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WikiLeaks: Clever PsyOps?
WikiLeaks Drop Shows U.S. Striving to Maintain Order in Chaotic Global Relations ... Some of the diplomatic papers stolen from the State Department and leaked Sunday by WikiLeaks show more than just potentially embarrassing revelations about U.S. views of allies but disturbing developments among alleged friends as well as foes and competitive states. The details from the cables being released – among 250,000 illegally taken from secret State Department records – include discussions on the U.S. being unable to stop Syrian arms to Hezbollah, its disappointment in Qatar to stop funding terrorism and hacking by the Chinese government of U.S. computers. Other communiques passed forward by the website to several newspapers also reveal U.S. talk about individual leaders like Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, who the Guardian reported was noted to be "accompanied everywhere by a 'voluptuous blonde' Ukrainian nurse." The Guardian also cites cables that call Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin an "alpha-dog," says Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai is "driven by paranoia" and describes German Chancellor Angela Merkel as one who "avoids risk and is rarely creative." The cables also suggest that the U.S. had sought to use its embassies in the global espionage network. – FOX News
Dominant Social Theme: Julian Assange is a low-life, thieving sexual pervert who has placed US security at risk, endangered the lives of hardworking US bureaucrats, shown us what the Internet really is (a place good only for use by thieving, sexual perverts who want to put the hard-working men and women of the US State Dept at risk.) The Pentagon should immediately tighten its security, refuse further requests for information and draw up plans to bomb Iran.
Free-Market Analysis: Is Julian Assange the rebel-with-a-cause that he makes himself out to be? We gave him the benefit of the doubt for months, and still do, but with less and less certainty. We don't remember when our suspicions became more pronounced, but (credit where credit is due) the ever-sleuthing blogger and Bell feedbacker Lila Rajiva was there before us, believing for one reason or another that Assange was part of a larger disinformation campaign by the powers-that-be.
Now we are not willing to suggest this is a certainty (and maybe Ms. Rajiva is still not certain either.) But every time his WikiLeaks does another one of these data dumps, Assange takes another step backward in our view. Back in July after a massive WikiLeaks "dump" seemed to set a narrative that Pakistan was at fault for the Afghan war, we'd had enough and wrote a fictional narrative in which we imagined two CIA agents coming up with the idea for an Assange-like character. You can read our analysis here: Comes a Blond Stranger.
This latest effort by Assange raises even more doubts so far as we are concerned. First, there is the constant (annoying) advance dissemination of information to the likes of mainstream leftist publications such as the UK Guardian and Le Monde ... and previously to the New York Times. Anyone who believes that the New York Times (or the Guardian for that matter) is not in cahoots with the powers-that-be, has got to be terminally naïve in our opinion. That goes for Assange, too.
Does Assange, for all his apparent cynicism, not get it? He believes that the mainstream media is worth cultivating for his purposes? Apparently, he is fairly sure of their cooperation. Not that Assange puts it that way. There's plenty of information on the Internet about the way the world works. But rather than focus on the mercantilist intrigues of the Anglosphere, which uses the levers of government to advance its own private interests, Assange focuses attention on the government itself with his endless leaks of hundreds of thousands of low-level documents that are somehow "classified."
It's early days and much more is sure to emerge from this latest massive dissemination of raw, "secret" data, but from our point of view the Anglosphere, maybe, doesn't have much to worry about. (We could still be wrong.) Here's the narrative – the COINTELPRO promotion (if that is what is) – as we see it. Below we list the "news" as it pertains to the secret data that's been revealed and then the "result" – which is often favorable to the Anglosphere and its "war on terror" in our humble view ...
• Assange provides various mainstream publications with advance information so they can "break" their stories. RESULT: Wonderful anti-establishment credibility for failing mainstream pubs that are seen more and more as mouthpieces for the elite.
• Information bluntly characterizes foreign leaders and often in a snide or patronizing manner. RESULT: This is terrible for the US diplomatic corp? To get their opinions on world leaders out in an open forum while the foreign leaders themselves have no way to respond? If it is a disinformation campaign, it's a brilliant one.
• The US diplo corps is shown as pleading with allies for more responsibility and less support for terrorism. RESULT: A perception that the Americans seem to be fighting a valiant uphill battle. The world is encouraging terrorism and Foggy Bottom is doing its level best to protect the American people.
• The Chinese are suspected of hacking US computers. RESULT: And how exactly is this a black eye from the Anglosphere's standpoint? The Chinese are "bad guys." This is a negative for the Anglo-American axis how exactly?
• The US is using its embassies for spying. RESULT: The perception that the US is pulling out all the stops to keep its citizens safe from terrorism. Diplomacy is an ugly business, but the US is doing what it needs to do.
• Iran seems to be winning in Iraq, and US diplo and military correspondence seems to indicate that. RESULT: Evidence accumulating that it will be necessary to bomb Iran. In fact, bomb now. Before its leaders can do more damage.
• US allies like Saudi Arabia have been pleading with the US to take out Iran by any means necessary. RESULT: Evidence accumulating that even Islamic countries are alarmed by this crazy, out-of-control-nation Iran. Bomb Iran now! – Before its leaders can do more damage.
• The data being released by Assange is dangerous and his methodology is unforgivable. He is jeopardizing many lives. RESULT: The perception is increasingly clarified that the Internet is a dangerous instrument that must be brought under control so that people like Assange don't abuse it.
• Who is this man, Assange? This blond stranger? His actions are questionable to say the least, and he may be a rapist as well, according to Swedish prosecutors ... RESULT: We begin to see that he is in fact quite obviously and evidently a sexual pervert. This is the sort of riffraff that the Internet attracts. Only a pervert would seek to do this kind of damage to the national security of the US. The Internet attracts perverts of this sort, that seek to use the Internet perversely, causing great damage to national security, embarrassing hard-working bureaucrats, making it difficult for soldiers to kill more Taliban and generally threatening the lives and reputations of those who have supported America's serial wars and quasi-genocidal campaigns at great risk to themselves ...
• These revelations are simply out of control. The US intelligence agencies (all 16 of them) are seeking Assange and are constantly releasing "open letters" to Assange asking him to stop it. RESULT: Where is this massive and feared US intel operation? Where is the evidence of its fiercesome power – all the renditions, all the torture. Doesn't seem so terrible after all. Paper tiger? Pussycat. Nothing to fear here. Heck, nothing to see.
• These revelations must stop. The US government in particular has been very lax about security. But from now on the Pentagon in particular is simply not going to release much information pertaining to its operations at home and abroad. RESULT: Can those in leadership positions at the Pentagon be blamed for acting this way? Sure the Pentagon has been virtually transparent all these years, but now, well ... no more Mr. Nice Guy. The walls are going up. What we can't burn, we're gonna shred. And not a morsel is going to be provided to the press. Hey, what else can we do?
These are just some of the points that we have noticed the mainstream media making. The "results" are not being stated in so many words, but of course they don't have to be. The "data dump" speaks for itself. Of course in the days to follow, maybe we shall be proven wrong and there will be revelations that won't be "embarrassing" but that will actually prove detrimental to the US war-making effort, especially in Afghanistan. (Alternatively, there ARE such revelations, but the mainstream press is simply not covering them; this latter possibility makes certainty regarding WikiLeaks' role harder to define. We will be glad to write a followup article if we begin to believe our current analysis is incorrect, as we do believe the US has been waging unjustifiable wars, creating more enemies for the West and contributing to rising military tensions around the globe.)
Conclusion: But for now these leaks seem to: ridicule diplomats and leaders outside the US; show that the US is not an all-powerful global entity but a paper tiger that cannot even track down Assange; show that the Internet is being employed by perverts like Assange to ruin the credibility of the US and Foggy Bottom's ability to protect US citizens from harm; illustrate clearly a need to go to war with Iran; proffer evidence of China's perfidy in attacking US military/Internet facilities; make the point that US and European mainstream media organizations are "where the action is" when it comes to wholesale revelations of the US military-industrial complex. None of this is bad for the US as we see it, or Assange's intelligence handlers, if that is indeed what is going on.
Editor's Note: Regarding our use of the word "pervert" in this article. We have no idea if the charges against Assange are true. We believe him innocent until proven guilty. State monopoly justice, in which the state pays the prosecutor, the legislators, the judge and the penitentiary keepers means that it is almost impossible to get a fair trial in the West. Our use of the word was intended to show how the powers-that-be, in our view, are demonizing Assange (and the Internet) by smearing him sexually. it is an old trick and one the intelligence agencies inevitably use these days, to play on shame-based instincts, etc. We do not call Mr. Assange a pervert. Anyway, we would never use such language, and thus were putting the word in the mouths of others. It is disgusting and dehumanizing. The mainstream media, unfortunately, uses it all the time, especially in the US.
Further Note: Maybe, as a result of all these releases Assange will be proven to be a courageous and committed man. That would be our hope. Perhaps these releases will incite world opinion to turn more strongly against the US's serial wars and endless "collateral damage" (ongoing killings of women and children in various "theatres of war."). Yes, we wish fervently that the wars will end. They are manipulated wars in our opinion. The US needs to return to its founding Jeffersonian principles and reduce its 1,000 overseas military bases. The military industrial complex needs to be pared back. Will Assange actions help in this regard? That is what we are trying to determine as a publication devoted to tracking the promotion of the power elite and money power generallly. That is the reason for this article ...
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Posted by B.Benhamid on 11/29/10 09:22 AM
Julian Assange of WikiLeaks is probably working for the CIA since he is free like a bird and financially well taken care of.
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Posted by Eddie on 11/29/10 09:15 AM
I would like to put in my 2.5 cents since the dollar is up a bit. Concerning Makow I too have reservations about what he is doing, and it appears that some of the articles of his and others are off-the-wall. I do not think that one can get away with such things unless one is protected, especially in Canada.
Concerning Assange, someone of this nature can not be off-the-reservation unless there is "protection" of some kind.
Then there is Alex Jones-know anything about him?
Parting thoughts: "No more secrets"-dialogue from the movie SNEAKERS. "The way of war is a way of deception"
-Master Sun
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Posted by Traumgeist on 11/29/10 09:01 AM
Perhaps the next thing Wikileaks will do is it's own "UFO Disclosure" since the US military industrial complex has kept this under wraps for many years and the government will not disclose it's UFO files like other countries in the world have. It's all weather balloons and swamp gas for all of us.
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Posted by Lila Rajiva on 11/29/10 09:01 AM
@Timur
Thanks. Initial credit for setting off alarm bells goes to John Young...though he seems to have qualified things after.
@DB
My position is that Assange is (at least partially) a tool. Use, abuse, discard.
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Posted by Bren .Ireland on 11/29/10 08:53 AM
Thanks Krieger.
I only heard of the extent of the Nazis dominence of control of U.S recently & continue to be shocked @ the false history i have been fed with 'til i found out it was a pack of re-written untruths.
This Wiki-leaks! is a nest of serpents.
They'll be saying the 'net 'threatens security & interests 'now' ' .
..and all the BBC are interested is 'inappropriate behaviour' by a royal.
They a sick bunch.The fact royals visiting Saudis is able to be broadcast,- without a torch-burning-mob-marching on 'Palaces' ;for all the Starving of this World is testament to why all this controlled (by Them) media is tottering drastically imho.
A six bill' wedding planned huh ..LOVELY.
They are raiding the Pension funds here in Ireland now & giving to bankers.
Are the people too lazy to march.Incredible it is.
Thanks DB & everyone who writes & cares about what kinda place our Kids are gonna inhabit.
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Posted by Al Kyder on 11/29/10 08:52 AM
Here is an interesting one.
Ramzan Kadyrov, the strongman leader of Chechnya, appears at parties sporting a gold-plated automatic and showers friends with mounds of gold, leaked US diplomatic cables said.
A WikiLeaks publication of a cable sent to Washington by the US deputy chief of mission in Moscow describes a wedding attended by Mr Kadyrov in the Russian North Caucasus republic of Dagestan.
Mr Kadyrov at one point is described dancing "clumsily with his gold-plated automatic stuck down in the back of his jeans".
Both the man of honour, identified as Dagestan Oil Company chief and current parliament member Gadzhi Makhachev, and Mr Kadyrov then "showered the dancing children with hundred dollar bills".
"Gadzhi told us later that Ramzan had brought the happy couple 'a five kilo lump of gold' as his wedding present," the cable says.
Mr Kadyrov enjoys strong Kremlin support as Russia seeks to re-establish control over a republic where it waged two brutal wars in the past 15 years.
He has near-dictatorial powers in Chechnya and is believed to travel around the region in armoured vehicles with scores of bodyguards.
Mr Kadyrov has also been accused of brutality by human rights groups, charges that he has repeatedly denied.
Earlier this month, a Vienna court trying three men over the murder of a Chechen dissident said it wanted to question Mr Kadyrov over his alleged involvement in the crime.
- AFP
That must be to go with his Rolls Royce Silver Phantom.
This Dagestani's have some serious wealth these days. Just the fact that the Americans are watching them speaks volumes here .
Wikileaks is just a site for dumping any data that is classified and not already in the public domain. The users of wikileaks do sometimes hold back data if it is seen as life threatening etc..
If they are being used for a psyop purpose, it has nothing to do with the people who run the site. The only people capable of such a psyop would be Mi6 anyways. There is a legitimate reason for giving the MSM first access.
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Posted by Bill Ross on 11/29/10 08:40 AM
From: "The Attributes of Mankind":
Click to view link
Since man has the ability to discover knowledge (relationship between action and consequence allowing prediction) and manual dexterity allowing the working of materials, man is able to use these skills in the creation of tools. A tool is knowledge instantiated in physical matter.
Using knowledge that a bent piece of wood stores energy and sharp objects pierce; man is able to create the bow and arrow. The action of placing the arrow and making the bow taut results in the consequence that the arrow flies when released. Seeking further knowledge of why the arrow does not fly straight results in refinements.
An unfortunate consequence of tools is that, since they encapsulate knowledge which the user does not need (or usually want) to know and knowledge is power, tools give power to those who may not be competent to exercise them wisely. In particular, our declining freedom is a direct consequence of the balance of power between individuals and organizations being altered in favor of those who control technology. Personally, I am beginning to regret some of my past contributions to information technology, just as the scientists who created nuclear weapons were no longer able to live guilt-free lives after these weapons were unwisely used on populations as opposed to a warning demonstration which would have achieved the same results.
Given the power of tools, scientific progress (assuming we don´t make ourselves extinct) is a genie that cannot be put back in the bottle. The answer is not to ban tools but to acknowledge that, as inanimate objects, tools are morally neutral and can be used for good or evil. It is the actions of those who choose to use tools, such as guns for harm that should be addressed as opposed to banning the thing.
The internet is a tool, morally agnostic, able to be used for whatever it is CHOSEN for. Any moral evaluations apply to the chooser, not the tool. The arguments regarding tool restriction (including free speech) are equivalent to restricting the use of screwdrivers, which are also "weapons grade". The net result, if successful, is disarmed (and therefore subservient, enslaved) populations.
As to Julian Assange and Wikileaks, it is entirely plausible that elites are sacrificing a pawn (some credibility / actual people) in exchange for the queen (internet freedom).
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Posted by Radek on 11/29/10 08:02 AM
Dear Bell,
I think your faith/benefit of the doubt in Assange is fading too quickly.
We should not blame him on how the main media spins-off the revealed documents. Can alternative media pick up anything useful out of those revelations to push forward the agenda of free loving people in this world? We may only judge him on the usability of his work.
We should not expect him to withold some of the documents because they can portray some people in the bad light. Why do you expect him to be able to judge what should be published and what not? What about his own credibility if he starts to withold information? I think he needs to be religious on that matter. Every true material should be released. He is not a journalist to make a story, he is a source of all material possible to journalists.
"Only a pervert would seek to do this kind of damage to the national security of the US". I am sorry but I guess I have to be classified as a pervert too and I really do not feel like one. It has been too long that national security issue has been used to cover devilish actions of different parties in US. I would if given a chance release as much information about secret dealings of US as possible in the hope of making it more honest and more accountable. You could call us dreamers, mad to believe in paeceful change, but why perverts?
You could call him and others alike desperate, but desperate times call for desperate methods. US must be stopped before it causes WorldWar III. Assange and alike either help to fix it or help to break it. It is fine with me. No more cover ups, let us see all cacroaches in the daylight and maybe we can clean up the mess.
Daily Bell, how would you feel if I was blaming you for causing the efforts of controling the Internet because you are trying to educate people. Of course it is not your fault and you should be given the benefit of the doubt. You do your best in educating people and this is what I appreciate.
I will never attack Assange unless somebody can prove that he is releasing lies intentionally or witholds some information based on his own judgement.
Was he one of the people advocating Free speech legislation in Iceland to make it a safe-heaven for journalists and free press?
That alone should give him some initial faith.
I am dissapointed but of course even Daily Bell has a right to make mistakes and be paranoid from time to time (IMHO).
all the best,
Radek
Reply from The Daily Bell
We were not calling Assange a "pervert." We were pointing out how is BEING PORTRAYED. We have added an editor's note to the article to make it clear we do not perceive him as a "pervert." It is a ridiculous character-assassination in our view.
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Posted by Puzzled on 11/29/10 07:50 AM
By barry soetoro sitting in the Oval Office, what does that say about this Nation? We are a paper tiger! There is no A__ to back up our mouth! And as for truth,forget that, anyone who lies about his name, where is his truth? Now we know why he put the two women in the S. Court! He knew there would be serious Q about his eligibility! And now someone, several, have discovered his B. Cert.-in Kenya!
Is it any wonder a man has begun to leak all this info-misinfo? The PE are in position to do this country in. Their chance is now. Forget Iran, it will implode. N.Korea, don't have what it takes. Afghan is just a way to drain wealth, power fro US.
What is left? Leave us to our own designs, we will destroy ourselves, by barry soetoro's hand, and the fact that we are so laid back or on pot, and let him destroy us.
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Posted by Theodorej on 11/29/10 07:39 AM
Greetings Mssrs:
Yet another attack on the security of the american people or is it???...I would have to agree with your analogy that it is the internet which is the prime target and all the sundry benefits that are derived beyond that is just the iceing on the cake..(Click to view linkan)..
The cleverness of this reaks of an insider and i would be looking at this administration extensively along with a Euro partner....Amidst chaos comes opportunity and sewing the seeds of decension will ultimately create Click to view linkaos/societal unrest must be dealt with and dealing with it is the purpose of government...
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Posted by RF on 11/29/10 07:32 AM
The sad state of affairs that allows data to be hacked( potentialy criminal acts?), what color underwear do Diplomats have?
I'm hoping the disinformation campaign is a sucessful one,It shows the weakness of depending on the database security...
Has there ever been a time in history, where spying on neighbors, enemies and friends , by the powers at be? I doubt it,so why would the revelations that we are , human, making incendery comments, and considering further wars be such a shock?? They could have read the same information suppositions here two years ago...
In truth, it may accelerate the reactions from extremist factions, with ugly, bloody realitys of death and destructions, at useless levels.. But those things are daily weekly occurrances in thier worlds, why shouldn't be in ours?? During ths Cold Wars, someone would have exceuted him by now, and Hollywood would have made a movie, they still may, Perhaps that is Mr Assange's true goal.
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Posted by C Moore on 11/29/10 07:21 AM
Assange's background is also very suspect, he was indoctrinated into a bizzare cult as a child, they believed in giving children LSD (MK ULTRA?)
He travelled around the world for a while never settling down or finding employment, sounds like an intelligent agent. Then there is his odd demeanor, shouldn't judge someone on such a thing but he IS a very strange guy.
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Posted by Alan on 11/29/10 07:18 AM
I used to read the Guardian but I grew up. Saw these breaking Wikedleaks headlines in the Guardian. Thought what's all this about. Nearly went on the Guardian website to find out. What was I thinking? Luckily found some adult comment here!
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Posted by AmanfromMars on 11/29/10 06:02 AM
Re Wikileaks,
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Posted by Krieger on 11/29/10 05:48 AM
@ Bren. Ireland
not only did german scientists "emigrate" to the US to work for some government projects, the core problem remains, that many technocratic views and methods of the Nazis were implemented by "post war" US Government and newly founded "intelligence agencies" (Click to view linkanisation Gehlen).
The fact is, the US was impressed by the efficiency of Nazi-German Bureaucracy. Sadly though, they copied many of their methods, which evidently did change the US political mindset for decades to come...
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Posted by Timur The Lame on 11/29/10 05:37 AM
Spot on article in my opinion. Too even handed possibly but in this world one can't play too loosely with a near peerless reputation.
I have not read Ms. Rajiva's analyses but given her integrity and thoroughness I assume that she referenced the daily.pk articles of several years back with specific reference to 'cia- mossad-and soros behind wikileaks' and John Young of Click to view link severing ties and openly accusing wikileaks as being a CIA front. This was before the great 'leaks' took place. Google those terms if so inclined.
Toss in his ridiculing of 911 conspiracy theories, not even a mild call for a re-investigation. Remember the psy-ops golden rule that the best disinformation/propoganda is 5% of what you want to convey camouflaged by 95% verifiable truth.
Related to this is DB quoting Henry Makow quoting some Russian who had accessed Gorbachev era files.
Be careful! I have read Makow for many years and tend to agree with him but my 6th sense makes me uneasy about him. I could obviously be wrong about him as a person but I have burned my fingers with so called 'KGB exposes' in the past. Sudaplatov was an excellent read but turns out to be KGB disinfo (IMO). Mitrovkin foolishly gives himself away by spending 100 pages telling us why he should be believed. His brilliant method for removing KGB archives past the guards?, why just put some sausuage sandwiches over them! I could read no further.
Some KGB official openly bragged several years ago about the fun they were having by releasing 'secret' info to the west. These people are not nor ever were fools! New York Times? Comment would be superfluous.
Cheers-
Reply from The Daily Bell
You are perceptive about Makow. How many times have we referenced him in the past two-and-a-half years. Once.
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Posted by Jacob on 11/29/10 05:23 AM
Government PsyOps, both foreign and domestic, is now a virtual certainty. If that has always been the case, then it has now become an art form. From this conclusion, enter the world of shadow, where altered rules of perception apply: ignore perceptual bait of first impression, recognize other-derived facts as mere allegation, become hyper careful where one drops one's anchors of perceptual trust.
Whether WikiLeaks is or is not a PsyOps program pales in comparison to the reality of ever constant propaganda diversion. Drop one's perceptual anchors on realities that can't be explained away, such as wars without moral or logical basis, theft by imposed debased currency with its meandering channels of distribution, ad nauseum. The tortured explanations for these realities, however elegant, increasingly appear as farce, regardless of source.
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Posted by Krieger on 11/29/10 05:21 AM
First of all: I am looking forward digging into some of those newly released documents! If anything, they should provide us with insight on how the US Embassy-System functions: how to place "Informants" at the right places, what "news" seems to worthwhile sending back home, efficiency of foreign politician profiling, how to build political pressure to achieve wanted political results, and so on...
For this alone I am thankful to Wikileaks and esp. to the individual that leaked this information (who might be Bradley Manning)
As for the CT: I guess, picking publications like the NYT, The Guardian and Der Spiegel might have it's reason. All of them are "respected" mainstream publications with notable research ressources " digging through thousands of pages takes time...
But by actually reading the published articles today, makes me agree with your point of view, that these newspapers did a very poor job in their "investigative reporting" and analysis of the documents. While the european papers focus on how the state department views single european leaders (Sarkozy: Emperor without clothes), while the US paper wine about the leak itself.
Maybe TheDailyBell's Elves could have a look at some of the released documents, maybe, just maybe, they might find something worthwhile sharing ;-)
P.S. I looked into the two cables regarding Austria. The IAEA has it's headoffice in Vienna and one cable mainly reports about IAEA activities regarding Syria and Iran.
The second one is more interesting, because it is a report about the views and valuations of the austrian embassador to Teheran...
Click to view link
Reply from The Daily Bell
We wrote "we could be wrong" about Assange. Time will tell.
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Posted by Jonathan on 11/29/10 04:59 AM
@Memehunter
The link doesn't reach the article you mention.
Reply from The Daily Bell
Now it will.
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Posted by Bren .Ireland on 11/29/10 04:28 AM
Well spotted DB & that contributor.
Stinks to the High-Heavens it does,-was first on all the controlled Media last nite;this piffle.
That link about the Bushs' profiting from Nazi's not work.
All their top scientists joined the US Government(NASA second-secret! space program-iread elsewhere on 'net-& it saying on of the Bush's a German or even a German Nazi who re-documented a US citizen)
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