STAFF NEWS & ANALYSIS
Infuriating: Police Arrest on Duty Nurse For Refusing to Break Law
By The Daily Bell Staff - September 01, 2017

“Is this patient under arrest?” Alex Wubbles asks the officer, being instructed by legal counsel on the phone.

“Nope,” the officer says.

“Do you have an electronic warrant?” She asks, searching for a way to legally comply with the officers.

“No,” The officer admits bluntly, getting annoyed.

The police did not have a warrant. The police did not have probable cause. The man was not under arrest. The unconscious patient could not consent.

The nurse, Alex, printed out the hospital’s policy which the Salt Lake City Police Department agreed to. She showed it to the officers. She clearly and calmly listed the three things which would allow her to give the police the blood sample: a warrant, patient consent, or a patient under arrest.

The police had none of these things.

“Okay, so I take it, without those in place, I am not going to get blood?” The Officer Jeff Payne is heard saying behind his body cam.

The legal counsel on the phone tries to tell the officer not to blame the messenger, and that he is making a big mistake.

Then, the officer attacks the nurse, Alex Wubbles. He drags her outside, and handcuffs her, while she cries.

“What is going on?!” She says exasperated, wondering why they are doing this to her.

She couldn’t just break the hospital policy and put her job in jeopardy because some police officers illegally told her to. She couldn’t simply collude with the lawbreakers–the police–and illegally hand over a blood sample on behalf of an unconscious patient.

That would have opened her up to lawsuits and job loss.

The officers were, in fact, breaking the law. They had no legal right to demand blood from an unconscious patient who could not consent.

The man they wanted blood from was a truck driver who had struck a vehicle being pursued by the police. It is unclear why they would even need a blood sample from the victim.

But none of these legal facts stopped the police from placing the nurse under arrest.

Wubbles was handcuffed and placed in a police vehicle. She was never actually charged.

You could chalk this up to one crazy officer, Detective Jeff Payne with the Salt Lake City Police.

But then his supervisor showed up to the scene. While the nurse was handcuffed in the cruiser, the supervisor started to lecture her.

“There are civil remedies,” he said, telling her she should have broken the law when the officer told her to. Of course, this ignored the fact that she would have been caught up in the civil action against the officers!

It’s like an episode of the Twilight Zone as the Supervisor lies and says the nurse was obstructing justice. All the nurse wanted was a warrant signed by a judge, the legal requirement to execute a search! And yet not just Officer Payne, but his Supervisor insist that she should have given them what they wanted, without a warrant.

Listening to the Supervisor’s justification is a real trip. He repeatedly says, things like, “If you already have a sample, we can just go get a warrant, but all I’m hearing is no, no, no.”

What? Yes, go get a warrant! That is what you have been repeatedly told by the nurse and hospital staff!

You can tell from the video she is not some anti-cop crusader. She was legitimately trying to do her job and follow the law to the best of her ability. Before she is arrested, you can tell she is worried and uncomfortable, trying her best to keep the situation calm and professional.

And then the police handcuffed and dragged a crying nurse out of the building to intimidate and harass her further.

She is a strong woman. She stood up to their bullying and lies and did not give in. Despite the best efforts of the police, she would not help them violate the Fourth Amendment rights of her patient.

Police should not be able to just handcuff people and drag them to a car as an intimidation method. Payne should be fired and charged with assault.

The supervisor should also be fired, for continuing to harass that poor woman after learning quite clearly that his officer was attempting to break the law. These people are a threat to the public.

But all too often Police Chief’s and other officers line up behind their disreputable colleagues.

And that is why people have such a problem with the police. Fire the bad officers, and maybe the good ones can take the public spotlight.

But if the police treat nurses like this, surrounded by hospital staff, how can we expect them to treat the rest of us?

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  • American Gentleman

    The officer needs to lose his job and be charged with a crime like any other person would who infringes on someone’s person or property.

  • alohajim

    Governments everywhere desperately need psychopaths with no empathy or conscience to put hurt on their fellow humans to serve their (hidden) banker overlords. The rest of us couldn’t do it. Salt Lake City’s finest?

    Anybody else notice that the US imprisons more of its population by far than any other country in the world? And the vast majority of ‘prisoners’ are incarcerated for victimless crimes? And ‘our governments’ actually do conduct body cavity searches for ‘drugs’ during routine traffic stops? All while the ‘medical system’ prescribes more opiates, by far, than any other country in the world and our military is guarding poppy fields in Afghanistan.

    We Americans are number #1 in stupidity, mass delusion, and brainwashing for putting up with this nightmare. The source of this madness? Look into how ‘money’ is ‘created’ worldwide and who ‘creates’ it. . . .

    When will the TV watchers wake up?

    • jeanyus

      TV crowd won’t wake up…..they be watchin……tv. If, by some way, the tv could be dominated, such as done in V for Vendetta, for a couple hours while the movie The Big Short aired, maybe half of them that watched it might be able to read and understand the text at the end, might begin to realize the truth. Lots of ifs and maybes there.

      • esqualido

        A big problem is the routine depiction of police violating people’s civil rights in virtually every single “Law and Order” type TV show and movie. When Dragnet first aired, the Los Angeles Police Dept. took special pride in the use of advances in forensic science in capturing and convicting criminals, and they tended to be especially scrupulous in how suspects were treated. What has happened since is a very crude , but systematic descent, catering to the public need for depravity, violence, and frankly, sadism. It is a poor reflection on both the intelligence and morality of our society

  • Lookin down from on high

    I have followed this all day. As a 29 year government professional, your take and explantion of the legalities is the best I have read all day. you hit every nail on the head. I agree 100%. if they were my employees they would be sitting at home worrying about their jobs.

    • Joe Jarvis

      Thank you! Glad to hear it passes muster.

    • Thank you! Glad to know it passes muster.

  • Michael George

    Good story but you’ll have more credibility if you spell check.
    Police Cheif’s ???

    • Ahh technology has failed us! Thanks for the heads up.

      • joe_bob_gonzales

        dem grammer naazziis is everywhere, totally missing the point of the exercise, but making sure you spel it korectly. (sic)

        • jeanyus

          Dat shud b “Ko’reklee”…jiz 2 b ko’rek

          • Earn nest

            My spellcheck often says I’m wrong when I’m right. It drove me crazy several times before I realized it could be wrong.

          • Earn nest

            Of course, who really decides what’s wrong or right anyway.

          • Col. Edward H. R. Green

            No one “decides”. Reality is not subjective and relative.

            Facts–reality–establish what is correct or incorrect.

            Spelling of words may appear to be arbitrary, but it’s really not, as a study of etymology and linguistics would demonstrate.

          • Earn nest

            Nah, it’s just by agreement. Especially English.

          • joe_bob_gonzales

            I say, sorry about that old chap. my ebonics class was cancelled.

      • davidnrobyn

        I can’t believe professional journalists need spell check. No, wait, yes I can. One hour online will turn up dozens of spelling and grammatical errors by “professionals”. One of the most common: Use of the apostrophe for the plural. The above error is a twofer!

  • Jon_Roland

    There needs to be an internal affairs department that everyone involved is informed how to contact, which has not only supervisory authority, but which can arrest the unconstitutional officers on the spot, and haul them off to jail.

    • Ephraiyim

      Internal affairs will not work most of the time. Cops policing cops.
      Citizen committees need to be set up with authority behind their decisions. No authority can overule them.
      Not just the regular folks like the upstanding ones but community activists and even a couple of former felons so there is a fair representation of the community.
      Not the mayor’s buddies. Maybe a rep from each neighborhood area but drawn by lot from those wanting to serve not elected.
      Let a cop be on there as well to give some feedback but with no vote on decisions.
      That’s just off the top of my head.

  • Spanky Lee

    At this point in America, the police CAN act like Kings. They can bully their way into hospitals and into private patient rooms and arrest patients, doctors, nurses, whomever they want for failing to ‘comply’ with arbitrary or illegal orders. Fortunately, most of them are human beings who don’t act like monsters, but the monsters exist.

    One partial solution is remove sovereign immunity in civil cases. Let people like this nurse come after the officer personally.

    • joe_bob_gonzales

      yes, the cops are a protected class and so forth. any idiot who says “I support the blue 100%” has never been arrested or hassled by the idiots in blue. one does get tired of the bad cop minority 95% giving the other 5% a bad reputation.

    • Earn nest

      I’d say most of them are monsters.

      • Col. Edward H. R. Green

        They are all sociopaths or psychopaths who want to get away with bullying and murdering peaceful, innocent people, and clever enough to have chosen an occupation that enables them to get away with their thuggish behavior.

        If any one of them truly wanted to protect people’s persons and private property, they would work only in the private sector as security professionals who are directly answerable to their employers and customers.

    • davidnrobyn

      Not just civil cases. Criminal cases too. If a civil case is won against them, the money just comes out of all our hides. But they can’t lock us all up if we win a criminal case against a cop! The cop is the lockee, not us. BTW, penalties should be DOUBLE for public servants committing a crime as part of their duties, for abusing their authority and betraying the public trust.

      • mickeyman

        Civil penalties should hit them where it hurts–take it from their pension funds.

        • Col. Edward H. R. Green

          Since 100% of their compensation package, including their pension, is funded by coercive taxation–legalized theft, but theft nonetheless–rewarding their pension funds to their victims makes the victims the recipients of stolen property, just as they would be by receiving monetary damages directly from the government.

          Let their victims sue them for everything that they own, including the clothes on their backs, and the proverbial pot that they would piss in after being stripped down to penury.

  • windsor1

    The police are charged to enforce the law and if it suits them obey the law.

  • Leonard

    I believe there is a very important concept in play. When police are first accepted into the profession, they know clearly that their immense power comes from the government alone. However, after being on duty for several years and seeing how people immediately obey them at virtually every encounter, I believe many of them come to consider that we, the public, obey them, the individual policeman, because it is that individual policeman who is the source of that power. The nurse probably encountered two of those ‘experienced’ policemen who could not even comprehend that someone might not obey them instantly. This is one of those situations which general society must overcome if we hope to ever lead lives free from the imposition of arbitrary authority.

    • Earn nest

      It is the gun at their side that is the real source of power. It is that of the government as well.

  • NoMeansNo

    Police Depts. seek out the low IQ recruits. Those who will follow orders, whether those orders are legal or illegal. No questions asked. Those who score high on the IQ test are weeded out, b/c they might have the audacity to question the validity of an order. Can’t have that in police state Amerika now, can we?

    • Thomas MacDougle

      These officers should be suspended, investigated and possibly terminated.
      Your highly intelligent observation paints with an awfully broad brush.
      As father of an extremely intelligent police officer and brother of another. I take real offense to that!
      My guess is you would’ve been hired in a heartbeat according to your standards.

      • NoMeansNo

        I have read more than one report about this. These aren’t ‘my’ standards. I have nothing to do with hiring police officers. The guys that have been on the force, for years, are holdovers from another era, before they started this. And do you really need to be insulting to get your point across, Thomas?

        • Thomas MacDougle

          I DO apologize for the insult, but may I suggest that you site reports as opposed to putting out blanket statements that appear strictly as opinion.

          • Ephraiyim

            Sorry T McD but this is endemic. I grew up in the 70s and worked in a large ER in the late 70s into the 80s.
            Even partied with some and most of them had an attitude that if you weren’t a cop you had a good chance of being a criminal. All the while leaving the party, many of them drunk, in order to drive home.
            Now things have changed, but cops still can break a law and get a pass when anyone else would not.
            They were referred to by some back then as pigs. The many accounts I have read about their actions, including looking the other way when a patner violates someone’s rights in the past few yrs leads me to conclude that the title may be appropriate.
            A “good” cop who looks the other way is no better than the one who acts like a criminal.
            Conclusion: there are NO good cops. They all stay on the other side of that thin blue line.

          • Thomas MacDougle

            There are no good cops,
            there are no good lawyers,
            there are no good CEOs,
            there are no good doctors,
            there are no good dentists,
            there are no good ER nurses,
            etc. etc. etc.
            You are however correct.
            NO ONE IS GOOD!
            We are ALL sinners!

          • NoMeansNo

            Good point about those lawyers. Lawyers sure seem to be the cause of a lot of strife in our society.

          • Col. Edward H. R. Green

            Lawyers are officers of government courts, a relationship that produces a lot of that strife.

          • Thomas MacDougle

            Ephraiyim – Son of Joseph
            Awesome

          • Does “better than average” count?

          • No, only the police, with their magic costumes and shiny badges. A bunch of abusive fathers, wife beaters, and drunks who hide behind the “thin blue line”.

          • NoMeansNo

            Apology accepted. Of course, it is not true of all police. But there seems to be a tendancy toward recruting maleable people. It’s not right and the higher ups should not be doing it. That’s all I was trying to say. We need the best people in those jobs.

          • The word you are looking for is “cite”.

          • Thomas MacDougle

            Tru dat 😉

          • NoMeansNo

            Typo. My bad!

          • Most PDs these days do hire retards for officers. Sorry it is true.

      • OK boot-licker dad.I bet you get out of all your traffic tickets, eh?

  • Wm W. Fawell

    I recommend suing the bejiebers out of the city because that’s the most effective way to reach a Mayor who is ultimately responsible for the conduct of his police force. This police force didn’t get like this overnight because this sort of conduct develops over time, and in this, the city and its mayor are complicit.

    • hangloop

      Yes, but…. the money will be coming from the taxpayers. Not from the two who crapped on constitutional rights. They need to feel it in their pocketbooks.

      • Col. Edward H. R. Green

        I agree.

        If they do not have liability insurance, they should lose everything they own to this woman, their savings, their houses, their big-boy’s toys (monster truck, etc.). No one should be forced via coercive taxation to fund whatever amount a lawsuit would award her.

        If these costumed, badged, and armed thugs do have insurance, the insurance company pays her, then pursues them for full reimbursement.

  • b_c

    This police officer and his supervisor should have been SUSPENDED IMMEDIATELY pending the investigation, at least reprimanded for incompetence and arrested for aggravated assault. ENOUGH WITH POLICE BRUTALITY!!!

  • georgesilver

    Is this story true? Who is calmly doing all of the filming? OK let’s assume it is.
    When confronted by stupid authority just act stupid.

    • Lori Ellis

      Are you an idiot? Do your research! All over news; video was directly from police body cam; police officer suspended WITHOUT pay; Criminal charges have been filed against said officer; Taking a body fluid sample of any kind from an unconscious patient who cannot consent can only be done when the patient is under arrest or with a court issued warrant —all 50 states! They had neither!

      The nurse is a professional; has a duty to put patient rights and her duty to follow all applicable laws before all else and has a clinical license she has worked her entire life for at risk; “acting stupid” is not an option

      You are truly a complete fool; how can you embarrass yourself like this?

      Janice S. RN BSN MSN
      Boston MA SICU Nurse

      • georgesilver

        “how can you embarrass yourself like this?”
        Easily….. I do it all the time.

        One of these stories (plus footage) seems to come out of the United States of Atrociousness every day. We are then supposed react with horror and indignation. The impression given is that the USA has degenerated into a cesspit. All the people in the USA have let this state of affairs happen by continually electing corrupt governments and officials in all areas of administration. So forgive me if I’m no longer surprised.

        So Janice S. RN BSB MSN Boston MA SICU Nurse (and whistle) Calling everyone an idiot and fool who doesn’t mirror your shock horror obviously lets you ‘let off steam’

        So be my guest…. I can take it.

        ps. Can I point you to an excellent article by Hugo Salinas Price as to what is going to happen next to the USA
        http://www.plata.com.mx/mplata/articulos/articlesFilt.asp?fiidarticulo=318
        .

  • Renov8

    Thugs…no difference between those on the streets and these “officers”.
    Fire the MFers.

  • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

    how can we have respect for the cops if they do this stuff? follow the rule of law

    • Don Duncan

      The very concept of “rule of law” was created to give the illusion that we are all protected by “one set of laws” and “we are all equal under the law”. This is necessary to get “the sanction of the victim”, i.e., obedience to rule, despite it being unfair or unjust.
      I have never followed or respected “the law” just because it was the law. I followed it out of fear of prosecution if that was likely. Otherwise, I follow my own moral code, which everyone should do. That’s what a responsible, mature adult does to retain self esteem. Anything less is the act of a pathetic zombie, a shell of a person.

      • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

        we all follow our own moral code-it’s where it differs with the law we get in trouble-for example, i believe my second amendments rights come directly from God,not the government-this has gotten me in trouble! however without the “rule of law” we are looking at total anarchy which is the goal of the opposition-until they can insert their OWN power structure,which can pretty well imagine looks a lot like Stalin’s USSR or Hitler’s Germany-or maybe even more likely,Maoist China

        • Don Duncan

          What “opposition”? It’s your responsibility to know the difference between right/wrong, no one else’s.

          All govt. disagrees. All governments want obedience, against your conscience or common sense. It’s called “RULE”. That’s what it does. You can submit or resist.

          • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

            what opposition? take your pick-here is a list BLM,Antifa,George Soros,Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton one worlders in general;those who seek to take peoples’ guns from them,those who want to open our borders to anyone and everyone,those who think it is great to tear down statues of better men than they…i can go on but you aren’t stupid you just want to argue i don’t. Let me sum up-there is law,and there is justice,they aren’t always the same thing-do as you will but be aware there is a price

          • Obviously not working as it should here in USA today now is it ? so is it an illusion ? This helps explain what has taken place and why many people are afraid to face any of it !

            are you willing to leave the cave created for you ?

            https://youtu.be/Bw9zSMsKcwk

          • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

            i think you would be happier in the Himalayas

  • WA1

    So, the Constitutional Republic, has now evolved into a Police State, and the rule of law… that’s only for “plebs”… The Banksters, the chiefs of the Banks, the senior Politicians (HRC?) and apparently cops, DON’T have to comply with the law…Even the FBI apparently is above the law, in failing to release HRC’s e-mails, because the head (A Clinton supporter) might have been embarrassed by the sheer incompetence of his dept, in opening, closing and re-opening a case just days before the presidential election, in which one of the main candidates had apparently seriously breached security protocols so that her official/personal e-mails could be routed through the same server… (presumably so she didn’t have to try to remember two passwords?)

  • Tec Sg Beatty

    And they wonder why contempt for the “law” is growing by orders of magnitude.

  • Praetor

    They called the cops pigs back in the day. This cop is why they were called pigs. This guy is not a cop he is a POS. Fired/ 90 days in jail and no pension. Take these pigs pensions and you will see less piggish behavior. Fear will grip their worthless a$$es.!!!

  • Guy Fawkes

    time to go V for Vendetta on them……..

    • Praetor

      The crazy looking POS had better hope when he gets sick enough to be in a hospital, it better not be that hospital.!!!

  • Erik Garcés

    This is so infuriating yet the problem isn’t the cop, its the law that gives any human being that authority and at the same time denies you the legal ability to resist.

    Absolute power corrupts absolutely applies to all human beings, not just political figures.

    The founding fathers fought the American Revolution to resist just this type of abuse. Yet today most people think the police are the good guys.

    • There is NO law that gives the authority you are claiming exist, it does NOT . That is the problem, these LEOs simply made it up and played bully with intimidation and coercion to try and force her to comply with their bogus and illegal demands.

      She will get a very big settlement from this and I hope SLC police Dept learns from it after the firings of numerous people and DOJ investigation.

      • hangloop

        It might as well be a law if grand juries won’t bill them and judges and juries allow them off. The problem exists because of fear, and the people in the media and in government want you to stay in a state of fear. It solidifies political positions and financial incomes. Let me also say, randomly targeting police like blm, does only makes the problem worse.

        In my opinion.

  • NoMoreFed

    Whenever I see film of police brutality or police wrongdoing of some kind, it seems that any other police officers around just watch or join in on the wrongdoing. It is very rare to see another police officer step in to confront a fellow police officer. It is like they are trained to have each others’ backs no matter what they are doing, even if it is illegal and highly immoral. A true hero would step in and do the right thing, so I guess most of them are not heroes after all.

    • Agreed. The guy wearing the body camera in the video above at one point late in the video seems to timidly step in and suggest to his supervisor that there is an easy way to get the info he is harassing the nurse for…

  • John

    Point 1:
    All police forces are private. They work for the PTB in whatever their jurisdiction. That’s why John Q gets pushed around all the time. Despite paying their salary, he simply isn’t who they work for, individually OR collectively.

    Point 2: If officers didn’t have the double duty of fighting crime, juxtaposed with their more common duty of milking the terrified locals for their bosses’ community chest fund, the commoners wouldn’t fear(and therefore hate) them on sight.

    Point 3: One has to be genetically disposed to pushing people around to even want to be a cop. Hate ’em, love ’em, that’s the unvarnished truth. When a cop bullies or pushes someone around, I don’t understand the surprise evinced by the witnesses.

    These guys were just exercising their Government-given right to make everyone submit to their sovereign rule.

    • hangloop

      I agree with most of your post, however there have been studies in universities that prove anyone can be turned into these type of thugs. See the Stanford experiment.

      • John

        Sure that’s true, but it’s a non-sequitur. Those students didn’t go into the study looking to be in charge. In fact, the “guards” and “prisoners” were chosen at random.

        Police officers self-select. The training only builds on their nascent character, it doesn’t have to instill it first..

  • hangloop

    No, I’m sorry. The initial police officer should be arrested and charged with assault, kidnapping and violating the nurses constitutional rights. His supervisor should be arrested and charged with being an accomplice to the same crimes. Then the upper echelons of the police department should be fired and replaced with someone who knows what a citizens constitutional rights are and can enumerate them off the top of their head.

    And that in my opinion is the least that should be done.

    dohi

  • georgesilver

    After the little outburst further down the page from Janice S. RN BSN MSN
    Boston MA SICU Nurse.

    I looked at this video again… well at least the crucial screaming bit. These videos seem to be coming out of the USA on a regular bases and being a cynic schooled by the Tavistock Institute I can’t help wondering if they are not being ‘organised’. There are any number of reasons when it comes to propaganda but let me put that to one side.

    According to Janice S. RN BSN MSN Boston MA SICU Nurse:-
    “Taking a body fluid sample of any kind from an unconscious patient who cannot consent can only be done when the patient is under arrest or with a court issued warrant”
    So if the police wanted to arrest her why didn’t she just hold her hands out and calmly say “OK arrest me and you will no longer be a police officer in 24 hours”

    My understanding is that nurses have to put up with all sorts of abuse from patients so they are usually toughened by the experience and don’t easily go into screaming fits.
    Suddenly we are getting these videos on a regular basis and at the same time we are being told that the media, FaceBook, YouTube and in fact the internet are controlled and items which go against the ‘official message’ are disappeared.

    • autonomous

      It’s very hard not to be cynical these days. Both the news and counternews appear hatched from the same nest.

      • Don Duncan

        We don’t see the thousands of videos NOT aired by MSM which show police breaking the law or being brutal or generally acting badly. Why?

        MSM is NOT neutral. They are part of the police brutality problem. This report is a rare exception, possibly to “show” how “impartial” they are. Or there could be another explanation, e.g., the news editor was sick and a rookie who didn’t know the rules let the video out. Or the editor had a personal connection to the story which favored unbiased coverage.

        • autonomous

          I agree. Fifty years ago most people chose to ignore or made excuses for bad behavior by those in authority. As a result bad actors were free to exacerbate their activities and it has become very nearly intolerable to even some who remain convinced that they need masters. I hope that it’s not too late to recover some semblance of general distrust of governance. For if it is too late, there will be less recourse to violent overthrow. Such a response will merely replace the dictatorial overlords with another set of the same. It remains questionable that a sufficient contingent of the populace will just quietly refuse to be lorded over. As many others have noted, leaders without followers have no power.

          • Don Duncan

            “…just quietly refuse to be lorded over.” Yes, no one can predict how extensive or significant the voluntarist movement will be. It doesn’t effect me because whatever happens, it won’t be soon enough for me. I only have about 1-5 years.
            My guess is voluntarism will start in small communities all over the world, spreading slowly over the decades until it reaches the tipping point (10% of the local jurisdiction, then 10% of the state, then…?).
            As for “too late”, as long as our species exists, it is never too late. Voluntarism is life-enhancing. No other social system is. So-called civilizations will come & go, rise & perish, until one is based on the non-aggression principle, a voluntary society. Then, and only then, will a lasting civilization be established and stable.

    • Baba Jacob

      My guess is that it is a genuine video. Yes, it is likely she is well prepared for patients to act unruly at times. But it is most likely that she has had frequent interactions with police while on the job and perhaps up until this time they have all been positive or at least non threatening interactions. She may just not have had any experience being on the receiving end of police abusing their power and was in a state of shock that the police would act so aggressive toward her for simply following the rules. It is not like she is an activist type person who has trained themselves on how to properly be arrested. I would guess that she has never even thought about that possibility and simply focused on being a public servant in her own capacity and on following the rules. Also I think the repeated screaming is possibly due to the fact that she does see the police as true authority and that she simply can’t believe she is “in trouble”. I mean she is on their team, right?

      • Don Duncan

        “…she in on their team, right?” Show me a video of police arresting a policeman. You can’t because “he is on their team”, i.e., one of them. He, like them, can break the law because police think they are the law.
        Isn’t that a common expression when they show up: “Here comes the law?”
        So, if the nurse is perceived to be over-reacting, perhaps she was shocked by the draconian, unlawful action of a policeman who she had assumed always obeyed/enforced the law.

        • Baba Jacob

          Exactly.

    • Don Duncan

      Could it be Janice put police in a separate category from citizens? Could she have taken for granted those whose job it is to uphold the law, do uphold the law? Could her emotional “outburst” be due to shock and disbelief?

    • davidnrobyn

      “OK arrest me and you will no longer be a police officer in 24 hours”

      Sorry to break it to you, but in that case, the cop would (will!) definitely have the last laugh. In fact, it’s happening even as we speak. The nurse is being lauded as a hero nationwide, but what’s going to happen to officer Payne? My guess is, nothing. The department will close ranks, stonewall, and wait for it all to blow over. Officer Payne will be privately commended for obeying the orders of his superiors. No one will ever be called to account. Wanna bet? And you know what they’ll say to her? “So, little lady, you’re being called a heroine. By lots and lots of people around the country. But this is Salt Lake City, and WE’RE the law here. And what we say, goes…get it?”

      • Bill Brown

        The Lawsuit will be MASSIVE — The Cop and his Stupidvisor are as good as GONE already…. Lawyers will have a field day with this …. when it’s over there will be no “Business as ususal” for either one of those guys. YOU are Mistaken … there’s BIG MONEY in this one … Therefore it’s not going to just “BLOW OVER” …… Big Dogs are gonna FEED !

        • SamAdamsGhost

          Obviously you’re dealing with extremely stupid and arrogant people. The only thing that will get through their thick noggins is being sued.

  • Jim Cobabe

    All this sensational hyperbole just escalates this incident, which I see as intentional. The actions that were fully justified from the outset are official legal review and administrative corrections, not mobs of people shouting profanities at cops and inciting yet another childish petulant demonstration of destructive civil violence.

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