4 Complaints About Gun Owners Debunked
By The Daily Bell Staff - February 16, 2018

When tragedy strikes it is understandable that people get emotional. But they often forget that the media knows how to pull the heartstrings for nefarious reasons. If a media campaign looks coordinated, it probably is. We should never let the emotions they trigger override our logic, and threaten our safety.

And we shouldn’t let whole groups be punished for the crimes of individuals. Nothing that one person does can justify assaulting or stealing from an entirely different individual. That type of thinking is what leads to violence and prejudice against whole races, religions, and nationalities.

Here are four common knee-jerk reactions gun owners get, and the data to respond.

1. “Nobody Needs a Gun.”

Actually at least as many guns are used in self-defense as in crime.

Guns are used for self-defense often and effectively. “Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year … in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008,” says the report…

Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns… found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.

The best part is that would-be victims usually don’t even have to fire their gun for it to be effective in thwarting a crime. This also means self-defense incidents sometimes go unreported.

So these people are really saying no one needs to protect themselves. This is silly. Crime occurs every day. Owning a gun for self-defense makes you no more likely to suddenly go on a killing spree. But it makes you much more likely to prevent yourself from becoming the victim of a crime.

Otherwise, natural disadvantages prevent some people from being able to defend themselves as effectively. For instance, a 5-foot tall male with no muscle mass weighing 120 pounds cannot effectively defend himself against a 6-foot muscled attacker weighing 230 pounds. Saying the small man doesn’t need a gun is assigning him the role of victim. That is a cave man mindset.

There are a lot of things people don’t “need.” But in a free society, others don’t get to decide what an individual needs.

China once decided people didn’t need more than one child. The Soviet Union used to decide how much food people needed. Both of those countries also murdered tens of millions of their citizens.

2. “We Should just take people’s guns away.”

Who would take those guns away? As with most laws, the police would enforce them. How do the police enforce laws? With their guns.

So they aren’t really saying no one should have guns. You still need police to have guns, otherwise, how do you take away the citizens’ guns?

In 2015, 737,000 police officers killed just over 1,000 people. That is about one civilian death for every 737 police officers.

Somewhere between 70 and 99 million Americans own guns. 13,000 people died in 2015 from gun homicides. That means there was one gun homicide for every 5,385 to 7,600 gun owners.

Police are seven to ten times as likely to kill someone compared to a gun owner. And yet they would be tasked with taking guns away.

If people truly cared about reducing violence, they would never advocate taking guns away. The process would be a bloodbath for innocent Americans and police. And the data suggests the aftermath would be no less violent.

3. “Everyone who owns a gun/ that many guns is crazy!”

7.7 million Americans own a gun collection consisting of between 8 and 140 firearms.

There is some debate about what constitutes a “mass shooting.” But if we are talking about the big headline shootings with the gun-obsessed social loner perpetrator, we are talking about a handful a year, if that.

But even if 50 of these “gun nuts” went crazy every year and went on a shooting spree, that accounts for .00065% of all “super owners” who own an average of 17 guns.

You would have to come across 154,000 gun nuts before you met one who was even remotely likely to carry out a mass shooting. You probably won’t even meet half that many people–let alone gun ownersin your lifetime.

But many “mass shootings”–including gang wars–are carried out by people who are not licensed to buy a firearm. This means the current restrictive laws were not sufficient to keep guns out of their hands.

But as for people who follow the law and get their gun license, they are more law-abiding than the general population, and even the police.

So how law-abiding are police? With about 685,464 full-time police officers in the U.S. from 2005 to 2007, we find that there were about 103 crimes per hundred thousand officers. For the U.S. population as a whole, the crime rate was 37 times higher — 3,813 per hundred thousand people.

…we find that permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors and felonies at less than a sixth the rate for police officers.

Among police, firearms violations occur at a rate of 16.5 per 100,000 officers. Among permit holders in Florida and Texas, the rate is only 2.4 per 100,000. That is just 1/7th of the rate for police officers. But there’s no need to focus on Texas and Florida — the data are similar in other states.

So the general population is 37 times more likely to commit a crime compared to a cop, and a cop is 7 times more likely to commit a crime compared to someone with a firearm permit.

People should be thrilled to learn their friends, neighbors, and coworkers are gun permit holders. It means they are in the presence of some of the least likely people in society to commit a crime.

And as more of these “crazies” run out and get their gun licenses, somehow the murder and violent crime rates are dropping.

Between 2007 and 2015, murder rates fell from 5.6 to 4.7 (preliminary estimate) per 100,000. This represents a 16% drop. Overall violent crime fell by 18 percent. Meanwhile, the percentage of adults with permits has soared by 190%.

4. “America has a gun violence problem.”

America is a big place with over 320 million inhabitants. The spread of gun violence is far from even.

More than 25% of America’s gun homicides in 2015 happened across census blocks that contain just 1.5% of the country’s total population.

 Photograph: Guardian US Interactive Team

While gun control advocates often say it is unacceptable that Americans overall are “25 times more likely to be murdered with a gun than people in other developed countries”, people who live in these neighborhood areas face an average gun homicide rate about 400 times higher than the rate across those high-income countries.

More than half of America’s gun homicides were clustered in just 127 cities and towns, which together have less than a quarter of the nation’s population.

Small social networks also account for the majority of gun crime.

In Oakland, California, analysts found that networks of just 1,000 to 1,200 high-risk people, about 0.3% of Oakland’s population, were involved in about 60% of the city’s murders.

In New Orleans, just 600 to 700 people, less than 1% of the city’s population, were involved in more than 50% of fatal incidents.

In Chicago, analysts working with police department data found that, over a six-year period, 70% of non-fatal shootings and 46% of gun homicides happened within a sprawling social network that included just 6% of Chicago’s total population.

The point is not that gun murder doesn’t matter because they are confined to a few places and people. The point is that this is not an “America” problem as much as it is an “American city” problem.

And yet rural and suburban Americans and are often the target of new gun laws.

Why don’t these cities clean up their acts? They are giving America a bad name.

And if they are smart, they won’t follow the lead of Chicago and DC, which despite having the strictest gun laws in the country, also have some of the highest rates of gun violence.

Where does this culture of violence come from?

The United States government. It is an extremely violent government. The police are more violent than other developed countries. And the military is involved in constant war. Killing is justified if it is for a good reason.

Many mass shooters are obsessed with the military or express interest in law enforcement. Many shootings happen in especially coercive environments like schools and on military bases. Most shooters have some kind of mental illness and are on prescription drugs. These mental conditions can be attributed to social isolation caused by coercive authorities such as parents, employers, and especially government officials/ policies.

It is the violent coercive political structure which underwrites the fabric of our society that is to blame for mass shootings. Until we base our society on consent, there will be so significant relief.

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  • RedFishBlueFish

    This completely misses the point that a lot of legitimate arguments make. The problem isnt guns, the problem isn’t gun owners at large, the problem isn’t even how many guns there are, the problem is specific people getting access to guns when they shouldn’t. Under certain conditions, people should have their rights taken away. We should be discussing what those conditions should be.

    • wildeyedliberal

      Or perhaps not. You piss through any argument with your absolute opinion. Meet mine: No. When one group determines the rights of another, their rights are like ice melting on a summer day.

  • Varangian Guard

    They have yet to outlaw cars when people drive drunk and injure or kill a human. The roast the human in court, they fine them harshly, they have to endure invasive blood, breath, and urine screening for a probationary period of time, and their insurance can go through the roof, or even be revoked. The individual pays upwards of $10K or more to get through that event. The courts and insurance companies wouldn’t have it any other way. It is a rainmaker with monthly payments, or the fines and punishment increases. As well it should, no doubt.

    Since that logic won’t play out with the firearms and liberal way of doing things, it can only mean that they want the weapons for other reasons. Duh you say?

    Affordable Care Act required that subscribers provide their financial access information to be able to handle co-pays and other such rot.

    The progressives make guns illegal, there is no coming and getting them. If you are a registered (yes, legal) gun owner, you will turn in your weapons when they take away you access to money, comply and they will see that you buy groceries. No knocking down doors, no arrests, simple compliance because you can’t feed your family if your direct deposit paycheck is no longer accessible.

    I am certain that this will wake up recidivists who skate the firearms laws and use the weapons for their own paycheck gathering. No direct deposit there but I’m sure the plight of the legal will compel them to comply……

  • 45clive

    As someone who has shot IPSC and IDPA I have found the police and particularly police wannabees have the worst attitudes, including referring to even “don’t shoot” targets and “civilians” (non-gun owners) as “perps”. There really is a tribal culture of “us versus them” among police and their wannabees. That in itself is reason enough to train well, even if you don’t choose to own a gun. These idiots are “mobile supply depots” where if times are desperate enough one can always get a gun and ammo. Read up on the Warsaw Ghetto, when Jews, forbidden to have guns, still managed to acquire them, perhaps because police, military and Nazi Party Members had them. It’s all or nothing, Sport. Of course Target Focus Training should be taught in the schools. In addition to extremely useful life skills, it offers a true confidence building moral attitude. The real weapon isn’t what’s in your hand, it’s what’s in your head.

  • 5. The Second Amendment protects us.

    No, guns protect us despite the Second Amendment.

    Which is more potent: 1) an optional right, or 2) a non-optional responsibility.

    Which is more likely to be legislated, licensed, and limited?

    Which did the pre-Second Amendment Americans look to as their authority for bearing arms?

    America was sold down the river when the 18th-century Enlightenment and Masonic founding fathers replaced Biblical responsibilities with Enlightenment rights, and nothing demonstrated it better than the Second Amendment.

    Think about it: The Amendment WITH the wording “shall not be infringed” is the MOST infringed, licensed, and limited Amendment of the entire twenty seven. Furthermore, a future generation of our posterity is likely to see the Second Amendment whittled away entirely or repealed altogether. This is inherent nature and danger of optional Enlightenment rights versus non-optional Biblical responsibilities, such as the following:

    “Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword [or today’s equivalent] in their hand … this honour have all his saints. Praise ye Yah.” (Psalm 149:6-9)

    “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house [including spiritual and physical protection], he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.” (1 Timothy 5:8)

    For more, listen to “The Second Amendment: A Knife in a Gunfight,” delivered at the Springfield, Missouri Firearms and Freedom Symposium, at

    At this same location, you will also find a radio interview Larry Pratt (Executive Director of Gun Owners of America) conducted with me on this same subject. I think you’ll find Mr. Pratt’s remarks especially interesting.

    If you prefer to read, see our blog article “The Second Amendment is Doomed.”

  • Alan777

    All this talk about self defense against criminals alone is reason enough to justify the absolute right to own a gun or guns. However, the intent and necessity of the 2nd amendment is to protect our liberty (limited as it is) from being completely stolen by our overbearing government.

  • Laura Amanda Allen

    Seems to me that confirmed terrorists, regardless of their stripe, or mentally disturbed people in countries, such as Great Britain, that have made gun ownership difficult and onerous, still manage to kill people without one. They drive trucks down sidewalks. They drive cars into crowds. If a Nicholas Cruz wants to kill 17 people, he will find a way.

  • Number 6

    One statistic no one can deny is that government including so called democratic western governments, the very people who want to criminalise private gun ownership, have collectively killed hundreds of millions of people, I bet the number of people killed by private citizens with guns over the same time period, isn’t even in the millions. If these people screaming for gun control in the wake of another government social conditioning hoax event, want to save lives take the guns away from government, and criminals (same thing) not Law abiding citizens

  • ED.F

    No one mentions the fact that the entertainment industry (which is now in a tizzy over its own hidden criminalities)has DELUGED the younger generation with every kind of shoot em up,war ,gangster,mafia,alien,movies imaginable.
    Then they created videos games of the same,which were even more realistic than anything ever, prior.
    Gee where could these kids get these ideas.
    So entertainments set the stage and then they play the consequences.
    Yes parents should have been more aware,It would disturb me to see 7year olds playing these games.killing.
    Not to say this is thee reason,but it certainly may have had some consequences.
    When someone gets killed by a car is it the cars fault.NO!
    Guns don’t kill people ,PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE !!
    Get that straight anti gun people.
    Education and training is a major step in solving this problem.perhaps the U.S. should take some ideas from the SWISS who issue rifles to the public.any school shootings there?
    I would not dare not owning a firearm the way our govt.has this country on a knifes edge.
    Common sense solves lots of problems.use some

  • JRX

    DB: “Where does this culture of violence come from? The United States government. It is an extremely violent government. The police are more violent than other developed countries. And the military is involved in constant war. Killing is justified if it is for a good reason.“

    Excellent. This is perhaps easier to see from the outside. I think many non-Americans see this clearly. Even Americans living overseas are more likely to see this.

    • Samarami

      During lunch in the break room I was subject to the ooo-ing and aw-ing of coworkers watching the endless “coverage” (fear-mongering) on mainstream TV of the Florida school calamity. Uniquely, I had just completed (for the third time in a year) one of the “required” video exams covering “Active Shooter” situations that “might” occur in our workplace.
      I made the comment, “odds are greater that I’ll be shot ‘in error’ and killed by a dangerously armed ‘law enforcer’ than by a civilian terrorist…but the video didn’t show me how to defend myself against them…” Well, folks, the hoi polloi just ain’t ready to think that one through. You should have heard the castigation and censure directed at me.
      Best to keep my peace. Sam

      • Randy

        No, you need to speak up even MORE, Sam! Keeping quiet is what allows the evil to fester and grow. All that is required for evil to win is for good men to say nothing, or words to that effect.


        • Samarami

          Agreed. Sam

  • Bruce C.

    I’m surprised that no one has mentioned that almost every place that has a “shooting” has been a “gun free zone.”

    Allowing – if not REQUIRING – guns to be at public areas might by itself be enough to stop all sorts of violence and killings.

  • Heretic Jones

    I secretly wish the state would make gun ownership unlawful. This would be the proverbial straw that would incite the revolution. We’re going down that path anyway, let’s just get it over with, fight the fight, nullify the state, and restore freedom. They can have Chicago as a consolation prize.

  • SnakePlissken

    Almost every recent mass shooter has been on, or recently came off of, powerful psychotropic drugs prescribed for depression, anxiety, etc. Ban doctors! Do it for the chiiiiildren!

  • Randy

    Here are a few points that no one is mentioning, so far. How does a 19 year old with no real job afford to buy ANY kind of a gun, even a BB gun?? If he did have a job, what was it and how much did he earn? How much ammo did he have for his guns? Where did he buy his gun(s)? Or was all of that just more libtard lies being told to us via the talking heads of the fake news industry?
    He is said by the lame stream media, at various times, to have owned several guns, well did he inherit all of them? Did he steal them? Where did he get the money and training to assemble smoke grenades? Did he steal those too? How is it that a girl was saying she heard more shots going off while she was talking to Nicholas Cruz in the hallway? Was she lying there?
    There are more holes here than in a dozen blocks of Swiss cheese, and no one can see any of them??


  • Randy

    As an additional note, please consider that the 100% corrupted legal system is the final arbiter over us. The road pirates, by observable events, seem to be trained these days to shoot first and ask questions later. The road pirates are just one of several feeder mechanisms for the legal system. So if we get rid of the totally corrupted legal system and its operators, there will be no need for the road pirates any longer and we will police ourselves. It worked for the Founding Fathers, why not today??
    After 23 years of near daily study of many dozens of court cases and hundreds of reports and articles, I finally saw that there was some kind of fraud going on in every endeavor I looked at. The churches, the schools, the political systems, governments, banks and everything else relies upon fraud of some sort to exist. There is not a one of them that can claim to have clean hands, all are covered in blood.
    There are a hundred men hacking at the branches of evil to one striking at the roots. Let’s reverse that and chop the roots of evil (the legal system) instead!! If my facts or logic is faulty, just show me where, when and how so I can stand corrected as I prefer to be right than wrong.