"The Invisible Hand [Always} Strikes Back"!:
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Regards, onebornfree.

I meant to say "And the elite saviors... " the other guys, who also understand, but take the avantage. Just a few years ago, 80% of employment came from small business. People who winter well.

Restraint always pays off. Sometimes it keeps from making one look like a fool after new information is available; but mostly because it doesn't show your hand. It is a position of strenght. Government knows no restraint. It always needs to show its strenght. It is naked unabashed aggression without the humility of conscience to justify it. Muscle without a brain. Zombie. It even needs to hijack your spirit to justify any resemblance of a meaningfull existence. We don't have to feel bad for it, just know others need this crutch. It is all the worries and fears of the collective. We draw the line when the crutch is weilded as a weapon. We will deal with it one way or another. Those upholding reason can only be pushed so far. There is a limit. When the restraint comes off, there will be nothing but self pity and sobbing for the abandoned. The the elite saviors will be summering elsewhere.

Cheers! To restraint, when benefit if a doubt is warrented, and lack of it when they don't have a warrant, and you can get away with it.

"And I wouldn't characterize mava as a troll. "

... hence, my "restraint", a benefit of a doubt, with a transition to cautious "collection of facts" mode...

once I KNOW, it is "dagger to the heart", no hesitation nor restraint.

The point must be conceded: If trolls are to be assigned to DB, they must be the "best and brightest" for any hope of influence / disruption, with the occasional idiot troll plants to "throw us off the scent".

There is no telling how or when the current nonsense will sort itself out. The Nazi and Japanese Militarist regiems were fairly brief because they took on the whole world and lost. The Soviet abomination lasted over seventy years. Life still sucks for most Chinese. And pretty much all North Koreans. We may not go as far down that path as they. But who knows?

I'm shrugged as far as can be. I hope we can all get through this while still being able to say what we want to, as difiantly as we want to, all the way through. But I wouldn't bet on it. And I wouldn't characterize mava as a troll.

That was excellent rossbcan. The restraint which you exercised looked good on you.

@mava

"Or, if I am wrong, may-be I will see your disobedience on the evening news?
Doubt that."

I was right. You suffer from the false hope that any of our institutions are uncorrupt or, hold some hope of redemption. I could be severely trouncing THEM and, the last thing you will see on the evening news is "success against THEM". Remember "Comical Ali"? (look him up) That is the "evening news".

This is a general truth, THEY are being severly trounced by the weopons / knowledge I freely share. I do not claim to have discovered it. I pay attention and, have confronted these a$$holes directly. I am still standing, they will not engage. I have seen the terror in judicial eyes, on multiple occasions whe I demanded "equality of treatment, in terms of MEASURABLE rights and responsibilities". They made their orders. I DISOBEYED. I am still standing, years beyond their "final ultamatum".

"Ha-ha. Are you serious?"

Yes, I am. They don't want me or any one dead. They want SLAVES, so they can live irresponsible, carefree lives at our expense. If you are not "low hanging fruit", they move on to easier prey.

I could be VERY RICH, but, I do not accept paying tribute to slavers, filling their coffers with tribute, so they can pay their minions to prey on my fellow human beings, making me an accessory and enabler of their crimes.

I have shrugged, as has a critical mass of the "formerly productive". The "train" is locked on course, such that elitist a$$holes meet their just, self-inflicted fate.

Not only do I fully intend to be among the "last standing", but, to be among those "laughing last". HaHa.

So, join the "solution" of peaceful dissenters:

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You will not see any of this, "on the news", unless it is deemed useful to scapegoat the next class to be preyed upon.

I have been perfectly clear, even before this post.

You seem to be stating "better red than dead", when my point is the converse and you, a survivor of the USSR should have learned "never again". You state "cannot win", I state and prove, "freedom will win" because that is reality.

Why do you post here, if your point is "cannot win". Why not join them, or, slink into a hole, to wallow in despair. I will be paying attention, my troll antennae are quivering.

Just in case, let there be no misunderstanding, I do not intend to offend you. Just "correct" you back to the reality. If you do what you say, they will kill you, and all the point that the incident will make is that "there still way too many crazies around". (Not my point of view of someone protecting their property, but the majority point of view). Further, they will make you into a funny stupid criminal figure, and that is how you will go down the memory lane.

Resistance, my friend, has zero meaning, when no one understands it. Your second point is probably going to be, that, well, the hell with it, better be dead free man than alive slave. Here again, you'd be wrong. Life would be too simple if that was true. Most people will may-be say that, but when it comes to it, they will prefer life of slavery to glorious death.

@rossbcan:

Ha-ha. Are you serious? "On MY turf, MY beliefs trump. Aggress and, false beliefs will be corrected."

Easy to write the words.

There is going to be the tightening of already existing gun laws. Are you going to stay your turf, and correct them, or are you going to roll over?

I am going to roll over, in accordance with what I say here. You too, of course, it's just that you say one thing, but do another, I think.

Or, if I am wrong, may-be I will see your disobedience on the evening news?
Doubt that.

@Uncle Martin

"And you can ignore Poe's Law if you wish :-)"

Poes Law: Clarify the intent of your parody, else, it will be mistaken for the real thing.

Su Tzu: "Know your enemies"

Bill's Law: "Let your enemies BELIEVE they know you"

Part of the general "lay of the field of battle" regarding perception:

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"And, insane problems demand equally insane (appearing) solutions." … Posted by rossbcan on 12/30/12 04:46 PM

I most certainly wholeheartedly agree, rossbcan. Is that one dabbling in delusional madness and sweet sticky sanity? :-)

And you can ignore Poe's Law if you wish :-)

"Global Response Staff". That has a nice efficient sound to it.
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Fleet-footed killers sounds more accurate. How about "One stop snuffing"?

"We allow no opt out."

allow?

disobedience is a VERY broad brush, implicitly includes and is, in fact an assertion of "opt out".

"embedded belief that we all, as a group, should be able to decide"

On MY turf, MY beliefs trump. Aggress and, false beliefs will be corrected.

The beauty of it is, manage the perceptions and, it is VERY CLEAR "whom is initiating aggression" and, the majority may be too stupid to parse complex arguments, but, that goes for "defensive arguments" as well as "offensive rationalizations", a dual edge blunt sword, doesn't influence those whom "don't think" one way or the other.

Don't engage "them" in debate. THEY aggress, you defend. A REAL, action inevitably leads to consequence position, the converse of "obey, or else", negating THEM.

Actions speak very clearly, even to idiots.

I think, any disagreement we may have is one of perspective. It appears you may still cling to the false hope that THEY acknowlege any fact and reason and are therefore amenable to logical persuasion, correction of their "errors" if you will. I am decades beyond it being proven, to my satisfaction that THEY are dangerously insane.

And, insane problems demand equally insane (appearing) solutions.

@mava

"It is not exactly the obedience"

YES, it is EXACTLY the obedience. When they aggress against you by, for example stating you have no property rights, it is, by definition, disobedience to claim "yes, I do, and defend".

Rights do nor exist unless they are defended. Servititude cannot exist with disobedience, nor "right to choose life". THEY may kill you for your chutzpah, but, you will die free, A REAL HUMAN BEING, acting honorably to preserve the gains and pay homage to all whom have died in the cause of establishing the residual freedoms we have left and the far greater freedoms we have allowed to be "rationalized away".

@rossb:

What you questioning in that article does have an answer. It is not exactly the obedience, although it has a lot to do with it. It is the embedded belief that we all, as a group, should be able to decide on the property and the behavior of individual that has nothing to do with us. We allow no opt out.

"Suggest YOU start thinking about buoyancy as the waves of Dark Age II engulf YOU and whatever you may cling to, considering it to be REAL, when, in actual fact, in all probability, YOUR core beliefs are LIES: "

ditto that

Here's a good article on stock market movements;
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Just want to reiterate: EVERY choice in the area of trade is economic, including ALL CHOICES which are part of goal-seeking.

Smile at a pretty girl? Start of negotiations.

Scowl at tyrants? Start of defense.

And, the "unseen hand" of the integral of our collective choices DETERMINES outcome in matters far more comprehensive than mere economics which, IMHO is just the visible tip of a vast iceberg, ripping out the understructure and integrety of the "unsinkable ships of state". And, like the equivalent marine folly: Not enough lifeboats.

Suggest YOU start thinking about buoyancy as the waves of Dark Age II engulf YOU and whatever you may cling to, considering it to be REAL, when, in actual fact, in all probability, YOUR core beliefs are LIES:

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"Danny, you know you are not going high enough. Whom do you think the CIA works for? The Godfather? C'mon ... " ….. Reply from The Daily Bell regarding Posted by Danny B on 12/29/12 10:02 PM

Good luck with the pinning of that phantom tail on an elephantine donkey, chaps, for this is the moving picture you are trying to put a static face to.

"a. The growth of communication networks has decreased the number of isolated populations in the world. The emergence of advanced wired and wireless information technology facilitates global communication by corporations, violent extremist organizations, and individuals. The ability to share information in near real time, anonymously and/or securely, is a capability that is both an asset and a potential vulnerability to us, our allies, and our adversaries. Information is a powerful tool to influence, disrupt, corrupt, or usurp an adversary's ability to make and share decisions.

b. The instruments of national power (diplomatic, informational, military, and economic) provide leaders in the United States with the means and ways of dealing with crises around the world. Employing these means in the information environment requires the ability to securely transmit, receive, store, and process information in near real time. The nation's state and non-state adversaries are equally aware of the significance of this new technology, and will use information-related capabilities (IRCs) to gain advantages in the information environment, just as they would use more traditional military technologies to gain advantages in other operational environments. These realities have transformed the information environment into a battlefield, which poses both a threat to the Department of Defense (DOD), combatant commands (CCMDs), and Service components and serves as a force multiplier when leveraged effectively."

They couldn't compete without the synthetic label. The extra cost of steaming the oil out of the sand allows it. As I said, good product.

Average cost of production for synthetic crude is between $35 to $40 dollars per barrel.

"The stock promoters consistant failures and outright sensationalizing is what is turning off investors."

No, the fact that it takes an energy equivelent of two barrels of oil to produce three is an roi of 1.5, pretty low. They make a quality product though.

I look back to, less than a year ago, on an investment website where I got into a dispute regarding the then much believed "peak oil" theory. They were claiming oil prices in excess of $200/barrel by 2013 and advocating the purchase of oil sands shares.

Alberta is getting around $60/barrel for conventional crude now and as low as $45/barrel for heavy oil.

The stock promoters consistant failures and outright sensationalizing is what is turning off investors.

Dear Bell, instead of writing a new post, I'm just going to copy the post I wrote at the Energetic forum. It has to do with organized crime and has a link to an EXCELLENT article from Jim Willie.

Boris Yeltsin said it very clearly; Russia is controlled by organized crime. This is also true to a great degree for israel.

America is where organized crime is most thoroughly entrenched. Companies like Brown-Ferris industries are completely built with Mob money. Organized crime manufactured the savings&loan crash. That netted them a cool $ 1 trillion but 1,000 people went to jail.

Organized crime perfected regulatory capture to where NOBODY goes to jail.

Money will buy any level of control necessary.
The fiscal cliff is just the start of devices that will drain away the last of the wealth of Americans.

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Jim Willie has been writing for many years. He exposes a lot of corruption. His latest article shows very well how the rest-of-the-world is shunning the dollar.

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This article covers a lot of ground. Jim's track record is VERY good.

Japan is in serious trouble. Japan may be the spark that lights the powder keg. The other likely candidate is the derivative market.

"The bottom line: $600 trillion in gross notional derivatives backed by a tiny $600 billion in real assets: a whopping 0.1% margin requirement! Surely nothing can possibly go wrong with this amount of unprecedented 1000x systemic leverage."

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The fact is that once the ball gets rolling, there will be NOTHING left standing.

The center of all this corruption and crime is in Langley Virginia. Even Ron Paul came out and said that the CIA was purely criminal. Since organized crime has a lock on the justice department, nobody (BIG) has to worry about going to jail. America is run by the "syndicate" and they are desperate. They are going to run it into the ground.
In their effort to steal everything, they will eventually destroy ALL paper assets. At the end of the day the currency and bond market depends on trust.

Jim Willie points out that the dollar is being shunned by the R.O.W.

Think about what that means when America tries to roll over $ 2.8 trillion in bonds in the coming year.

Reply from The Daily Bell

Danny, you know you are not going high enough. Whom do you think the CIA works for? The Godfather? C'mon ...

People are not investing in their own companies, so their money has to go somewhere. Government bonds have been the main place to park this money but since there are so many for sale the price has remained low. The cash parked in banks is not the only reason price inflation has been as reasonable as it has been. If looked at correctly the rise in stock prices over the last few years is simply price inflation caused by the fact that people and corporations have to put their money somewhere, and they are too worried to invest in new plant and employees. Even without any more money creation, prices would go skyhigh, if stocks went for their actual worth, and bonds went for their true worth of nothing. Silver would go for more than gold does now. The invisible hand is being restrained by the establishment blindfold. And it isn't even tied on, the fools are holding it up themselves.

Stocks are a bad investment? Wouldn't that include US dollars... which are, in reality, paper certificates which represents the stock of the USA, Inc.? In 1929, the US dollar WAS gold. So logically, stocks crashed relative to gold since the US dollar, which was backed by gold, could not be QE'd into existence back then. Stocks went crazy up during the Weimar inflation and during the peso crisis in Argentina last decade. Those holding cash and especially bonds will be crushed in any inflation. Those holding equities, will see some appreciation as US dollars are printed up quicker than any stock certificates (as the right companies will maintain book value of their assets). It's all relative. The US dollar is a variable denominator and thus a poor measure of value, it is a rubber yardstick. If you're gonna be in stocks, we go for the dividend paying stocks with a decent record of dividend increases year over year (paying much more than US bonds, a sucker's play). Plenty of blue chips fit that. We go for the dividends not capital appreciation. If we do not need income, we go balls deep in gold ad silver.

Even with a legitimate stock market, which we don't have, many of those "invested" are now cashing out (baby boomers) for retirement. Wall Street and the financial planners way oversold a position and now it is tanking other than fed funny money being thrown at it.

Bobby7 on 12/29/12 12:23 PM wrote: "ROTHSCHILD - SOROS & CO are the SCUM that need to be eliminated from this planet, if we are EVER going to have a chance of success! People like Obama & CO must also be eliminated!"

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Players and 'isms' are replaceable, and 'eliminating' people is wrong and self-defeating. Let the parasites live, leave them on their own devices, and 'eliminate' their most important tool - THE STATE - instead.

Leave the state in place and you'll end up with a new set of parasites in short order.

'The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern.'

(Lord Acton)


In case you'd like to contemplate this ...


"Anatomy of the State" by Murray N. Rothbard

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See also (quite new, by the way):


"Obsessed by Megalomania" - Interview with Hans-Hermann Hoppe

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"Are Libertarians A Bunch of "Do Nothing" Complainers?" by Chris Rossini

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Happy New Year!

Walter E Williams - The Free Market Is Not Allowed To Work


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Ron Paul Lecture - "The Great Enabler: The Rise of the Federal Reserve and the Growth of Government"


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goodrum,

I am only in my third house, and if you would allow for the income tax break on home mortgare interest, I can honestly say that I have been paid to occupy two houses so far. But those were just lumber. What I have now is a home. I am invested (no debt) in natural resource. It wasn't easy to find, especially in the hot period of the 90's. And now, the deals are everywhere, if you know the difference between value and price. And I'm not even into real-estate. Good luck.

@ dave jr

"It won't heal while the thorn causes it to fester."

Hmmm... I was using the childish practice of picking at scabs as a metaphor for government interference in an economy but if the mechanism of injury is still within the wound, it won't heal either. Different metaphors, same meaning.

When I'm asked by curious people for my estimate of when the U.S. economy will recover I always answer, "In about five years."

"Oh," they respond, "so things will be better in 2017 or 2018?"

"No," I reply, "it will be five years after the majority of the American people realize that government interference 'is the problem and not the solution' and actually do something about it. We have to reach the Zero Hour first before we start counting down."

"The elite will be slow to abandon the system that serves them and will do all they can to keep the game going as long as possible."

The elite are powerless to stop the invisible hand of America's libertarian zeitgeist. (Laughing at the Tina Brown crowd for my unauthorized use of the z-word.) The greatest thing about awakening from American Dream Time is watching the invisible hand do it's thing, day and night, with or without my blessing. An invisible hand that rolls along far more terribly than an elite zombie meme.

Prediction: both of the elite's dominate political parties will agree to do nothing about this week's fiscal cliff.

It reminds me of the stories I was feed while growing up... like, buying a home is a good investment. What I found after buying that home was; it was a money pit. All the repairs, updates and maintenance costs. Then the mortgage and insurance payments. On top of that, the constant increasing of property taxes coupled with zoning laws and housing codes changes... that was enough for me to finally say enough. This was not a great investment.

All told after years of money flowing out the door I divested myself of this 'good' investment. The meager gain from the sale was not nearly enough compensation for all the time, money spent and stress incurred during the "pride of ownership" crap I was promised years before.

Lesson learned... only buy things that will put money into your pocket, not the things that you have to continually take money out of your pocket to maintain! So now I only purchase income producing assets and use the moneys these assets through off for housing and of course toys...

Officially the US debt is $16,000,000,000.00, the Fed gave $16,000,000,000.00 to banks to stop the bleeding in the collapse. This is not simply unwise it is criminal yet knowing this we seem powerless to do anything about it. Let them eat stock.

"The elite will be slow to abandon the system that serves them and will do all they can to keep the game going as long as possible".

Obviously, but in case you let go of the system, they already have a new game. WE would like to know what that is. I personally will not support a social credit system.

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Very good, Dave Jr., Seer does indeed post here to promote a National Socialist economy ...

"It won't heal if you keep picking at it... "

It won't heal while the thorn causes it to fester.

The entire economy is a "confidence" game. For the economy to grow, people Must consume more and more. An economy based on continuous debt expansion, consumer expansion and money expansion is doomed in a world with finite resources. The coming stagflation will result in less consumption of services and probably some resources. The interest rates will remain low as the government cannot afford more interest payments. "Perhaps most questionable from an investment standpoint is the money that has already been released by central banks in order to stimulate the economy. Much of this currency remains trapped in bank coffers, but it will circulate eventually." ??? This also should mention the 4-5 trillion US dollars sitting on the side lines in Corporations. Why expand when you are basically selling fewer items than you produce? Normalcy Bias affects everyone to some degree and none truly believes the sky will fall in the next 24 hours (except a small minority who fall for things like 12/21/12.) The elite will be slow to abandon the system that serves them and will do all they can to keep the game going as long as possible.

YO Tony,

Everyone knows about the affects of the Financial meltdown of the past few years, but WHY is it that NO ONE points the finger at the SCUM that created the MELTDOWN?

ROTHSCHILD - SOROS & CO are the SCUM that need to be eliminated from this planet, if we are EVER going to have a chance of success!

People like Obama & CO must also be eliminated!

Reply from The Daily Bell

Careful please Bobby7, we do NOT advocate violence here at The DB. Transformation through education, yes. Violence, no.

The most interesting aspect of this story (to me) occurs during a Bill Sardi analysis that says, "Individual investors in stocks only represent 15% of the trade." Apparently Bloomberg wants to promote greedy stock buying to this 15% so that insiders can take profits before an aging bull market plays out.

It won't heal if you keep picking at it...

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DB: That's because people simply cannot internalize the reality of a failing economy and a booming stock market.

BM: A great insight.

Bloomberg: Americans have missed out on almost $200 billion of stock gains….

BM: A silly notion. Even if Americans stayed invested in the market throughout and captured these electronic digits, what would this have meant? No matter the nominal amount on the balance sheet, not everyone can retire and live off of the productive efforts of others. It takes productive work, not paper gains, to result in goods appearing on the table.

The Fed could easily put this $200 billion into the bank accounts of Americans tomorrow. It doesn't change the fact that too few productive (in positions that would be supported in a free market, producing desired goods and services) cannot support too many non-productive (whether retired, on welfare, working for government, banking, whatever).

It isn't the paper wealth that allows for the purchase of goods and services in the future, it is savings based on true production that allows for the purchase of goods and services in the future. No matter the value of the stock market, and the amount invested therein, too many Americans (as is true for much of the developed world) are living on the dole - government handouts of one form or another -in other words, not producing.

Even if the net worth of Americans was $200 billion larger, it does not change the fact that too few are producing and too many are merely collecting. Denominated in whatever currency you want, with however many zeroes in the number, the formula won't work.

As a not-so-trivial aside, when the present value of unfunded liabilities in the US is estimated to be over $200 trillion, and growing at more than $5 trillion per year, the so-called missing $200 billion would buy Americans about two weeks of this unsustainable lifestyle. What's the point?

The real fallacy is in believing that everyone could retire comfortably in a world where no one has to work to survive and save thanks to government 'safety-nets' and medical benefits.

This is the reality that will come crashing down on many in the West.

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"The real fallacy is in believing that everyone could retire comfortably in a world where no one has to work to survive and save thanks to government 'safety-nets' and medical benefits. This is the reality that will come crashing down on many in the West."

... 'Nuff said ...

A healthy financial market grows out of, is dependent on a healthy economy. Not the other way around. Likewise, a sick financial market is the result of a sick economy. Not the other way around. The dog wags the tail. Not the other way around.

The dog is on life support because of heavy government regulation in all areas of production, debased currency and manipulations in foreign exchange rates.

But they know that.

Is Anonymous, an Invisible Hand Morph in MetaDataBases/Future Information Banks?

And what whenever Autonomy Powers Anonymous Control of Future Information?

How do you deal with Spontaneous Creation with Heavenly Content except Share IT so All is for Free Zero Cost Price ... .. is an Extreme Meme Program at Mission Driver Forward Operating Base Levels/Heights :-)