OK, I will address my reply to DB/Abu Aardvark (is it one and the same thing?):

"But like so many others you would rather argue for authoritarian measures than for free-markets. Even worse, you obviously believe in using Leviathan to ban practices of which you do not approve.

You have then indicated that you wish to use force to eradicate market phenomena of which you disapprove. It apparently escapes you that this is itself an authoritarian construct."

Could you please find where I wrote that (exact quote, please)? I wish you good luck...

As for your (DB) suggestions regarding a private gold/silver standard, you probably read that Bischoff also has serious doubts about it (especially how it would be implemented).

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M: OK, I will address my reply to DB/Abu Aardvark (is it one and the same thing?):

DB: It bothers you to address more than one at a time? Or are you floating another conspiracy theory, such as the one in which you were sure we were in some sense (at some point deep in your paranoia) manipulating your keyboard.

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M: "But like so many others you would rather argue for authoritarian measures than for free-markets. Even worse, you obviously believe in using Leviathan to ban practices of which you do not approve.You have then indicated that you wish to use force to eradicate market phenomena of which you disapprove. It apparently escapes you that this is itself an authoritarian construct." Could you please find where I wrote that (exact quote, please)? I wish you good luck...

DB: You write of AA ... "I recently saw that you are also an apologist for compound interest and the global enslavement of the people by banks." This is an incredible statement. Let the market decide on the rates and volume of money. This escapes you, just as the idea that no ALL Jews are responsible for the evil actions of a tiny elite. You are like a metronome.

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M: As for your (DB) suggestions regarding a private gold/silver standard, you probably read that Bischoff also has serious doubts about it (especially how it would be implemented).

DB: What does Bischoff have to do with anything? We are simply referring to historical facts. There is no question about bimetallism. It existed. It worked. We believe in a free-market-based economy, he does not, or not fully. That is the basis of DB. Sorry you don't see it even after hundreds of feedbacks. Curious.

@DB: I thought I was responding to Abu Aardvark, not to the elves.

DB is now responding for Abu Aardvark and telling others to leave him alone...

Anyway, maybe it doesn't matter in the end...

If you are suggesting that these quotes are fake, you should provide some evidence. Please give the specific quote, and explain why you think it is a fake. There are quite a few of them, so I suspect you'll have your work cut out for you.

As for your other points, the fact that "Jews" (again, I suggest using Talmudists/Pharisaists to clarify that I am talking about an ideology) practiced usury for centuries is not a "meme"; it is attested historically.

Myself, I don't quite like the track record of the Zionist Money Power over the last century (or perhaps two or three centuries). But perhaps it is to your taste.

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A few questions for you now: do you see yourself as an apologist for Zionism? Do you think it is unfair to mention Zionism so "persistently" when discussing the globalists' agenda? Do you see Zionists as "victims"?

Do you think that these historical figures and these alternative media pundits are all mistaken, taken by a "modern Anglosphere elite promotion"?

I recently saw that you are also an apologist for compound interest and the global enslavement of the people by banks. How do you explain that?

All in all, it sounds like you need to tell us more about your own ideology. Though, come to think of it, perhaps I can already intuit what I need to know...

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M: A few questions for you now: do you see yourself as an apologist for Zionism? Do you think it is unfair to mention Zionism so "persistently" when discussing the globalists' agenda? Do you see Zionists as "victims"?

DB: A Zionist in common parlance is someone who wished to establish the state of Israel. You persistently refuse to explain the antecedents of the word Zionism. This is because you cannot. The question does not make sense.

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M: Do you think that these historical figures and these alternative media pundits are all mistaken, taken by a "modern Anglosphere elite promotion"?

DB: So you produce quotes that speak in aggregate of evil Jews and you expect to make a serious argument that these quotes can serve as historical markers for an entire people. You claim you are not anti-Jew but quote statements that blacken an entire race. You are a walking contradiction. You don't find this a bit, well ... racist?

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M: I recently saw that you are also an apologist for compound interest and the global enslavement of the people by banks. How do you explain that?

DB: An apologist for compound interest! This is laughable. There are people who believe in the marketplace and people who do not. In as normal marketplaces, absent the current ruinous system, interest rates would likely resolve themselves into viable carrying costs. But like so many others you would rather argue for authoritarian measures than for free-markets. Even worse, you obviously believe in using Leviathan to ban practices of which you do not approve. Perhaps you need to re-examine your assumptions.

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M: All in all, it sounds like you need to tell us more about your own ideology. Though, come to think of it, perhaps I can already intuit what I need to know...

DB: In just a few, ill-considered feedbacks on this thread, you have a re-affirmed your position as one who wishes to tar all Jews with the abysmal actions of an elite ("Jewish") "mafia." You generalize to make specific points but somehow it escapes you that this is the rhetoric of racism. You have then indicated that you wish to use force to eradicate market phenomena of which you disapprove. It apparently escapes you that this is itself an authoritarian construct. We look forward to your further "instruction."

For the first part of your comment (before the questions): you are simply parroting the DB. Not worthy of my attention and already covered before. I will only note that you seem to find the career path of Mr. Blitzer and many others like him perfectly normal. Again, nothing to see here, move along...

OK, your questions:

1. How do you define a "Zionist"?

I define Zionism as an ideology, and Zionists as followers of that ideology. You can see the definitions I picked from Douglas Reed and Jack Bernstein (I quoted them on the DB in one of my numerous feedbacks).

2. a) Are all "Zionists", as defined by you, part of the OneWorldCentralBankingPonziConspiracy?

2. b) Given the vast number of "Zionists", by whatever definition, how is that possible?

a) No idea. b) N/A.

3. Is "Zionism", therefore, THE PROBLEM NR. 1?

Definitely a very important one, as it appears to be one of the most important ideologies of the globalists, so it is probably important to understand Zionism in order to understand the modus operandi of the current elites and their goals.

4. Do you have any suggestion as to how to solve the problem?

Yes. Educate people. Let them know how the world really works. I'm doing my part (btw, I thank the DB for letting me do this here, even though we don't agree on this topic and some others).

5. Are the Daily Bell Staffers covert "Zionist" gatekeepers?

You should ask them or make your own judgment.

6. Am I, accordingly, too blind/stupid/in denial to see that?

I don't know you.

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"I will only note that you seem to find the career path of Mr. Blitzer and many others like him perfectly normal. Again, nothing to see here, move along... "

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Again? What do you mean "again." DB picked up and posted a video that directly identified AIPAC as being part of Blitzer's background. Your idea that we need to further elaborate on it is nonsense. Not even credible from a journalistic standpoint. The point of the article was to show how the use of the phrase "Zionism" gave Blitzer numerous rhetorical opportunities to brand Duke as a racist. And he did. Or at least repeatedly attempted to. That was what we were after. That's what we reported on. Blitzer could have been a door-stop or talking potted plant. It was not his background that made a difference but his rhetoric. That escapes you of course. We're not surprised.

As to your definitions, we repeat, the use of Zionism as YOU use it is much like a word used by Humpty Dumpty: "It means what I say it means."

Use the word "mafia," even "Jewish Mafia" to describe the one-world banking clique and people will understand. Use the word "Zionist" and people will give you a blank look. Then you can explain it. And explain it. And explain it ...

MH: "Somehow I don't think that these men were influenced by the Bible, if they even knew about it... (... ) CICERO (Marcus Tullius Cicero) ... SENECA ... DIO CASSIUS ... DIODORUS SICULUS. ...

AA: First, I agree with the DB that, "whatever could be said by the "ancients" as regards the Jews could be said with equal sincerity about the vicious Roman polity. Or the Chinese political class. Or the American one for that matter."

Second, apart from this very obvious issue, there's another one, even more important in my view. To give you a hint as to what I'm trying to say, I repeat my earlier question: Could these writings (the Bible) have had some influence on the thinking of one "world famous men" or another?

Now, WHO transcribed the works of these Romans? WHO "reconstructed" speeches, essays, letters? WHO reigned, literally, over these writings for centuries?

"Subsequent Roman writers quoted liberally from his (Cicero's) works "De re publica" (On The Republic) and "De Legibus" (On The Laws), and much of his work has been recreated from these surviving fragments"

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So, to return to your first objection, that you "don't think that these men (Cicero and so on) were influenced by the Bible, if they even knew about it... ":

I doesn't matter, memehunter, if they were influenced by the Bible, or if the even knew about it. Christian authorities, popes, monasteries, monks had more than 1.500 years to do with these ancient writings as they saw fit. Given their track record, for centuries, regarding suppression of natural sciences, tribal culture and history, political machinations and manipulation/falsification even of their OWN supposedly "HOLY BOOK", it seems highly unlikely to me, that they would not have used this position to reinforce some memes about the very people who they blamed so persistently for the crucifixion of the "Son of God".

alexsemen: "It is obvious who you are !"

AA: Well, who am I, then? Somehow you forgot to finish that crucial sentence, dude.

alexsemen: "Denial against all evidences it is abolutelly insanity !"

AA: WHAT evidence, exactly, proving WHAT, exactly?

alexsemen: "But be sure, the truth comes up as oil on water , doesn't mother how much you try to hide the truth !"

AA: HOW and by doing WHAT, do/did I hide WHAT thruth, exactly?

alexsemen: "I know your way to say only lies and ,manipulate peoples"

AA: WHERE do/did I "lie", about WHAT, and WHERE and HOW du/did I "manipulate peoples" to WHAT end?

MH: "Now, wait a minute, you are the one who said I'm "bonkers" or "nuts"."

AA: In fact, I wrote, "MAYBE you're simply going bonkers. To utter such a statement in the face of the staggering amount of truth-searching/telling in these "modest pages" SEEMS plain nuts to me."

That may sound like the same thing to you. It is not. Anyway, I stand by what I wrote. Look, I read at least 100 of your feedbacks regarding "Zionism". You "suspect" something fishy going on with them "Zionists" for ages apparently. Yet you clearly demonstrated that you cannot/will not articulate WHOM, exactly, you're accusing of WHAT, exactly.

MH: "I don't see how the DB articles you linked explain the Zionist domination of the media (on the contrary, they present it as a modern elite promotion of the Anglosphere)."

AA: Guess what? I DO. And I cannot think of anything I read, ever, being so clear and precise about the WHO, WHAT AND HOW - Think religion and "clanship" as TOOLS of those who demonstrably do NOT care for their kin when push comes to shove, but rather USE them as levers ... just like they USE their ultimate, most vital tool: the STATE.

MH: "so I'm not sure what you are trying to tell me."

AA: I think it's the other way round, actually. As mentioned above: After reading all those comments of yours in this matter I still have no idea what you REALLY think and what you're trying to say.

So, again, some questions:

How do you define a "Zionist"?

Are all "Zionists", as defined by you, part of the OneWorldCentralBankingPonziConspiracy?

Given the vast number of "Zionists", by whatever definition, how is that possible?

Is "Zionism", therefore, THE PROBLEM NR. 1?

Do you have any suggestion as to how to solve the problem?

Are the Daily Bell Staffers covert "Zionist" gatekeepers?

Am I, accordingly, too blind/stupid/in denial to see that?


Regards,

AA

DB: And you are trying to make serious points by quoting the opinions of historical figures out of any context or history. What is the point?

That's funny, I seem to recall that it was Abu Aardvark who, earlier, quoted the opinion of a historical figure (Keynes), and the DB found it quite interesting. Now you have changed your mind. Perhaps the DB elves can explain why...

Here is my guess: because I clearly show, through these quotes, that this awareness about Zionism (or its ideological predecessors) is very ancient and widespread, and most definitely not a "modern promotion of the Anglosphere elite". Also, judging from the list of historical figures, people who expressed this awareness belonged to widely different political or religious persuasions, making it difficult to argue that this viewpoint was only shared by extremists or by people who were "mentally challenged".

That was my point.

Abu Aardvak:

It is obvious who you are !

Denial against all evidences it is abolutelly insanity !

Insanity means degeneration. Dixit !

Could not be changed ! But be sure, the truth comes up as oil on water , doesn't mother how much you try to hide the truth !

I know your way to say only lies and ,manipulate peoples .

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Let Aardvak alone. He is very helpful.

Somehow I don't think that these men were influenced by the Bible, if they even knew about it...

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CICERO (Marcus Tullius Cicero). First century B.C. Roman stateman, writer.

"Softly! Softly! I want none but the judges to hear me. The Jews have already gotten me into a fine mess, as they have many other gentleman. I have no desire to furnish further grist for their mills." (Oration in Defense of Flaccus)


Cicero was serving as defense counsel at the trial of Flaccus, a Roman official who interfered with Jewish gold shipments to their international headquarters (then, as now) in Jerusalem. Cicero himself certainly was not a nobody, and for one of this stature to have to "speak softly" shows that he was in the presence of a dangerously powerful sphere of influence.
and on another occasion Cicero wrote:

"The Jews belong to a dark and repulsive force. One knows how numerous this clique is, how they stick together and what power they exercise through their unions. They are a nation of rascals and deceivers."

SENECA (Lucius Annaeus Seneca). First century Roman philosopher.

"The customs of that most criminal nation have gained such strength that they have now been received in all lands. The conquered have given laws to the conquerors." (De Superstitione)


DIO CASSIUS. Second century Roman historian. Describing the savage Jewish uprising against the Roman empire that has been acknowledged as the turning point downward in the course of that great state-form:

"The Jews were destroying both Greeks and Romans. They ate the flesh of their victims, made belts for themselves out of their entrails, and daubed themselves with their blood... In all, 220,000 men perished in Cyrene and 240,000 in Cyprus, and for this reason no Jew may set foot in Cyprus today." (Roman History)

DIODORUS SICULUS. First century Greek historian.Observed that Jews treated other people as enemies and inferiors.

"Usury" is the practice of lending money at excessive interest rates. This has for centuries caused great misery and poverty for Gentiles. It has brought strong condemnation of the Jews!

[Abu, this quote by Diodorus Siculus may be relevant in light of our discussion on the Anthony Migchels' thread... ]

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Oh, come on. Whatever could be said by the "ancients" as regards the Jews could be said with equal sincerity about the vicious Roman polity. Or the Chinese political class. Or the American one for that matter. You are conflating some Jews with all Jews (the thing you always deny). And you are trying to make serious points by quoting the opinions of historical figures out of any context or history. What is the point?

"In case you need help on this topic ... try to explain why all these historical figures said these vile things ... over the last 2000 years"

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2000 years, eh? Tell me, memehunter, when was that big book called "Bible" written? What does the book say about them "Jews"? Could these writings have had some influence on the thinking of one "world famous men" or another?

Now, wait a minute, you are the one who said I'm "bonkers" or "nuts". I did not insult you.

I don't see how the DB articles you linked explain the Zionist domination of the media (on the contrary, they present it as a modern elite promotion of the Anglosphere).

As for your other series of links, you may have overlooked the fact that I already pointed out that they are Jews who are against Zionism (I guess I may actually count as one of them... ), so I'm not sure what you are trying to tell me.

DB: We present a video that explains Blitzer's background and you accuse DB of covering it up!

@DB: I mentioned that you should have pointed out explicitly in the article that Blitzer worked for AIPAC, that's it. Instead, you wrote that he is a Zionist "from David Duke's point of view", which I found somewhat tendentious - hey, I may have been wrong but I will admit that I don't trust the DB when it comes to Zionism (I think everyone knows this at this point... ). That's it. Nothing more to it.

I will note that although you responded politely, you have not addressed directly (only indirectly) the other issues I mentioned. You may wish to point out that Zionism is a problematic term (I don't think it is when it is properly defined), but I will reply that "Anglosphere power elites" is a problematic term as well (you will reply that you have provided a detailed definition of the term). We've been there before.

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with "Mafia" but, apart from the fact that it doesn't tell the whole truth, I don't see why we should push the ideological ramifications under the rug just becuse it offends the sensitivities of the PC crowd.

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DB: We present a video that explains Blitzer's background and you accuse DB of covering it up!

M: I mentioned that you should have pointed out explicitly in the article that Blitzer worked for AIPAC, that's it. Instead, you wrote that he is a Zionist "from David Duke's point of view", which I found somewhat tendentious - hey, I may have been wrong but I will admit that I don't trust the DB when it comes to Zionism (I think everyone knows this at this point... ). That's it. Nothing more to it.

DB: Again, you set yourself up as some sort of Solomonic purveyer of Jewish Truth. WE POSTED A VIDEO IN WHICH THIS POINT WAS CLEARLY MADE. it is absolutely ludicrous for you (in the process of making some sort of veiled accusation) to insist it is not only our responsibility to post the video but to delineate it to your satisfaction. What rot.

You don't "trust" DB when it comes to Zionism, eh. We've been very clear. We don't understand the term except as it applies to people who want a Jewish state. When we wrote "from Duke's point of view" we were adopting terminology of people like you, with whom we disagree.

Zionism? What does it mean? What are its antecedents? You cannot show them. You've tried in literally over 100 posts. can only sling insults.

We know what's going on. The power elite resembles a mafia. That its antecedents are ancient doesn't change its basic structure. In fact, we've never denied its ancient nature.

Next, you will argue that mafias/cartels are modern phenomenons and that they do not exist through time. The Travelers operate in much the same manner however, and that's just one example.

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M: There's nothing fundamentally wrong with "Mafia" but, apart from the fact that it doesn't tell the whole truth, I don't see why we should push the ideological ramifications under the rug just becuse it offends the sensitivities of the PC crowd.

DB: Again the insinuations. What is wrong with Mafia or "Jewish Mafia" or "Jewish cartel?" It is not sufficiently broad for you. You secretly wish to tar all Jews with the brush the evil you perceive.

And what is the "truth?" Is it the truth that dare not speak its name? What is it? Out with it. Don't be bashful.

"Has the DB tried to explain how is it that people like Wolf Blitzer go from AIPAC lobbyist to multiple-award CNN news anchor"

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Well, actually they have ... extensively ... exhaustively ... you name it. Here are just a few:

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Now, memehunter, what is it that you're trying to tell me? That all "Zionists" are part of the One-World-Conspiracy? That, oh boy, the Bell Staffers are covert "Zionist" gatekeepers? That I'm too blind/stupid/in denial to see that, and also that "Zionism" is THE problem Nr. 1?

IT IS, btw, FOR THE JEWS, at the end of the day ...

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... doesn't make any sense to put your people (Jews) in harms way - and I'm not only talking about the creation of Israel - when your alleged goal is to put them "first", now does it?

In case you need help on this topic...

What world famous men said about the Jews:
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[Disclaimer from Memehunter: they said it, not me, I don't necessarily agree with the contents, don't shoot the messenger and so on. Yes, the "Franklin prophecy" is probably a fake but as you will see, there is no shortage of quotes or famous men uttering them, from practically all political persuasions or religious views, and from a variety of countries, over the last 2000 years. Oh, and by the way, I'm sure we could find a few more if we looked... ]

Abu, you may have unwittingly opened Pandora's box here. As an exercise for you or the DB elves: try to explain why all these historical figures said these vile things (Warning: the answer "it's a modern meme created by the Anglosphere" gets 0 points - OK, I'll be generous and give you half a point).

Nonsense, eh? Has the DB tried to explain how is it that people like Wolf Blitzer go from AIPAC lobbyist to multiple-award CNN news anchor (and he is of course not the only one to have a comparable career path - minus perhaps the stint at AIPAC, although even there we can find similarities)?

"Blitzer has won awards including the 2004 Journalist Pillar of Justice Award from the Respect for Law Alliance and the 2003 Daniel Pearl Award from the Chicago Press Veterans Association. His news team was among those awarded a George Foster Peabody Award for coverage of Hurricane Katrina, an Alfred I. DuPont Award for coverage of the 1999 Southeast Asian tsunami, and an Edward R. Murrow Award for CNN's coverage of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks."


As I said, nothing to see here, move along... Don't think too much about it, Abu...

I fully agree with asparagui, that the DB's analogy to the mafia is enlightening and disarming. I intend to use it, and drop 'Zionism' from my lexicon. Using the term mafia makes great sense; how else do you group Wilson, Churchill, FDR, Truman, Obama, Bush, Morgenthau, Marshall, Eisenhower, Volcker, et al? They are all clearly folks who sold their soul for power and money, and use(d) any and all means to defend their positions of power.

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Thank you. This is the point we're trying to make. Look at the interview. Blitzer makes your point to Duke and Duke's comeback is basically that the people you mention are "controlled" by Zionists. Now you've got people who participated in a movement to create Israel controlling all these other powerful people!

The whole narrative kinda turns to mush. After all, what does establishing a state of Israel have to do with the American Federal Reserve? The descriptions are wrong in our view. The language is incendiary rather than descriptive. And many people are apt to be left ... more confused than ever. Oh, well. We could go on. In fact we have ....

"Note the litany of awards received by Mr. Blitzer. Compare this with the mainstream media's treatment of Mr. Duke (wasn't he arrested recently?).

Nothing to see here, move along... The DB elves would not want its readers to think too much about that, it does not fit with their story... "

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Sorry to say, memehunter, but maybe you're simply going bonkers. To utter such a statement in the face of the staggering amount of truth-searching/telling in these "modest pages" seems plain nuts to me.

No offense! But I cannot think of any other explanation for this nonsense.

DB: "Of course, people who insinuate that ALL Jews are responsible for the actions of this "Jewish" cartel would certainly be considered racist. "

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Not always, elves ... there IS and remains the factor of WHO is doing (or has done) the "insinuating", apparently ...


"[Jews] have in them deep-rooted instincts that are antagonistic and therefore repulsive to the European, and their presence among us is a living example of the insurmountable difficulties that exist in merging race characteristics, in making cats love dogs …

It is not agreeable to see civilization so under the ugly thumbs of its impure Jews who have all the money and the power and brains."

Now, WHO said that, eh?

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So John Maynard Keynes was viciously anti-Jew. Interesting.

Wolf Blitzer: From AIPAC Lobbyist to CNN's Chief News Anchor

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According to "johnneiffer", who uploaded this video, "Blitzer's career is a representative example of the well-engineered process through which the U.S. national government and its mass media have been hijacked and held hostage by AIPAC & supporters of the apartheid Zionist regime of ethnic cleansing."

The video also shows excerpts from a demonstration of Jews (including rabbis) opposed to Zionism. This is important because it shows that, according to Jews themselves (whatever a Jew is - I agree with DB on that), a distinction should be made between Zionism and Judaism.

Of course, I have tried repeatedly to make this distinction here (explaining that Zionism is an ideology, that there are Christian Zionists and non-Zionist Jews, and so on... ), but I was told that I was a "racist".

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You make the claim you were labelled a "racist" because you attempted to explain that there are Christian Zionists as well as Jewish ones. Ridiculous.

Of course, people who insinuate that ALL Jews are responsible for the actions of this "Jewish" cartel would certainly be considered racist.

That's just what "they" want after all. They WANT anti-semitism. They've spent a good deal of time cultivating it. Use the term "Zionism" - which implies Jew to most people - and you likely do what "they" wish.