Well, it's time to get this out in the open.

"Much of what Horowitz does involves painting Islam in the most despicable possible light."

OK, but is it the truth?

Certain power groups long ago claimed that nationalism was the cause of all wars. They have been working tirelessly to destroy nationalism. Immigration has been a very useful tool. Germany has come out and said that multi-kulti just does NOT work.

10% of the French population in muslim. 25% of all births are muslim. They are from different countries and ethnicities BUT, they identify by "muslim" not so much by national origin.

On-the-ground-reality dictates that a country must have a certain amount of cohesiveness.

Maybe the country should just dissolve to small groups. But, while they are a country, they must have some level of cohesiveness. They must patronize some kind of national identity. If they don't, the immigrants will NOT work for the betterment of the host country. They will just be leeches,,, or criminals.

Ireland and Canada can serve as examples. A certain percentage identified by language or religion BEFORE they identified by country. Quebec wants to secede. We all know what happened to Ireland during the "Troubles'.

The muslims in France have no particular identification with the French. They live in their own areas and will riot if French police enter "their" areas. There are 750 areas in France where the police are not allowed.

There is NO POSSIBLE justification for automatic violence just because police show up.

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A couple of years ago, islamic kids in France rioted and burned because they couldn't find jobs. They didn't riot because they were being attacked or something like that. They rioted because France didn't provide them with employment.

2 weeks ago I got calls from Paris from 2 young girls that I had raised. They told me that there was a guy outside their hotel room with a club, waiting for them to leave the room. The guy at the front desk kept calling and telling them to come down to the desk,,, someone was there to see them. I told them to barricade the door. I called the Paris police and they eventually arrested the guys.

The next evening, they were followed every time that they tried to leave a cafe. They spent 2 nights sleeping at the police station. They were eventually escorted to their hotel room and then personally put on a train to ensure that they got out of the country safely. They were warned NOT to go to Paris by their sister who came very close to being kidnapped when she went to Paris a couple years earlier.

I've been to several muslim countries. They had a societal structure that worked OK.

It seems that people are OK until they are cut loose from the strictures of their accustomed society. Muslim immigrants seem to be particularly bad in this area.

You can decry my attitude but, you can't argue the crime statistics from around the world in transplanted muslim populations.

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Reply from The Daily Bell

So you think that one religion creates more criminals than another. OK. We don't.

The hoary old "generation before family" sword of the powers-that-be cuts both ways. It cons youth into ignoring the very people who care most passionately about youth's well being. The "generation before family" meme ridicules the older, wiser members of one's own family. Meanwhile, it cons the old into believing that youth is a disrespectful lazy moocher.

@Danny B

The non-assimilated French Muslims you describe seem tailor made for the new world order.

Matt Taibbi sees a "stateless global archipelago of privilege" in our future. A conflict "between people who live somewhere, and people who live nowhere."

Obama politically hails from Chicago. As much as any guy born in Hawaii to a Kenyan father and raised in Indonesia "hails from Chicago."

Romney politically hails from Massachusetts. As much as any guy born in Detroit with Mexican grandparents and roots in Salt Lake City "hails from Massachusetts."

Danny B on 10/12/12 11:56 AM:

"Germany has come out and said that multi-kulti just does NOT work."

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"Germany" did no such thing. Angela Merkel did. Please do not equate ...

@Danny B
"Certain power groups long ago claimed that nationalism was the cause of all wars." Nationalism is not the cause of wars. Nationalism is used by the ones who cause wars as a religious like creed to gain support of the masses. Wars cause only pain and destruction of wealth and lives to all warring nations, both losing and winning ones.

Since through rational argumentation it is impossible to conclude that a war can ever be positive to the tax payers (who will in the end pay for it, sooner or later, with their money or with their lives), nation leaders choose religious arguments, which cannot be argued against, only opposed. Nationalism is in this sense a religion like any other (with symbols, rituals, myths, and so on).

Nationalism of any kind is not only necessary for the justification of wars, but also for the justification of government.

"But, while they are a country, they must have some level of cohesiveness. They must patronize some kind of national identity. If they don't, the immigrants will NOT work for the betterment of the host country. They will just be leeches,,, or criminals." I disagree. I identify the qualities of leech and criminal with governments. That's their main business after all. Social cohesiveness cannot be achieved through legislation. Communities develop it, or don't. It's an organic process along geography and time. Governments can only aspire to impose a state of apparent cohesiveness through their coercive means. But that is not real cohesion, as French government can see, only submission. As long as there is submission, that will be fine for a government, and they will call it social cohesion.

"They rioted because France didn't provide them with employment." The religious propaganda of government good will has worked. Now they expect government to create jobs. People, not government, create jobs. By the way, France, as used here, does not even exist. It's just a mental construction. There is a piece of land, which you may call France, that is all. And there's people living there. Media constantly phrase things like "France did this, Germany did that". Pieces of land don't do anything. This confusion is intentional (most journalists probably don't even realize), is part of the religious state propaganda designed to fool the masses. You see it works rather well.

"OK, but is it the truth?"
Horowitz may sometimes say something true (stopped clock syndrome), but should never be given the benefit of doubt. "Ex-communist", turned neocon in support of nationalism anywhere? Please! I'd trade any of our dual-nationals for 50 of the worst muzzies to be found.

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Daily Bail? What the hail? (good article though - evidently Ron Paul is still good for getting clicks)

Extremely Educational... .If the Europeans didn't send all their 'Elderly' to nursing homes, and drug them with poisonous pharmecuticals, besides all the toxic, killing vaccinations,
they may very well could have KEPT their IDENTITIES by keeping their parents and grandparents alive and at home to perpetrate their history and integrity of lineage. But we are all human and subject to mistakes.. we all must learn from this before it is too late and bravo to the French... I hope many people in my country, America can learn from the French at this point... Thank You!!!

interesting, apparently the DB idn't approve of my post & deleted it instead.

Reply from The Daily Bell

We updated the article and thank you for your insights.

Thanks for bringing this up. Before I was into the first paragraphs I was mumbling to myself... "oh! flower power, hippies, Laurel Canyon, Black Panthers. Not again?" Now the average Frenchman is no fool. So probably he'll see through this meme and laugh it out of town. But still... the nerve of them. Next thing they'll do is revive the chanting of "All we are saying, is give peace a chance" at youth rallies.

And what about the last 2000years history of all kinds of religiouse wars, conquers and plunderings, massacres and large scale criminal ethnic cleansing with vanishing of full civilisations all of this in the name of some kind of lunacy about one God or another.

This is not a historycal crime !!??

Islam is the most militant religion and after the Christanity the most agressive.
Agression means for sure: crime !

The Bell makes a good point. When is it culture,,, when is it religion,,, when is it ethnicity? When is it none-of-the-above? It's impossible not to generalize. Everywhere that you look, you see people who turn their back on productive society and decide to attack it in one way or another.
My point is; MENA expats have an exceedingly high crime rate. France needs to bring the army into Marseilles because the police can't possibly do it.
And what do the French authorities do;
"European leaders are creating 'programs' to teach business owners their obligation to hire Muslims"
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Why should people tolerate these kinds of problems, regardless if they're caused by religion, ethnicity, national origin or just plain hate.
"Although many will try and deny it, a low intensity civil war began in France in the Muslim riots of 2005, in the Muslim riots of 2012, French police officers are being shot by the perpetrators."
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"We are the generation who get killed for glancing at the wrong person, for refusing someone a cigarette, or having an "attitude" that annoys someone."
I don't blame the French at all.

Polygamy and welfare is keeping a lot of people from MENA fat and happy. They don't want it to end.
"A report by Soeren Kern ('Muslim Voters change Europe') shows that Muslim votes were the deciding factor propelling François Hollande into the presidency of France. The Muslim vote split 93-7 for Hollande,"

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Yup,, and what do you think is going to happen when the lefties bankrupt France?

It's not just France;
"immigration, of which Muslims comprise a significant part, "costs Sweden at least 40 to 50 billion Swedish kroner [approximately $7 billion] every year … and has greatly contributed to bringing the Swedish welfare state to the brink of bankruptcy."
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It's going to get messey.

Brilliant analysis!

The intelligence agencies' fingerprints are all over (1) the hippie movement (thanks David McGowan for the Lauel Canyon series Click to view link (2) the Occupy Wallstreet movement; (3) Kony 2012; (4) the Muslim uprisings across the world; (5) the French Identity Generation; (6) Wikileaks; (7) the pseudo-anarchists (i.e., cops dressed in black); (8) Anonymous; (9) the Tea Party; and so forth.

Seems like the intelligence agencies really enjoy using the pincer strategy method.

I imagine the elite will organize a few more "spontaneous" uprisings across the world as they continue their plans of world enslavement. Hopefully, the true opposition will stay clear of the manufactured ones.

As a professional translator I feel compelled to point out a mistranslation:
In "... a social system so generous with strangers it becomes unsustainable for our own people," "strangers" should be "foreigners." The word in French is the same for both - "étrangers" - but in this context the meaning is clearly that the government is being very generous with foreigners using the French taxpayer's money. Whew! Now that I've got that off my chest, I have to say that this article evokes mixed reactions. I have, frankly, little trouble believing that this "manifesto" accurately represents the frustration and fear felt by many Europeans of all ages and classes. It could of course have been formulated and issued by an élite entity, but how it fares "out there" will still depend on how well it articulates what ordinary citizens are actually feeling. That militant Islam is a threat to freedom strikes me as so obvious as to hardly be worth discussing. Who may or may not be egging on the participants in the conflict is quite irrelevant. The militants exist; their program exists; their victims are justified in their mistrust.

Congrats, Daily Bell-You have reached new heights of debunkery artistry!

"Manufactured entity"--a wonderfully descriptive phrase.
(Quite!!!!)

Remember when Germany pushed so hard for a National Identity? Remember Vendee?

"So you think that one religion creates more criminals than another. OK. We don't. '

Hmmm, I believe that Christians are falling behind in the killing game in recent times. The jewish bankers and the Cheka did a bloody marvelous job in Russia and the Ukraine.

Around 50 million.

Our dual-citizen D.C. killers will have to work very hard to get close to those numbers.

The provocation of Islamic countries has done a big boost to the non-Islamic death count.

In modern times, I believe that the Christians are way off their game when figures - that there are more than 15,000 madrassas in Pakistan . From a mere 1745 madrassas in 1979, they have proliferated to their present number, with 2,19,000 students in Punjab alone.

The Zia regime in Pakistan and his Islamisation policies to gain legitimacy, the Iranian revolution, the entry of Soviet troops into Afghanistan and the subsequent Afghan 'jihad' against Soviet troops, and Pakistan 's involvement in the Afghan war, were factors that contributed to the sudden growth of madrassas in Pakistan'

"The general perception is that these madrassas have jihadi literature in their curriculum, teach and preach jihad with the main objective of producing 'holy warriors'. This is true, but only some of these madrassas have jihadi and these madrassas,"

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OK, just what are they teaching from the Koran?

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In current times, I believe that the Christians have a lot of catching up to do with Islam. They seem to have wimped out.

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Reply from The Daily Bell

The problem of religion is theocracy not liturgy.

Dbell-

Once again you have pealed back another layer of the onion... As sad one for me though.

As an admirer of Jim Morrison in my capricious youth for his free-spirited, turn the world in on itself attitude, seeing the coincidences of his connections to money power stir feelings of despondency.

Should I be surprised? In an age of the Internet Reformation being identified with anything you took as truth in the previous century only leads to suffering...

All Muslims must be rounded up and deported from all western countries to Saudi Arabia no matter their country of origin.

Muslims are as compatible with humans as cancer is to healthy tissue.

Think of matter/anti matter. There is no possibility of assimilated coexistence.

All Muslims must go!