Trump Takes Strong Anti-Islam Position After Orlando Shooting
By Daily Bell Staff - June 13, 2016

Donald Trump’s scaremongering response to Orlando shooting is the opposite of what America needs  …  The gunning down of dozens of party-goers in a gay club in Florida showed, he wrote, that he had  been ‘right on radical Islamic terrorism’. He thanked followers for ‘the congrats’.  Appreciate the congrats for being right on radical Islamic terrorism, I don’t want congrats, I want toughness & vigilance. -Telegraph

Donald Trump is blaming radical Islam for the recent Orlando shooting.

We wish he would take the opportunity to explain that Western Intel agencies helped create Al Qaeda and ISIS in the first place.

Trump could also explain that Western shootings and bombings are inevitably accompanied by a lot of suppressed information.

There are plenty of questions about the Orlando shooting, for instance.

Initial reports talked of two or more shooters. But suddenly multiple police found multiple IDs on the single dead shooter. As with almost all recent shootings, the shooter was known to the FBI and had been interviewed by the FBI no less than three times.

There are always anomalies in these killings – and accusations that actors have been hired to steer the narrative in a certain direction.

Accusations regarding “crisis actors” were made in the aftermath of the horrific Sandy Hook shooting. Additionally, the school where the shootings occurred was said to have been shut for a number of years.

The Boston bombing supposedly involved black knapsacks whereas the Tsarnaev brothers who supposedly perpetrated the event carried white knapsacks.

Already there are accusations that the Orlando shootings have been exaggerated and that the shooter’s sympathy toward ISIS and violent Islam was less certain than is being reported. Of course, no matter any exaggerations, it is a horrific and tragic event.

The larger Sunni Islamic religion is not bloodthirsty and emphasizes peace, not war.

But war is the health of the state.

Whenever any kind of an attack occurs, the call goes out for more authoritarian measures. Gun confiscation. Additional taxes and even military conscription to fight the war on terror.


Apart from a demonstrative lack of compassion for the families and friends of the dead, his decision to label the attack ‘Islamic terrorism’ came before any official assessments were made.

… After the Paris attacks, he sought to ban innocent Muslims – including thousands of desperate Syrian refugees from the United States.

This is true as far as it goes. The article then suggests that what is needed is “unity.”

This is not what the US needs. The US needs more freedom and less government.

Trump’s rhetoric regarding radical Islam is taking us in the opposite direction.

The military-industrial complex and its related intelligence organizations are the West’s biggest difficulty.

The military-industrial complex is being used to drive the world toward increased globalism.

Such manufactured internationalism is anti-freedom.

It needs to be stopped. At least it needs to be confronted.

But one of Trump’s main talking points has been about making America “strong” again as well as great.

If a Trump presidency adheres to his current rhetoric, it will reinforce negative US trends.

The last thing the Pentagon needs is more funding.

And the last thing the public needs as regards its perception of the war on terror is a steady diet of radical rhetoric regarding militant Islam.

Conclusion: It is hard to tell what Trump’s positions are. Generally, he seems to favor those that “put America first.” But encouraging a phony war on terror or creating Islamic conflicts with the Middle East are positions that will strengthen the credibility of the US military-industrial complex. In this sense, he wishes to lead the US in the wrong direction.

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  • Linda JJ

    Spot on analysis as always. I’m very suspicious of this attack.

  • Lynn Ertell

    Good initial breakdown and analysis. Thanks.

  • Marten

    Here we go again…They maintains a state of national emergency, no threat whate ver exists, alleged ones are fabricated in part by the Corporate-Sewer Media
    Awesome post DB and very well said

  • Dimitri Ledkovsky

    My favorite “crisis actor” in this incident is the instantly produced, nattily dressed and impeccably manicured father of the shooter. Yes! And he ran for President of Afghanistan on the Taliban ticket. Wow! Really? — The script writers are burning the midnight oil alright.

  • pcnot

    DB, you are right about Trump who, as usual, shoots from the mouth and thinks later. However, he is at least putting some heat of the Establishment and he sure as hell reflects the opinion of a great many Americans.

    Also, seems to me that there had to be more than one shooter to be able to kill 50, wound dozens and at the same time hold some hostages for hours. What weapons exactly were found? Only full auto in the hands of a very skilled person might pull this off. We are being screwed over by the MSM and the people who feed them their ration.

    • deplorableirredeemable45

      I think you are completely wrong about Trump. I think he gives a lot of though about what he says. If he had not given a lot of though about what he says he would not have been able to beat 16 other candidates.

  • Bruce C.

    I don’t “know enough” about this shooting to comment about it, except to say that so far I have a lot more questions than answers. Supposedly the shooter held the people hostage for about 3 hours which is bizarre and amazing. Trump is bound to mention again that if more people were armed he would have lasted only a few minutes. Personally, I hope that’s how he approaches the narrative because whatever the nefarious truth is about all these events I would rather that more individuals have the ability to fight back at whatever it is. There may be other and better solutions but it wouldn’t hurt for more people to be less physically vulnerable.

    • deplorableirredeemable45

      I put on my pants I put on my gun. If my gun is not welcome then I have no business being there in the first place. Some Pundit on TV yesterday made the statement that Americans were scared. I’m not scared but I am mad.

  • CAI

    Let me get this straight. You are saying radical Islam had nothing to do with this massacre? What universe are you living in? “Phony war on terror” “the last thing America needs is the perception of a war on terror ” This is a war on Terror or to be more precise, a war on America and Christians. Trump is the only Candidate that will stand up against radical Islam and take the war to them. If it takes banning innocent Muslims or illegal immigrants by trying to control our boarders, so be it. Anything less is a sellout of America. How many countries in the world have open boarders? What is the penalty for entering any middle Eastern country illegally? You cannot have a country without boarders. Why is it the USA is the only country that cannot figure it out?

    • nathenism

      all the violent moslems are working for the US government…the terrorist attacks are false flags…the “moslem shooters” are just patsies and the whole point is to inspire islamophobia and support the lie that moslems are a threat to christians…congrats on being a gullible dumb ass

      • CAI

        Is this some sort of collusion between the US and all of the other countries that the US Govt sends terrorist muslim shooters and bombers to their countries to kill Christians and you left out the Jews, in order to turn the world against peaceful Muslims? Now who are YOU calling dumbass???

      • Bruce C.

        The ME has been an armpit since 700 AD. The only reason they haven’t been more obnoxious outside their region until recently is because they didn’t have the technology to do so.

      • Makes Four

        Yeah, but with the economy in the position it is in, maybe the US should take on some boarders. Rent out some of the spare rooms in the government offices.

      • Bruce C.

        I guess all the Christians getting killed in the ME are a lie? I wonder why Obama only accepts Muslim immigrants seeking asylum? Why not both?

        • Makes Four

          The money drops, the weapon give-aways, McCain meeting with ‘moderate rebels’ – All of the evidence for the intelligence services running the show are there.

          The taped beheadings, the horrible rape stories, and remember those babies being taken from the incubators?

          They want you upset enough to support the state and its wars. They need you emotional enough to think irrationally. We have arrived at the goal when the OP blames an entire class of people for the actions of some.

          • Bruce C.

            So why not admit only Christians and NOT Muslims to back up that theme?

            Because Christians wouldn’t show (according to you)?

            Of course they would, just like the (un-persecuted) Muslims do.

            Do you see that that’s backwards?

            ME Christians should be allowed to emigrate to the US to “prove” that the ME Muslims are persecuting them.

            Otherwise it just sounds like propaganda, as you say.

      • Steve

        Can you please provide the evidence to back up your conspiracy theory. And your use of name calling reflects poorly on you and “kills” any credibility you had in your “argument.”

  • rahrog

    Unemployment in America is running at 20%. America needs a moratorium on ALL immigration. America needs to bring ALL of its troops home. Not just from muslim countries, but from everywhere. TRUMP DOES NOT MATTER. It is up to The People to save themselves from The Ruling Class.

    • Makes Four

      Money printing, regulation, and other government policies destroyed the economy. Now you ask for the government to further manage the economy by stopping immigration.

      What could go wrong?

      • rahrog

        America’s current lack of immigration enforcement is a Ruling Class ploy to control wages, and mask inflation (from money printing). I am not asking the government to do anything. What part of 20% unemployment don’t you understand?

  • 2bvictorius

    Stating “America must be strong again” does not positively mean militarily or increasing authoritarian rule. It could , and I believe it does, mean ending political and economic corruption, restoring individual liberty and freedom to America.
    You should credit Trump as one man creating a resistance movement, but currently standing alone against the most powerful autocracy and state run media in the world.
    To attack and make light of what Trump is attempting is pretty petty, and at one time , beneath The Daily Bell.
    I sincerely hope I am wrong about the intent of your article.

    • If Trump is indeed standing alone against the most powerful autocracy in the world, we’ll do our very best to make that clear and to applaud him. But right now we have no idea if that is the case. And neither do you. You “interpreted” Trump’s statements to mean what you hope they mean. We’re a libertarian paper and don’t expect much from government, nothing good anyway.

      • Bruce C.

        Problem is by not giving him the benefit of the doubt you “feed the beast”. Even if Trump is as evil and nefarious as you can imagine he’s not likely to be any worse than the alternatives. You so take it for granted that Clinton is a disaster that you barely bother to mention her.

        What is Clinton’s response to this, “We all need to stand together!”?

        I guess you’re right, that’s less nuanced.

  • bbenhamid

    G4S, formerly known as Wackenhut. G4S (USA) is an American Security Service Company, and a wholly owned subsidiary of U.K. based G4S.
    Shares of British private security giant G4S plunged on the London stock market on Monday after it emerged that Omar Mateen, the alleged gunman behind the massacre in a Florida gay nightclub, was one of its employees.

  • “it’s hard to tell what Trumps positions are”… Evidently it is one that a very large majority of Americans are damned tired of hearing how Islam is the religion of “peace”, when any rational person asks themselves – why in the hell is the current administration & it’s media (it sure as hell isn’t the people’s) perpetrate the bullshit that it’s very tenants are not openly in conflict with our very way of life? You’re absolute fools to presuppose that citizens aren’t angry to the point of being totally enraged at the disingenuous bullshit being perpetrated upon them.

    • Bruce C.

      Any one who reads the Koran can see that A) it isn’t a religion, and B) is not peaceful (unless everyone cow tows to the imams).

      • Are you serious Bruce? Have you ever read the Old Testament cover-to-cover?

        • Bruce C.

          No, I haven’t. However, I also don’t know any one or any group who claims or even wants to live by it. And if I did I’d put them in the same boat, or on the same camel, or whatever.

          The big difference between Muslims and most others is that they’ve advanced somewhat (although I’m not super confident about that).

        • Praetor

          I have. Three times. The god of the old testament seem to have want a lot of people dead. The new testament not so much, but in the end a lot of people are dead. It also says, the god of this world is called Lucifer, so go figure!!!

          • Yes the Bible presents violent texts just as the Koran does.

        • If perchance you’ve actually read the read the Bible from cover to cover, I seriously doubt that you understood much at all… The secular mind is completely without spiritual comprehension. There were reasons that actions were taken then that isn’t even remotely relevant to the ideological event of current times today… Were you to know that you’d not be flapping your gums in apologist ignorance.

          • Hm–mm, you’ve left several hostile comments in our feedback queues. Are you just having a bad day or is this the way you always conduct your “conversations”?

          • I have no tolerance for such disingenuous straw man responses as you made toward Pretoria regarding point A) & B)

          • “Citizen”Hill, we have no idea what you are talking about. Since you have “no tolerance,” presumably you’ll be leaving soon …

          • Ah so, dare one challenge your depth of understanding of the depth and meaning in comparison of biblical violence and it’s purposes in dealing with the causes of the times isn’t remotely relevant or comparable to the ideological bent of Islam… & Yes it is evident that you don’t understand what I’m talking about, just as it seems evident to me that you don’t to seem to know what you’re talking about either.

          • bouf

            CitizenHill – are you aware that the original Gutenberg Bible came included with Josephus’ War of the Jews? Are you aware that Origen (~200 C.E.) was the first to document that the only person who has ever lived and could have fulfilled the prophecy set out in the NT was Titus Flavius? That he correctly discerned that the number of the beast actually fits the name ‘Titus’? That if you carefully read both books the parallels are clearly discernible?

            Perhaps you didn’t know that Judaism became a Roman state-sponsored religion after the destruction of the 2d Temple in 70 C.E.? Which ‘mail service’ was Paul able to use to disseminate his letters? The only one in town; the Roman military…. An accident that ‘evangelion’ is the Good News of MILITARY victory?

            Spiritual comprehension of the Bible leads to no comprehension. But if you are able to use a critical eye you will find the oldest sham-job and elite meme that ever walked the face of the Earth. One designed by the most clever people in the Roman Empire to enslave the mind of ‘demons’, those Jews hell-bent on defying the Roman order, as defined by Josephus. What most perplexed the Romans were those Jews who expected a militant messiah to save them from Rome, as attested by the Dead Sea Scrolls, yet curiously left out of the modern Talmud….. Those ‘demons’ wanted a ‘messiah’. The Flavian Caesars gave them one.

          • How long did it take you to look that up?…and I’d venture dollars to donuts that you imagine yourself to be among the intelligentsia, and quite likely not a christian either.
            What I’m referring to is not what or when, but the why.

          • bouf

            Oh that was from memory my good man. I’ll have to reread it and see if I made any errors….. Intelligentsia? Nah I wouldn’t have accepted a Rhodes scholarship even if I had gotten the grades to be offered one. Turns out I’m an engineer; like Atwill, BTW. And Christian? In my mouth such a word is denigratory, just as it would have been to a proper Roman who had the misfortune to be introduced to the Imperial Cult of Domitian. I’m a Libertarian and a Taoist. Bitcoins to donuts you are a Christian, but not one that has ever thought critically about what you’ve been told or shown to read. So if that is the case, why would you visit a website full of people who don’t believe anything anyone tells them; people who constantly seek out the ‘truth’ for themselves?

  • Praetor

    Yes, the NWO needs to be confronted, ‘Head-On’.

    Trump says a lot of things. When he becomes president, he more than likely will be shocked, and in a state of denial. I know some New Yorkers and they talk just like he does. From the hip and full of opinions.

    What Trump may or may not understand is how deep the shadow gov really goes. We will have to wait and see, what Trump does once he is briefed by all those department heads about the state of the U.S. and world affairs, CIA, Military, DHS, FBI and so forth.

    I just remember, Newt Gingrich saying, he is not apart of the club!!!

    • Bruce C.

      Amen. And that’s why I think he needs all the (psychic) support he can get. I fear that if he knew what he’s getting into he may not want to go. It’s almost cruel or not fair to will him into that but given his experience and resilience and courage I am supporting him. He may be a better man than I.

      • Praetor

        Trumps an enigma, really. The guy is super rich, beautiful wife, good kids. He’s got everything a person could want. So, why want to be prez. Crappy job, unless you want to change the course of history. Yes , there is the possibility he is a better man than me, also. We will see!!!

  • deplorableirredeemable45

    If Trump is for real and I personally believe he is he will probably come close to having a heart attack when he is elected and finds out the real truth. There has been some real nasty stuff going on in our government for decades. One thing for sure it is going to be one heck of a job to straighten that mess out.

  • Demonocracy

    This article is infected with cognitive dissonance. Are you shi–ing me? This event was not inspired in any way by Jihadist? This article focuses on Trumps desire to fight terrorist Jihadist on foreign soil instead of Trumps desire to shut the border down and stop letting them in the country in the first place, which is his primary goal.

    The Facts are undeniable and they are as follows:

    1. He openly confessed to supporting and praising ISIS.
    2. Omar Mateen, the man suspected of taking 50 lives in an Orlando gay club, is believed to have sworn allegiance to ISIS, US Congressman Adam Schiff said citing local law enforcement.”The fact that this shooting took place during Ramadan and that ISIS leadership in Raqqa has been urging attacks during this time, that the target was an LGBT night club during Pride, and – if accurate – that according to local law enforcement the shooter declared his allegiance to ISIS, indicates an ISIS-inspired act of terrorism,” Representative Adam Schiff said in a statement.
    3. 18:20 GMTG4S, a British multinational security services company, has confirmed it employed Orlando shooter Omar Mateen in its statement, cited by CBS News.“We are shocked and saddened by the tragic event that occurred atthe Orlando nightclub. We can confirm that Omar Mateen had been employed with G4S since September 10, 2007. We are cooperating fully with all law enforcement authorities, including the FBI, as they conduct their investigation,” the company said, as quoted by CBS. HEY GUESS WHAT? THESE ARE THE SAME ASS*OLES THAT GOT CAUGHT SMUGGLING ILLEGALS INTO THE COUNTRY FOR THE U.S. GOVERNMENT

    4. After the FBI dismissed their 2013 and 2014 interviews with Orlando shooter Omar Mateen as “inconclusive,” the Bureau interviewed him again later about his contacts with Moner Mohammad Abusalha, the first US citizen to carry out a suicide bombing in Syria, AFP reported.

    5. A former coworker says the Orlando shooter Omar Mateen frequently made racist and homophobic comments, but the company chose not to act on repeated complaints because Mateen was Muslim.
    “I quit because everything he said was toxic,” Daniel Gilroy, a former Fort Pierce police officer who worked with G4S Security for several months in 2014-15, told USA Today, “and the company wouldn’t do anything. This guy was unhinged and unstable. He talked of killing people.”
    Gilroy said he complained to his employer several times but G4S did nothing because it did not want to be accused of Islamophobia, USA Today reported.

    The FBI who cannot stop terrorist attacks but are very good at killing unarmed ranchers…

    And you’re telling me it’s not an Islam problem and anyone that thinks it is is perhaps “Islamaphobic?

    At 9/11 with the US governments complicity and use of 19 Jihadist patsies, that were imported into the country, and we’re still letting Jihadist in? Yes I know Mateen was already here but being investigated for three years by the FBI, and they found no Jihadist connections? You have got to be shitting me!!!

    All of the available evidence says that they did know. This is a 9/11 playbook that is still being used today, just as whisleblower Sibel Edmonds revealed that the same FBI knew of the 9/11 (Which also Trump has pledged to reveal the truth of, that has been hidden from the people) attacks before they happened to. And we still have an open border and are scared of being called Islamaphobic if we call it for what it is. And lets not forget the Chattanooga shooter was also an ISIS sympathizer.

    • What you call “Radical Islam” is mostly a Saudi invention, bought and paid for with American dollars.

      • Demonocracy

        Well, I didn’t exactly use the phrase “Radical Islam”, but pick your word, it is what it is. I do not believe that Trump is scaremongering as you say. He is merely calling it for what it is.

        If the gay bar had been attacked by radical terrorist Christians, I would say so but it was not. This event had Jihadist inspired fingerprints all over it and was the result of that indoctrination thereof.

        I cannot believe that Trump is being criticized in this article as well as the MSM press. Is there any difference in DB on this issue and MSM?

        “Donald Trump’s scaremongering response to Orlando shooting is the opposite of what America needs …”

        So by way of comparison we have Hillary saying it has nothing to do with religion or the systemic importation of these people, but instead it’s the second amendments fault and it needs to go.

        I believe, three years ago when the FBI knew his sympathy to ISIS, he should have been deported along with Mateen’s father has openly expressed support for the Taliban on Youtube.

        The dirt also proves a typical inside job. The list is overwhelmingly long. Too long to post it all. Please read thoroughly. All is backed by evidence. If Trump considers this same evidence and Hillary and radical leftist do not, how is Trump criticized for being the only candidate that sees through all of this? That is to say it is a Jihadist Muslim problem and open border problem, not a second amendment problem.

        What the government wants, it gets. If it didn’t want it, it wouldn’t have it. The government always gets what it wants. It does not make mistakes, instead it makes calculated moves ~ Jordan Maxwell.

        • Elites create wars. Bankers’ wars. When Trump gives credence to these wars without explaining their antecedents, he conforms to the status quo and encourages it. That’s too bad.

          • Demonocracy

            Perhaps true in some ways but not with Russia. He wants to work things out with them and he knows that there is a lot of Neocon propaganda from the West against Russia and things are not what our current mis-leaders are saying there is.

            Today the Neocons are no longer poking the bear, they are stabbing it and this isn’t going to be without consequences.


          • WinChll

            Welcome to the New American Century.

          • Skip Robinson

            Trump, I believe is a newcon and is part of the Jewish Lobby as some call it. But complains and discredits them to make it look like he isn’t one of the. A good ploy if you’re a con man and he has always been one. His business activities are loaded with stories from many he has tried to screw out of money. Mostly his contractors but he actually sued Palm Beach County over their operations of the airport. His estate and his golf course are in the flight paths. How can anyone file bankruptcy suits as many time as he has and keeps getting richer. His crappy TV show? The Jewish lobby are the ones that just got Israel $40 billion from American Taxpayers for fiscal year 2019.

          • straight shooter

            Exactly, DB.

            ISIS and “Radical Islamic Terrorism” are not and have never been what they appear to be. Much like the “War on Drugs” and the “War on Terror,” these initiatives are all created and funded by black-ops within the intelligence agencies, then packaged as MSM propaganda for consumption by gullible, confused and angry Americans–who, unfortunately, appear to be a majority.

            Trump is merely a wealthy, loud-mouthed, emotionally immature member of said majority in candidate’s attire. Lacking the analytical ability to understand the root of the issue, Trump falls instead for the Islamic Terrorist meme and immediately shoots his mouth off. This of course, only helps foment further division–which is all part of the plan.

            Trump is not, and has never been, ‘in the club.’ However, he’s nowhere near smart enough to understand that the problem is not and never has been Islam, Mexicans, the LGBT community or any other targeted faction per se. Rather, the roots of the problem lie far deeper than all of that, and are infintely more tangled.

            But since would-be nominee Trump is a proven lightning rod for the MSM and a reactionary/populace provocateur of the first order, I would bet (sadly) the plan calls for a marked increase in false-flag events in the US over the next several months, all the better to use his unwitting bully pulpit to continue The Agenda.

      • Rich Faussette

        I don’t understand. From the initial Islamic expansion to today’s ISIS these people have tried to conquer the world. They ruled Spain for 800 years before being expelled., and think about it, they (and their Jewish collaborators) were expelled after 800 years of rule which means they had not assimilated in all that time. Their incompatibility with other religions led to the partition of India and Pakistan. When they conquered Zoroastrian Persia where the people held dogs sacred they took the dogs and killed them in front of the Persians and now they take selfies of themselves hanging dogs by the neck from strings while holding up their middle fingers on Facebook (antipathy for dogs is in the Hadith). Saudis didn’t invent radical Islam. They finance it. At Israel’s urging, stupid America woke them up. You don’t see that?

        • Couldn’t you generate a similar damning case for Christianity?

          • Rich Faussette

            No. I’ve tried and I can’t. Can you? Please do. A brief summary…

          • Rich Faussette

            Entirely Judaism and Islam DB. The link within the text to the Christian references are almost entirely about the punishment GOD will inflict on bad people who ignore his teaching. The quotes from the Torah and the Koran are what God’s PEOPLE should do to non Jews and non believers. Very different. For Jesus to say you should pluck out your own eyes and cut off your own hands rather than allow them to sin is not in the same league with the genocide of the Torah and the Koran. It’s not, that’s why I’ve tried and failed to make the comparison.
            I couldn’t do it and your link didn’t do it, either.

        • Skip Robinson

          There are always those who will take advantage of war, violence and hatred as they worship within the various dogmatic religions. They all call for the killing of non-believers. However, it is a very small group. Most people do not want war and violence. Remember the killings of abortion doctors in the U.S. and Canada, a number of years back. Fundamentalist Christians who believed they were acting in the name of God. Thomas Paine was exiled from the Colonies because he wrote logical narratives against the dogmatic churches, the Turkish included, while both Muslims and Jews stayed. It appears to me that the U.S. government, i.e. the military industrial complex through the CIA and/or FBI are somehow involved with many of the shooters in the recent events. How and why would be merely conjecture, but even the alleged 9/11 participants were being tracked by our intel agencies. How a steel building falls in 6.6 seconds in a near perfect freefall from an office fire is another question. We should be much more worried about what our government is doing both to it’s own Citizens and that of the rest of the world than we are of ISIS or other Jihadist. The U.S. is at 100,000,000 now living at or near the poverty line yet our politicians just passed another $40 billion for Israel for fiscal year 2017. All the foreign aide we spend in manipulating the foreign affairs of other nations would go a long way to improving the middle class in this country and perhaps our discontinued interventions would curtail much of the retaliatory events occurring around the world.

          • Rich Faussette

            Please quote me the lines where Christianity calls for the killing of non believers. Don’t tell me what Christians have done. Quote me the lines where Christianity calls for the killing of non believers.

          • Skip Robinson

            Deuteronomy 17
            If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

          • Rich Faussette

            Entirely wrong religion Skip. That’s the Torah, cornerstone of the Jewish religion, not the gospels. It’s not even the penultimate call to violence in the Torah. This is:

            “When the Lord your God brings you into the land which you are entering to occupy and drives out many nations before you — Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations more powerful and numerous than you — when the Lord your God delivers them into your power, and you defeat them, you must put them to death. You must not make a treaty with them or spare them

            Deuteronomy 7:1-2

          • Skip Robinson

            Rich, Do you or do you not believe in and worship the old and new testaments as the world of God? The other problem is that people also use these type verses to ostracize one another as non-believers. One of my best friends growing up as a child, Jeff Dean was not allowed to play with me because I would not except Jesus as my savior. Just believing in God was not enough for his grandma. Her son-in-law, Jeff’s father was a notorious womanizer who was finally excepted back into the family once he repented his sins. I remained on speaking terms with the father bu Jeff would never speak to me again. Grandma lived with the family and was the obvious spiritual matriarch of the family. This taught me a great lesson and one of the twenty five+ logical reasons, I do not believe the bible nor any other dogma is the word of God.!topic/harrietrobbins/bzJpJ2fiNxg

    • rapph

      I have long suspected that people like Mateen are being handled for a purpose while his handlers are in full knowledge of his potential, and they feed his hatred because they want this to happen, perhaps so people will say, “we need to outlaw guns….look what they have done!” I feel like it was just another black flag operation to turn the hearts and minds of Americans pathetically towards our government, looking for protection. This whole thing is perpetrated by our “shadow government” for a very specific purpose. I’m not falling for it, and I don’t think Trump is either. I hope he gets something major done before he meets his demise. He reminds me of Abe Lincoln and John F. Kennedy. I hope he is a little more stragegic than either of them were.

  • hashtag_agitated

    Maybe the polarization that Trump’s rhetoric is creating between Muslims and the US is going to give way to a “compromise” that will actually advance a union between the two. Time will tell.