I see the DB wants more truth, according to their reply to me, below. That's great, DB, but then why didn't you say so; instead, your position sounds like you want PR -- "better communication". If there are agendas not to tell, then communicating OF TRUTH is not what you get ... just bigger cover-up attempts. I was not the only one to hear your request for "better communication" so that ideas of conspiring don't spread, as if you didn't mean truth, if there's a conspiring group, but rather PR to stop the ideas. Anyway, glad you are able to face the reality that some things are provably deep- or para-state lies. Good on you! Let's get to the bottom of this SH event, with whatever we can find.

We just interviewed RON PAUL, G. EDWARD GRIFFIN, CHUCK BALDWIN and STEWART RHODES (founder of Oath Keepers) for our new movie, "MOLON LABE - How the Second Amendment Guarantees America's Freedom". You can watch a clip at
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First Post... but I had to say something about this... In the article you write:

[For instance, a list from one "Clare Kuehn" is circulating around the Internet.

What is interesting is that we cannot find the initial list from Kuehn and the list itself may certainly be disinformation of a sort.]

How hard did you try? While Clare, a real, live, Canadian person, seems to have some ideas that are fairly "out there" she is an academic and does encourage care and rigour in researching these sorts of seemingly manipulated events. But most importantly, she's not at all hard to locate, and presumably if you found her, you could easily ask her about the list your article is based on. I found interviews with her from October this year in 10 seconds, ab initio. Before that I'd never heard her name. Putting her name in double-quotes is interesting, as if you expect that she doesn't exist. Can you elaborate a bit on what you wrote about her, and what you may already know about her? Is she a known disinfo source? If so, why not elaborate?

Of course most of us know that the most effective "well poisoning" disinfo will be from someone whose other information is completely credible and verifiable, so it's good to be skeptical about damn near everything.

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Of course most of us know that the most effective "well poisoning" disinfo will be from someone whose other information is completely credible and verifiable, so it's good to be skeptical about damn near everything.

No need to elaborate. You've made the point yourself.

From Hurricane Sandy to Sandy Hook : lot's of mean sand flying in our faces these days!

The certain thing about Sandy Hook is that a media and official fog like information is making little or no sense in full regalia.

False Flag to bring down the 2nd amendment does seem high on the list as probable motive. The fact that a busy president could put down what ever business he had at hand to shed some dry tears (seemingly both forced and faked) in front of the media over this sort of event is simply cherry topping among the anomalies.

Other frightening spinning ideas are that these "staged events" may also be ritual satanic murders. Sadly such things exist. Nothing new there!

Indeed "evil" seemingly has an interesting physical advantage over "good" : with it one can lie, steal, cheat, rape, pillage, plunder and murder without guilt : These obvious advantages may well hold certain charm for those who live for accumulating wealth and power !

Could this be why the chosen structure moving forward as a world government (the UN) uses a publishing company founded by Alice Bailey called Lucis Trust (after Lucifer)?

Be that as it may and to go out on a limb yet farther, there is a strange unlikely fact seemingly linking both the Aurora and Sandy Hook shootings : both places figure into the new Batman movie "The Dark Knight Rises" (a nicely satanic sounding title) :

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So the 2nd amendment is the reason for this horror story, right? Partly. This case is a pivot case onto attacking something new : it's the first of it's kind to also target the 1st amendment : hey shut up! No more free speech ! That is the subliminal thrust of this little news ditty :

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The sad thing is is that the misinformation is seemingly, as usual these days for such tragic events, strait out of the media and the official story. Yet we are threatened that "if we the people" have information which does not gel with the official information : we are not only spreading lies : but we can "face charges"...

So we have this ugly situation called "Sandy Hook" using children as victims, which is full of "facts" which are contradictory, after a big media production movie magically happens to name both places, being used as a pivot event not only to shoot down the 2nd amendment, but the 1st amendment as well !

So disarm everybody (you may keep you bb guns) : thus trust your security to the Patriot Act (you can tell it is working : right?) and your tearful leaders who protect you... but first notice : these crazed lone killers (the patsies) always use guns : when indeed bombs (sadly not that hard to make it is said) would be so much more destructive (and thus the likely choice "insanity" if guns were banned); but then that just doesn't carry the curious impact of a .223 (the adored number of "Scull and Bones") caliber Bushmaster XM-15 rifle : nor the anti constitutional posh. "Bushmaster?" Ouch!

No less, it is difficult to pull bibles out in support of the American Constitution (indeed, faith tends to be cultural. All religions seem to have their share of good and evil : so no intention here to buy or sell any particular religion) as it was indeed written mostly by Freemasons. Be that as it may, the American Constitution stands as a world class document of the highest pro human standards, based in reason and a deep opposition to tyranny. It is in our interest to defend it. As such, choice of religion (at least one which do not ritually kill people) is a matter of free choice, as it should be.

When governments expand, thus become top heavy, eventually that top is going to fall on people's heads : in the form of high taxes (to pay for it's wars or debts), absolute control and that spells tyranny. Ask any tyrant if he want's his people armed. He'll say no. He'd also like to keep people silent : people in a controlled society are not permitted to think : they are forced to work and serve the state. This is the nature of control. Top side power is control. "Programs".

The unique quality in the American constitution is it's bottom up structure. This is under full attack! This bottom up structure is why individuals have a right to own arms : to protect themselves, themselves. Notice the media blames arms, but does not blame the media it's self! It routinely programs violence on t.v. as the norm, while good lord if a naked body is seen! That would be awful! So indeed : Ban a few violent t.v. shows! Movies! That, if indeed the "lone nut case" theory is to be dumped on us, thus believed (as it will be by the gullible mob); ask : What gave that lone nut case the idea in the first place that violence is so cool?

Our tearful leaders have bombed innocent people all around the globe killing far more than the supposed terrorists they so love to hunt down and shoot with out trial. Kill first, enquire later, with supplied one sided answers... and Don't question the official statement because soon they may arrest you for doing that !

And Yo James Jaeger... you might start thinking about a sequel to your film about the 2nd Amendment as now the 1st
Amendment has come into play !

The person who made this list is simply pointing out the inconsistencies. They are not drawing any conclusiohns. They are compiling a list and it is a very good list and everything on it is an accurately recorded inconsistency. To suggest that this is "disinformation" is ridiculous. I cannot help but notice that when anyone takes the trouble and makes a painstaking effort like this one, they are invariable called disinformation agents.

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@Dotti

Here are more "takes" on the Sandy Hook shootings from PCR, Oathkeepers, and Arthur Silber --

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JQP

@ cat writer

Definitely not a mental health problem.

We are stuck in a Brave New 1984 that is trying to go World wide.

The only mental health problem is our sociopath controlers.

The Daily Bell Asks: "The most effective step that can immediately be taken in the US to stop the shooting massacres is ... "

I didn't vote because I believe the answer is "none of the above".

The most effective step IMHO is to unmask those that are really responsible for these massacres, which are clearly not the ones that are accused by the power elite controlled media as being the perpetrators. This unmasking is not a trivial pursuit. Some very powerful people are likely be involved. These killings have the signature of being political in nature, i.e. a means of turning the mass of public opinion in another direction.

@Seer. I won't evaluate all your accusations, but I cannot accept that support for real money, i.e., gold/slver, is not virtuous

Here is a link to another conspiracy.

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Sorry, Seer, you can't spread those lies here.

What ccuthbert says makes sense to me. As does jfranz17.

I'd like to see more feedback.

BTW, I grew up a few miles from the town of Cuthbert, Georgia.

If these two points ALONE are correct:

1. parents were not allowed to see their dead children and 2. the kill to injury rate was so astronomically high,

then it would be very clear that this is a false flag. Now throw in that fat cop threatening people on facebook, of all things, and the situation is gettng pretty obvious.

I want to see the subpoena, scheduled dates, or any evidence that both fathers were to testify in LIBOR. Also, what connection does FICO (the employer of Holmes' father) and GE Capital (where Lanza's father works) have with the LIBOR scandal, where member banks of the British Bankers Association collude to rig the average interest rate paid by banks on inter-bank lending. This was lazy at best.

We have angered HaShem, as we have gone after gods which our ancestors did not know. We have followed false doctrines of man, as found in the new testament/kaballah/talmud/buddhist/islamic books, and we have kindled the Almighty's fury against us, and he will pour it upon us until we again follow his decrees. Until we do, we will be given into the hands of these gnostic luciferians, these "mighty hunters in the face of G-d".

I would rate this 0 if possible due to the obvious distortions and outright false statements. Perhaps this is due to when this was actually written but it was dated Dec. 18 and published reports published yesterday conflict with his story, also I suspect no parent would bury a child without first seeing the corpse. There have been several funerals to date. The surviving teachers will provide some answers and have we have seen, several early reports were wrong: 1) mother was Not a teacher 2) shooter was misidentified etc. To put a conspiracy bend so early on rumor and innuendo is worse than yellow journalism is my opinion and the sheepee who buy into this need to wake up.

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Hey,thanks for straightening us out, Seer. WACO was an accident, Randy Weaver was a miscalculation, Oklahoma City was the result of a lone bomber, Columbine required only two shooters to plant what may have been 50 knapsacks with bombs and now Sandy Hook, too, is exactly what it appears to be. Nothing to see here. Move along. You sure do "see." What it is you're trying to communicate is a different story ...

@Cat Writer and Theodorej

I agree to a great extent with what you both say. I have not watched all the coverage because it seemed so self-serving for the anti-gun lobby. There is the wallowing in self pity and the aggressive need to take away guns.

However, I have been struck that in no case that I have observed that the video games played by so many of our youth--and adults, as well--are so totally violent. It would seem that they are an emotional boot camp for anyone who is just a bit disturbed to go to a higher level, then a higher level yet, ascending into the mindset of the games themselves.

I know Cat Writer tends to paint with a broad brush when it comes to Americans, but we are not ALL what the media paints.

I was not previously aware of this "debate" over facts surrounding the Sandy Hook incident and thank DB and feedbackers for providing me a background. I, like most Americans, I think, accepted the media explanation of the events, but refused to accept that by giving up our guns, we could insure the safety of all our children everywhere.

Thanks DB and all.

@ The Cat writer ... .. Mental illness is a very broad brush to use on an entire nation and I must say that those who espouse this are living in glass houses... Let us not forget that a lot of what is going on in the USA is a result of of our stupid government wanting to emulate the failed socialism of Europe... . America has a problem with violence and starts with the crap we call music,the crap we consider entertainment and let me not forget the crap that produces it... This country has lost its moral compass because of the way we think and the selfishness it embraces... . We have an entire generation that do not have a clear definition of what is right and what is wrong... . I might add that this is extremely dangerous and does not bode well for our future... .

Once again a conspiracy emerges as a result of the lack of a forth right and honest assessment of the tragedy,this has been the case repeatedly... .. At this point the political hacks that want to disarm America are in over drive... It is because the American people have such a short attention span and want to hear Smooth things, this tragedy will go down as yet another reason to ban guns... . In reality what needs to be banned is the lack of honesty in government along with its willing accomplice the main stream media... .With the kind of people we have in government and with a serious emphasis on their character ,it would behoove the American people to rethink any idea they might have of bestowing the absolute authority they would be giving this ILK by surrendering your right to bare arms... Let us not forget that this is the same bunch that will fully and knowingly sold weapons to the Mexican Drug Cartels... . BE ADVISED AMERICA!!!

The word on the (international) street, judging from discussions with friends and family outside of the USA:

America does NOT have a gun problem. It has a mental health problem.

I have written as much here.