Editorial
500 Year Old Global 'Roll-Up' Founders?
And another one gone, and another one gone ... Another one bites the dust − Queen
Is it possible that the biggest roll-up in history is foundering?
What roll-up? Well ... roll-up, of course, is a money-industry term of art. It means that someone − an enterprising banker backed by big money − begins to buy up mom and pop shops to turn them into one large industry with "economies of scale" and an intrinsic value that is larger than its individual moving parts.
In this case, the roll-up that is taking place is of nation-states.
The bankroll comes from central banks.
And the supervisory business council is made up of the great Anglosphere families that control them around the world.
But if such a roll-up is taking place, it just hit a snag. The Anglosphere power elite that is trying to create worldwide government seems to have suffered yet another setback with the withdrawal of Britain and three other countries from upcoming treaties designed to make the EU even more of a massive nation-state.
Ironically, Britain (home of the City of London's mile-square nexus of elite, global domination) has led the way. Apparently, there is simply too much resistance among the population and even the political class to overcome. I would like to thank the Internet for that. Perhaps people for the first time in a long time are waking up and realizing what is being done TO them in THEIR name.
Unless something changes very quickly (and it always could), Britain shall remain outside of the core Eurozone. But another 23 European countries will participate in a new treaty mandating strict oversight of how they spend their taxpayer's money.
The treaty is supposed to be written by March. It will probably mark the first time in history that 23 countries voluntarily gave up their sovereignty without a single shot being fired. Britain won't be among them. We'll see how far the treaty actually gets.
Britain's top men supposedly made the decision to leave in order to ward off regulatory attacks against its financial services industry. Do you believe that? Britain's been moving toward the Union for decades.
What is more likely is that a tipping point was finally reached. Had Britain's political class followed its instincts and handed over the last vestiges of sovereignty to the EU, it might have faced open rebellion at home. It was, therefore, a bridge too far ...
Why should this be? Well, we've explained it before. The Internet era and what we here at the Daily Bell call the Internet Reformation is making it increasingly difficult for the power elite to pull together tens or hundreds of millions in a single, bureaucratic entity, let alone seven billion. In this Internet era, where this sort of manipulation is either known or suspected, the end result is increasingly difficult to mandate.
Sometimes a rose is a rose and a setback is a setback. It may be what we have here. For 50 years, the elite that wants to rule the world lied and dissembled to the British people about the EU. Step by step a union was built like a gilded cage around the British Isles – and around Europe as well.
It begs common sense to maintain that this was built up so painfully and with such determined malevolence with the idea of its destruction in mind. No, the preferred plan, as is obvious and evident, is to build up "unions" of countries around the world – and then to build global governance on top of it.
There can be NO doubt of this. There are now "unions" – and planned currency unions – around the world.
Are we to believe it is all "coincidence"? We find them in South America, Africa, Asia, even the Middle East. Lift the blanket and you will find unions scurrying about like bed bugs. They are likely being organized by the same Money Power that built up the EU and has been trying to create, as well, a North American Union.
The initial reorganization could date back to colonial times. During the so-called "colonial era" European countries spread out around the world and "colonized" Africa, South America and Asia. All of a sudden regions that had no countries were given specific designations, governments and boundaries.
Today, of course, all this is looked upon as an "aberration" and a "mistake." Really?
I've long since given up on the idea that history is full of "mistakes." World War I was a mistake. World War II was a mistake. Versailles was a mistake. Yalta was a mistake. And yet each mistake yields more and more global tension, chaos and ultimately, globalist "solutions" leading inevitably to global governance.
So was the colonial era simply another aberration? Another mistake. Another era of greedy pillaging with no larger purpose. Or was there a method to the seeming madness? Am I wrong to ask the question?
It certainly SEEMS like a mad question, to be sure. Could the great Money Power families even 500 years ago have ALREADY been contemplating world government? Could they have set out from Europe on a colonizing mission to create nation-states that would then form the fulcrum of regional unions and finally global government?
Could this international "roll up" have roots that go back a millennium?
It's a big project, to be sure! One of those projects that is so big it's almost impossible to wrap your mind around it. But take a step back and the parameters become achingly familiar and shockingly – brutally – simple. Build up nation-states, convert them to regions and roll them up!
Of course, it is merely coincidence ...
Merely the sweep of history ...
Merely the evolution of culture and power ...
And yet ... The result is always CENTRALIZATION. Always. Never anything else. Always the solution is more power for the center, more "leadership," more technocratic advances by those who cluster around the modern central banking establishment.
So ... yes, one can view such inevitable results as accidental. But when the same results repeat themselves over and over, no matter the circumstances, one can surely make the argument that what is taking place may NOT be accidental but "directed." Here's something from Wikipedia about the colonial era:
In history, the early modern period of modern history follows the late Middle Ages. Although the chronological limits of the period are open to debate, the timeframe spans the period after the late portion of the Middle Ages (c. 1500) through the beginning of the Age of Revolutions (c. 1800). From a global standpoint, the most important feature of the early modern period was its globalizing character — it witnessed the exploration and colonization of the Americas and the rise of sustained contacts between previously isolated parts of the globe. The historical powers became involved in global trade. This world trading of goods plants, animals, and food crops saw exchange in the Old World and the New World. The Columbian Exchange greatly affected almost every society on Earth.
Now, three other events. First was the creation of the Gutenberg Press in the mid-1400s. Wikipedia tells us that:
From a single point of origin, Mainz, Germany, printing spread within several decades to over two hundred cities in a dozen European countries. By 1500, printing presses in operation throughout Western Europe had already produced more than twenty million volumes. In the 16th century, with presses spreading further afield, their output rose tenfold to an estimated 150 to 200 million copies. The operation of a press became so synonymous with the enterprise of printing that it lent its name to an entire new branch of media, the press. As early as 1620, the English statesman and philosopher Francis Bacon could write that typographical printing has "changed the whole face and state of things throughout the world."
Second was the Reformation. This split the Roman Catholic Church asunder and was quite possibly the work of the power elite itself, or certain banking facilities that saw the Church as an imminent threat. Wikipedia tells us:
Martin Luther's spiritual predecessors included John Wycliffe and Jan Hus, who likewise had attempted to reform the Roman Catholic Church. The Protestant Reformation began on 31 October 1517, in Wittenberg, Saxony, where Martin Luther nailed his Ninety-Five Theses on the Power and Efficacy of Indulgences to the door of the Castle Church, in Wittenberg.
Third was the creation of what today is known as the Illuminati, with all its secret hand-signs, Masonic involvement and furious speculation about what it is today, and whether in fact it even exists – and for what purposes. Wikipedia tells us:
The Illuminati (plural of Latin illuminatus, "enlightened") is a name given to several groups, both real (historical) and fictitious. Historically the name refers to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1, 1776. In more modern contexts the name refers to a purported conspiratorial organization which is alleged to mastermind events and control world affairs through governments and corporations to establish a New World Order. In this context the Illuminati are usually represented as a modern version or continuation of the Bavarian Illuminati.
Let's try to summarize. Philosopher Francis Bacon wrote that the Gutenberg Press "changed the whole face and state of things throughout the world" – much as the Internet has changed the world today.
The Gutenberg Press was no doubt immensely threatening to the powers-that-be as its initial impact was to generate the rediscovery of scientific thinking – which has been mis-described today as the Renaissance. (Of course, we've argued that a similar Renaissance is taking place today, sweeping away the nonsense of gravitational physics, Peak Oil and the like.)
The powers-that-be seem to have counterattacked in several ways. Here's one (hypothetical) way to look at it: First, they began to create false-flag "movements" such as the Reformation and the Enlightenment. Second, they set up various secret societies to control the advances of knowledge via the printing press. Third, they "took a step back" − and substituted "democracy" for monarchy. It was also at this time that the European countries became far more aggressive in terms of their colonial efforts.
Accept there's possibiy some validity to the above and we can ask ourselves: Are there parallels to what is going on today? This is what we here at DB attempt to cover regularly. We try to write about the way the modern power elite is apparently responding to the 'Net and the "Internet Reformation" that is now taking place. Just like the previous Reformation − perhaps founded by the elites of the time − this one, too, is spinning out of control.
The elites evidently and obviously have tools they use to try to create an ever closer global union. We have labeled these dominant social themes – fear-based promotions that provide internationalist solutions.
These solutions, of course, are ones that have been created by the same elites: the United Nations, International Monetary Fund, Bank for International Settlements, World Bank, International Criminal Court, World Health Organization, etc.
This power elite continually seems to use central bank fiat "money from nothing" to create an integrated and seamless media matrix that speaks with one voice. It is a simple enough procedure and allows the power elite to create convulsive sociopolitical and military movements.
Over the past decade, we believe we've begun to see these dominant social themes founder and fail. The war on terror, global warming, peak oil, central banking, government efficacy – each and every meme propounded by the Anglosphere elite appears to have been undermined by the Internet and the dissemination of information about the Way the World Really Works. This Internet Reformation, as it spins out of control, hasn't reached everyone of course, but it's reached and illuminated tens of millions.
Within this context, I'd argue that Prime Minister David Cameron's move to reduce British exposure to the European Union is perhaps NOT something that the power elite wished to occur. It is being driven by forces in the British Isles beyond their control. It is a setback, a result of what we call the Internet Reformation, not merely a cunning ploy.
Of course, elite strategies are multifarious. The setback itself will no doubt be used to attempt to build a more viable and inclusive European Union. Every setback must inevitably be seen as an opportunity to reinforce a one-world order.
There are plans within plans and strategies within strategies. Hidden in plain sight are apparently whole corporations (Tavistock) devoted to creating, evaluating and re-evaluating the memes of the elite in order to make sure they are viable and appropriately adaptable. (Already, we think we see signs of how this Euro-schism will be put to good use by the globalists.)
But, as I wrote above, a setback is a setback. And the Internet, in my view – and the out-of-control Reformation it is spawning – has provided an unexpected and formidable obstacle to the elite's compulsive internationalism. No doubt, they will be working 24-hour shifts at think tanks around the world to remedy this.
Over the next weeks and months we'll continue to try to analyze the elite's promotional memes as regards what seems to be the collapsing European Union and how they may be attempting to use the setback to buttress their quest for world government. This struggle has ramifications for everything from investing to how and where we live.
It also may mark at least a modest turning point in a 500-year-old roll-up – and thus is history-in-the-making on a grand scale.
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Posted by Abu Aardvark on 12/11/11 09:03 AM
Just found this ...
"More "drone journalism"--this time from a Moscow rally" (December 10, 2011)
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... genuine Russian protest against evil dictator Putin, eh?
"Drone Journalism Lab takes reporting to the sky" (December 4, 2011)
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"Drone journalism? The idea could fly in the U.S." (December 4, 2011)
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"Drone Journalism"
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The BBC opines: "Are we witnessing a Russian Spring this winter? This is the question my US and European colleagues have been asking me over and over again in recent days."
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Hmmm ... .
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Posted by Merridth80 on 12/11/11 07:47 AM
So how do you reconsile the fact, with your above statement, that Christianity was developed between 1500 and 1800 ac, to control the masses? There actually was a man named Jesus, there actually was a flood of immense proportion,Archelogists who assure us of the remanents of an arc, all this to say the life of Jesus was "The Greatest Story Ever Told". Something akin to the U.S.A. Moon Landing! You can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time. IE: barry soetoro aka barrack husein obama!
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Posted by Summer on 12/11/11 07:23 AM
An absolutely superb article. Summarizing so many important issues, illustrating their interconnectedness. Elegant, real pleasure to read! Thank you Anthony Wile.
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Posted by Joe on 12/11/11 05:39 AM
When the human self is seized by a violent sense of greed, driven by deep anxiety about provision in a apparently hostile world, it will create the type of society we now live under. And the people in positions of power in such a society will embody such a self to the highest degree. This will filter down to all members of the society and we will all be anxious about provision, dog eat dog etc. The true religions taught that God is the Provider, that being morally driven in the pursuit of provision has merit and is the definition of the good life. Secular humanism the religion of the bankers had its revolutions and has put us in a society made up of wolves.
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Posted by memehunter on 12/11/11 05:06 AM
Memehunter:""Kabbalism correctly anticipated many modern scientific concepts, including biological evolution and the big bang theory, more than 1800 years ago.""
Memehunter, without claiming to be an expert on kabbalism, I would remain very sceptical about claims like the ones above. For example, the very claim that kabbalism itself is thousands of years old might very well be spurious. It most likely originated somewhere around the 12th or 13th century.
For example, from wikipedia: "The Zohar first appeared in Spain in the 13th century, and was published by a Jewish writer named Moses de Leon. De Leon ascribed the work to Shimon bar Yochai, a rabbi of the 2nd century during the Roman persecution[3] who, according to Jewish legend,[4][5] hid in a cave for thirteen years studying the Torah and was inspired by the Prophet Elijah to write the Zohar. This accords with the traditional claim by adherents that Kabbalah is the concealed part of the Oral Torah."
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Thanks Robnen for your comment. I was aware of the Wikipedia information on the Zohar, but please note that I was purposefully citing a website promoting the Kabbalist viewpoint, so as not to be accused of using a biased anti-Zionist or anti-Kabbalah viewpoint.
The larger issue is that, even if the Kabbalah and/or Zohar date from the 12th or 13th century, it is still startling that most of the important concepts of modern science (heliocentrism, darwinism, "Big Bang", and so on) were already present in the kabbalist tradition. As I said, either the medieval rabbis who wrote the Zohar were pure geniuses who somehow anticipated modern science, or "modern science" is merely a clever rewriting of ancient kabbalist traditions. Either way, I think that people need to think about that one...
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Robnen: After all, the money power isn't buddhist, or hindu, or taoist. These banking families have been overwhelmingly jewish. Is it too much of a stretch for some to come to certain inductive conclusions as to why this is?
Exactly. I don't see why we should not even be allowed to discuss this in the name of political correctness. It is a reasonable assumption to believe that it is not merely a series of coincidences that led to the awesome Zionist Money Power structure that has controlled and "directed" (to use a DB favorite) Western history, culture, science, politics, and economy from behind the curtains for the last century at least (and probably longer).
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We repost our response, below, to Robnen ...
"You really believe ... that families controlling tens of trillions of dollars apparently are devout spiritualists. Not only that, but you claim to "know" what is in their collective heart.
"You would not make the argument that the Italian Mafia is driven by Catholic spiritualism, but when it comes to the great central-banking families that have a HISTORY of manipulating religion, you are all too eager to adopt the narrative they have prepared for you. It is one dominant social theme, apparently, that you and others who patronize the alternative media simply cannot resist. Too bad."
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Posted by Robnen on 12/11/11 04:59 AM
Interesting stuff Wrusssr. Maybe that's why Aztlan sounds so much like Atlantis. Apparently many Indian tribes had legends of progenitors arriving from the oceans and teaching the arts of civilization. The legends of Viracocha and Votan come to mind. Thor Heyerdahl, whom you mentioned, was the first author I read who introduced me to these ideas. At this point, there are serious archaeologists and prehistorians who are starting to question whether mongoloids crossing the Bering Strait were truly the first American natives. Some, such as Dennis Stanford from the Smithsonian Institution are promoting an alternate Solutrean Hypothesis. It's getting interesting.
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Posted by Robnen on 12/11/11 04:49 AM
Memehunter:""Kabbalism correctly anticipated many modern scientific concepts, including biological evolution and the big bang theory, more than 1800 years ago.""
Memehunter, without claiming to be an expert on kabbalism, I would remain very sceptical about claims like the ones above. For example, the very claim that kabbalism itself is thousands of years old might very well be spurious. It most likely originated somewhere around the 12th or 13th century.
For example, from wikipedia: "The Zohar first appeared in Spain in the 13th century, and was published by a Jewish writer named Moses de Leon. De Leon ascribed the work to Shimon bar Yochai, a rabbi of the 2nd century during the Roman persecution[3] who, according to Jewish legend,[4][5] hid in a cave for thirteen years studying the Torah and was inspired by the Prophet Elijah to write the Zohar. This accords with the traditional claim by adherents that Kabbalah is the concealed part of the Oral Torah."
"While the traditional majority view in religious Judaism has been that the teachings of Kabbalah were revealed by God to Biblical figures such as Abraham and Moses and were then transmitted orally from the Biblical era until its redaction by Shimon ben Yochai, modern academic analysis of the Zohar, such as that by the 20th century religious historian Gershom Scholem, has theorized that De Leon was the actual author."
In other words, when you get past the apocryphal nonsense about the kabbalah supposedly being an oral tradition dating back to the 10th century b.c., it could very well be a fraud. One should also not underestimate the amount of cribbing rabbis did in slapping the kabbalah together from non-judaic neo-platonic sources such as metaphysicians like Plotinus, who to my knowledge was the first to expound on his theory of emanations- something that is now associated with kabbalistic metaphysics. One should also not underestimate the simple chutzpah and insanity of the the jewish proponents of the kabbalah making these sorts of fanciful claims.
DB: Memehunter - and you too, apparently - believe the top men of Anglosphere are observant Jews. We think they "use" religion to accomplish their ends.
That's not my view. I see it this way. Take modern liberal gentile atheists, for example. A good amount of them, though claiming to be atheistic, are clearly imbued with the ethics of christianity, such as it's emphasis on universal justice and egalitarian. Oswald Spengler once wrote that Christianity was the ancient bolshevism. These liberals, whether they acknowledge it or not, have imbibed these christian memes which have informed western "civilization" for the past 1700 years or so through a type of acculturating osmosis. The Jews, on the other hand, observant or not, would see themselves as the perennial underdogs who have to get one over on the goyim. Add to this the persecution narratives, and then the view of themselves as some sort of intellectual elite. In addition, the core of judaism is this sense that the Jews are here to repair, or heal the world- tikkun olam, as they call it. None of this implies they need to be fanatically observant hasidim; it's an acculturating force which informs their mentality. After all, the money power isn't buddhist, or hindu, or taoist. These banking families have been overwhelmingly jewish. Is it too much of a stretch for some to come to certain inductive conclusions as to why this is? After all, it's not like these people actually believe they're doing anything evil. In their minds, they're helping bring the world together to live in a multi-culti harmonious utopia, where chauvinisms and wars and anti-semitism will be eradicated, and the lamb shall lie down with the lion, and they'll make a hefty profit out of it to boot. Oy vey! Such a deal! Remember, they believe they're "healing" the world.
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You really believe (along with Memehunter) that families controlling tens of trillions of dollars apparently are devout spiritualists. Not only that, but you claim to "know" what is in their collective heart.
You would not make the argument that the Italian Mafia is driven by Catholic spiritualism, but when it comes to the great central-banking families that have a HISTORY of manipulating religion, you are all too eager to adopt the narrative they have prepared for you. It is one dominant social theme, apparently, that you and others who patronize the alternative media simply cannot resist. Too bad.
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Posted by Wrusssr on 12/11/11 04:10 AM
An anecdote to the Atlantis portion of the discussion summarized from an Arizona Highways article (Circa 1940s) 'Ancient Manuscripts on American Stone," by William Coxon , that I stumbled across looking for something to read in a waiting room in Houston. A collection of his work was pulled together, but is difficult to find.
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William Coxon, a photographer and archaeologist, who died in Arizona in 1963, traveled to Mexico in the late Thirties and stopped by the Mazatlan Chamber of Commerce to gather tourist information for a presentation for the locals when he returned home. While there, he encountered Don Manuel, an archaeologist and Aztec who researched ancient history; his in particular. Finding out Coxon was from Arizona, he asked him to take some pictures of certain petroglyphs there when he got home, and if he would come by the following day, they would talk about it.
Coxon wrote he wasn't sure what petroglyphs Don Manuel was talking about, and so borrowed some information at the hotel where he was staying. The next day he met with Don Manuel and told him he was sure there were none of the petroglyphs in Arizona. It was then Manuel relayed to him his Aztec legend:
'. . .according to the legends of my ancestors, the Nahuatl tribes came to this continent from Atlantis, and crossed overland to the Valley of the Great Salt Lake. Later, they migrated from there to the Valley of the River Gila, and established their first capital. After living there several centuries, they migrated onto the Mexican Plateau. You will find their petroglyphs in Arizona.'
When Coxon returned to his hometown, he made a talk to the Rotary about his trip, spoke of his encounter with Don Manuel, and asked that if anyone had seen petroglyphs of this nature to let him know after the meeting. To his surprise, several men approached and told him where he could find them.
This led Coxon on a journey of discovery. Along the way, he asked the so-called experts at the University of Arizona about them, and they informed him the petroglyphs were simply 'Indian scribblings,' or a form of 'Indian graffiti.'
Nonetheless, he photographed and cataloged the petrolglyphs and, after reading the books available during his time, discovered that Dr. Thor Heyerdahl had discovered the same common symbols on rock in the Marquesas Islands. Coxon kept reading and found identical symbols had been discovered in Macedonia, Assyria, Crete, India, South America, Mexico, Portugal, Spain, the Canary islands off North Africa; along the River Nile from the Cataracts south, along the Orange River of South Africa, and in the Egyptians' hieroglyphics; all of which were older than the written language of Egypt.
Not only did he find this 'rock art' predated Mesopotamia, but that it wasn't rock art all-it was a written language he dubbed stone writing-with four of the five characteristics required of language. He theorized the symbols predated our known history when inhabitants of earth must have operated under one language, portions of which were later adopted by the Egyptians.
The Tower of Babel does come to mind.
Coxon theorized the petroglyphs told fellow humans of the day things like where a river and its tributaries went from that spot, where big game or fish or edible plants could be found, where dangerous areas that contained snakes or other predators were. A symbol of a mastodon shows up on one. Those coming later read the symbols and knew what they meant.
He also said at the time that it, as a language, had many other symbols that had yet to be deciphered; absent a key similar to the 'Rosetta Stone.' I don't know if this information has been developed.
Coxon also tried duplicating the petroglyph symbols himself on rock faces and found it virtually impossible and extremely time consuming for even a single symbol. He knew, he wrote, this wasn't Indian 'graffiti' or 'scribblings.'
I was immediately struck by the matter-of-factness of the article, and the fact the 'learned' academics of the day had dismissed him. I asked if I might borrow the magazine. The owners of the business told me to take it; that they were going to throw them out.
As the years passed, I kept dragging the article out and re-reading it each time something like the stone bodies beneath the Easter Island heads and the remains of underwater temples and structures and cities like Gobekli Tepe Click to view link in Turkey-ancient civilizations all we didn't have a clue about-are discovered; all pieces of a great puzzle and mystery that's still unfolding; that humanity is still piecing together if we don't exterminate ourselves during the interim.
The petroglyphs that Coxon wrote about I have seen-rode past them on ranches during my youth and wondered what they meant-but never made the connection until I read his article. I would call this multi-year-information-connection of mine a microcosm of what occurs instantly today-all over the globe, thanks to the Internet Reformation.
Gobekli Tepe Click to view link provide us a new timeline like the body did they found beneath an Alps ice field when it receded a few years ago. It was so well preserved they at first thought it was an accident or a murder, but later found it to be an ancient hunter with all his skins, weapons, food in his stomach. Once studied, the experts set about rewriting so-called settled history surrounding the Bronze Age, if memory serves.
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Great links, thanks. Gobekli Tepe is amazing ....
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Posted by memehunter on 12/11/11 03:53 AM
@DB: I will reply to some of the comments you addressed to Robnen, since I am mentioned my name.
DB: As far spirituality, goes, we have a difference of opinion with Memehunter and the entire Conspiracy Industry. We think it has been fomented by the very elites it has been aimed at. They WANT anti-Semitism.
They have created it historically. The evidence is entirely clear to anyone who looks, but to admit this means that the conspiracy cannot be blamed on a religion and must be put into a sociopolitical context.
M: As I have mentioned a few times already, anti-Zionist or anti-Talmudist feelings (I think the word anti-semitism doesn't make sense so I refrain from using it) have surface periodically in many countries over the last 2000 years, and "Talmud followers" (again, to make it very clear that I am talking about a religion/spiritual system, regardless of the "racial" or "ethnical" connotations) have been expelled from a number of countries over the same period, in some cases more than once. Not exactly the pattern of a modern "Anglosphere power elite" promotion...
DB: Memehunter - and you too, apparently - believe the top men of Anglosphere are observant Jews. We think they "use" religion to accomplish their ends.
M: I don't necessarily think so. I actually do not claim to know exactly what are the beliefs of the top members of the elite. It does seem to involve some Satanic practices in some cases, and there is a large proportion of self-described "Jews" or Zionists, who may or not be followers of the Babylonian Talmud. But I would add that it is also likely that some, or many, top members of the elites who are not self-described "Jews" also take part in some Satanic rituals.
DB: But somehow Memehunter, and so many others like him on the Internet, want to believe that here is ONE exception. In this ONE instance, religion predominates.
We think they USE religion. You and Memehunter believe they are OF it.
M: Not necessarily only one exception. There may be other occult spiritual practices among the elite. See answer above.
Also, on a related topic, and since the DB recently ran an article dealing with astrophysics, it is interesting to note that most of the modern concepts of physics and cosmology can be found in the Kabbalah and the Zohar. Note that, in saying this, I am not relying on Marshall Hall (of Fixed Earth fame) or similar Christian fundamentalists. Even defenders or promoters of the Kabbalah proudly say this. Have a look at the following:
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"Modern science proves many ancient Kabbalist teachings.
Kabbalism correctly anticipated many modern scientific concepts, including biological evolution and the big bang theory, more than 1800 years ago. The level of anticipation is astonishing. For thousands of years, Kabbalists have held a firm conviction that eventually the human race would make discoveries about the natural world which would verify or refute their remarkable explanations of the stories in scripture. It seems this conviction had been held some 3500 years before the first scientific verification of their teachings happened. Great perseverance, to say the least. In the scholarly community of the modern age, past ideas which have been verified my modern understanding are given a specific identifying term; anticipations. Over the past 500 or so years, a remarkable number of western scientific discoveries have occurred which appear to have been anticipated by Kabbalists for a long, long time. Below are listed some of the more astonishing anticipations of modern science to be found in Zohar... a book written over 1800 years ago!
Copernicus - Kabbalism never taught that the Earth was the physical center of the universe. We may be located at a point of spiritual nexus for the universe, but we're not located in the astrophysical center of it all. Kabbalism has also taught that the Earth spins about the Sun in the same way the Moon spins about the Earth. […]
Darwin - Kabbalists have always taught the concept of evolution, both in the progression of the universe and the development of living creatures, which so closely parallels Darwin it would be incorrect to say the respective ideas are in any way different. […]
The age of the Earth - Kabbalism has taught that the age of the Earth is so great that putting it in numbers of years, in accurate measurement, would be impossible. It is taught that we will never better than approximate the Earth's age. Darwin wrote exactly the same thing. They are both correct. Currently, science posits that the Earth is roughly 4,500,000,000 years old. […]
Evolution of life - Zohar states that living creatures came into being through a long process that began when Elohim made the "elements differentiate with powers of attraction and cohesion, and the power of repulsion" to form larger clusters. These basic clusters of the elements further grouped together to develop "the elaboration of forms and bodies" in an "evolutionary" process. All living things owe their existence to living things that came before them, and this process has been going on for too many years to accurately measure. Is this not precisely what Darwin told us?
Extinction - Kabbalism rejects the entire notion of species extinction. Rather, when the Earth's environment changes sufficiently, the forms of creatures naturally change in order to survive in the new environment. Zohar states "There is no annihilation" of species. This was also Darwin's opinion on the matter. […]
And, etc. - There are many, many more anticipations of Darwin to be found in Zohar, but these should give the reader a good idea of the high degree of similarity between Kabbalistic evolutionary theory and Darwin's evolutionary theory. […]
Big Bang - The incredibly precise anticipation of the Big Bang Theory to be found in Zohar's explanation of the creation story in Genesis is literally unbelievable. Believe it! It's there. All of it. Every step in Big Bang precisely corresponds to every step in the Zohar explication of Genesis, and vice versa. […]
Temporal theory - Kabbalism has never taught that time is the measure of change. Rather, we measure the operation of time in intervals of change. In other words, Kabbalists have always treated time as a force of nature. […]
It should also be noted that so far there does not seem to have been any scientific discovery which has refuted any scientific theory anticipated in Zohar! Utterly remarkable."
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Memehunter: Now, I guess there are two ways to interpret this. Either the rabbis who wrote the Kabbalah were pure geniuses who somehow anticipated modern science centuries ago, or somehow the Kabbalist viewpoint has taken over the entire scientific enterprise over the last few hundred years and transformed our view of the world to such an extent that what we take for 'modern science' is merely a rephrasing of ancient kabbalistic teachings. Either way, there is much food for thought here…
Reply from The Daily Bell
M: As I have mentioned a few times already, anti-Zionist or anti-Talmudist feelings (I think the word anti-semitism doesn't make sense so I refrain from using it) have surface periodically in many countries over the last 2000 years, and "Talmud followers" (again, to make it very clear that I am talking about a religion/spiritual system, regardless of the "racial" or "ethnical" connotations) have been expelled from a number of countries over the same period, in some cases more than once. Not exactly the pattern of a modern "Anglosphere power elite" promotion...
DB: Mafia-type organizations often overstay their welcome. So what?
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M: I don't necessarily think so. I actually do not claim to know exactly what are the beliefs of the top members of the elite. It does seem to involve some Satanic practices in some cases, and there is a large proportion of self-described "Jews" or Zionists, who may or not be followers of the Babylonian Talmud. But I would add that it is also likely that some, or many, top members of the elites who are not self-described "Jews" also take part in some Satanic rituals.
DB: You are confusing the act of worship with an internal, spiritual commitment. You do not know. You cannot know.
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Also, on a related topic, and since the DB recently ran an article dealing with astrophysics, it is interesting to note that most of the modern concepts of physics and cosmology can be found in the Kabbalah and the Zohar. Note that, in saying this, I am not relying on Marshall Hall (of Fixed Earth fame) or similar Christian fundamentalists. Even defenders or promoters of the Kabbalah proudly say this ... Now, I guess there are two ways to interpret this. Either the rabbis who wrote the Kabbalah were pure geniuses who somehow anticipated modern science centuries ago, or somehow the Kabbalist viewpoint has taken over the entire scientific enterprise over the last few hundred years and transformed our view of the world to such an extent that what we take for 'modern science' is merely a rephrasing of ancient kabbalistic teachings. Either way, there is much food for thought here…
DB: What does all of this mean? That there is a cartel/mafia-like power elite that has overtaken science and remade it in its own image? And this means what? That occult/religious practices are at work? Or that these religious elements are being USED for very specific reasons. We have argued the latter with good reason. History is replete with examples of religions CREATED by ruling classes for purposes of controlling those they supervise. No doubt you believe L. Ron Hubbard who created scientology believed in it as well.
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Why do you insist on tarring an entire race with the deeds of a few - who may only use the culture and religiosity as beard? It seems to us an excuse to blacken an entire race and to delegitimize those who wish to ask legitimate questions about what is going on. Make sure all major websites are seen as anti-semitic or UFO-oriented and then the elites don't even have to answer the hard questions.
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Posted by Agent Pete 8 on 12/11/11 03:14 AM
Here's the link Agent Weebley:
Click to view link~ogamhna/celt_chess.html
What is the great game called where all the pieces are kings and queens?
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Posted by Robnen on 12/11/11 02:26 AM
From Isaiah 60:5
'Then you will see and be radiant,
And your heart will thrill and rejoice;
Because the abundance of the sea will be turned to you,
The wealth of the nations will come to you.
6'A multitude of camels will cover you,
The young camels of Midian and Ephah;
All those from Sheba will come;
They will bring gold and frankincense,
And will bear good news of the praises of the LORD.
7'All the flocks of Kedar will be gathered together to you,
The rams of Nebaioth will minister to you;
They will go up with acceptance on My altar,
And I shall glorify My glorious house.
8'Who are these who fly like a cloud
And like the doves to their lattices?
9'Surely the coastlands will wait for Me;
And the ships of Tarshish will come first,
To bring your sons from afar,
Their silver and their gold with them,
For the name of the LORD your God,
And for the Holy One of Israel because He has glorified you.
10'Foreigners will build up your walls,
And their kings will minister to you;
For in My wrath I struck you,
And in My favor I have had compassion on you.
11'Your gates will be open continually;
They will not be closed day or night,
So that men may bring to you the wealth of the nations,
With their kings led in procession.
12'For the nation and the kingdom which will not serve you will perish,
And the nations will be utterly ruined.
Judaism, and semitic religions in general, are full of this kind of creepy nonsense. Christ's teachings do seem to be the most benign of the three, even though it wasn't always so by those who practiced it. What's really even more disturbing, is that there is no shortage of white goyim who believe this insanity and are intent on making it self-fulfilling prophecy. The evangelicals in the U.S. and the political whores who suck up to them and the jewish zionist lobbies are among them.
I am not very optimistic about the DB's much vaunted "internet revolution" being able to stem the tide of these people's plans. They're insane, but they're criminally ingenious at the same time, while the masses are mere manipulable asses. I hope I'm proven wrong.
Reply from The Daily Bell
You need to get your facts straight.
Never, anywhere have we written the Internet would "stem the tide." We've repeatedly said it "may" cause the powers-that-be to "take a step back."
As far spirituality, goes, we have a difference of opinion with Memehunter and the entire Conspiracy Industry. We think it has been fomented by the very elites it has been aimed at. They WANT anti-Semitism.
They have created it historically. The evidence is entirely clear to anyone who looks, but to admit this means that the conspiracy cannot be blamed on a religion and must be put into a sociopolitical context.
Memehunter - and you too, apparently - believe the top men of Anglosphere are observant Jews. We think they "use" religion to accomplish their ends.
Heck, they may even write it. Whats's the evidence? The evidence is the Mafia-way. No mafia in the world is built on an inwardly religious/spiritual tradition.
But somehow Memehunter, and so many others like him on the Internet, want to believe that here is ONE exception. In this ONE instance, religion predominates.
We think they USE religion. You and Memehunter believe they are OF it.
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Posted by Agent Weebley on 12/11/11 01:19 AM
Hi Robert Eastman,
Reading your post was a Kodak moment for me.
Would that be a Celtic Chess game, by any chance? In that game, there is only 1 king.
Click to view link~ogamhna/celt_chess.html
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Posted by memehunter on 12/11/11 12:50 AM
M: In fact, it seems that Cameron withdrew from the treaty to protect the City of London's interests. At least, this is a common interpretation in German-speaking newspapers. Thus, it is possible that the recent events highlight the fact that there may be more than one faction among the top power elites.
Just to provide some quotes to support my point:
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"Auch öffentlich hatte Cameron immer wieder diesen strategischen Punkt angesprochen. Die Londoner City war für ihn nie verhandelbar. Dieser Finanzplatz erwirtschaftet elf Prozent des jährlichen Bruttoinlandsprodukts und spült umgerechnet 60 Milliarden Euro in die Kassen des Fiskus, 1,3 Millionen Menschen sind dort beschäftigt. Die sollen weiterarbeiten - am besten genauso wie bisher."
Google-Translation:
"Cameron had also publicly addressed again this strategic point. The City of London for him was never negotiable. This financial center generates eleven percent of the annual gross domestic product and flushes the equivalent of 60 billion euros into the coffers of the treasury, 1.3 million people are employed there. They should continue to work - just like the best so far."
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Was David Cameron vollkommen abgeht, ist britischer Humor. Sein Auftritt beim EU-Gipfel in Brüssel konnte nicht einmal mit einem bewundernd-resignativen Lächeln begleitet werden, sondern nur mit blankem Entsetzen. Der Eindruck, dieser Regierungschef sei Bestandteil des Europäischen Rates, entstand erst gar nicht. Hier saß bloß ein Finanz-Lobbyist der Londoner City.
Google-Translation (not ideal, but you get the idea):
What David Cameron is completely lacking, British humor. His appearance at the EU summit in Brussels could not even be accompanied with a resigned smile admiringly, but only with sheer horror. The impression that this prime minister is part of the European Council was the first place. Here sat a mere financial lobbyist for the City of London.
Denn nun ist es noch klarer als zuvor, dass die Regulierungen des Finanzmarktes - inklusive Finanztransaktionssteuer - auf europäischer Ebene eingeführt werden. Wenn die Londoner City nur deshalb Finanzzentrum ist, weil sie dafür ein Steuer-Paradies erschuf, dann hat sie ihre Berechtigung verloren. Wenn die britische Wirtschaft ohne Finanzindustrie in die Rezession stürzt, dann stimmt etwas nicht an der Wirtschaftspolitik des Landes. Das EU-Parlament ist durchaus aufgerufen, eine institutionalisierte "Occupy London"-Bewegung zu werden.
Google-Translation:
or now it is even clearer than before, that the regulation of financial markets - including financial transactions tax - will be introduced at European level. If the City of London financial district is only because they created for a tax paradise, then it has lost its justification. If the British economy falls into recession without financial industry, there's something wrong on the economic policy of the country. The EU Parliament is certainly called to be an institutionalized "Occupy London" movement.
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To be fair, the DB did address this point:
"Britain's top men supposedly made the decision to leave in order to ward off regulatory attacks against its financial services industry. Do you believe that? Britain's been moving toward the Union for decades.
What is more likely is that a tipping point was finally reached. Had Britain's political class followed its instincts and handed over the last vestiges of sovereignty to the EU, it might have faced open rebellion at home. It was, therefore, a bridge too far ... "
The question is, what should we believe? Is Cameron merely a lackey for the City of London, or is he actually making a political calculation and trying to save his own popularity at home? Or is it a bit of both?
More importantly, could it be possible that the new EU regulations are actually going against the wishes of the City of London (and how can this be, if the Anglosphere actually controls the elites behind the EU?)? Maybe FOFOA is onto something after all. Many unanswered questions remain...
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Posted by speedygonzales on 12/11/11 12:48 AM
Basicaly I agree with DB and their view on internet. At least Jay Rocky exposed it in US congres: Internet should have never exist.
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I watched this video X-times. Jay is OK. He is promoting agenda of status quo where he and his family make succes.
I pay attention to idiots who listen him. I do not know their names, but they are real idiots. Watch their faces. They loox like they understand somethin'. Next day I wrote on youtube: powerstations R not controled over internet and banx can simply turn switch off. They R private corps and it is their business to make business not mine.
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Posted by speedygonzales on 12/11/11 12:28 AM
The story started long time b4 500 years ago
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Posted by speedygonzales on 12/11/11 12:25 AM
Gr8 article. At least move conspiracy out of Rothschilds and jewish bankers. Still missin' somethin'. Crusades. What word crusades awoke in Y'LL brain. It did in mine that crusades were organized to freeing Jesus's grave. Right? What's about Northern crusades? Click to view link
Who's grave is there? No grave. Just money and the power, power and the money.
It started 1147 Click to view link
There is 2 Prussia's Click to view link
Finaly they got war Click to view link
And The New Prussia change to protestantism. They simply broke accord with Vatican
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Posted by memehunter on 12/11/11 12:16 AM
Glenne1949:
'Here you make another attempt to explain that somehow over thousands of years there has been some organized superhuman entity, the powers that be, forcing mankind into one world government.
Starting when? The Tower of Babel? How can this be except through some superhuman spiritual force, maintaining that interest, manipulating history, and existing that long in attempting to accomplish that purpose?'
Robert Eastman:
'Does anyone else, besides me, believe that the events happening on this planet we call Earth is nothing more than a great big "Chess Match" being played out between the spiritual forces of "Good and Evil?"
Many folks wonder how a "conspiracy" can be sustained over hundreds, even thousands of years. Logic dictates that it's impossible if only "human flesh, blood and intellect are involved... but when one considers "spiritual forces" beyond the physical realm... then "anything is possible!'
Memehunter: Although my views are not necessarily aligned with those of Bible-followers, I am glad to see this point raised by two feedbackers here on the DB. I have argued for a while now that it is very likely that there is an ideological/spiritual/religious component to the one-world conspiracy. Whether or not one believes in 'superhuman entities' or 'spiritual forces beyond the physical realm', it is indeed very hard to believe that a centuries-old conspiracy is not guided by some deep spiritually-based principles (however one might want to define that 'spirituality') that act as guiding anchors and provide a long-term teleological structure to the conspiracy.
The DB has so far steadfastly refused to entertain this idea and has attempted to ridicule me (and others) for making this point, but it is an idea that can't be brushed off so easily in my opinion.
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Posted by josejoe on 12/10/11 10:53 PM
one wonders about the predictors of coming violent events, right down to the day and almost hour. so many have come and gone since the beginning of recorded time. so many wrong. of course one may be right. and the winner is... ... ... ..? and that is entertainment folks!!
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Posted by NAPpy on 12/10/11 07:13 PM
This site provides an explanation for gravity, as well as tying together a conceptual framework that solves the problems of general relativity with quantum physics.
Click to view link
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Posted by tawny on 12/10/11 06:07 PM
Another very good article, Mr. Wile, hardly a thing there I can disagree with and an excellent summary and overview. I don't give such positive marks very readily, and it is not just flattery. I really like this website - thanks for creating it and for your great articles and guests. I also appreciate your always courteous tone and conduct. Sets a great example, encourages participation.
About England backing out, I have no opinion there. Not sure what to make of it. Maybe you are right - the masses actually have a 'critical mass' point at which they must be heeded.
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