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So Deep an Evil?
Imagine you are Ben Bernanke, or on the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve. The time frame is July and August of 2011 and the price of gold is on a tear. Commodities inflation has been persistent and is breaking out everywhere. Your prediction that inflation "is contained" and is a "temporary phenomena" are beginning to look absurd. What do you do? Simple. Hint that QE3, the primary drive of inflation, is coming and then fail to deliver at the September FOMC meeting. That takes care of the price of gold and the gold stocks. Ah, but those pesky commodities speculators keep making money and trading against what you want the markets to do. So what is to be done there? Hey Jon Corzine, how about you tank the largest broker for the small commodities punters in the world, and we let them twist in the wind? That will serve them right. Teach them to bet against the government approved scenario. – ZeroHedge
Dominant Social Theme: These are terrible tragedies and no one can help them.
Free-Market Analysis: In our wanderings around the Blogosphere (and 'Net-iverse), it's become clearer and clearer to us that we live in a kind of matrix beyond our immediate control or perception. All we can do, like blind men, is to continue to make out the shape of the elephant as best we can. Numerous, repetitious touches are best.
That's why were attracted to this article over at ZeroHedge. We have noticed recent changes in the dialogue. ZeroHedge seems to be running articles along the lines of what we could call directed history, and so is LewRockwell. This is good.
And this is a good speculation (see excerpt above), as well, even If it is not true. The idea is that Jon Corzine, who has held high elite-banking positions, conducted a kind of sting of small gold buyers. By reducing MF Global to rubble, the elites also wiped out thousands of small commodities traders.
It is these traders that help force the issue regarding gold prices. Without them the price becomes easier to manipulate. Why would the powers-that-be do such a thing? A recent DB editorial explained the motivation in blunt detail:
The powers that be HATE gold. Money Power is derived from the central bank printing press. The idea that people on their own can go out and dig up money out of the earth means that the people STILL have the opportunity to better themselves independently of the power elite.
This is very hard to tolerate if you are trying to set up a regime to rule the world, as the Anglosphere elite apparently wants to do. If people can still get wealthy independently then you don't have TOTAL control. And total control is what Money Power seeks, or so it surely seems.
For this reason, the powers-that-be do everything they can to manipulate and squash the price of gold. This is why fiat money bulls are likely longer by years and decades than precious metals bulls. The elites drag out the fiat bull markets as long as they can.
This is a clever scenario and gives rise to other power-elite speculations as well. First, we would conclude, within the context of this speculation, that Corzine is nothing more than a kind of elite errand boy, for no honcho would put himself into such legal jeopardy.
This would confirm what we've written previously, that those who reach even the top rungs of Wall Street are nothing more than the clerical help for the REAL power elite that controls central banking itself and is planning the ongoing manipulations leading to world government. Corzine was the head of Goldman Sachs and a former governor of New Jersey.
Second, and more importantly, this sort of speculation reinforces how the power elite conspiracy may really work – by utilizing the leader but not followers. In other words, it's only necessary to have an alliance with the top person within the conspiratorial context. This is necessary, in fact, because the rest of those involved have to believe in their own cause.
Anglosphere elites, for instance, could have had relationships with Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin (history shows they did) but the relationships did not extend further down. This is how directed history can take place without it becoming known to a wide-ranging group of people. Only the leader need know that he is in cahoots with the enemy and that the results are pre-arranged.
Continuing this speculation, we can conclude that it is only a very small group of people that have the clout to control the world. How small? Take a look at this, excerpted from an article entitled "Stalin, his father and the Rabbit" in the New Statesman, by Simon Sebag Montefiore:
Among the ... staff at Stalin's villas was an experienced and trusted cook who rather extraordinarily had served Rasputin and Lenin, and now cooked for Stalin, too. This was President Vladimir Putin's grandfather. Given that he cooked for Rasputin, Lenin and Stalin, he is surely the most world-historical chef of modern times. When he was running for president in 2000, Putin proudly revealed the connection but said that his grandfather, a loyal Chekist to the last, had never yielded any secrets of his remarkable career.
We've tried to explain (over and over) recently that the power elite is likely run like a mafia, not a religion. Those involved work closely with each other and the shape of their relationship reminds us of a cartel as well. You can see some of our articles on this issue here:
Yes, they are very close and they hold power tightly. It's come out recently, for instance, that the USSR was not only funded by the power elite, but likely managed by it, too. Supposedly, Hitler made unexpected trips to see Stalin. Could the whole war have been, in a sense, staged?
World War I surely gives rise to these suppositions. And certainly Yalta, with its good-cop/bad cop scenario (with Churchill in the middle) strikes as more and more ludicrous. The whole idea is to manufacture enemies and thus create more control over middle classes. The great Austrian academic Murray Rothbard had his doubts about the "Cold War" and we can certainly see why.
Virtually everything in the 20th century may have been a kind of hoax, we've decided, from the phony wars, to the Cold War itself, to the various recessions and depressions and the "isms" that people fought over – all of it part of directed history, designed to create a thesis, antithesis and finally, a synthesis.
The Anglosphere power elite wants global government. It's that simple. To get the job done, maximum chaos is to be created via economic depression, famine, wars and other tools of destruction. And then, of course, out of such chaos will come ... order. A new world order.
This latest one-world conspiracy is an old one, relatively speaking. It's been ongoing for a century – or maybe three – but it certainly picked up energy in the 20th century when the elites truly controlled all media. The boldness of the lies, when you examine them, is symptomatic of the arrogance. It is sociopathic. They do as they want, when they want, where they want. Human history is simply stuff to mould.
We were, for instance, always suspicious of how the USSR tumbled so quickly. We're told the system spent itself into oblivion. Funny thing, North Korea is still around. From our point of view, it looks like the plug was pulled quite intentionally on the USSR. We don't understand how it failed anymore than we understand how World War II got started or why the US Fed felt it necessary to inflate illegally in the Roaring Twenties.
For the above reasons, we're perfectly able to entertain the possibility that Corzine participated in this sort of sting. Sure it sounds "far out" – but not much farther out than a skinny guy in a turban living in a cave and organizing a take-down of prime US real estate.
If someone told you that the US and NATO would be involved in seven or eight regional wars simultaneously, would you have believed him? Or that the president of the United States refused to open up any of his records to domestic journalists? Or that a sympathetic hit movie would be built around the tortured gayness of FBI founder J. Edgar Hoover?
Strange things are happening. The Internet Reformation is forcing power elite "limited hangouts" more and more. The trouble with this strategy is that the more that is revealed, the more people want to know.
And gradually the cynicism builds along with evidentiary patterns. That may be the stage we're at now, where responsible alternative 'Net media can make the gravest accusations without straining the credulity of its many, increasingly informed readers.
Conclusion: The Corzine accusation at ZeroHedge (true or not) seems to us a kind of proof of this. If it is, then ... watch out! Even stranger and more exciting times lie ahead as the greatest conspiracy of them all – to create a one-world government – begins to unravel.
Posted by rossbcan on 11/21/11 02:50 PM
DB: "So Deep an Evil"
Since the REAL definition of evil (live spelt backwards - anti-life) is embedded in our very language, is it any surprise that our collective predators (morally, cannibals, sucking and feeding on the lives of the productive) are, by word and deed, EVIL?
DB: "it's only necessary to have an alliance with the top person within the conspiratorial context."
Which is why elites will utterly OPPOSE and, damn the cost (to others) to squash any assaults on THEIR forcefully coerced / imposed hiearchical (top down control) organization as is currently occuring with the ad-hoc, peer to peer organizational opportunities offered by the internet:
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Hirachical organization CANNOT function, apart from providing opportunities to subvert / control / blackmail / threaten the hiarchical "choosers" in order to profit and, have the lower level hiarchical peons blindly follow (or, be unemployed, sans perks) their hiarchical "masters".
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This is actually a very good point. Without hiearchical authority, the elites' apparent methodology of control would not be viable.
Posted by David_Robertson on 11/21/11 04:09 PM
DB "This is actually a very good point. Without hiearchical authority, the elites' apparent methodology of control would not be viable."
This is why I was surprised that you said "We've tried to explain (over and over) recently that the power elite is likely run like a mafia, not a religion."
Religion is organised as an hierarchy, the root of the word being the rule of the priesthood. This is brought out very clearly in the Thrive movie which I thought you might be alluding to in the article.
This also supports your assertion that I largely agree with that the adherents of a religion or a secret society are unlikely to be privy to the thoughts and actions of those higher up the hierarchy.
As to the overall theme of the article I was thinking along the same lines just two days ago in the context of how most people are caught up in supporting just one of the opposing forces in a contest without realising that the powers at the top have arranged it that way.
This was particularly true of the Yalta conference as you have pointed out where the US was in possession of the ultimate weapon yet allowed Stalin to dictate the post WWII shape of Europe. This could only have been possible if they were both acting on the orders of higher authorities who wished to create a post war tension leading to the Cold War in which they could militarise and supply both sides and provide the rationale for the many post WWII regional conflicts in order to maintain a condition of global instability.
It is of course both diabolical and perfectly logical given their goal of world domination and their known modus operandi of creating chaos to bring forth order. Their Achilles heel is that they fear one another as well as the people and will eventually reach a point of annihilating themselves for this reason. Fear and hatred eventually lead to madness and self immolation.
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Very good points about Yalta ... How much of the Cold War was a "meme?"
Posted by dotti on 11/21/11 04:28 PM
Thanks DB for presenting the other side of reality.
As I watched the clip of Gerald Celente, it occurred to me that there may be more to the MF Global thing than meets the eye. I did not immediately imagine that the entire collapse was orchestrated--although now I see that as a possibility--but I did think that there may have been a bargain (with the devil) that would influence markets. How many contracts, like Celente's, got liquidated?
And I think that the markets showed signs of manipulation today as well.
It disgusts me.
Posted by gamma ray on 11/21/11 06:59 PM
Great article DB! Thanks for the late afternoon boost.
Regarding the USSR/Russia. One of my early epiphanies that what I was reading in the newspapers didn't even come close to explaining modern history was the admission by Brezinski that the U.S. funded and developed Al Qaeda was used to draw the USSR into the morasss of Afghanistan. On the heels of this news, I read the very reasonable speculation that the last straw catalyzing the final economic wipeout of Russia was the power elite strategy of directing Saudi Arabia to increase oil production thus collapsing the price of oil and choking off the major revenue source for Brzezinski's nemesis. No doubt there are hidden tendrils and deeper layers to be unearthed in these intrigues as well.
Posted by jp1110107 on 11/21/11 09:41 PM
21 NOVEMBER 2011
Jesse's Café Américain
Tavakoli: MF Global Revelations Keep Getting Worse
MF Global is one of the most outrageous and brazen abuses of customers by Wall Street that I have ever seen.
That is it receiving so little attention by the mass media shows the extreme moral hazard in which the average American unsuspectingly operates.
And yet as bad as it is, the cover up, which is still under way, may be worse in its eventual effects, and bring down careers, some market organizations, and perhaps even members of the government.
But that may take some time, because the US is caught in a credibility trap in which the truth is an orphan, and genuine investigation and reform is not likely to happen without a significant effort for political change.
MF Global Revelations Keep Getting Worse
By Janet Tavakoli
November 21, 2011
When MF Global collapsed on October 21, it was the biggest financial firm to collapse since Lehman in September 2008. Then Chairman and CEO Jon Corzine is connected to the head of one of his key regulators, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC), through his former protégé at Goldman Sachs, Gary Gensler. He also knows the Fed's William Dudley, a key member of the Fed's Open Market Committee, from their days at Goldman Sachs. The Fed approved MF Global's status as a primary dealer, a participant in the Fed's Open Market Operations, just before Jon Corzine took its helm and beached it on a reef called leveraged credit risk.
MF Global's officers admitted to federal regulators that before the collapse, the firm diverted cash from customers' accounts that were supposed to be segregated:
MF Global Holdings LTD. 'violated requirements that it keep clients' collateral separate from its own accounts…Craig Donohue, CME Group's chief executive officer, said on a conference call with analysts today that MF Global isn't in compliance with the rules of the exchange and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission.'
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MF Global Debacle Damages a Key Global Market
The 'risk wizards' of Goldman Sachs once again look like market wrecking balls. The futures market is a globally connected market and it is a key mechanism for farmers, metals miners, and metals fabricators (among others) to hedge their risk. Confidence in the futures market has been shaken. No one knows if their money is safe, but what is more disturbing is the appearance of crony capitalism once again giving favored treatment, lax regulation, and absent oversight to a crony capitalist that abused all of these perks to blow up a large financial firm and damage a key global market.
Janet Tavakoli is the president of Tavakoli Structured Finance, a Chicago-based firm that provides consulting to financial institutions and institutional investors. Ms. Tavakoli has more than 20 years of experience in senior investment banking positions, trading, structuring and marketing structured financial products. ...
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Posted by tawny on 11/21/11 11:26 PM
I agree with you so often that you are going to think I am just a cheerleader or a 'fan', cheering whatever you say - but seriously, I was thinking Yes, yes, yes! as I read this. My conclusions have been the same, but my own innocence was not demolished overnight.
Re wars being planned - for one thing, wars are good for business, wars put states of emergency into effect, giving govt. virtually unlimite powers (which all too often are never relinquished), wars make people scared, they regress, become more childlike, want papa-figure leaders to 'make it all better'- and this is just off the top of my head.
Govt.s being more like organized crime than any other organized system - yes I have concluded the same thing. In fact at this point the govt. and CIA and organized crime (Mafia, etc.) are deeply in cahoots. Running the illegal drug trade together for one thing. (keeping it illegal keeps the profitability about 20 times higher - and the competition can be jailed.)
About how evil men are these days... . well they are as evil as they have always been. We are led to believe that the days of the Roman Emperors and the Borgias etc. are past, we are more 'civilized' and 'enlightened' these days, certainly our august leaders are... but that is just a bunch of carefully crafted PR, because human nature has not changed one whit, and the guys who make it to the top are very very ambitious and lacking in conscience, and just get more so as they are longer in the game.
The founding fathers basically knew all this.
There is a good deal of talk these days of the elites being narcissistic and sociopathic, and I think there is a good deal of truth in that. For one thing a lot of them used recreational drugs and alcohol, and that use can make one into a narcissist/sociopath if one was not already. (Source - How to Spot Hidden Alcoholics, by Doug Thorburn.) There are so many books about govt. top men being deeply into drugs - Barry and the Boys; Compromised; The Politics of Heroin - just off the top of my head.
Yes govt. today is not 'like' organized crime - it IS organized crime.
Posted by spekulatn on 11/22/11 12:03 AM
Outstanding post, jp1110107. Always a good read, Ms. Tavakoli be.
Once again DB staff has put up a eye-opening piece. Thank you all.
Posted by Danny B on 11/22/11 12:44 AM
Nobody should dismiss the writings of Pastor Williams. His track record is quite good. A recent revelation is that the "Group" is going to crash the Euro and then shortly afterwards,,, crash the dollar. This is one faction.
Then, we see that the IMF wants to supply liquidity to European countries that are
short of liquidity because Germany won't print. The IMF is trying to do an end-run around the ECB or perhaps, the BIS. Just the same, the FRN / IMF faction is trying to preserve the dollar. Another faction.
Then we see israel is in a panic because America may very well crash before it can completely trash israel's potential enemies. Libya was a rush-job. The drums of war are at a fever pitch to try to light up Iran ASAP. But, now Russia comes in to look out for Syria. Tel Aviv must be completely panicked at the idea of any postponements in the trashing of Syria. Iran can't be attacked near so confidently if Syria is alive and kicking... Especially with Russia in the picture.
One would expect the London bankers to be supporting the dollar until MENA is ablaze.
But then there is the financial problem in dollar-land. How long can the London bankers keep the wolves at bay [to trash Iran] when the U.S. economy is disintegrating ?
Once Americans discover the severity of the crash, they won't want to spend a penny for israel's wars. Here's a quote that shows the severity of the financial situation;
"I met privately on Tuesday with Senator Rob Portman of Ohio, who is on the 'Super
Committee.' I really do like his thoughtful approach and am impressed with his knowledge of spending and the deficit. Then again, he was head of the Office of Management and Budget, so he spent years involved in the issues and numbers. I must confess that what I saw was not encouraging. There just is not a lot of progress.
Portman gets that we need to cut about $1.2 trillion ANNUALLY from the deficit"
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OK, so big surprise. Things are FAR worse than we've been LEAD to believe. Seems that we're always being LEAD.
Martin Armstrong says that there is no will to address the crisis. That I can believe.
He says that nobody will risk their political future. They'll let it crash and then pick up the pieces. That way, nobody will be to blame.
So, we have a do-nothing faction.
Another faction is the "markets". GOV proposes,,, the markets dispose. Bernanke does NOT set the rates. He follows the markets. You see the same thing with the ECB. The markets take the CBs to the cleaners. The CBs managed to get the market to agree to "voluntary" haircuts to avoid setting off the default on the CDSs. I seriously doubt that GOV can pull that one off for very long.
So, at the moment, the "market" is a dollar supporter.
The Euro faction seems to be out of the game.
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The dollar supporters seem to have the upper hand at the moment.
There is a great need for a Causus Belli to get the war with Iran fired up before the dollar collapse. I suspect that this potential war will be quite ugly. israel will use neutron bombs because they can't get in any other way. Iran has an Exocet factory and they can launch 11,000 missiles a minute. They also have the Sunburst missile that the Pentagon claims can take out our entire navy.
Iran just needs to sink a few tankers and the insurance companies will close the Straights of Hormuz. Next, the 20,000 light SAMs that disappeared from Libya will also be used to close the Vail of Tears. That should make for a bit of an oil shortage.
Armstrong says that the final collapse of U.S. GOV will be Sept of 2012.
Different factions pulling different directions.
Posted by amanfromMars on 11/22/11 12:49 AM
Let's get one thing straight, tawny, and right out there and into the open for all to see and hear and comprehend ... .
Wars are catastrophic for business, and not least because of what you shared in the paragraph ... .. "Re wars being planned - for one thing, wars are good for business, wars put states of emergency into effect, giving govt. virtually unlimite powers (which all too often are never relinquished), wars make people scared, they regress, become more childlike, want papa-figure leaders to 'make it all better'- and this is just off the top of my head." ... ... and if that was you being sarcastic and/or ironic, well it doesn't work well, for some idiots actually might believe what you say as being true and they derive a great artificial currency profit from it, which impoverishes and disadvantages nations and peoples and inflames psychopathic tendencies in certain other beings who would then seek them out such profiteers for their personal undivided attention/a friendly enough chat if you have nothing to fear because of something you may have done or caused to be done on your say so/watch.
And you might like to review and revise that last paragraph to reflect present actualities and realities, which are surely chaotic and disorganised crimes in govt, which is something a top don crime boss would never allow or support ... . ergo are governments more renegade sub-prime clone operations, squandering and losing everyone's money and creating crippling debts which they owe to the people.
Posted by AlephNull on 11/22/11 05:31 AM
I have always rated Martin Armstrong and believe "His" story rather than that of the MSM , i.e. US Govt. .
Here is an interesting article, probaby not new for people here , but still:
( BTW ... The Usual Suspects are involved )
Former Soviet Dissident Warns For EU Dictatorship
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... . forget the Banksters, they're only carrying out a Political Agenda.
And another one for good measure :
Finally, a Judge Stands up to Wall Street
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Posted by memehunter on 11/22/11 05:39 AM
I wish to add some comments (readers should of course keep in mind that I am mentally ill):
1. DB: 'The powers that be HATE gold.'
I think that this is overly simplistic. The situation is much more complex than that. I invite readers to have a (long) look at FOFOA's blog for a much more detailed explanation of the situation regarding gold, which does incorporate some mind-blowing historical and socio-political perspectives. I will not attempt to summarize his thesis here.
For conspiracy theorists, there are also these two entries on the Realcurrencies Blog:
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The Protocols on Money:
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A passage worth quoting from the latter article:
'The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is not only very enlightening in the sense that it is clear proof of a profound conspiracy. It is also a treasure of wisdom. Because it does not only sketch how to bring down the Goyim States and take over power on a global scale, it also explains in great detail how they plan to manage the world once their King is sitting on the World Throne. And many, many bits of wisdom about enlightened government can be derived of these parts of the Protocols.
The article on gold has led to a lot of reactions. It is clear that the halo of Gold still shines brightly in the eyes of many. This is not surprising. A lof of effort has been put into the Gold narrative by our controllers, who hired sharp thinkers like Ludwig von Mises to support their favorite metal.'
For Abu Aardvark and other skeptics: it does not matter much whether the Protocols are fake or not, and who actually wrote them. For, as Julius Evola so aptly puts it, 'whether or not the controversial Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion are false or authentic does not affect the symptomatic value of the document in question, that is, the fact, that many of the things that have occurred in modern times, having taken place after their publication, effectively agree with the plans assumed in that document, perhaps more than a superficial observer might believe.'
And, yes, I still prefer to save in gold than in any fiat currency, but I keep my eyes open…
2. The Putin/Lenin/Stalin connection is interesting (I note that credit should be given to TimurTheLame for bringing this tidbit to our attention here at DB). However, as David Robertson wrote, I am not sure how the mafia 'hypothesis' is better supported by this tidbit rather than the idea that the top rungs of the elites are actually motivated by long-term teleological orientations based on ideological concerns, which may incorporate a spiritual/religious element. As I wrote at length on other threads, it would seem that there are some important differences between the typical mafia/yakuza/triad organizations and the type of conspiracy aiming for a one-world-government, which operates on a scale of centuries rather than years or decades, and involves a broad reshaping of the cultural, religious, and even scientific spheres.
3. rossbcan: Since the REAL definition of evil (live spelt backwards - anti-life) is embedded in our very language, is it any surprise that our collective predators (morally, cannibals, sucking and feeding on the lives of the productive) are, by word and deed, EVIL?
This only works for English (at least it does not work in the other languages I know), so I personally would not ascribe any cosmic significance to this, even though it is an interesting observation.
4. @ DannyB: very good post. I suspect that you are a FOFOA reader, too, based on some expressions you use in your post. I also see at least two factions, one centered around US/UK, and one centered around the EU. This may seem irrelevant to discussions about gold, currencies, and IMF/ECB/BIS, but I found it very interesting that continental Europe decided to ban the X-ray body scanners used in US airports, while the UK decided to keep using these scanners. Here we see that the same two monetary factions outlined by FOFOA (IMF versus ECB, to put it simplistically) are also on opposite sides regarding the use of body scanners. There may be more than meets the eye here.
Posted by Steve Campbell on 11/22/11 07:35 AM
memehunter writes: As I wrote at length on other threads, it would seem that there are some important differences between the typical mafia/yakuza/triad organizations and the type of conspiracy aiming for a one-world-government, which operates on a scale of centuries rather than years or decades, and involves a broad reshaping of the cultural, religious, and even scientific spheres.
Agreed, but would revise 'centuries' to millennia.
The Truth About the Talmud: A Documented Expose of Supremacist Rabbinic Hate Literature by Michael A. Hoffman II
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Posted by Abu Aardvark on 11/22/11 07:38 AM
DB: "the powers-that-be do everything they can to manipulate and squash the price of gold"
That's right ...
"Ford Library Confirms in Writing the Fed Letter Tying Germany to Gold Price Suppression"
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The declassified memo - particularly page 6 is very interesting:
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Posted by Abu Aardvark on 11/22/11 07:41 AM
DB: "In our wanderings around the Blogosphere (and 'Net-iverse), it's become clearer and clearer to us that we live in a kind of matrix beyond our immediate control or perception"
Well, yes, but the OWS crowd is obviously not supposed to learn about these "conspiracy theories" ...
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Posted by Dilence Sogwood on 11/22/11 08:55 AM
I think that ZH speculation is a little out there, but certainly Corzine royally screwed the pooch with his Italian Sov trade. My best guess is hubris was the root. (Guys who have made it very big have no patience to recreate the details of their sucess). Raising money in the bond market while the ship sank was fraud, and stealing from customers was theft.
If there is a conspiracy, I believe it is a conspiracy to increase regulation. This is far more profitable than just a $1bn of customer money.
Just look at the comments on today's NYT DealBlog article about MF. Everyone is calling for increased regulation. It's hard to argue against regulation unless you really know what you are talking about and have the will to fight the knee-jerk reaction. Politicans will cave.
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Hm-mm ... The NYT is not evidence of anything anymore in our view.
Posted by rossbcan on 11/22/11 09:03 AM
I commented my standard "rule of law" spiel on OWS board (your first link), prefixed by:
"This is an OWS integrity test, fully expect censoring."
@DB: I ordered a copy of Thrive, you will find it interesting that the invoice is from "Receipt for Your Payment to Topspin Media, Inc."
Posted by Dilence Sogwood on 11/22/11 09:04 AM
Ok, so if you think this is all some creation of Albert Pike, why wouldn't we have one world government already? It's a lot of silly nonsense to go through. Why not just declare at Yalta that the US and Russia form the one world government and get on with it?
Posted by Alishep on 11/22/11 09:17 AM
George Soros Trader Involved in Bankrupt Firm Tied to Obama | The ...
MF Global Holdings Ltd., now under FBI investigation, had hired Munir Javeri as Global Head of Trading. ... At the time of Javeri's hiring by MF Global, ...
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Posted by Abu Aardvark on 11/22/11 09:33 AM
DB: "The NYT is not evidence of anything anymore in our view"
Basically I agree, of course, and yet, at times, they got some juicy stuff to offer - like the other day ...
"MR. SCHÄUBLE said the German government would propose treaty changes at the summit of European leaders in Brussels on Dec. 9 that would move Europe closer to the centralized fiscal government that the currency zone has lacked. The ultimate goal, Mr. Schäuble says, is a political union with a European president directly elected by the people.
'What we're now doing with the fiscal union, what I'm describing here, is a short-term step for the currency,' Mr. Schäuble said. 'In a larger context, naturally we need a political union.'
Critics say the spending cuts German leaders have demanded from other countries are hurting growth across the Continent, in the process making debts only harder to repay. And his proposals to give the European Commission far-reaching powers to enforce budgetary discipline have been likened by skeptics in Britain to an invasive new 'super state.' Even some euro supporters fear that Mrs. Merkel and Mr. Schäuble are talking about long-term changes while panicked investors and practiced speculators are tearing the euro to pieces right now.
'There is a limited transition period where we have to manage the nervousness on the markets,' Mr. Schäuble said. 'If it is clear that by the end of 2012 or the middle of 2013 that we have all the ingredients for new, strengthened and deepened political structures together, I think that will work.'
He sees the turmoil as not an obstacle but a necessity. '"WE CAN ONLY ACHIEVE A POLITICAL UNION IF WE HAVE A CRISIS,' Mr. Schäuble said."
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Out of chaos ... order.
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Ha. Very good. Guess it is worth "something."
Posted by reegje on 11/22/11 09:35 AM
Over the weekend I read a very extended research done in 2002 and one of the things I learned in this, that the establishment has been involved in counterfeiting money at the sum of more than 800 billion dollars for the purpose of bringing down countries. Evidently there was also a secret lawsuit filed in Virginia by the 'mastercutters', because they did not get their cut.
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Watch out for Skolnick ...