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EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW
Ron Paul on the Evolution of Freedom in the 21st Century
By Anthony Wile - June 22, 2014

Introduction: A leading free-market voice and political leader of the free-market movement in the United States, former Congressman Ron Paul (R-Tex) is also a medical doctor and a leading exponent of Austrian free-market economics. Dr. Paul retired from Congress in January 2013 after an unsuccessful run for Republican presidential nominee in 2012.

While Dr. Ron Paul came to politics somewhat later in life, Ron has had an enormous impact on American sociopolitical culture. The impact was initiated on a broad scale during Ron Paul's run for the presidency in 2008 when he competed with other candidates on the Republican ticket and received national airtime for his views.

For many Americans, this was the first time they had heard a message that was both anti-war and anti-state, yet delivered by a successful politician who had served his country in wartime and whose focus was on a strict interpretation of the Constitution. In fact, Ron Paul's insistence that Congress follow the Constitution in its legislative initiatives led to Dr. Paul receiving the moniker "Dr. No." Dr. Paul continues to refuse to accept the congressional pension to which he is entitled as a congressman, believing his acceptance of it would be "hypocritical and immoral."

After losing the 2008 Republican nomination to John McCain, Congressman Ron Paul founded the advocacy group Campaign for Liberty, developed the Ron Paul Curriculum and the Ron Paul Channel and is very involved with Young Americans for Liberty. Dr. Paul has also written several widely distributed books such as End The Fed and The Revolution: A Manifesto.

By virtue of Dr. Paul's education in free-market Austrian economics, his friendship with such luminaries as economist Murray Rothbard of the Ludwig von Mises Institute and his formidable grasp of the history of free markets, Ron Paul was well-positioned to become a leading figure in a conversation over the resurgence of freedom in America.

Daily Bell: Thank you for speaking with us, Dr. Paul. We know your time is short today so will keep our questions succinct. Please tell us first about the efforts you have you been most focused on since leaving Congress.

Ron Paul: I've done various things. A lot of people ask me if I've retired. I've retired from Congress but I'm probably busier than ever because I have a lot of projects going on. I'm busy with the Internet programming that I have with the Ron Paul Channel. I have a Ron Paul Curriculum, trying to get homeschooling moving along. I stay very involved with Young Americans for Liberty and travel to college campuses. I usually stay rather busy!

Daily Bell: Of the never-ending stream of "bad news" these days, what has you most concerned right now? What do you see as the most significant problem that the US faces?

Ron Paul: There's one problem I think the world faces, and the United States faces, which is a very generalized problem that I deal with all the time and I think is the source of all our troubles. That is the lack of understanding and determination to protect liberty for the people. If you do that you solve so many problems – economic, you have less war and all these other things.

But most of the time when people are interested in the most important issue they're looking for something maybe more specific and right now I think it involves foreign affairs. I think what's going on in Iraq verifies my position and the position of many others that have held for a long time that us being involved there and intervention in these internal affairs and squabbles around the world and being the policeman of the world doesn't lead to many good things. And it's coming back to haunt us right now. It's very expensive, a lot of people have died and after ten years, where are we? We're worse off than ever. It's getting so silly that we're actually talking about working with the Iranians to help us out in bringing about stability.

But it's not only stability in Iraq. It's regional. It has to do with oil. There are problems going on with our interventions everywhere from Libya to Egypt to the Middle East to Syria and Ukraine. It's just way too much and it contributes so much to our economic problems because it all costs a lot of money and leads to a lot of death. I think that's the greatest thing we face now. More specifically economically, I think the wave of the future the people will all of a sudden start talking about will be inflation, though I believe inflation is here because they're printing money like crazy. I think prices are going up in certain areas very significantly and it will finally get to the point where even the government statistics will have to admit that there is a lot of inflation in the system.

Daily Bell: Is the US, like Rome, doomed to fall or can the pre-Civil War laissez faire republic be brought back?

Ron Paul: I work on the assumption that you can save the republic and it can come back but not in a conventional way. Although I'm involved in political activity, in trying to help people get elected and stay involved, I do not believe the republic is going to be saved by electing two or three or ten more members of Congress who are very sincere about doing the right things. I think it's good. I think it's beneficial only in providing answers for the long term.

So I see the republic and our liberties being much further undermined – because they are constantly being undermined. If you think of what's happened since 9/11, our liberties have been taken away constantly and I think that's going to get much, much worse and we're going to have a lot more violence, not only around the world but here at home and the economic problems are going to get much worse. And indeed, our liberties and our republic will be threatened and in many ways we don't have the fundamentals at all anymore.

But on the positive side, I think there are a lot of people waking up. For once in the history of Keynesianism more and more people, and and the young people I've talked to at the college level, are realizing that there's something seriously wrong with the economic model of Keynesianism, this idea that you can print money and run up debt and it doesn't have any consequence. So we have a tremendous opportunity. The failure of Keynesianism in the 20th century shows that fascism and communism are evil monsters and they don't work and they've finally collapsed. And authoritarianism doesn't work, and telling people how to run their lives. And I think there's a growing movement. The freedom movement is alive and well.

Now, how we go from here to having a much better system it's hard to tell but it's not going to be gradual and smooth. I think we're going to have things get much, much worse here, more attacks on our liberties and maybe a total breakdown of our economy, with then an opportunity if we lay the groundwork for having a generation of individuals realize what can replace the system we have.

That's exactly what the left did, the Keynesians and the socialists. For years and years they controlled the thought processes and the thought leaders and they were teaching and preaching all this government intervention, the Federal Reserve System, pushing of interest rates and economic planning. I think the wave is different and I believe that if we continue the momentum we can pick up the pieces and have a much better society than we've had in a long time.

Daily Bell: How much of that waking up, as you said, can be contributed to the Internet? And do you see it growing worldwide or only in the US?

Ron Paul: I think the Internet is key to it and is the one reason why I have my Internet program. Fewer and fewer people depend on regular TV and you see more programs being deleted from TV. So the Internet is the wave of the future and that's one of the reasons the freedom movement is growing, because it's not dependent on the establishment. When I got interested in these ideas in the '50s and '60s it was very, very difficult to get any information but today it's so easy and it spreads like a wildfire. I think it's fantastic and hopefully, that is so, so big that no one government can close it down. I'm betting somebody who knows a lot more about computers than I do will be able to maintain some type of communication on the Internet.

It is worldwide. I've said it so many times – this is not a Republican deal. We're not just trying to improve the Republicans and make it a better party. If the ideas are correct they will be pervasive, just like the interventionist foreign policy and Keynesian intervention economics. That was endorsed by the Republicans and Democrats; they just argued over who got to be the managers. And I think this is what's going on and it's worldwide and if we continue to improve on our successes, it will influence not only Republicans and Independents and Democrats; it will be worldwide. I hear from a lot of people around the world and I do travel out of the country, who are encouraged and are anxious to hear the message.

Daily Bell: What do you think of drug legalization? Is it a good idea to legalize marijuana? How about other drugs?

Ron Paul: I don't look at it in that narrow sense. I look at it in the broad sense of legalizing freedom, the freedom of choice, and that includes everything that you put into your body, everything that you put into your soul, your religious beliefs, everything you put into your mind, your intellectual pursuits. We don't tend to watch and regulate those so why should we regulate anything we put into our bodies? I would just say legalize freedom. Let people make the choices.

The biggest hurdle for people to get over is the fact that if you legalize something it doesn't mean you endorse it. Just because I legalize freedom of choice in religion, that doesn't mean I endorse violence by some religions or anything else, or some religions that make no sense. But if they're nonviolent, people get to make their choices. And the same way on personal habits.

The key thing about personal habits and individual liberty is if people make bad choices, whether they make bad choices in their social behavior or bad choices in their economic behavior, they have to suffer the consequences and they can never go to the government and to their neighbor and use force to bail them out. They have to assume responsibility for it.

So I'm for legalizing all freedom that does not initiate violence against another person.

Daily Bell: You stated you see an overarching economic crash coming, so where do you see the Federal Reserve in that overall collapse?

Ron Paul: One thing is for sure, the Federal Reserve and those who benefit – everything from the military-industrial complex to all welfarists – they will not take it easily. Although we've made great progress in the last eight years and have actually had the bill in the House passed that would audit the Federal Reserve, the people who benefit from it are very, very determined not to allow that to happen. So I think we have to keep doing it. I keep working with that to make sure everybody knows what it is, because when we repeal it we don't want another Federal Reserve System; we want constitutional money and we want commodity money and we want freedom of choices in it. And that is the important thing.

But I don't think we'll legislate the Fed out of existence. Even I don't say it would be wise to take the key and lock the door and close down the Federal Reserve System tomorrow. It would be rather chaotic. But I do believe the system will self-destruct because, although we've benefited tremendously by being able to issue the reserve currency of the world, that is coming to an end. It will come to an end. It's a nonviable system. And we just have to fight bad ideas with good ideas and, as far as I'm concerned, the good ideas come from the Austrian economists and commodity money and freedom of choice.

Daily Bell: What do you suggest individuals be doing now toward rebuilding now what we want to exist after the collapse? As opposed to fighting what we've got now, should we be building toward what we want next?

Ron Paul: I think the most important thing is education, spreading the message, which is where we're having success, and getting people to understand free-market economics – why it's good and why it's beneficial to the largest number of people and the reason we had a large middle class at one time. And the only responsibility that each of us has is to educate ourselves. We can't just listen to the propaganda of the government or the misplaced education that most of us got from our colleges and public schools. We have to challenge that and that's the great part about the Internet – we can find those answers.

After each and every one of us did that then there will always be a role we can play. It will be different. Some of us stay involved in education, others in politics, some people become writers and then others might apply it to their investment opportunities, looking at investments and things and saying this is what's coming; you ought to be prepared. Everybody has a responsibility first to understand the system and then be available and be willing to share that, not only with your friends and neighbors but anybody who asks you for the information. And hopefully, these ideas will spread.

Nobody should be discouraged because you don't have to make sure 51 percent of the people understand exactly what's going on; you have to have that 7 or 8 or 9 percent of people who are intellectual leaders who reach other people and explain to the majority why you must go along with liberty versus authoritarianism because we now live in an age of authoritarianism, which has proven to be a failure through the many, many centuries of all the history we've recorded.

Daily Bell: What gives you the most hope right now?

Ron Paul: I think I get the biggest encouragement from talking to young people figuring this out. Their minds are more open, they're aware of the problems. And, once again, they're not the 51 percent but the ones who will come out and get involved in the many projects I have are very, very enthusiastic about learning and being involved. Some of them get involved in politics and some do other things like teaching. I think that's where I get the greatest encouragement.

And, of course, the places where I go I get more support from people who are probably under 30. But then again, there are a few over 30 that know better and remember times that were different, when government was smaller and things were better and people were self-reliant. So I think nobody can measure those numbers of people out there but there are a lot of people who are very sympathetic and we just have to persist. And I think that is what's happening.

We're having a lot of determined people, not only because we have the access to the Internet but because of the blatant failures. I noticed a big blip in interest in what I was talking about with the Fed when the housing bubble burst and there'll be another giant movement in our direction when the next crash comes, which I suspect is not too far off.

Daily Bell: Thanks for your time!

After Thoughts

Ron Paul makes a lot of good points in this terrific interview. But two of the most important have to do with (1) young people's receptiveness to messages about freedom and (2) how the Internet is helping to spread the education that necessarily must accompany free-market thinking.

When one looks at what is going on in the Western world, one can be forgiven for being baffled and even disbelieving. The "matrix" that provides justifications for authoritarianism and even spiritual death is so extensive as to be difficult to comprehend.

It encompasses militarism, economics, education and socio-political issues. In each case, one finds justifications for the "leadership" of just a few. The cult of the "expert" is all encompassing because if we don't believe in experts, we cannot accept the mind-boggling totality of what we are told to believe.

Against this promotional background, people like Ron Paul stand out – speaking "truth to power" – and doing their best to undo the mind control around us.

Ron Paul knows it won't take 50 percent of the people to effect a change, or 10 percent. Five, six or seven percent will do. And he is busy using the Internet to reach those people, especially young people who have, as he points out, the open minds that are necessary to process and accept historical truths.

Of course, that's one reason Ron Paul is for the legalization of marijuana and other controlled substances. People ought to be responsible for their own actions. The interference of the Nanny State uses such "victimless crimes" to justify far worse incursions into people's natural rights and freedoms.

Here at High Alert we support the legalization of marijuana, as well. But we are also aware of the much larger issues that Ron Paul regularly confronts – and which we often write about.

Ron Paul is a thought leader for the freedom community, and as such continues to educate a younger generation that will build on his legislative, philosophical and literary achievements. There's not much in this modern world that is more important.

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  • Bill Ross

    RP: Greatest Problem: “That is the lack of understanding and determination to protect liberty for the people.”

    history offers only one “liberty solution”, proven to work. All others (failures) involve the unproductive enslaving the productive under some bogus pretext, destroying ability / motivation to be productive and inciting class warfare of “all against all”, making life “nasty, brutish and short”:

    http://www.nazisociopaths.org/modules/article/view.article.php/c1/34

    rather than “terror of the governed”, we need to return to fully informed, voluntary “consent of the governed” and, our “public servants” (standing armies, eating of OUR sustenance) need to “earn their keep”, or, be turfed for “being an impediment”.:

    http://www.nazisociopaths.org/modules/article/view.article.php/c1/37

    The “lack of understanding” is due to information control / Pavlov conditioning / information subversion reinforcing the FALSE OPINION that civilization is a “balance of powers” between inherently hostile groups, requiring a “master predator” to smite all dissenters. Problem is, these groups are composed of individuals who do not share the alleged group characteristics unless they have been lobotomized “to conform”:

    http://www.nazisociopaths.org/modules/article/view.article.php/c8/42

    • The idea of liberty can fuel revolutions where ‘we’ are conditioned by ‘bad cop’ to trust ‘good cop’ who then asserts power in ways that replicate or even surpass ‘bad cop’.
      If in teaching liberty we are actually teaching enslavement with the promise of a ‘future’ deliverance then means and ends have been reversed.
      Our core beliefs and definitions are the ‘creative vector’ to all that comes thereafter. And our reactions to all that comes thereafter condition us or reinforce the identity and its ‘reality’.
      How to translate “we need to….” into “I will” and “I am”?

      What is the non coercive means that brings about an education in the appreciation of true freedom – as opposed to the falsely framed non-choices that renact and reinforce a coercive or tyrannous sense of identity struggle in relationship?

      One surely is to become responsible for what comes out from our mouth – or in modern parlance from our mind.
      If one desires freedom to live the life that moves in our hearts as our sense of potential for joy and fulfilment then the communication channels themselves have to be cleared. Unless we are truly receptive, we cant communicate because we ‘already have decided’.

      I’m interjecting because you embody a passionate desire and what I say may or may not invite a fruitful exchange.
      Intellect guided by intuition can often assemble inspired ideas – but only an integrated consciousness can embody them. Ideas – even inspired ideas – can easily become a basis for coercion. Put another way – we are not merely machines to program with ‘new ideas’ although in a sense our own personality construct in many ways is.

      • Bill Ross

        “a fruitful exchange”

        dunno, matters seem pretty simple.

        We, meaning all of mankind AGREE: none of us wants to be aggressed against.

        The same “we” lack consensus on: is it OK to initiate aggression against others? (to me, an insane question unless “others” are dehumanized which is even more insane)

        seems to me this will be resolved by pushback of those aggressed upon making the path forward (and backward) VERY CLEAR:

        “Tolerate NONE to be predator, nor prey” OR ELSE (we are living it)

        my intellect is guided by the “facts of life”.

        I keep my spiritualism to myself, since, in the area of the unprovable, there is no room for common ground, including language. Which is why “public debate” on any issue NEVER “gets real”.

        • On the contrary, victimhood is used as a means of coercion in ways that mere aggression don’t achieve… just look at Israel. Most humans protect and nurture their grievances and defend against healing because they believe they get something out of it – otherwise no one would hold onto poison or clutch burning coals to their breast.

          The hidden agenda of the segregated self sense is hatred and vengeance. Because this is rarely acceptable

          a mask is drawn over it that plays the relative innocent. The one who shows a fair face but is exposed to countless assaults on its ‘tolerance’ so as to inevitable be brought to justify attacking (operating its underlying attack mode) on the basis of its victimhood – or indeed the victimhood of others whom it uses as proxy.

          Then there is the trickery that can be used to bait proportionate aggression in another in sneaky ways and then expose them to a larger awareness and direct ‘justified righteous’ aggression or punishment on them.

          Most have this sort of thing in their armoury at age 3-5. False flags are second nature to a desire for one-up-man-ship and vengeance.

          The ‘art of deception’ is to mask a very complex strategy or device of trickery in a very simple seeming matter of fact reality. The consciousness beneath our experience of the ‘world’ is extraordinarily complex and multilevelled but understandably, most want to ‘play in it’ rather than wake to the technology beneath the movie.

          Spirituality is simply another word for honest physics as far as I am concerned. Whatever permission slips we choose to uncover the greater perspective than the one we believe we are operating within does not have to ‘agree’ or be proved by anyone but the one who uses it.

          What can be proven is that one does not need to employ coercive force or guile to live and share life – but for this to be discovered one has to own up to the fearful or guilt-based self beliefs and definitions that necessitate or fruit as a coercive mentality and its reflection of conflicted reality.

          I’m not ‘after you or interested in personal combat – just felt to connect when I read the ‘we must change the world’ – because there may be a baby in the bathwater – but WHO, HOW and WHEN?

          I know the term ‘we’ can become a sort of co-opting generalisation – as can ‘them’. But we do not have to nit pick if we can risk being real enough to communicate as honestly as we may in an honouring way.

          I end up with the feeling that ‘never gets real’ is the sort of label for ‘other people’, institutions or movements that so consistently fail our hopes, desires and expectations.

          I am of the opinion that ANY degree of communication witnesses to the power of Consciousness – and thus war (coercion) is first and foremost upon communication itself.

          The facts of life don’t have consensus either. It is true that every action will result in equal and opposite reaction – and yet this mechanism is utilised by manipulators to sow division and conflict. One hardly has to do anything once the fire catches – hatred and fear and vengeance and blame are so readily given welcome when injustice, heresy, enemy and threat are ‘identified’ in the ‘other’.

          The action of the whole being is not reaction. It doesn’t rise from fear and guilt nor feed or propagate them. This is the dissolving of the sickness of conflict by non use. Just recognize when the mind is sick and don’t use that as a basis for acting out from. Using forceful communication, holding a clear presence, standing in a clear sense of a shared integrity, giving true witness to your fellow human beings and your world – these are not expressions of hate and fear – nor of the masked hate and fear that operate as ‘politics of persuasion’.

          What IS then the basis for a real communication? Is it not simply an extension of honesty?

          It doesn’tmatter if agreement is or isn’t reached. Nothing NEED be ‘decided’ determined or resolved. In fact communication is lost if it HAS to fulfil a predetermined outcome or agenda. But of course we can be open to the spontaneous fruits of giving and receiving in a shared sense of value.
          Herein perhaps is the root of a truly abundant economy!

  • Sean Allison

    RP is a hero of mine, even though he is religious and I’m an atheist. Even though I’m 100% anti-governance (state) and he has spent a career ‘preaching’ constitutionalism. (Personally, I think he has just been pragmatic in this regard.)

    This is because his is one of the greatest (and I do not use that word lightly) examples of a life of purpose, integrity, discipline and steadfastness of principle I’ve ever known. And that is not just in my lifetime. But it is in my awareness in history as well.

    I recall the moment, in a republican presidential primary debate in 2007. When he made the point that 9/11 was the result of blow-back for US corruption abroad. Giuliani, took offense, and demanded Paul recant.

    This elderly, simple-spoken plain man, with 70 years of consistent behavior behind it, took the mike, cleared his throat, and not only did not apologize. Instead he made his point again, and even more strongly, igniting flames of reason, responsibility and freedom that burn to this day. (Not to mention setting the stage for more similar moments we all enjoyed.)

    This single individual, upon the strength of one life well lived, stood up against elite media, faux-grandiose sophistication, staged audience and interlocuters, indeed nothing less than evil brute force and deception that has had its way almost w/o resistance for a century and more. All this was arrayed against him that evening. And he stood alone and held it all at bay, with scarce more than a whisper.

    To me, that was goodness. That was true strength. That was greatness.

    (See it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjQYg5RoH2s)

    Happy to read this interview. Many good points. The Bell carries on the same flame, from the same integrity. I’m grateful for both.

    • WinnieR

      His farewell speech in the House:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqi6paX3ong

    • davidnrobyn

      I gave you a click on the good side, Sean. Having done that, I must ask: Is it barely possible that the virtues displayed in Ron Paul’s life might, just might, have grown from his religious worldview? I think of the Man Whom Ron Paul follows as a Christian, who exemplified those characteristics you praise, to the nth degree.

      • Sean Allison

        Thank you. I used to think just the same, having been a committed Christian for my first 35 years. It is very difficult to say *why* a man has done and been what he has done and been. There are both religious and non-religious men of high character. Conversely, there are scoundrels from both worldviews. I attempt to judge a man by his deeds and leave the reasons up to him.
        Kind regards.

  • $6618258

    Sadly, most US voters ignored, dismissed or ridiculed what Ron Paul was saying. We sowed the seeds of our own downfall & now we are reaping the whirlwind of our own destruction. The USA is failing on many fronts:

    1. Foreign policy: we did not pursue a policy of non-interference in the affairs of other nations that pose no direct, imminent or serious threat to us.
    2. Economic: we did not pursue real level playing field free market policies, we instead pursued “crony capitalism” & socialism. We are on the verge of bankruptcy for running up an unsustainable debt because we did not balance our budget & live within our means.
    3. Monetary: we did not continue with Constitutional money (gold & silver), but we instead allowed a group of private bankers take monopoly control of the US dollar & turn it into unbacked fiat money not worth the paper it’s printed on (& in this computer age, not worth the 1s & 0s in cyberspace).
    4. Constitutional freedoms: our Constitutionally guaranteed freedoms are now regularly trampled upon by out-of-control big government. We have become government dependent slaves.
    5. Law: our government is run by an oligarchy that is “above the law” & they regularly now pass laws that they exempt themselves from, but enforce upon everyone else.
    6. Military: we are engaged in continuous, unnecessary warfare to the benefit of the military industrial complex at the expense of everyone else & which stretches our military too far for too long & to the breaking point. We often lose the wars.
    7. Political: our politicians no longer represent “We the People”, but the Power Elite that get them into office. We are no longer a Constitutional Republic. We are an authoritarian oligarchy, in fact, a plutocracy of the very wealthy.
    8. Spiritual: we no longer follow the Biblical principles our nation was once founded upon.

    • Duncan Bray

      your country was NOT founded on ‘biblical’ anything, my friend. ‘Dr.’ Paul is perhaps well meaning, and no doubt a voice in wilderness of crony politics, and as such, I laud his intentions. However, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. He’s JUST NOT VERY INTELLIGENT, and this is the major problem. You DESPERATELY need some kind of decent leadership down there and his efforts hopefully will contribute in this. However, he succumbs, as you do, to drooling ideology. You have been indocrinated with the mantra ‘socialism BAD .. ‘free enterprise’ GOOD’ and like one comic on late night TV used to do, when common sense and reason try to engage you, you stick your fingers in your ears, close your eyes and start chanting ‘BLAH BLAH BLAH’ to drown it all out … much like this ideologue site.

      • OK, Mr. Bray, just whom would you suggest as a “leader?” to bring more socialism to the US. You do realize the US redistributes over US$3 trillion from fedgov already? How much more is necessary in your view? Should people simply turn over their entire paychecks?

        • Duncan Bray

          I have no suggestions for WHO .. WHAT, on the other hand … sure. ( just don’t follow the particulars on who’s doing what that much, as it has appeared to be ‘cogs in the machine’ for a long time now … I follow your postings because of your sincerity, which I do applaud … and also because of you do occasionally provide some alternate news info) /// ‘redistribute’ is just NOT how socialism WORKS … this supposes the ‘trickle down’ kind of BS, and the elitist mindset that it comes from. ‘We are superior to you peons… be good little people, cause no problems, and we’ll give you a little more’. // socialism is about ‘we the people ARE society, the engine of the economy, we will pay YOU what you are worth in your management ROLE in the whole system’ //// I actively (too actively, according to my wife… ‘are you gonna DO these dishes .. NOW? … stop that BS and DO SOME WORK around here’ ) participate in a few places online for the sole purpose of supplying what’s left of what was once a very large brain, to the immediate, desperate even, need to save our species. In this, we probably concur … things are dangerous, at a level they may never have been before. WHAT to do about it, however, I doubt we agree about … yet. However, thank you for your time and energy with it all … your country NEEDS MORE engaged, intelligent young people … PARTICIPATING. I enjoy reading your articles/ideas.

          • Glad to hear. But the weakness of socialism is that SOMEONE has to make decisions about how to distribute society’s revenues. Anyway, you misunderstand free-market thinking. In a real laissez faire society, people would likely inhabit much smaller communities and have far greater input into them. In fact, some of those societies might adopt a system similar to what you consider socialism. But the Levithan oriented socialism you probably advocate is simply and inevitably an invitation to genocide.

          • In any relationship of shared or common purpose decisions are to be arrived at. How they are arrived at is a ‘freedom’ in that we can engage our presence in whatever way we are moved, but that they will be decided is inevitable – because even deciding not to decide is an outcome.
            I hold and teach that communication is the honest means for arriving at an outcome and is thus a way of free willingness to participate rather than engage coercive intent that seeks to co-opt or usurp a process of communication with a fixed agenda – or indeed a private agenda.
            The ‘battle of political identities’ works as a fixed template of mutually destructive assertions and invalidations that become a definition for ‘stuck’.
            The personal identity itself is the level that is being defined in a fixed and negative framework. Hence the ‘stuck’ is actually the opportunity to become curious of the underlying belief structure of one’s personal identity. This of course is the last thing that occurs or attracts the desire to animate and embody such identity – and hence is why many human beings save such learning for their last moments or only when all else has demonstrably failed.
            In any relationship, a process of willingness for a communication will result in a perspective from which a step may be taken as an expression of such willingness. It may come from the leader, or the follower, or from or through any agency – but the focus is in the listening for the way of it.
            In war, the focus is on blocking and coercing communication because it is seen as a threat to a fixed point of view – which is NOT open to communication.
            Despite the collective choice for a mind or war, communication IS occurring but unconsciously and beneath the capacity of a filtered mentality to recognize and accept – and so there is what is actual and there is a perceptual disconnect which is maintained and reinforced via the mechanism of conditioned reaction.
            True Authority is that which the human consciousness has defaulted to usurp. But it remains true that if we listen in the heart, with integrity, we uncover information and perspective that serves a reintegrative purpose. But to persist in asserting a self-wilfullness of disconnecting fixed position serves a segregative and disconnecting ‘divide and rule’ mentality.
            The forms that ‘divide and rule’ can express itself through are legion – but it is not the form that is the meaning – but the mentality of its embodiment.
            Form-focussed mentality IS a conditioned program. Discernment feels through such presentations for what is actually communicating. If the form of a communication is masquerading as a relationship, it is not to be engaged with at that level but discernment is called forth as to how best to communicate as an expression of an actual willingness for relationship. If there were ‘set rules’ as to how to relate, there would be no dance of life, no shared journey of discovery, no revelation of the nature of love – but simply a blind mechanism.
            When SOMEONE is given – or assumes power to make decisions as a personal capacity then a deception is engaged in by which Consciousness or true Relations is denied to the playing out of competitive appetite – of a self-specialness pitted against others. In itself this need not be seen as a SIN – but as a habit that once owned, becomes a choice that can be reevaluated in the true context of the moment at hand. But while our ‘self-gratifications’ are seen as SIN, they are hidden, masked, dressed up in forms of respectability until the society decides sin is simply the natural way of human mechanism and redefines it as honesty.
            All the ‘isms’ are obsolete. Ideology is obsolete. The mentality of coercion is starkly revealed that was always active before but less obvious to those engaged in their identity.
            Here at the end of such identity is a stark choice; a mentality of assertive coercive denial or a willingness to listen and in a sense be reintegrated to the Consciousness that is always present beneath the appearances and conditionings which are in a sense our co-creation in absence of a deeper integrity.
            For the world we experience is not just ‘happening to us’ but is filtered and given meanings that we have personally and collectively accepted and DECIDED to make our own.
            If a SOMEONE has to make decision as to how to live then let it be arrived at in an honourable way – allowing that we are deeply habituated to fear and cannot abandon our old belief system until we have grown a new one.
            The willingness to listen is also the desire that any voice that is denied, rejected or un-heard is allowed to speak and is embraced in a willingness to listen. The miracle is uncovered where the grievance seemed to be – but is not under conscious ‘control’ of SOMEONE. To feel a way of walking and working together is a living relationship. The attempt to escape this by means of applying mechanical templates is the demand to remain UNCONSCIOUS – in dreams of a SOMEONE who refuses relationship to prefer instead the reflections of their own image-ing.
            Everything that has been ‘divided’ and set against itself is a faceted WHOLE. This appreciation is not withheld us – excepting we each withhold our true presence from our creations – from our thought, belief and definitions – and engage a partiality at the expense of our own wholeness instead of creatively exploring a unique perspective within a wholeness.
            The term free market is used and abused like any other symbol. A market of deception may be propagated as ‘free to get more without giving true value’. This mentality collectively engaged is effecting planeticide. Disconnecting from Life in order to coerce and exploit it has only one outcome. The idea of a private mentality over and against all else is not a true foundation – even if it can be experienced as if it were reality.

        • Duncan Bray

          … perhaps ‘socialism’ and ‘communism’ is really what this is about. They are different … // bottom line, as a species, we have to deal with the aberrant gene that will never go away, and produces sociopaths, a small percentage of whom crave power, are extremely intelligent, and very dangerous to the rest of us. We have yet to come up with a ‘perfect’ system for this … some think it impossible. I am one who think it IS possible … and that’s my main purpose in blathering online in forums such as this one. Let’s save the species!! DON’T believe the Koch bro types that feed you a crock … we can do it .. we MUST do it.

      • $6618258

        1. Small government with low taxes & level playing field free markets result in the most efficient economy geared to peoples real needs & a higher growth GDP. Big government with high taxes & central planning by a supposedly smart & well educated few has resulted in inefficient economies & lower growth GDP. Millions of people making individual choices is better than choices made by a select few. The select few will also tend to abuse their power to the detriment of everyone else. Just an accident of history that the USA grew so fast?
        2. I also find it more than just a coincidence that the farther the USA falls away from the Biblical principles it was once founded upon, the more likely it will soon collapse. As we turn our back on the God of the Bible, He will turn His back on us. The most commonly quoted book at America’s founding: the Bible by far! Read history, my skeptical friend. Nowadays, the Bible is hardly ever quoted or considered by a leader.

        • StevieB

          I agree Frank about the free market stuff, but what biblical principles are we turning our backs on?

      • Bill Ross

        I think you took a wrong turn at the intelligent sign.

        • davidnrobyn

          One key giveaway that the speaker is a liberal, I’ve found, is the accusation that someone (especially an ideological opponent) is “JUST NOT VERY INTELLIGENT”. This seems to be a common thread running through all liberal argumentation. (Not applied to you, btw.)

      • john cummins

        Troll?

    • WinnieR

      3. Our debt is backed by the property of the people. Land as Collateral for our debt:
      http://www.newswithviews.com/brownfield/brownfield59.htm

      video reading of the 3/9/1933 Congressional Record of bank bailout (scrib deleted the copy from the Congressional Record)

      http://www.newswithviews.com/brownfield/brownfield59.htm

  • Jim Johnson

    I had to go see this man speak when he came through, and was impressed with the sense of security he had among Americans in a large loose venue. No shields nor bodyguards staring out from behind sunglasses. I knew nothing I read or heard would do anything but attempt to put me off, and frankly, is one of the reasons I found your site here at DB. I watched a guy put his life on the line for his message, and so must have others, as my first caucus was laser focused on undoing any influence he had among us. Let us Hear every one of these good voices, and find our way through the maze of Fixing that is headed at us.

  • 45clive

    Canada used to have a freedom movement. Preston Manning was a sort of Ron Paul lite. The Reformers originally refused to enroll in the Parliamentary Pension and got a lot of press for this stand. Once their point was made they quietly accepted the pension, which is far richer than any ordinary Canadian could expect, or should expect. Dr. Paul continues to refuse the congressional pension. He also refuses to compromise on his other principles. Some of us are like that; but obviously not Harper, Strahl and nearly all the original Reform group. There was a freedom movement in Canada once; it was subverted into the most authoritarian system that has ever gripped Canada.

    • Bill Ross

      These globalist “deals” are selling out our sovereignty. Our “peacekeepers” are now co-opted to be stealth aggressors and, Canadians have not a clue that we have become a NWO colony. I call it treason.

      so, how do you tell if someone is Canadian?

      A: stomp on their foot and see if they apologize.

      …and American?

      A: refuse to let them stomp on you and be smited.

      • Duncan Bray

        … stomp on my foot and you’ll wake up in hospital. Your ‘history’ teaches you that AMMERRRIKA THE GREAT won WWII, which it entered, VERY late, lost few lives in comparison to other countries, and somehow is a shining example of ‘what a bunch of tough guys we are’ … when in fact, you’ve LOST every war you engaged in, you STOLE you’re wealth from others who initially welcomed you, you’re ‘glorious people’ are historically vile misfits. Canadians are taught to be quiet about there role in the world, generally, and DO things, generally positive, which is why we are welcomed … why travelling AmeriKans used to wear Canadian lapel pins … however, as they still tended to act like pigs, folks wised up to that one.

        • Bill Ross

          The best I can figure, is U think I`m a yank and, need to vent and project. Water off a duck’s back.

        • WinnieR

          Amerikans were not well received by Europeans even before Vietnam. But those Europeans sure did like the Amerikan dollar.

        • dfacts

          Delete “AMMERRRIKA THE GREAT” from the WWII timeline, and you would now be writing and speaking German and wearing Nazi ankle bracelets…if you were still alive!

    • Duncan Bray

      Pressed-on Manning was, and remains a drooling idiot … an ankle grabber for AmeriKa, and NOTHING more. Whatever ‘principles’ you allude to were most certainly NOT shared by the majority in my country, which is why the guy faded into ‘Laughing-stock Land’, where he’s now King Of The World, a legend in his own mind. /// Socialism is under attack here now, by a lying, cheating, repressed homosexual pedophile who is quickly on the way to becoming the most despised man in our history. /////// ‘Freedom’ movements are almost always fronts for fascism … REAL fascism .. the unfettered rule of the 1% … just like AmeriKa’s ‘revolution’ .. the suckering of the many, to lay their lives on the line, for the few. This ‘revolution’ was well summed up in a pop song of my generation … ”.. say ‘hi’ to the new boss … same as the old boss ” /// you replaced one set of sociopaths, with a smarter, more evil set of sociopaths.

      • Marten

        Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to understanding of ourselves…..Carl Jung

    • davidnrobyn

      I think the relative merits of your ideas and those of Duncan below are immediately apparent in a cursory examination of the two. Yours–restrained, thoughtful, moderate. His–name-calling, mocking, sneering, belittling. An easy call.

  • Bill Ross

    forgot to mention. RP is one of my favorite contemporary “boat rockers”. Too bad ’bout the company he had to keep.

  • Finn Andreen

    No mention of Rand Paul at all. Strange, why is that?

  • Earl of Isadore

    “… especially young people …”

    I always wince a little bit whenever I read this sentiment.

    I understand that this is Dr. Paul’s perspective as he is visiting college campuses but he may not be as aware of the older people who have experienced first hand how the big promotions are playing out and aren’t buying it. Sure, Ron Paul Girls get attention but I think the core of the 5% is going to be older folks who have heard it all before and understand better what is being lost.

    Education of the young is key but I’m not sure a critical mass of young people are yet able to sort out the attractive-seeming distortions that are everywhere, from the truth. It does seem that the posters at DB are older though this is a small sample.

    Brings to mind the adage: “If a man is not a socialist at 20 he has no heart, but if he remains one at 30 he has no head.” which doesn’t prove anything but does have a ring of truth regarding stages of life.

    • WinnieR

      George Bernard Shaw: “Youth is wasted on the young”

    • lawrence

      by the time the singularity hits in 10 years, you will know what he was talking about

    • davidnrobyn

      I do agree with you (especially since I’m one of those “older folks”!) But the fact is, in our society the ideas and opinions of older people are increasingly marginalized–both as time goes on, and as the demographic in question is older and older. In other words, the opinions of 60-somethings count for less than those of 50-somethings, etc. This is the opposite of the situation in many cultures, where the opinions of the elder members of society are revered (and increasingly, as those members grow older). It’s all part and parcel of “modernity”, and of the youth culture.

      Q: How did this situation come about? IMHO, it’s a product of mass marketing. Madison Avenue is largely responsible. They are the largest, most successful brainwashing operation in history. And they’ve colluded with the Darwin-extrapolationists who conclude that evolution is more that a biological theorem, but applies in all areas of thought and existence: “(Evolution) is a general postulate to which all theories, all
      hypotheses, all systems must henceforward bow and which they must
      satisfy in order to be thinkable and true. Evolution is a light which
      illuminates all facts, a trajectory which all lines of thought must
      follow.”–attributed to Teilhard de Chardin

      So, by definition, that which comes after is superior to that which is before. Note the recent flap over the Washington “Redskins”. One argument advanced against the nickname, which I read over and over in editorials, is that it is “outdated”! As though that were a MORAL failing. And in a sense, in a society which has lost much of its ability to deem things good or evil, true or false, it is. We’re left with a very narrow range of criteria to judge such, and relative recentness is one of those criteria. A false one at that.

  • rahrog

    Thank God for Ron Paul. How did the people of America miss such a great mind? Long live revolution! Long live resistance! SECEDE…SECEDE…SECEDE…

  • Danny B

    ” They have to assume responsibility for it”,,, RADICAL. We have a large part of the population that believes; if my life isn’t perfect, it must be someone else’s fault.

    They have to assume responsibility for it.

  • quest2quest

    Dr. Paul 2016.

  • HRearden

    In 2012 I voted for Dr. Paul in the primary election in my state. That was the last time I voted. I did not cast a ballot in the general election in 2012. http://youtu.be/oiH_XnqnyHU

  • The Corporate elite and Bankster’s could not allow him to him. So, they cheated as you will be able to view in these links. Nothing like the real thing baby!

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    Ron Paul’s 2002 Predictions All Come True – Incredible Video

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    Ron Paul WINNING State Delegate Majorities/Massive Turnout at Rallies (Feb-Apr 2012)

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  • ron17571

    It’s all about personal freedom. Maybe people will wake up to how freedoms and liberty’s are slowly being taken away. I wonder how many people actually know what agenda 21 is. Or look at what global warming is truly about.

  • whatsups

    To ron17571, many are aware of agenda 21, but not enough. Rosa Koira wrote,”Behind the Green Mask” exposing agenda 21. Her answer to what is agenda 21 is scary. “Agenda 21 is the action plan, blue print to inventory and control all the land, water, minerals, livestock, plants, construction, means of production, education, information, and human beings in the world. It is being implemented right now in your town.”

    Ron Paul is heaven sent for his message about freedom is inspiring and natural. We are growing even though it is hard to measure but keep pushing every chance you get. You may reach people in the most unexpected places. It is always fun to put your fist in the air and shout,”Ron Paul, Ron Paul, Ron Paul”!

  • davidnrobyn

    Wow, so much good stuff in this interview. I have to choose carefully what to comment on! This quote:

    “The key thing about personal habits and individual liberty is if people make bad choices, whether they make bad choices in their social behavior or bad choices in their economic behavior, they have to suffer the consequences and they can never go to the government and to their neighbor and use force to bail them out. They have to assume responsibility for it.”

    Fantastic. Basically, the idea is full adulthood.

    Also, it seems that Dr. Paul and DB have a difference of opinion as to how many people it will take to effect change–whether “7 or 8 or 9%” (Ron) or “5, 6 or 7%” (DB)! 🙂 But that’s a key insight. I hear so much moaning and groaning in these and other pages by commenters as to how ignorant and apathetic the American public is. They miss the point that all these societal trends originate with the thinkers and then filter down. Joe Couch Potato eventually absorbs the concepts by osmosis. If you asked him where he got those ideas, he wouldn’t be able to tell you. He’s not on the level of ideas. This is how it has always been, and we shouldn’t be put off by it. Frankly, I think it might be closer to “3, 4, or 5%”!

  • owatica

    What can I say? I love Ron Paul but disagree about his view of the Fed. Yes it will certainly be chaotic but I believe the People’s ignorance of the banking system is the absolute CORE issue and that corrupt system must be completely understood and utterly destroyed. “Drowning in debt”… to whom? “Money” created out of air; “trillions” in “debt” owed to air…? THIS is what must be fully understood to end the total scam of the banking system, unsound money, political and corporate corruption, wars of aggression, the enslavement created by taxes on personal income and property; I believe these things must be understood; these things must become common knowledge …we must understand all of it in order to end it.

    • WPalmer

      The resistance will come when social benefits and welfare entitlements come to an end. This is the foundation of Keynesian economics…. Big government giving away “free” money.

  • thelinntractor

    The question comes down to does the love of money outweigh the love of freedom? Just as we have seen so many love the promise of security more than their liberty. People repeatedly sell themselves and others into servitude, everything they have, will ever earn or be worth, has already been claimed by the Fed as collateral and leveraged with the central banking system. Can you wake them up?

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  • Something about that Ron Paul. I still have his bumper stickers on my car from the 2012 campaign. I don’t know if you could say there were a lot of people who woke up after watching the blatant attempts by MSM and the Republican establishment to silence Paul and his supporters but a few did to be sure. And yes, there are some of us 50 plus people who get it and we can be influential. How old is Ron Paul? So, don’t think that younger people don’t listen to the older generation because if we speak the truth, as I believe Ron Paul does, it resonates regardless of the age.

    “You can fool some of the people all the time, and all the people some of the time but you can’t fool all the people all the time.” – Abe Lincoln I believe.

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