STAFF NEWS & ANALYSIS
Turkey's Jet Shoot-Down Part of Long War With Russia
By Daily Bell Staff - November 25, 2015

NATO urges calm after Turkey downs Russian jet … NATO and UN urge a de-escalation in tensions between Ankara and Moscow after Turkish planes shot down Russian jet. … NATO has called on Turkey and Russia to show restraint as tensions rise in the wake of the downing of a Russian jet near the Turkey-Syria border. The Russian warplane was shot down for violating Turkish airspace on Tuesday morning, Turkish officials said, angering Russia's President Vladimir Putin, who likened the incident to being "stabbed in the back". According to Russia Today, Russia's defence ministry has announced that it is suspending its military cooperation with Turkey following the incident. – Al Jazeera

Dominant Social Theme: Let cooler heads prevail.

Free-Market Analysis: It's nice that NATO is concerned about world peace. Russia seems angrier. Following Turkey's downing of a Russian jet near the Syrian-Turkey border, Vladimir Putin called Turkey's actions a "stab in the back."

What Putin meant by this was that Russia was removing ISIS from Syria, presumably a goal shared with NATO. Yet Turkey, a NATO country, shot down a Russian jet involved in fighting a common enemy.

According to Al Jazeera, NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg said Tuesday night that NATO supports Turkey but urged calm for both sides.

"As we have repeatedly made clear, we stand in solidarity with Turkey and support the territorial integrity of our NATO ally, Turkey," Stoltenberg reportedly said after an emergency meeting of NATO. "I look forward to further contacts between Ankara and Moscow and call for calm and de-escalation. Diplomacy and de-escalation are important to resolve this situation," he said.

Putin was a good deal blunter. "Today's loss is linked to a stab in the back delivered to us by accomplices of terrorists," he is reported as saying. "I cannot qualify what happened today as anything else. Our plane was shot down over the territory of Syria by an air-to-air missile from a Turkish F-16 jet. It fell in Syrian territory four kilometres from the border with Turkey. Our pilots and our plane did not in any way threaten Turkey."

Of course, really Putin cannot be blamed for feeling this way. NATO and the Anglosphere generally have been pushing Putin relentlessly. First there was the standoff with Georgia, and then when that was resolved, the West went after Ukraine. Now the West is in Syria, trying to consolidate that country's alliances as it pushes out the Assad regime.

Syria is the last domino. After that, there is only Russia itself. Of course, Russia is not Libya, Iraq or even Syria. Russia is a big country with a motivated population and advanced weapons. What the West wants, then, is at the very least a military standoff with Russia.

Presumably this is necessary because the West's economic system is in shambles. Central banking can only create a faux expansion for so long before economies collapse. Bubble economies inevitably give way to recessions and depressions. And that's where war comes in.

We can see this played out before World War II, when nothing the West tried to do worked. Keynesian remedies were no more utile than any other kind. The only thing that can be done is to let bankrupt firms collapse.

But in this case, such a collapse would mean the end of the current economic system. And that is not feasible from the point of view of those who run it. And thus, there is a need for war and when it comes to Russia, at least significant military tensions.

Paul Craig Roberts, whose work we follow, is more cognizant than most when it comes to this particular militaristic paradigm. His recent article, "Turkey Has Destroyed Russia's Hope Of Western Cooperation," deals with the reality of what's actually taking place rather than the rhetoric.

Turkey's unprovoked shoot-down of a Russian military aircraft over Syria raises interesting questions. It seems unlikely that the Turkish government would commit an act of war against a much more powerful neighbor unless Washington had cleared the attack.

Turkey's government is not very competent, but even the incompetent know better than to put themselves into a position of facing Russia alone. If the attack was cleared with Washington, was Obama bypassed by the neocons who control his government, or is Obama himself complicit?

Roberts is speculating here on why Turkey shot down the Russian jet. He doesn't believe for a moment that Turkey was merely defending its borders.

This is because Roberts sees the Middle East wars in totality. He implies that the disparate military gambits are really part of one effort, writing, "Throughout the entire Washington orchestrated conflicts in the Middle East, Africa, and Ukraine, the Russian government has spoken reasonably and responded in a diplomatic manner to the many provocations."

Notice the word "provocations." Just as we do, Roberts sees Russia as the ultimate prize. For one reason or another, the US wants to grapple directly with Russia. He is hopeful that the downing of the Russian jet shall finally disabuse Putin of the idea that he should cooperate with the West, and the Pentagon in particular.

He writes that the "silver lining" of the shoot-down may be to "save" the Russian government from making a mistake by joining a coalition with the West against ISIS.

"Diplomacy has now proven to be a dead-end," he writes. "If Russia does not join the real game and begin to play its strong cards, Russia will be defeated."

This is his bluntest statement, acknowledging that the West's various provocations are really part of the long war against Russia itself, and perhaps even China if the West pushes Russia too hard.

More and more this is an Orwellian-looking strategy that divides the world into three warring entities in order keep the military-industrial complex in business and free markets – and freedom generally – at bay.

It is certainly not clear that the West wants a thermonuclear war but there are forces in the West that obviously would be pleased to exist in a perpetual state of military tension with other great powers.

After Thoughts

As we've pointed out, existing within this paradigm is not a very pleasant prospect. We urge all those who can to seek the kind of lifestyle insurance that provides them with alternative approaches and a maximum degree of independence.

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  • For Russia comes the concern that safe naval access from the Black Sea to the Aegean and Mediterranean Seas becomes a questionable risk – and at any time impossible. For Turkey comes the concern that for decades of playing their relationship with the United States of CIA off against a relationship with Russia comes to an end; and end it should, that illusion now lays shattered with the wreckage of Russia’s jet. The rulers of Turkey should take a long hard look at themselves and consider how well they compare with the likes of Saddam Hussain, Muammar Gaddafi, Bashar al-Assad; all golden-boy CIA assets until the day their usefulness was exhausted. Assad hangs on in there because of his association with and support of Russia. That luxury with Russia is now finished for Turkey. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and his pro-Islamic regime will be ‘cleansed’ as soon as his absolute capitulation to CIA and Zionist interests is done.

  • FauxScienceSlayer

    After stage setting and manipulating Europe into WW One, the German bankers began funding the Bolshevik revolution in 1914, which threaten to release German troops on the eastern front, with German artillery already in range of Paris. US puppet president Woody Wilson tried repeatedly to get the US involved and finally, US entry in 1917 allowed the British banks to assist the Bolsheviks as well. The Red Army sold Russian rail system and raw materials for pennies on the dollar to Armand Hammer, JP Morgan and other robber barons. Following the Fall of the Berlin Wall, the CIA Operation Hammer repeated this asset stripping in the 90s. The Project for a New American Century, PNAC, by NEO CONS hawks, released Sept 2000 called for a New Pearl Harbor and the toppling seven mid east nations. The 9/11 attack sucked NATO into Afghanistan, the Bush/Blair Smoking Gun Memo sucked the UK into Iraq.

    “Intel Expert, New Doc Confirms Hillary Gunrunning Op” at WorldNetDaily by Dr Jerome Corsi

    This article describes the CIA Operation Zero Footprint that illegally shipped arms into Tunisia, Yemen, Egypt, Libya and to ISIS in Syria. Benghazi was a heavy weapon and MANpad shoulder fired missile transfer through Turkey to ISIS. The ruling elite have convinced themselves that they can survive a nuclear WW Three and have repeatedly set trip wires for Putin, in Georgia during the Peking Olympics, in Libya, In the Ukraine and in Syria. We must expose, depose and convict these ruthless plutocrats.

    • jim

      It seemed like Putin was in the process of pinning Turkey as the prime backer, facilitator, and correspondingly the ultimate beneficiary of the ISIS Syrian invasion and looting. Panicked by the prospect of being singled out, Turkey provocatively hit the Russian jet outside Turkey’s borders and without warning (per Russia).
      So it was a calculated, deliberate attack, albeit borne of panic. Still, no way would Turkey have made this move unless it had been given some indication of subsequent cover from NATO. But will the NATO alliance hold?
      I think that’s one of the big questions, as the entire NATO body would never have sanctioned such a provocation.

  • John Knapp

    It certainly seems like this is exactly what everyone wants. Weather the US OK’d the shooting down of the Russian jet or not, this incident is just another distraction so the US can lend more money and continue to build up our Industrial Military Complex and keep everyone looking the other way…The bigger it is the harder it falls.

  • Praetor

    That was really dumb. Obama and the Turkish government maybe the dumbest stumps on the block. Look for change in government in Turkey sponsored by the Russia bear. The Russians can cause a lot of havoc in Turkey. The U.S. is not the only ones that can supply the tools and the man power to create terror inside another country. I remember well the cold war, I think they seek the good old days. When MAD was a strategy. If this doesn’t prove that Obama is just a puppet of his MASTERS, what will, still a servant on the plantation. Hope and Change, yeah right. The question we have to ask, is Putin in on this? All Putin had to do is tell Assad your done, then replace him with another puppet the world would like. They do this stuff all the time, so. Assad and his wife may be Syrian, but I would surmise being both lived and educated in the west would rather be living in some castle in the Alps and have a nice plushy house in Miami. Is this not what mob bosses do. Is Putin in on it and they already have Russia in their back pocket?!!!

    • Pilgrim

      Don’t think so, Praetor. Putin is honoring their client-state (Syria) by coming to their aid militarily. I don’t think either is in anyone’s pocket. Putin has a vested interest in Assad remaining in power beyond their contractual obligation; Russia has a port in Syria.

      The secular dictators in the middle-east being toppled by the Arab Spring with the backing of Bush & Obama may have been (or are) brutal, but they maintained a semblance of order. Unfortunately, the national borders were established by the colonial powers, not following ethnic or natural boundaries. A case could be made that the random artificial borders were designed to create and perpetuate instability more than to stabilize the region.

      Imperial Japan in the 30’s tried to assemble a coalition in backlash to colonialist Europeans meddling where they really had no business. The causes of both world wars can be laid at the feet of three ideologies: colonialist white-supremacy, Marxism and central banksters. Now it looks as though another world-war is looming with the world-domination ideology of Islam featured as the pivotal player.

  • BTW DB the ‘rate this article’ thingamajig is not working for me. Cannot make it rate at all.

  • Pilgrim

    Russia’s modus operandi, since before its soviet days, was to test the will of its adversaries. Invasion of airspace is just one of the ways Russia tests the metal of a nation’s leaders. Just like an ill-behaved child tests rules set down by parents to see just how far he can go before punishment is actually meted out, Russia tests leaders and militaries to see what evokes a response. Now they know they can’t over-fly Turkey. They have already found out they can mow over Obama with a lawn tractor with impunity.

    • JiminyWay

      What a bunch of malarkey. Where did you find that analysis, in a Cracker Jack box? Or CNN or Fox News?

      • Rather than be rude and attacking to Pilgrim without any substance to your comment, how about posting your analysis? Or pointing out what particular aspects of his post you disagree with and why?

      • Pilgrim

        JiminyWay, Where did I find the analysis? Just my own observations from having been on this planet for 61 years, materials I’ve been exposed to news stories during the proxy wars and cold war. There’s nothing wrong with having a disagreement with my views, but where I’m from, it’s just not polite to enter a conversation with insults. By the way, were you aware that Fox News has earned the trust of the Americans so well, they are now the most-watched news-source in America? Just FYI

        • JiminyWay

          Sure, that’s why when it comes to CNN and Fox News I keep seeing headlines like these “Fox News Inches Closer To Death As Its Median Audience Dropped In 2014.”

          And the same goes for the print media.

          Your analysis doesn’t make any sense in the context and the theater of operations that Russia is operating in. Especially since Turkey is suppose to be a NATO ally that the Russians came to an understanding with. What the hell does Russia gain by provoking Turkey? Nothing. Supposedly, Israel recently reported that the Russian have veered into their air space by mistake several times. Did Israel shoot them down? As they said, “we created an open channel for coordination so as to prevent misunderstandings, because Russian planes are not trying to attack us and therefore it is not necessary to automatically–even if there is a mistake–to shoot them down,” Ya’alon said, according to the Times of Israel.”

          More data has come out over the incident and we all now know why Turkey shot it down. The Russians are destroying Erdorgan’s and his son’s loot.

    • Why is it that Turkey is so adverse to Russia flying over its airspace. They could ask Russia not to infringe and protest if it happened but shooting down a jet, risking and causing a pilot’s deaths, a jet that could have infringed Turkish airspace for less than 18 seconds if at all, a jet that was striking against a supposed terror group that a week before apparently cause the death of more than 100 innocents in Paris. Do we know who’s side Turkey is on? Are they protecting ISIS?

    • Barney Biggs

      Apart from you last sentence the rest of your post is entirely contrary to fact between Russia and Turkey. They have been key players in each others economies for some time and are greatly intertwined
      I smell Obama and company here or even NATO.
      If it is NATO they had better damn well understand that they are playing with fire with both Turkey and Russia especially where nationalism are concerned.

      • Pilgrim

        While you may be correct, I try as hard as I can to understand world events at face value apart from explanations involving conspiracy. Though conspiracy is often the only rational way to interpret events of our day and time.

        • Barney Biggs

          True I try and figure out who benefits from these actions and how.
          Cannot see anyway that Russia benefits but sure can with the US and Saudi
          I am waiting to see who sends billions to Turkey in the next month or so.
          This will supposedly be to assist a fellow NATO member or EU partner.
          Should be interesting.

    • MetaCynic

      My understanding is that Russia and Turkey are supposed to be partners on the same side fighting ISIS. Why shoot down your partner’s plane for having strayed two miles across your territory for several seconds, especially since that plane displayed no hostility toward you? It makes no sense. That’s like beating up your friendly neighbor for stepping a few inches onto your property while mowing his lawn!

      On the other hand ISIS has been partially funding its operations by stealing oil from the region of Syria under its occupation and trucking it in convoys to black markets in Turkey. This makes one wonder whose side is Turkey really on.

      It’s no secret that the majority Sunni and minority Shiite strains of Islam have been in conflict with each other for many centuries. Iraq, Iran and Syria are non Sunni and the rest of the Middle East including ISIS is Sunni. The West, led by Washington, has sided with the Sunnis in order to bring Iraq’s and Iran’s oil under the control of the already unimaginably wealthy Saudi royal family.

      Even these machinations, accompanied by the deliberate destruction of stable secular Muslim nations, thus releasing millions of unassimilable war refugees into Europe for the purpose of stoking ethnic and religious hatred, are but a fragment of the really big picture which is to fracture Russia into many small entities under the control of Washington. This would empower Washington to deny the flow of Russia’s vast natural resources to China. With the relaxation of Communism’s grip, China is rapidly becoming an economic powerhouse working to assert its historic pre-industrial revolution position as the colossus of the world and eclipsing the Anglo-American power elites. In order to do so, China must have access to Russia’s raw materials.

      • Pilgrim

        MetaCynic, Thanks so much for your wealth of knowledge on the interactions of the players involved. You, of course, have heard about the scorpion who asked the turtle for help crossing a river. The turtle was wary and said “I’m afraid you’ll bite me”, to which the scorpion responded “It wouldn’t be in my best interests to bite you, I’m trying to cross the river.” So the turtle reluctantly agreed to help the scorpion. Half-way across the scorpion inflected his venomous sting on the turtle, the turtle then exclaimed “Why did you do that, now we’re both gonna die.” To which the scorpion answered “Because this is the middle-east.”

        And that explains why turkey shot down the Russian fighter jet.

        • MetaCynic

          I suspect that the shooting down of Russia’s plane was more than just an impulsive instinct programmed into Turkish DNA. As stupid as it appears to be, this attack seems to have been premeditated. Some cost benefit considerations must have gone into this decision. What did Turkey expect to gain? Was Turkey pressured into the attack by Washington? If so, what did Washington expect to gain? One would think that if he consulted them at all, Erdogan’s advisors would have cautioned against this provocation, especially since Putin could impose economic sanctions which would hurt an economic basket case Turkey more than it would hurt Russia.

          Perhaps once Russia starting attacking ISIS’s oil tanker convoys, Erdogan was sore at losing the bribe income from allowing those oil sales in Turkey. Anyway, since Russia and no one else has been invited by Assad to defend his regime against rebels, Russia can now, in retaliation against NATO’s meddling, legally shut down Syria’s airspace to all foreign military aircraft. Let’s hope that Obama has no stomach for war with Russia over a country 6,000 miles from America’s shores and only 600 miles from Russia’s.

  • JiminyWay

    This article has the basis of what’s going on in Syria.

    I have, also, read many insane claims and tin foil hat analysis that just astounds.

    It is clear that Russia is trying hard to get trading partners, it is so clear. If you follow their actions without bias when they are not provoked you will understand this. I ask, why in hell would Russia want a war with Turkey when it is trying so hard to be a trading partner with Turkey? Does that make any real sense to any sane person? Really? And what is to be gained by Russia to get into a war with Turkey or any other nation?

    The only reason Russia has done what it has in recent years is precisely a reaction to the crazy nut jobs in positions of power in Washington, D.C.; those are the bad actors. They have squandered the nation in blood, diplomacy, and economically.

  • No one special

    This thesis that USA wants to antagonize Russia is corroborated by the big media use of Russia and Russians as the bad guys in several TV series suddenly: case in point: Russian sleeper cells targeting a US senator in this week’s episode of Blindspot. It’s not a coincidence.

  • Martin the American redux

    DB, thanks for another outstanding article. Also, while I’ve disagreed with some of PCR’s opinions, fact is, he’s smarter compared toward myself. While I think that the three way war may be somewhat off, I am very much concerned about the possibility of starting up war against Russia for purely economic reasons. Sickening.

  • Danny B

    Different States have taken their turn in the headlines. The new one is
    Turkey. It is a very interesting place and I have travelled around there
    twice. Europe is divided from Asia at the Bosphorus and it also
    separates Asian Turkey from European Turkey.

    Turkey shot down a Russian plane and had a film crew there to prove it.
    It was evidently planned in advance. EVERYONE is horrified at their
    stupidity.

    “What Turkey did was unimaginable and the entire incident appears to create a diversion from its pending economic meltdown.”

    “All of this for a pipeline to compete with Russia to get gas from Saudi Arabia to Europe.”

    “This entire incident raises serious questions if the economic
    conditions in Turkey, being on the brink of a economic meltdown, did not
    deliberately try to provoke war to distract the world from its debt
    crisis. Turkey is being watched for many see it as the FIRST domino to
    fall in the Emerging Market Debt Crisis. ”
    http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/39792

  • Barney Biggs

    This is interesting but a short bit of research makes it more complicated.
    – Turkey is a leading buyer of Russian oil
    – Russia is the number one destination of Turkey’s exports
    – The Russian gas steaming pipeline was about to start through Turkey
    – Russia is building the first Turkish nuclear power station
    – Turkey is the number one destination for Russian tourists
    – Last year over 200K turks visited Russia

    Since incident last week Russia has blocked trucks from entering and exiting Russia from Turkey.
    Russian tourism has virtually stopped .

    While Russian economy is not good (whose is?) the Turkish is worse.

    Really do not know what is going on. Smart thing would be to declare it a mistake and move on but emotions and nationalism are now involved therefore logic has left by the back door.

    • Putin finally got angry. Perhaps now he begins to make mistakes.

      • Barney Biggs

        Perhaps but not so sure about that. I am more inclined to think he is sending a message that there are consequences if you mess with his operations. Not too dissimilar to what NATO and Obama did with him and Crimea. I know they are quite different but that is what world players seem to do.
        I would prefer he use economic retribution rather than military. Perhaps he is learning from the West.
        With the Turkish economy is in need of life support I will await and see if the US provides aid in the next few months to offset the Russian sanctions. Never let a good crisis go to waste even if you have to create one.
        That just might tell the story.

  • Barney Biggs

    I also could speculate that Russian attacks on ISIS oil fields had a two pronged intent:
    – Stop the revenue for ISIS and its ability to fund its operations.
    – Stop the flow of oil to Turkey and thereby increase the oil purchases from Russia by Turkey

  • Barney Biggs

    In my view NATO is the USA with a few bit players like my country.
    When you look at the USA and its economy you have to come to the conclusion that a significant portion of it relies on the industrial military complex. In order to maintain their military and industrial complex they must have an identifiable enemy and who better than Russia the traditional enemy. If they don’t have an active enemy they have to mfg one. China has too much economic clout to be in the running for a real enemy (despite the fact the USA is more threatened by China than anybody else etc. Islam.),and nobody else really qualifies now that Castro is a buddy.
    With the economic interdependence that Turkey and Russia have with each other the only reason that Turkey would pick a fight with Russia is with the pressure and backing of Washington. Washington is hoping that Putin reacts militarily to solidify its position as THE ENEMY.

    Remains to be seen if they get their Thanksgiving wish.

  • Danny B

    Turkey made lots of money selling stolen Syrian oil from ISIS. ISIS shot
    down a Russian airliner. Turkey is a base for ISIS. As revenge, Russia
    destroyed the business of stolen oil being transported to Turkey.
    Turkey shot down a Russian plane that was attacking ISIS in Syrian
    airspace. Turkey is / was collapsing economically. The loss of the oil
    will hurt them. So, Erdogan thought up the stupidest thing possible.
    He thought no matter how stupid he was, NATO would back him.

    “In Breaking News an hour ago Germany is withdrawing their anti-aircraft
    missiles from Turkey, along with British Patriot Missiles.”

    President Erdogan of Turkey has exceeded all norms of international behavior”

    http://www.rense.com/general96/interfallout.html

    “The Suicide of Turkey is now entering the first phase, which will soon
    be accompanied by NATO unless there’s a clear break with NATO on the
    immediate global-horizon.”

    “The cancer of radical Islam must be confronted and destroyed, if
    whatever remains of this world is to ever have any chance of surviving
    this global embrace of the Death Cult of Islamist Extremists”

    I think that radical stupidity should get equal time.
    Russia was going to send S-300 missiles to Syria. After the shootdown, they are sending S-400.
    The 400 can cover all of Cyprus, Syria and Lebanon,,,, all the way to israel’s international airport.

    as far as
    Israel’s international airport

  • With the prospect of the ‘problem, reaction, solution’ method of getting things done; the outcome for Russia of having a jet shot down is now they can justify scaling-up in a way unacceptable to NATO had this incident not occurred. That is not an undesirable outcome for Russia despite the cost being a life and a jet. On one hand it looks as if ‘Turkey’ shot down this jet but that is not to take into account the very fractured nature of the political ‘scene’ in Turkey. With Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and his pro-Islamic regime on one side, prospectively benefiting from and supporting factions in northern Syria and the Turkish military, on the other hand, with the series of high-profile Ergenekon trials concluded where 275 people, including military officers, journalists and opposition lawmakers, all alleged to be members of Ergenekon, a supposed secularist clandestine organization, accused of plotting against the Turkish government. Causing Russia to ‘scale-up’ looks like a home-goal if it was fully directed by Erdoğan’s pro-Islamic regime but a useful ploy for supporters of the Ergenekon secularist movement (and who are still present in today’s military).

  • Danny B

    Putin stated that he was completely taken by surprise at being stabbed in the back by Turkey. Reportedly, Turkey had been stalking Russian planes for several days. http://rbth.com/defence/2015/11/27/military-expert-turkish-air-force-stalked-rusian-jets-for-several-days_545071
    You can’t win a chess match if you aren’t willing to sacrifice a knight when it is demanded.

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