Part II – Paul Supporters: Why Our Political Future Is In the GOP
(Please note: Link to Part I of this editorial is below.)
So What is the Future for Liberty in Our Closed Political Monopoly?
Let's take over the GOP from the inside rather than fight them in a rigged election process where third-party candidates are hidden by a news blackout enforced by both parties and the main street news media. For example, how many times have the national LP candidates been in a debate with the candidates of the GOP or Democrats? Contrast this with Paul's repeated debate inclusion during the 2012 primary season.
Americans historically do not vote for third-party presidential candidates in the general election. At the end of this election will we be remembered and feared as a 15% voting block that is taking over the GOP one county at a time from the good ol' boy establishment or do we fall for the third-party attraction and receive a meaningless one time few percent of the national vote in November?
Our one chance for ultimate victory is to take advantage of the GOP party rules used for years to rally conservative and free-market voters at election time. Of course, they then dismiss us after election day until the next siren call for voters to support a GOP with less government rhetoric but, in fact, almost a mirror image of the socialist Democrats. Like the unions and liberal voting blocks of the Democrats, we are considered little more than voting cannon fodder to be used at election time.
In my opinion, a rush to the Libertarian Party or another third party if Ron Paul doesn't win the GOP presidential nomination is a big mistake that could dramatically weaken the power and cripple the future viability of his liberty movement. I personally will not even consider voting for Romney unless he picks Ron or Rand Paul as his VP candidate, and if it is Rand, Ron is offered a top cabinet position as Secretary of the Treasury etc.
Note, I'm certainly not urging Paul supporters to support a Romney/Paul ticket; rather, I'm keeping my options open in order to provide the maximum leverage to Paul forces at the convention by categorically stating, "No Paul = No Vote For the Republican Ticket in November."
Second, no meaningless gestures like a prime convention-speaking slot or influence over the party platform will buy my support. I suggest you do the same until after the GOP convention, and then let your conscience be your guide.
Both Political Party Leaderships are Controlled by Special Interests
If the young Paul supporters continue to participate in the GOP, then the establishment will be powerless to stop our eventual takeover at the county, state and potentially the national level as the older propagandized, sheep-like voters die off. The Internet reformation has meant that the old "lesser of two evils" strategy used by both political parties to motivate voting blocks is, thankfully, dying.
Today, with alternative news sites and free-market alternatives open for discovery, anyone willing to search the Net will quickly realize the "lesser of two evils" meme is just propaganda. Both parties, regardless of propaganda and rhetoric at election time, have similar agendas and governance plans based on powerful special interests. Neither represents the people, only special interests.
How ironic that my generation, which had some faith and allegiance to the party leadership and yet believed in our constitutional and free-market principles, stood by and did nothing to halt the growth of government and loss of our liberties at the hands of the GOP elites when they knew better. In every election they blindly cheered the election-year rhetoric, voted as they were told and then were somehow surprised after each election that despite the same old campaign promises their candidates were little different from the Democrats. Government and foreign neocon-style military actions increased while our personal and financial freedoms were decimated as surely by the GOP as the Democrats.
Remember both Alan Greenspan, the architect of the boom and 2008 meltdown, and Ben Bernanke, whose policies prolonged and deepened the recession/depression, were appointed Chairman of the Federal Reserve by GOP presidents. Nixon gave us the Nixon Shock in 1971, unilaterally cancelling the direct convertibility of the US dollar to gold. George H.W. Bush pledged "no new taxes" in his 1988 campaign and then raised taxes and spending, and his son, George W., started two major wars that continue even today.
A Wing and a Prayer
Our goal should be to build a permanent, expanding Paulian or liberty wing of the Republican Party over the next four years. I don't believe we have a prayer of impacting policies or relevance in the political process if we go down the road of good intentions but unintended negative consequences of third-party political action.
We should remain active in the GOP and work to gain majority control over local precincts and county organizations and play by the rules, unlike many of the present party hacks and leaders. Second, we should run for office and support candidates, especially at the legislature level, that share our views. Third, run or support candidates running for Congress over the next four years who will advance our freedom-oriented objectives concerning the Federal Reserve, rolling back the police state, sound money and an intelligent foreign policy.
Romney has the Nomination but Will Lose in November Unless...
The controlled and manipulated GOP nomination process is over except for the coronation convention and media circus. Its all fake, just like the "Hunger Games" extravaganza, and Mitt Romney will be the GOP presidential candidate but his victory march may well end where it begins, in Tampa.
First, in November he'll automatically get the GOP moderates and the usual "status quo" Republican country-club types who have no philosophy but just want to be on the winning team for contracts, graft and power. He will get endorsements and votes from social conservative supporters of Gingrich and Santorum and the earlier presidential candidates. But he will likely lose two key constituencies required for him to win against Obama and the Democratic machine: Ron Paul supporters and conservative evangelicals.
The GOP political establishment holds the view that even supporters of Ron Paul will in the end vote Republican for Romney because his rhetoric is more free-market and capitalist than Obama. Well, maybe ... but we only have to look at the failed George Bush regime to see how little that really means when we consider two failed wars, the market and real estate crash, the falling dollar and the bank and Wall Street bailouts. I suggest that very few of us Ron Paul supporters will vote for Romney because we agree with Justin Raimondo – the GOP establishment needs to be taught a lesson.
They do need to be taught a lesson but if we leave the GOP and go the third-party route and Romney and the Republican candidates lose, then we will forgo any chance to take over the GOP or for longer-term political action within the party, thus wasting much of our internal organizational success to date. This will validate the GOP leadership smear that we aren't real Republicans and the growing power of freedom forces inside the party will be eliminated.
Will Ron Paulers Vote for Romney?
A young woman made the best case I've seen or read for Ron Paul supporters on Facebook several days ago. Quoting her from the YouTube video below made me realize how much the Ron Paul Campaign has accomplished so far in this election cycle. I urge you to watch and listen to her reply to a neocon friend who suggested, "A vote not cast for Romney is a vote for Obama." Therefore we should vote for Romney.
I urge you to watch her and listen to her passionate words on YouTube (click on the photo below to play):
But her statement is almost as powerful in text form quoted below:
We are not afraid to lose if losing means our integrity and principles remain with us. Our numbers have tripled in this election and we have already won. We have spread the message of individual liberty far and wide. Ron Paul has inspired the liberty movement in Africa, in Europe, even in Korea. Only a third of American colonists believed that the Revolutionary War was necessary and they changed the course of history forever.
It is our turn now to do the same. An election outcome will not change that. We are willing to lay down our lives for the cause of liberty if it is required of us and it may be. I welcome losing if the winning team is not supporting the principles this country was founded on.
But I will not go as a lamb to the slaughter and vote for someone who my heart, my gut and my reason tell me are not right for this country. Like Patrick Henry said, "I know not what course others will take but as for me, give me liberty or give me death."
This young women speaks for millions of us who will not vote for Mitt Romney in 2012 unless he unilaterally guarantees us he will advance our freedom agenda. He can do this by naming Rand Paul as his VP running mate and promising a Ron Paul cabinet appointment, followed by campaign pledges for real action on the Fed audit and requiring a declaration of war for future foreign military actions.
We live in a one-party state and we have a chance to take over and redirect the GOP in coming years. Otherwise, all the work Ron Paul and his freedom supporters have done will be lost in a third-party effort. That may provide us satisfaction, and this is what the GOP elites need, but it is a very shortsighted view of how we may still save these United States and the patriot dreams of our founding fathers.
I prefer watching the upcoming "Hunger Games" movies as pure entertainment instead of what will be a sad dystopian future for the United States. I hope we all hang together and keep our powder dry until after the GOP convention, and wait for Ron Paul to address us, hopefully after Romney has responded favorably to the requirements of the Ron Paul Campaign and us his supporters. Then each of us can make our own election year choices.
Mitt, we know you want very much to be President of the United States. I believe you will need to name an evangelical or mainline Christian as your running mate to have a chance to win a sizeable enough evangelical vote majority to have a chance to win the November election.
While the prejudice against Mormons is unfortunate it does exist, due in part to some strange (to non-members) LDS Church beliefs and practices combined with a lifetime of mostly negative evangelical preaching against the Church. This prejudice will negatively impact your votes, especially in the South, during the November election.
Second, you will also need the 10 to 15 percent of the electorate who consider themselves Ron Paul supporters and we will likely stay at home unless you nominate a Ron Paul free-market thinker to the ticket. The standard conservative neocons like Gingrich, Santorum and other former candidates in the primary will not meet our litmus test. Your first choice should be Ron or Rand Paul but others could include Tom Woods, Judge Napolitano and maybe a few others.
This is your decision to make but you will be defeated if you do not bring both Ron Paul supporters and conservative Christians into your campaign and address our major concerns. Speaking as a Ron Paul supporter, my first editorial after the election, should you not follow this friendly advice and you lose, will be titled, "Mitt, We Told You So."
Part I of this editorial was posted April 11th, 2012, at the Daily Bell, here: Part I - Beware the Establishment's Third Party Trap
Posted by MonsieurMadeleine on 04/18/12 02:00 PM
Posted by MonsieurMadeleine on 04/18/12 01:59 PM
the drop out option. still better than the romney lap dog option.
Posted by MonsieurMadeleine on 04/18/12 01:56 PM
And I am leaning 3rd party. final answer.
Posted by MonsieurMadeleine on 04/18/12 01:56 PM
So, now that I know what I feel, it has got to be third party or just droppong out of the race and no endorsement.
Posted by MonsieurMadeleine on 04/18/12 01:55 PM
It is hard to know what is best... . Unless you are bernanke. i kid.
All i do know is that i won't be voting for romney. my integrity and myheart deserve better. and in that vein, i hope ron paul doesn't run with him, because then i will think he sold out. Endorsing Romney? This would make me very sad.
Posted by MonsieurMadeleine on 04/18/12 01:53 PM
I agree. 3rd party would give us a legacy. But then again, maybe republicans can too. there are many "liberty candidates" in 2012.
Posted by MonsieurMadeleine on 04/18/12 01:39 PM
(Sorry I posted accidentally)
What about cabinet positions? Look at Colin Powell or Hilary Clinton. How about the lesson Crowley learned when he disagreed with The President?
See, the only position with power here is in fact The Presidency. Nothing else matters. Ron Paul in the cabinet and Rand in the Vice Presidency will not have any real power.
So what happens if Romney taps a Paul to be Vice President and we elect Romney because of that? This is the question you fail to answer. This is my hypothetical answer, and I hope you disagree and can show me the light.
Ron and Rand Paul become part of the establishment Mitt Romney organization. they are used to garner votes and lend integrity to the campaign. It works. Then Romney proceeds to disregard his promise to audit the fed, continues to be a big spender, and starts even more wars. Now, The Pauls are in a very compromising position.
They can speak out- but then, at least the person in the cabinet, will get fired.
They can resign- but then that is probably what Mitt wants. He is already elected, he doesn't need them. So now they are just useful fools.
They can go along to get along and keep there mouth's shut dutifully like Joe Biden- but then what happens to the movement? It dies an even worse death than a death by 3rd party. See, now the movement has sold out to the republicans but effected no change. There are no other avenues to pursue. The republican establishment swallows it whole, gets the votes and voters, and there is no future in it for the party. it dies. Game over.
At least with a third party there is integrity and a place for the supporters in the future. If The Pauls are perceived as selling out for power positions, then everything they have built until now is suspect.
Posted by MonsieurMadeleine on 04/18/12 01:24 PM
You make good points and you almost convinced me. Almost. This is my hang up, and if you make a third post on this, maybe you can address it and help me take that final step towards acceptance:
Q: What happens if Ron or Rand Paul is the Vice President?
A: Absolutely nothing.
Look at Al Gore or, even better, Joe Biden if you want to see how much influence a Vice President actully has in an administration. During the Democratic primary debates in 2007 Biden and Obama had significant disagreements, specifically on foreign policy. After Joe was selected have we heard a peep about that? He fell into line.
Wht about cabinet positions.
Posted by R on 04/14/12 11:23 AM
All childish rhetoric aside, would you really "sit it out" or "waste your vote of 'conscience'" if it meant that you would end your chances of EVER achieving your goals?
I agree with the sentiments expressed in this piece by Ron Holland, and it is a worthwhile tactic to use at the RNC Convention. But should you not get your way, will you totally end your chances for reform by throwing a childish Tantrum? Throwing a tantrum if you don't get your way is an obama tactic! (Although far from my first choice, saying Romney = obama is simply rhetoric, and it is factually incorrect; to those who are truly informed, there is a significant difference).
Ron Holland has formally stated a viable continuing tactic. We can and have materially changed the RNC from the inside, and we can deal with the "old guard" "blue blood" "country club" RINOS and ELIMINATE them from within the party. And, we are on the verge of doing it rather quickly. Why would you throw away all of that hard work?
You cannot, however, deal with the current Communist / Fascist regime supported by a Communist democrat party. Four more years of the current unfettered Fascism will allow them to complete their "entrenchment" and create obstacles that you will not overcome short of outright Rebellion (which can only be accomplished with a standing army, appropriate ordinance and organization... ... do you have that in your back pocket somewhere?!?!?).
"Teaching them (the RINOS) a lesson" will not, in fact, teach them anything because they don't really care; you will derive some short term childish satisfaction and then reap your Bitter Rewards! I am one of many who do not choose to live in the government sponsored SEWER with you!
Pre-emptive final remarks: This input is for the consideration of those who are reasonable and informed. It is not for the childish and emotional who proffer false choices and are fodder for the Fascists and the fascist state.
And once again, it is a Saturday and I must get back to "WORK" in order to generate sufficient funds for State Sanctioned Extortion and hopefully have something left to support my family.
Posted by bigdeek on 04/14/12 02:28 AM
Nah, after what the repugs did to Ron Paul this year, I will never vote 'R' again. Romney=Obama.
Posted by bob on 04/13/12 10:26 PM
The Daily Bell: Dr. Edwin Vieira on a Possible Ron Paul Third Party Run
July 26th, 2011
Introduction: Dr. Vieira holds four degrees from Harvard: A.B. (Harvard College), A.M. and Ph.D. (Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences), and J.D. (Harvard Law School). For over thirty-six years he has been a practicing attorney, specializing in cases that raise issues of constitutional law.
Here is a Daily Bell interview with money expert Dr. Edwin Vieira. He covers many subjects including a possible third party run by Ron Paul. He suggests a Constitution Party/Libertarian Party fusion ticket.
Daily Bell: How about Ron Paul?
Edwin Vieira, Jr: The Republicans will never nominate him. He is as dangerous to them as he is to the Democrats. Perhaps more so.
I hope that, after the Republicans and their lap dogs in the big media perform their usual 'hatchet job' on him, Dr. Paul will run on a 'fusion ticket' of the Constitution Party, the Libertarian Party, and whatever other third parties still desire their members to live in a free society. In that way, he might be able to find a place on the ballot in all or most of the States. If such a 'fusion ticket' drew enough support, it would signal the impending death of the Republican Party. (And good riddance.)
Having decided not to run for re-election to Congress, Dr. Paul has nothing to lose, and can afford to go all out. And he could contribute nothing more valuable than to leave this country with a true 'second' party. Then elections will become real contests between American patriots (the Whites, the traditional color of counterrevolution), and the fascist-socialist combine (the Browns and the Reds).
Posted by tjcoop3 on 04/13/12 08:15 PM
Only problem with that scenerio is that Obama might use a deep depression as an excuse to institute Martial Law when people start protesting in the streets against high prices and shortages. He then can send Congress and the Supreme Court Home and cancel all future elections until further notice. It's in The Patriot Act that good ol' Bush got passed when the President declares a state of emergency.
If you don't think Obama is a mad man enogh to do it if he thinks his party is toast think again!
Posted by tjcoop3 on 04/13/12 07:53 PM
I WILL NOT VOTE FOR THAT DEMON ROMNEY even if he asks Ron or Rand to join his ticket. The Devil always wants a compromise when he thinks he's about to lose. We can win third party. I do not want the LP's either they already proved their worth in the last cycle.
Look this is a revolution we do not play their games and we do no allow them to dictate the terms.
Here are the terms: Romney out Paul in or we walk with 12-15% of the Republican vote plus anywhere from 15-18% of independents and about 11% of Democrats. We win the Presidency and no doubt many of the House and Senate elections will be greatly messed up as well.
In any case. Nothing is going to be signed into law that is unconstitutional so Congress will have to overrule every veto which will severely restrict the amount of business they are capable of. Leaving the rest of us the hell alone. Sounds pretty good to me.
Now Quit blathering on about compromising with the enemy, and they are the enemy. They have proven to be so many times and get completely on board or off the ship. Quit trying to lead a mutiny. PAUL OR NO VOTE AT ALL!!!
Posted by MetaCynic on 04/13/12 04:20 PM
It's an unfortunate fact that for whatever reason, Americans will not vote in significant numbers for a 3rd party candidate. Forty years of fruitless Libertarian Party activity is proof of this. Forgot about getting people elected to national office. In those forty years how many Libertarian Party candidates have been elected to even local and state offices? How many Libertarian Party dog catchers are out there?
The libertarian agenda has finally found an effective messenger and even prophet in the person of Ron Paul. And he has attracted millions of supporters only because he was allowed to participate in the party nomination debates as a Republican. As much as the MSM had attempted to marginalize his presence in 2008 and 2012, he would have been totally invisible if he campaigned under a 3rd party banner.
Ross Perot received as many votes as he did in 1992 because his message got out to the voters during the presidential debates. A 3rd party run for Ron Paul could be successful but only if he is allowed into the presidential debates. Having learned their lesson with Perot, TPTB will never again allow a 3rd party outsider into those debates. Furthermore, 3rd parties are severely handicapped having to deplete their resources just working to get on the ballot in all 50 states.
Voters have been conditioned for about a century to ignore anyone outside the two party system. Therefore, infiltrating a major party at the grass roots level with young blood, as Ron Paul activists are now doing, is today the only way to eventually implement the libertarian agenda. Demographics are in their favor. The Republican party's statist oldsters will eventually all die off! Infiltration does work. Let's not forget that today's fascist Democratic Party can trace its now toxic bloodlines back to Thomas Jefferson's Democratic-Republican Party. A Trojan horse strategy can succeed where a 3rd party frontal assault will certainly fail.
Ron Paul's libertarian message, especially this past year, has come very far, and a payoff should be expected. If Romney and his backers seriously want to beat Obama, they must placate the large Ron Paul vote. Campaign promises of any sort will not work with this group. How have his antiwar, pro civil liberties promises served President Obama's betrayed supporters? A cabinet position for Ron, Rand or anyone of their partisans, even if approved by a hostile Senate, is insecure. An independent minded cabinet member can be fired at the whim of the President. The only acceptable concession to the Ron Paul swing vote is a libertarian as Romney's running mate. Fear of his libertarian VP dropping out and then losing to Obama when the Ron Paul voters sit out the election, would in itself have a moderating influence on Romney's campaign rhetoric.
True, once in office the VP officially has little to no power, yet it still would be the highest profile platform to date from which libertarian ideas can be loudly communicated and for at least four years. Furthermore, what can a President do to shut up a VP who speaks out against administration policy? He can't fire the VP as he can an appointed official. A thorn-in-the-side, loud mouth, dissenting, VP would truly be a political freak who would, for that reason, garner lots of media attention which is exactly what we want for libertarian ideas. It's not the presidency, but do libertarians really want to go back to ineffectively wandering around in the political wilderness waiting for a 3rd party messiah?
A VP who repeatedly condemns unconstitutional administration policies could even have a moderating influence on those policies. Americans and their MSM love spectacles. What can be a bigger spectacle than a VP Ron or Rand leading a protest march on the White House! Would President Romney even be tempted to trigger such embarrassing insider opposition to his administration?
So, with all this in mind, I don't think that a VP slot for either Ron or Rand would be the betrayal of liberty that many libertarians fear. Handled skillfully, together with the grass roots infiltration of the Republican Party by Ron Paul partisans, it can represent a major move forward for libertarianism and a springboard for a libertarian President in 2016.
The decision is up to Romney and his handlers. Politicians are notorious for their short time horizons. Do Republicans want to win so badly in November that they would allow a Trojan horse to help them do so?
Posted by Ichabod on 04/13/12 07:27 AM
Once again, reluctantly, I will point out that the Christian Covenant is the only viewpoint that represents a comprehensive solution. It is eternal as it is based on a trinitarian God, three persons in one. Our bottom up form of government fits. The collectivist form is directly counter to it and therefore is easily identified by libertarians.
But many libertarians see anarchy as opposite to collectivism and they raise the invidividual to sovereignty. I've seen it stated. There's no reason to name names; it's part and parcel of a fiercely held worldview. It leaves out the unity of our society and explains the structure for harmony without coercion or manipulation.
The US Constitution names three entities and following the covenantal pattern it would work smoothly if understood and believed. The three parts should work together for the good of all. Congress writes the laws, the judiciary follows the Constitution and judges are judges in terms of the Constitution and do not usurp the assigned jobs of the legislative branch. The executive conducts the affairs of governing.
Because the covenant concept is missing today and fought against today, the system devolves into a brawling match. Elitism shatters the covenant and seeks control of all events of life. Each and every activity of man is politicized.
The media has lost it's place as the fourth estate. It is now part of our problem. The Journalists Creed by Walter Williams begins "I believe in the profession of journalism. I believe that the public journal is the public trust" and later says "That journalism succeeds best, and best deserves success, that fears God and honors man." That creed is dead in American journalism today and I have traced that back to the "perception is reality" mantra used press in the early 90s when I first got cable TV.
The covenantal Christians I know are Ron Paul supporters. They recognize Ron Paul as an honest man who is committed to uniting the people under the Constitution that gives them freedom to live peaceably with their neighbors and prosper as God gives them the talents to purses their gifts. Those are foreign concepts to many libertarians. God is not necessary and to be avoided by some. "Love your neighbor as yourself" includes them whether they accept it our not.
The neocon camp gives lip service to God and demolishes the covenant. They convert the great commission to "go forth with thy guns and thy rockets and smash thine enemies until they submit." Hardly represents the covenant view of "as far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men." That is not isolationist which I have heard Ron Paul described during caucuses.
At the same time the covenantal Christian is not one to capitulate to collectivist solutions for the world. We know the ruler of all things visible and invisible and do not shrink from basic beliefs or abandon the field to detractors. The difference between us and a hefty portion of libertarians is that we draw our strength from the Creator.
Posted by TimurTheLame on 04/13/12 05:31 AM
@ Agent Pete 8
"Is sugar printed ?"
Good question. Consult Diebold.
Posted by Agent Pete 8 on 04/13/12 01:26 AM
Is sugar printed?
Posted by Agent Pete 8 on 04/13/12 01:25 AM
Should I put a red or blue band-aid on the gangrenous maggotty roadkill specimen?
Sorry, but keywords are "horse, gate, open, bolted, already".
But to find the lasting fix - it will come from somewhere other than the usual clone-fast clown-fest holdings, despite Dr Paul's Libertarianisms.
Posted by laceja on 04/12/12 06:25 PM
bob, I didn't say we shouldn't use civil disobedience. What I'm saying is, we need to work inside the GOP and, yes, sometimes (probably a lot, especially at first), be very "disobedient".
However, being disobedient outside the GOP will not help things. About all it's done for blacks is get them a lot of government handouts... basically, placating them into being "obedient" modern day slaves.
Posted by bob on 04/12/12 02:38 PM
"I agree the best way (likely the only way) to fix things is to take control of the Republican Party from inside." WOW!
How do you intend to do it? After all, people are not sharing "the GOP Party ideas and rules" will be just prevented from attending & participating in the Party events. Their credentials will be denied and security officers will escort them out explaining to these fools & idiots that the next time they will be arrested. And yes, the media will either ignore these 'dissidents' and/or call them hooligans and domestic terrorists. Remember, all these Party events are just entertaining and the show must go on.
Oh yes, blacks in America did not gain anything by joining and transforming the major political Parties but rather by FIGHTING for their rights using civil disobedience and other 'unconventional' means. Slaves never gain their freedom by joining their masters' political Parties. They get their freedom by "other means"!