bonds if U.S. manufacturers produce nothing?
We have unlimited production capacity and VERY finite purchasing capacity. AFTER the holders of instruments discover that these instruments can't be redeemed, there will be very little incentive to purchase more of them. The Power Elites may hold enormous amounts of bonds and huge amounts of tangibles but, the aggregate wages of an unemployed populace will not be able to redeem those bonds or vitalize the production capacity. After the bonds evaporate, it will be a LONG time before any new ones are issued. As you said "it is different this time."
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Well done.
Posted by MetaCynic on 2/18/2010 10:30:48 PM
It's tempting to fear that the Power Elite is omnipotent and is nefariously orchestrating what appears to be a breakdown in its authority and credibility in order to somehow amass even more power.
What we must remember is that we are still dealing with fallible humans and not gods. Just as parasites don't worry about the well being of the host or even that of other parasites, each member of the Power Elite is out to enrich himself and damned be everyone else.
The more complex and far reaching their schemes, the more likely that some miscalculation will derail the elite's juggernaut. This is simply the nature of our uncertain world. Ludwig von Mises wrote about such failings in arguing that central planning of any sort can never realize its stated objectives. Look at the outcome of the various social engineering central plans which the American government has implemented these past several decades - all are massive and expensive failures. Where today are the wars on poverty, illiteracy, drugs and inequality? Their ongoing failures have, of course, been an excuse for Washington to grab yet more power and money to deal with the resulting growing social pathologies. Yet it's becoming clear to even the barely discerning that central planning simply does not work.
The really smart observers always understood that the house of cards will collapse when government eventually runs out of of other people's money to redistribute and fund its operations.
We witnessed the rapid, domino-like collapse of a ruthless elite's power after decades of miscalculation and corruption emboldened the impoverished slaves in the Communist Bloc to rise up in one country after another and refuse to obey. We will see this on an even bigger scale in America and the whole of Europe when it becomes clear that the social welfare promises to a majority cannot be funded even by the entire wealth confiscation of a productive minority.
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Excellent.
Posted by Scott on 2/18/2010 11:50:37 PM
"We thought that was a fairly clear contextual statement of the trigger mechanism leading to fiat money failure."
It's not any clearer than saying printing money is bad and information about the predicted effects of printing money might make it harder to get away with. People who kite checks have known this for years.
A "triggering" event would be something less philosophical, more immediate and likely conclusive. Temperature crossing a boundary threshold, leading to a boiling liquid is a trigger point. To observe that heat is necessary to boil water, and that rising temperature will at some point lead to boiling is useful, but fails to identify a trigger point. For some reason I thought that was clear.
Posted by Bill Ross on 2/19/2010 9:37:14 AM
NEVER forget. Money is information, a trade good, a means of settlement representing the mutually perceived (and therefore agreed) value of any good or service that are traded. Not only is the value of the goods or services traded perceptual but so is the perceived value of money, which is an expectation (promise) of being equivalent to some future goods or services.
Money, as a market good also has perceived value subject to the laws of supply and demand. The more there is and/or the less its redemption value is trusted, the less it is worth. The less there is and / or the more it is trusted, the more value it is perceived to have.
A downward trend in the value of money is a disincentive to saving (money will never be worth more than it is NOW) and an incentive to spend, spend, spend.This suits the interests of states who exist by a percentage of financial transactions, favoring a state of affairs where transaction velocity is (rate of spending) is as high as possible. Monetary value manipulation (Nixon severing all value ties to gold) is also how elites pushed us over the tipping point where investment in future productivity (savings, financing growth) now requires credit which is just more fiat currency printing by banks.
Since peaceful civilization (the rules by which we cooperate for MUTUAL self-interest) can only be based on voluntary, mutually agreed trade, if the value of the unit of settlement (currency) is unstable, all trades based upon it are unstable, meaning our entire financial system, as we are experiencing. Correct choice requires factual, stable information, in general. Correct trades requires the same stability, else, someone is defrauded:
In particular, when you work for currency and value manipulations erode the purchasing power, you have been defrauded and enslaved for whatever portion of your life you spent working for what has been stolen. Same for when your pensions are stolen using various pretexts. Same for when your social services (ponzi schemes) which you have spent a lifetime contributing to collapse. Any and all shifting of resources from the productive to unproductive (criminals) disencents the productive and collapses civilizations:
Slavery DOES NOT WORK. This is the main point that must be made to those who believe they are "in control" and have the arrogance to point our guns at us, demanding our servitude for an inexhaustible number of ever changing pretexts which only fools can believe.
Posted by MetaCynic on 2/19/2010 10:47:24 PM
My understanding of the fiat money system and fractional reserve banking is that all newly created money enters the system as credit upon which someone must pay interest. This would mean that at any moment, the total amount of money owed, including interest, always exceeds the quantity of money in existence.
The implications of this fact are staggering. Any small fraction of all debtors can become debt free. But, including all individuals, businesses and government units, we as a society can never become debt free. It's mathematically impossible! New money, upon which interest must be paid, is perpetually needed to pay off the interest on existing debt. It's like drinking seawater to quench one's thirst. Maybe this is one reason why growth in the fiat money supply is accelerating toward hyperinflation. Self-destruction might be intrinsic to credit creation.
Posted by KevinC on 2/20/2010 1:39:06 PM
There is a way to evolve the monetary system so that we can remove the threat of inflation in a controlled manner. The money in circulation is a common good in the sense of "The Tragedy of the Commons".
We have abused this commons and there is too much money in the system. The system adjusts itself by slowing the movement of money and through inflation. We need to reduce the amount of money, quicken its movement, and stabilise its creation.At the moment money is created by monetising existing assets.
While this is a good mechanism for existing assets we cannot monetise future assets. Future assets are monetised through equity financing. By future assets I mean assets that generate more wealth than they cost to build and operate. The net result is that it is financially cheaper to buy an asset than it is to build exactly the same asset. We can finance the purchase of existing assets with loans of 6.
To finance the same asset and build it the equity return is expected to be 20 or more.So we have a system where it costs less to buy than to build. We have a system where those that have assets also have access to finance to buy some more while those who build have to give away large amounts of their equity to those who already have.It is a "tragedy of the commons". We know that producing too much money is bad for the system but we know that as individuals if we can produce money then we will benefit.
A solution to the "tragedy of the commons" is as follows. You Reward those who put the least demand on the commons but they have to invest their Reward in ways to increase the commons.
We have too much money in relation to productive assets. We Reward those who have less money but they must invest their Reward (not in creating more money) but in creating new productive assets.This can be done simply and effectively and can work to address other "tragedies of the common". The concentration of green house gases in the atmosphere is one such tragedy.
Putting ghg into the atmosphere benefits those who do it but hurts the group. We can solve this by Rewarding those who contribute less ghg to the atmosphere (perhaps as measured by their mains electricity consumption). We require those Rewards to be invested in ways to reduce the level of ghg such as building Renewable Energy Plants. Rewards can be in the form of zero interest loans.If we have zero interest money to invest then almost all forms of renewable energy are immediately profitable.
The investment of this Reward money will create assets that will produce more money than it cost to build the assets. This will now start to stabilise the system as we will have more assets than money.This approach can be implemented in an evolutionary way. You can see a presentation on it by searching YouTube for "Interest Free Loans - part 1" and "Interest Free Loans - part 2" and view the presentation at
The approach can be adopted by any community that uses fiat money.
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Thanks for the info and link.
Posted by Bruce C. on 2/23/2010 9:53:45 AM
In my opinion, the ultimate trigger point is when ordinary people suddenly and en masse stop accepting fiat currency for payment. I just returned from a foreign country and realized while I was there how precarious things are. Literally mass hypnosis is at work and when the spell breaks it's going to be really something.
Posted by Jim Of Tarragindi on 2/24/2010 5:39:13 AM
I certainly hope that: "The same thing that is happening to global warming will eventually happen to the entire central-banking scheme."
However I suspect that until one of the global mass media breaks ranks and admits its editors, publishers and owners were deceived by the false and now fraudulent evidence of AGW, the millions who depend on television for their news will continue to blame the politicians thrown up in the name of "democracy" in fraudulent elections.
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