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Will Israel Bomb Iran?
Israel Weighs Merits of Solo Attack on Iran ... Officials, Seeing Impending Policy Split With U.S., Debate Prospect of a Military Strike Without Washington's Consent ... The Israeli security establishment is divided over whether it needs Washington's blessing if Israel decides to attack Iran, Israeli officials say, as the U.S. campaign for sanctions drags on and Tehran steadily develops greater nuclear capability. Israeli children play on an army tank on display for celebrations in Jerusalem Tuesday for the 62nd anniversary of the founding of the state. Some senior Israeli officials say in interviews that they see signs Washington may be willing to live with a nuclear-armed Iran, an eventuality that Israel says it won't accept. Compounding Israeli concerns were U.S. statements this past weekend that underscored U.S. resistance to a military option. Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Sunday discussed a memo to National Security Adviser James Jones warning that the U.S. needed new strategies, including how to contain a nuclear Iran- suggesting that Iran could reach nuclear capability without any foreign military force trying to stop it. – Wall Street Journal
Dominant Social Theme: Iran must be dealt with.
Free-Market Analysis: We've been following the escalation of tension between Iran and Israel and the United States in several articles. As a publication that deals with free-market issues, we don't see how we can avoid it. For Israel, America, or both, to attack Iran would be a transformative event. Iran is not Iraq, or even Afghanistan. It is Persian, and the Persian culture is both formidable and significant. At one time, the Persian culture was the most important in the world.
Iran has spawned its own Shia version of the Muslim religion and is physically a large country. It has significant interactions with and influence over other countries in the region such as Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq.
In the most problematic scenarios, Israel or America, or both countries, use tactical nuclear weapons in an effort to conduct total war against Iran. If such total war is not followed up by an invasion and regime change, Iran will doubtless fight back. It will no doubt support those who are currently fighting against the US and Israel in the Middle East. The first-strike scenario is thus a recipe for what we've called a kind of "mini world war." Iran would doubtless attempt various kinds of blockades to ensure that the US would have difficulty importing oil. Beyond this, a first-strike would probably inflame both China and Russia, countries that have been less-than-enthusiastic about the pressure that the US has already put on Iran in terms of escalating economic sanctions. Here's some more from the article:
Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, reiterated Sunday the U.S. position that a military strike against Iran is a "last option." Israel says it supports the U.S.-led push for new economic sanctions against Iran. But Israeli officials have increasingly voiced frustration over the slow pace of diplomatic efforts to get sanctions in place. Relations between the two allies have soured in recent weeks, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government pushing back against Obama administration pressure to freeze building in Jewish areas of East Jerusalem, which Washington says is counterproductive to its Mideast peace efforts.
In another sign of a split, Israeli officials say they believe Iran – whose president has called for the destruction of Israel – could develop a warhead to strike the country within a year if it decides to, though outside experts say such capability is years away. Tehran says its nuclear program is for peaceful uses. Such divisions have played into fears in Israel that if Washington's sanctions effort fails, the Israeli and American positions on Iran could rapidly diverge – and Israel, if it chooses to attack Iran, would have no choice but to do so on its own.
We would note that Iran's president probably did NOT call for the destruction of Israel. That controversial remark – as we understand it from numerous Internet reports – actually indicated that Israel would eventually cease to exist, at least on a map of Middle East powers, but it is unclear how such a change would come about. Presumably, if Iran intended or expected to "wipe Israel off the map," such bellicose rhetoric would have been specifically repeated. It has not been to the best of our knowledge.
Instead, Iran has repeated over and over that its intentions as regards a nuclear resource are peaceful. Whether this is believable or not is a separate issue. However, Israel is said to have up to 400 nuclear devices, so even if Iran developed a few of its own, the Iranians would have a long ways to go to catch up with Israel.
We really don't understand the paranoia surrounding Iran's development of a nuclear capability. If Iran attempted to attack Israel with atomic weapons it would be wiped off the face of the earth. If Iran began to seed its nuclear technology elsewhere, surely that would become known and Iran would then face the consequences of whatever stemmed from its nuclear proliferation.
It is not clear that an Israeli strike on Iran's hardened nuclear-development facilities would be effective. Thus, Iran would have to be invaded in order to ensure that its nuclear effort was ended. It is hard to conceive of a scenario where Israel would invade Iran on its own. But if the US accompanied Israel, then the US would be involved in three shooting wars in the Middle East at a time when its population has grown increasingly weary – and wary – of TWO entanglements.
An attack on Iran would fundamentally change not just the political landscape but also the economic one. Investors, or those simply concerned with the economic ramifications of war, will obviously keep a close eye on what's happening. From the Bell's point of view, much of the rhetoric involving Iran is being driven by an elite promotion, a dominant social theme which demonizes Muslims – whether Sunni or Shia – and Iran in particular. A case can be made, in fact, that the Anglo-American elite in particular wants to increase and sustain tensions in the Middle East in order to justify a war footing at home. The idea is that tensions abroad distract from problems with failing Western economies.
Conclusion: This is a dangerous game in the era of the Internet. Generally, thanks to the 'Net, a minority of citizens in the West are quite aware of the kinds of elite manipulations that have taken place in the past and are opposed to a repeat. While sanctions may continue to escalate against Iran, the prospect of an all-out war against Iran would have formidable consequences. It's not clear how it would turn out, but the impact would be felt on a variety of commodities and investments in a big way. This certainly could be the defining story – and event – of the decade.
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Posted by Penny on 04/29/10 09:03 AM
"The third world war must be formented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the Political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic world.
The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arab World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue, will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion....
We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.
Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilisation and the multitude, disallusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.
The manifestation wll result from the general reactionary movement hich will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time"
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Ugh. Interesting. Thanks, Penny. Knew he wrote of two world wars but didn't realize he was this specific regarding a third one. Spooky.
Posted by Mike on 04/27/10 03:29 PM
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Posted by Robert Marchenoir on 04/26/10 08:41 AM
This is irrelevant. At least from a political and practical standpoint. What's relevant is what's happening now, and bound to happen in the future.
Also : violence may be justified. If someone decides to wage war upon you, the only way to survive is violence. Do you want to survive ? I do.
From a historical and religious perspective, there's absolutely no comparison between violence waged in the name of Islam and violence waged in the name of Christianity. Islam praises violence. Christianity condemns it. The founders of Islam were warriors. The founder of Christianity were martyrs.
What Muslims and Christians actually did throughout their history reflects this difference up to this day. It's not only an academic issue.
May I add that the canton of Appenzell is probably (and hopefully) largely devoid of Muslim low-lewel, everyday djihad. If you lived in Clichy-sous-Bois, Malm, Detroit or some other nice places, you'd know war when you saw it.
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You really believe Christianity is peaceful and Islam is violent. This is at least a revisionist view of the Crusades.
Posted by Gordon on 04/25/10 11:38 PM
No he hasn't. He called for the replacement of the presently constituted Israeli state with a democratic state dominated by Palestinian voters. Iran has no conceivable reason for mounting the military destruction of Israel.
That's a downright lie put about by the Israeli government and its foreign supporters.
Posted by Robert Marchenoir on 04/25/10 05:56 AM
And I happen to live in a place where my people are routinely assaulted and killed by Muslims, who make no mystery of their intentions to drive us away from our ancestors' land, and make life a hell for those who don't.
Just a few days ago, a man of 67 was pelted with stones while walking his dog for no reason at all, except what the young Muslim thugs told him : "It's your turn". He's in the coma at the hospital. The doctors fear for his life. Such "incidents" happen more and more frequently.
I'm yet to see any Christians, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, Confucianists or whatever religion you name do anything remotely similar.
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There has never been any violence in the name of Christianity?
Posted by Alan on 04/24/10 04:45 PM
This is not my understanding of it. It is merely the end of a long cycle and the beginning of another. The only thing to fear about 2012 is the fact that it is 2012. That we are in a period of great change is clear to anybody whose eyes are open. This brings with it great opportunites but also dangers.
The current government in Israel is not just a zionist government but an Erstazt Israel government. That is they are not happy with what they have they want more, a greater Israel.
This means more wars for Israel and more ethnic cleansing. It is the end game for them because once they are found out, so to speak, they may decide to take as many others down with them as possible rather than go quietly. Life is going to get increasingly interesting.
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Posted by Scott on 04/23/10 03:18 PM
But 'ye shall reap what you sow', neh?
If we support a government that butts into the sovereign affairs of other nations who are neither verbally threatening us, nor have the physical ability to do so if they did, we are supporting bullies and we can expect no better treatment from them than they are showing to others. They will as happily take *our* freedoms as well.
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Posted by Scott on 04/23/10 12:07 PM
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People like to talk about bombs so long as they are not the bomb-ees?
Posted by Robert Marchenoir on 04/23/10 07:39 AM
Islam is a supremacist ideology which forces its followers to seek world domination through violent means. After a historical period of passivity, a great many Muslim leaders and individuals are presently acting on this, and trying to conquer Europe, America and Australia through immigration and djihad.
Why on earth should Western elites not show hostility to Muslims and demonise them ? It's their prime duty to do so. Their failure to protect their own civilisation, lands and peoples is a betrayal of the highest order.___[*]
Yes, "the West" (whatever that means) is currently at war with two Muslim countries. It's also a strong ally and fund-provider of several other large and powerful, Muslim countries (Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt... not to mention "Palestine", whose civil servants are on the European Union payroll).
But, at the same time, "the West", meaning the governments, the supra-national bodies, the media, academics, "intellectuals" -- not the man on the street, who knows better -- massively support Muslims' stealth djihad through immmigration and multiculturalist policies. To the point of severely punishing their own citizens when they dare to disagree. Oppression and betrayal.
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Robert, you seem like a very sincere person. So we ask this question with all due respect: Have you ever read the Old Testament? Every religious tract has "difficulties." It seems to us that people ought to be judged by the content of their character not by the altar they putatively worship at.
Posted by Tim on 04/22/10 05:10 PM
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The Oracle concerning DamascusThe burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap. The Book of the Prophet Isaiah 17:2
Posted by Klaus Kaufmann on 04/22/10 12:41 PM
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Our frame of reference is in this case 1,000 years not 3,000-5,000. We don't think modern Iraq has much in common with Babylon, anyway. But we think Iran still identifies itself passionately with Persian greatness.
Posted by Cr on 04/22/10 12:23 PM
http://www.isgp.eu/introduction.htmexcerpt from first page:"
The basic premise of this article is that an old boys network of low-profile, privately-funded, and intelligence-ridden institutes exercise a huge amount of influence over local governments, the media, universities (science), and the policies of the multinational corporations (who fund these networks). The names of about 150 of these institutes have been listed in appendix A and about 1400 names plus biographies, ranging from the most complete available to very basic, are available in the different membership lists.
A smaller list of globalist institutes are chronologically ordered in appendix B, together with the persons who founded them and some of the connections they had. Appendix C contains the genealogies of the Rothschild, Warburg, Rockefeller, and Morgan families, which might come in handy at times. A partial Cecil bloodline is also listed there, although that one has been compiled for a different reason."
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Thanks.
Posted by Lance E. Schultz on 04/22/10 12:19 PM
The fact that Qatar, an supposed ally of the U.S. in its war on terror, is actually strengthening defense ties with the biggest state sponsor of terrorism in the world clearly demonstrates the wholly unreliable nature of America's "moderate" Arab allies in the region. Iran continues to interfere in Iraq.
On February 16, America's commanding general in Iraq, Gen. Ray Odierno, revealed that the two politicians who organized the banning of about 500 Sunni candidates from running in Iraq's March 7 elections were linked to Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps.
Earlier in the month an appeals panel lifted the ban, a decision that was subsequently overruled by Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, despite U.S. V.P. Biden urging Iraqi officials to reconsider.
The Maliki government blasted the U.S. for interfering, illustrating just how excruciatingly weak America's influence has become -- and how strong Iran's.
As a result, major Sunni political bloc, the National Dialogue Front, said it would boycott the election. On the economic front, Iran has publicly announced its goal to double its trade with Iraq to $8 billion this year, an Iranian official said February 21. Iran is Iraq's "largest trade partner," and has been the "biggest investor" in its Shiite neighbor since 2003.
Lebanese PM Saad Hariri has stated that the Lebanese government will officially support Hezbollah in any future conflict with Isreal. "I think they're betting that there might be some division in Lebannon, if there is a war against us," Hariri said in a Feb. 10 BBC interview. "Well, there won't be a division in Lebannon. We will stand agaisnt Israel. We will stand with our own people."
Hariri has been considered a moderate in the past -- before capitulating to Hezbollah and its Syrian and Iranian sponsors. Just two days after Hariri's statement, the U.S. announced a boost in military aid to Lebannon! U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said the U.S. would provide Lebannon $267 million in military aid. Of course, as U.S. think tank Stratfor points out, "If the U.S. were to train and equip the Lebanese military, it would run the very real risk of having those trained individuals and all that equipment fall into the hands of one of the many militant terrorist groups operating out of Lebannon." (Feb. 17).
To avoid this scenario, the U.S. offer reportedly included the development and training of an elite army unit separate from the main Lebanese military, specifically to combat Hezbollah. However, there is "no guarantee" that Hezbollah would not be able to infiltrate such a force, just as it has the Lebanese Army.
The U.S.'s desperation in trying to undercut Hezbollah is evident in that to do so, it is increasing military aid to a government that is openly promising to "support" the terrorist group in any conflict with Israel. Will Israel bomb Iran?...you tell me
And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
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We were talking about mutually assured destruction - the reason that Russia didn't try to blow up the US via proxy during the cold war.
Posted by William Barr on 04/22/10 11:36 AM
That assumes you are dealing with rational thought. Based on everything I've seen, theirs is not. In fact, it is my belief that it is the inability or unwillingness of our leaders to step out of their own mental paradigm and try to step into another's which has resulted in so many wars.
The Iranian leadership has let it be known in no uncertain terms that both Israel and the U.S. are "Satan", in one form or another. Put the "bomb" in the hands of such ideologically led people, and you are probably asking for the unthinkable. Israel's 400 to 1 bomb advantage is meaningless if that "1" detonates in a major city.Let's not repeat the mistake of downplaying previous dictator's stated intentions.
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Whats strange is that it is only America that seems to be constantly at war, and rationally no doubt.
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