Can You Protect Democracy by Destroying Free Speech?
By The Daily Bell Staff - February 20, 2018

Political retribution for free speech is not a conspiracy theory. It happened. The IRS targeted people who donated to nonprofits for limited government causes.

So you can understand why certain donors to non-profits want to keep their identities hidden. A non-profit sued the state of New York arguing that regulations requiring non-profits to disclose their donors create a “climate of fear” that could chill free speech.

But the court rejected their argument. They ruled nonprofits must disclose their donors.

“An individual who seeks to advance a cause might reasonably hesitate knowing that an officer of the state will see that they have done so….But totalitarian tendencies do not lurk behind every instance of a state’s collection of information about those within its jurisdiction,” Judge Rosemary Pooler wrote.

So the judge admits that this regulation could deter free speech, but approves of it anyway.

Totalitarian tendencies don’t have to lurk behind every government collection of information. It is enough that government officials could and have abused their power under these regulations.

People argue political speech in the form of donations must be regulated to protect democracy. But this necessarily comes down to destroying free speech. You can’t control what people and businesses can say through advertising, articles, and social media without infringing on free speech.

It is the same sentiment in the Russia probe. Free speech on social media networks is dangerous because some “bad actors” can game the system to their advantage.

Critics are speaking out against using endorsements such as “likes” and “retweets” to surface content on social media platforms. The criticism comes in light of special counsel Robert Mueller’s indictment Friday, which cited Facebook more than any other platform as a tool used for Russian meddling.

…it’s becoming obvious that gaming social engagement was a part of the Russian’s strategy and will be something Facebook will need to address moving forward.

Just because some people use free speech for nefarious purposes does not mean the solution is regulating free speech.

Democracy is influenced by money. That isn’t going to change. Infringing on free speech may very well adjust how democracy is influenced by money. The government could decide who the winners and losers will be with their restrictive regulations.

That makes it easier for those in power to stay in power, and limit challenges from the outside.

But rest assured that money is not going away from politics. That is the whole problem with the political structure. It is not based on the consent of the governed. A majority can force their will on a minority with their votes. The influence isn’t the root of the problem, the system is.

Influence is for sale. You don’t have to appeal to customers or satisfy investors. You just have to win the votes. And anyone with any knowledge of advertising knows that the more money you have, the easy it is to influence the target.

Just think of the prize those Russian agents have won if their tiny meddling in election advertising limits freedom of speech for all Americans. Any regulations that come out of the “Russian influence” probe will be a victory for Russia, and a loss for America.

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  • Don Duncan

    I don’t hold democracy as sacred. Democracy is mob rule. I don’t want to be ruled by anyone. Telling me it’s ok because the majority chose my ruler doesn’t make it ok, even if that were possible, which I doubt. The majority are told they are represented. That doesn’t make it so. The politician claims to represent all. That’s obviously absurd because we hold many conflicting ideas.

    In the worldwide political paradigm which grants a monopoly of violence to a few it is possible for all to suffer and no one be represented. I can’t imagine a worse system. And yet it prevails. And the victims ignore the tragedy and defend it.

    Sometimes I think I’m living in an insane asylum.

    • jackw97224

      Heh, heh, heh…sad but true. Welcome to the “home.”

  • r2bzjudge

    “It is the same sentiment in the Russia probe. Free speech on social media networks is dangerous because some “bad actors” can game the system to their advantage.”

    The mainstream media news networks are gaming the system to their advantage. MSM bad actors colluded with the Hillary campaign, against Trump. That is anti democratic.

    The Democratic Party is anti democratic. Super delegates violate the will of the party majority. There was collusion by the DNC and Hillary campaign to prevent Sanders from being the party nominee.

    Free speech on the internet actually levels the playing field. It prevents the Leftist Agenda MSM from controlling the narrative. People have access to the truth, rather than being forced to depend on MSM Fake News.

    It recently came out that there was a journa-list of leftist “journalists” who were actively working together to promote Obama in their media, when he ran for President. The MSM are part of the real danger to democracy. CNN treated the republican debates differently than the democratic debates. As Trump correctly noted in one debate, it was 3 against 1- Hillary and the 2 leftist MSM moderators, against him.

    The leftist MSM and leftist Democratic Party are perpetrating a false narrative that free speech on social media are a threat to democracy. It is the leftists that are a threat to democracy.

    • jackw97224

      Amerika is being destroyed from within by commie/socialists, by “statists” just as was predicted long ago. The snowflakes, SJWs, Demon-Kraits are just plain wicked. Oh, and yes, lots of Republicrats a fall in this band of evil brothers.

  • Gary

    I never ceased to be amazed at all the people & politicians who refer to the US as a democracy. WE ARE NOT! We are a Constitutional Republic. Our founders stated that a democracy was one of the worst forms of government. It is nothing short of mob rule.

    • r2bzjudge

      Even republicans refer to democracy.

      We do have mob rule. The majority of 9 politically biased justices determine what is constitutional or not.

      • Gary

        Yes, both Trump and Hillary in the same debate, when they were running for Prez, called us a democracy! Amen on the justices!

      • Varangian Guard

        For 8 years the country was entirely focused on segments of the population that number 12% or less. Many were <1%.
        They were purely looking for voters that are ill-suited to live their own lives without others providing for them, coddling them, giving them trophies when they haven't done anything, and telling them they are more special than ANY of God's creatures. This attention that they never seemed to get before overshadowed the fact that although they were being paid attention to…….nothing was being done to get them out of a state of weakness. THAT my fellow Humans has to come from WITHIN. God will take care of those that take the first steps of their own.

        • jackw97224

          The spirit of independence with which the colonist were imbued has been destroyed and replaced with dependence, with subservience, with acceptance of slavery to the masters/politicians and their overseers/enforcers/judges on the plantation state. In short what Amerikans have done is that they have adopted the utter, evil, wickedness of commie/socialism and thereby dishonored the colonists; they have stabbed the colonists in their backs.

      • jackw97224

        Hey, you have identified them; they are the Mob of Nine.

    • jackw97224

      And then there is the Lysander Spooner/Marc Stevens question: What factual evidence do you (judge, politician, prosecutor or anyone) have that the constitution and law apply to you just because you are physically present in some state such as corruptifornia, which BTW is run by commie/socialist DemonKraits like “moonbeam?” It doesn’t exist and never has and never should, else we are just stinkin’ slaves on the plantation state run by masters/politicians and their overseers/enforcers/judges et.al. Check out Lysander Spooner’s missive: No Treason No. 6, The Constitution of No Authority. These simple questions and truths are not taught in government schools; they are not taught in law schools. Can you say conflicts of interests? Politics is violence. Kick it out. We would be wise to try organizational government based on voluntary contracting. If you want it the pay for it and don’t go hiring a thug to steal it from someone. Yes, the income tax is extortion.

  • jackw97224

    Regulated Freedom is oxymoronic! The colonists decried democracy; they said that democracy leads to mobocracy. They were right. Recall how Wilson said that the US would make the world safe for democracy? Recall how Truman said the US would be the arsenal of democracy? Now make the substitution of mobocracy for democracy and the simple truth is revealed. Confucius said that the beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper names.

    The mistake that Rosemary Pooler and minions make is that there is no factual evidence that the constitution and law apply to anyone and thus the IRS, the politicians the JUDGES, the enforcers, the prosecutors are without jurisdiction. Judge Pooler is using a logical fallacy of claiming a strawman argument by creating a blanket totalitarian state claim which was not brought before the court. The claim was that the rights to privacy had been violated. Judge Pooler exemplifies what is evil, wicked and corrupt in political government. Without the fallacious claim of the constitution, then people like Pooler would be out of work or they would be making decisions based upon reason, logic and morality or they would be out of work as no one would hire them to run the private courts. Judge Poole should be confined to the boobyhatch farm for the balance of her filthy, sicko life. Most people are “indoctrinated” in government schools so as to not question the authority of government and so it is not surprising that so many are ignorant of the simple truths of life.

    Judges deny freedom of speech all the time when they impose contempt or threaten contempt.

    Politics is violence. So, government then is dishonorable by definition. We live on the plantation state as stinkin’ slaves with masters/politicians and their overseers/enforcers/judges to beat us, to harm us, to hurt us.

    Well, yes politics is dictated by monetary influence, which is a kind of violence to control and thus deny freedom of choice, free will to those who happen to hold differing beliefs. And yes, political government is violence and must be terminated in favor of organizational government based on voluntary contracts. But, even the
    defective system of government is not the root cause, but merely a symptom. The
    root cause is that people have turned their backs on Jehovah God and his moral
    commandments. Oh, sure there are many who would object but then they vote and
    that exposes their deceit. Voting is an act of violence. Voting sanctions the
    politicians to make rules that then sanctions the use of force/aggression/violence to loot A to satisfy B. Don’t believe it? Consider most traffic ticket for a broken tail light or speeding or a wrong turn or not having “your papers” on you. So long as people vote, they are doing harm to themselves and others. I think the definition of insanity is repeating the same act expecting a different result. As Will Rogers once remarked, there’s no nickel’s worth of difference between a Republican and a Democrat (I call ‘em Demon-Kraits).

    Meddling in elections applies to the anti-gun, gun haters, as well. Think of the freedom that the gun hate crowd seeks to steal. But worse these people who deny freedom to speak or own a gun are subjecting you to abject stinkin’ slavery, i.e. they would decide you are not equal but subservient. How disgustingly ironic is that in the land of the free and home of the brave? Just as meddling in elections is wrong, so too is meddling in one’s freedom to choose to own a gun. The gun haters are immoral and they are bigots. The gun haters are duplicitous. The gun haters want to selectively define for others what their freedoms are. The gun haters are wicked and are playing into Satan’s plan. Gun haters do not respect
    individual freedom, individual free will.

    “The government consists of a gang of men exactly like you and me. They have, taking one with another, no special talent for the business of government; they have only a talent for getting and holding office. Their principal device to that
    end is to search out groups who pant and pine for something they can’t get and
    to promise to give it to them. Nine times out of ten that promise is worth nothing. The tenth time is made good by looting A to satisfy B. In other words, government is a broker in pillage, and every election is sort of an advance auction sale of stolen goods.” – H. L. Mencken

    • Randy

      Bravo!! Very well said indeed!!


      • jackw97224

        Heh, heh, heh…Bravo right back at ya.

        • Randy

          Huh, it was just a little walk through the park since it made so much sense. Trying to get though the nonsensical ramblings of crazy people is just about the hardest thing I have ever tried to do!

  • Alan777

    In just one example, there has been documented video evidence by James O’Keefe of the DNC leaders planning criminal activities to get Hillary elected. Freedom we have not nor do we have any integrity in our legal system of “justice”.

  • Varangian Guard

    People cannot be so sensitive when others speak.
    Worry about your own behavior, help others when it is possible.
    Do the right thing…..always.
    You will generally not say things that don’t offend others because you are too busy doing the right thing, being the best you can for yourself leaves little time for trivial matters.
    Those that talk about others or talk about what others say are not applying themselves to their best potential. People say good thing and bad things. Good to one may be bad to another, stick around 5 minutes, the tables will be turned good for bad soon enough.

    Live a good life doing the best you can. It is never too late to start living the best life you can full of fulfillment and knowledge.

  • Samarami

    Never, ever expect logic or anything of value to come from the brainless abstraction we like to call “the state”. Ain’t a-gonna happen. And no, “we” can’t “restore” anything good from any historical group of psychopaths often called “Our-Founding-Fathers”.
    Work to end stale and statist thinking.

    • jackw97224

      I wouldn’t call the colonists psychopaths. They were defending themselves from the aggressive English politicos. Tragically, their guide lines were quickly used to simply replace one tyranny with another. The judges, prosecutors, politicians et.al. have no factual evidence that the constitution and law apply to your or me just because of one’s physical presence in some state (The NoStateProject – Marc Stevens and Lysander Spooner’s No Treason No. 6, The Constitution of No Authority).

  • Randy

    OK, let’s get off of this insane idea that democracy is a good thing once and for all, for it is NOT! Democracy is but one mere step away from socialism, which is barely a step away from communism. The Founding Fathers set up a Republican form of government with very few and specific powers over the ones who were governed by CONSENT!! They certainly had their faults, no doubt about that, and not being able to see where politics and politicians would take us was certainly one of them!
    Since when has this national government been a democracy? Or are all of these concepts equal to each other and one can be substituted for any of the others? Like some idiots think that capitalism is the same thing as free market enterprise? Capitalism and communism are just the two sides of the bogus coin we call economics today. Both have the goal of stealing as much wealth from the people as possible before the whole system collapses under its own weight.
    The FF totally screwed up by setting up an easily rigged political and election system for selecting who gets to hold government jobs, when every last one of them should be determined by the luck of a draw, AFTER one has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are qualified and capable of hold the job they are seeking. For every job I ever had, I was firstly required to show that I was fully qualified for the job, be it mechanic, welder, machinist, electrician, plumber, etc. No one ever voted me into ANY of my jobs, I had to prove that I could do it first.
    The IRS is NOT a part of the federal government, just read the first four of “31 Questions and Answers about the IRS” sometime.
    The legal system is 100% corrupted now, therefore we have no lawful nor moral obligation to be involved in it to any degree. The legal system violates its very own Clean Hands Doctrine and Void for Vagueness Doctrine every single day that they are open for business!! Look up those doctrines in any law dictionary you may choose, and see that I am absolutely correct on all points.
    Pooler didn’t give out the REAL reason for her “decision”, which is that because non-profits are government created entities, they have NO Fourth or Fifth Amendment Rights against the government’s intrusions. That has been shown to be the case many years ago. They are considered to be like your minor children, you have the right to search through their bedroom for anything you don’t want them to have.


    • jackw97224

      You might have seen the 1928 US Army Training Manual on Citizenship, where it states that the colonists rejected Democracy as they knew it leads to mobocracy. Yes, the idea of political government is lunacy and should never have been approved but we are stuck with it for a while longer and will continue to dwell in the mire at the bottom of the outhouse. You might like The NoStateProject by Marc Stevens where he poses the question: What factual evidence do you (judge, prosecutor, politicians or anyone) have that the constitution and law apply to me just because I am physically present in some state, such as corruptifornia run by commie/socialist, Demon-Kraits like “monbeam” and his legislators?