Media’s Fevered Rhetoric Aimed at Gun Confiscation
By Daily Bell Staff - July 09, 2016

The Horrific, Predictable Result Of A Widely Armed Citizenry …  The killings in Dallas are one more reminder that guns are central, not accessory, to the American plague of violence … They are central now, when the increased fetishism of guns and carrying guns has made such horrors as last night’s not merely predictable but unsurprising. The one thing we can be sure of, after we have mourned the last massacre, is that there will be another. –The New Yorker

Adam Gopnik of The New Yorker is very upset about people carrying guns. He makes the standard arguments, but the post is unusual for its vituperation.

Gopnik, in fact, has authored a number of shrill, anti-gun articles over the years. But we’ve noticed, generally, that media-based anti-gun arguments are growing louder – as if rising decibel level will make up for lagging logic.

Often when a drastic legislative decision is taken, the mainstream media, or parts of it, seem alerted in advance.

It is speculative, therefore, but not entirely unreasonable to suggest that the current rhetoric is laying the groundwork for yet another legislative or executive confiscatory effort.

Yes, President Barack Obama may want at least one more dysfunctional and ruinous, broad-based executive action to punctuate his term in office.

His party is already cooperating. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) has authored a bill banning gun purchases for anyone on Homeland’s no-fly list.

In June after the Orlando attack, President Obama top spokesman said Obama was not ruling out executive actions regarding gun confiscation

“The president has taken substantial executive actions using as much executive authority as he can,” White House press secretary Josh Earnest said. “I’m not going to rule out additional steps … he’s not going to hesitate to act.”

Obama’s initial statements regarding the Dallas shootings weren’t focused on the shooters but dealt with the weapons themselves.

In media interviews, Hillary Clinton reinforced the point:  “We did have an assault-weapons ban for 10 years,” Clinton told CNN’s Chris Cuomo. “I think it should be reinstated.”

Not long ago, Vox Media writer Dylan Matthews tweeted for President Obama to “unilaterally” remove guns.

“This is not Dems‘ sales pitch but I’m totally down with letting the prez unilaterally ban people (hopefully everyone!) from buying guns,” Mr. Matthews tweeted.

Here’s some more from The New Yorker:

… Weapons empower extremes. Allowing members of any fringe of any movement to get their hands on military weapons guarantees that any normal dispute—political or, for that matter, domestic—can quickly lead to a massacre.

Our guns have outraced our restrictions, but not our imaginations. Sometime in the not-too-distant past, annihilation replaced street theatre and demonstrations as the central possibility of the enraged American imagination.

The article restates the point in several ways, and at one point indicates that those who support concealed-carry rights “guarantee that the murders will continue.”

The article finishes: “The country is now clearly divided among those who want the killings and violence to stop and those who don’t. In the words of the old activist song, which side are you on? “

Apparently Gopnik has forgotten that governments killed hundreds of millions in the 20th century alone. Had those people access to weapons, they might have been able to defend themselves.

What’s interesting about the latest New Yorker rhetoric, is that it seems to expand the groups of people who should not be allowed guns to “members of any fringe of any movement.”

Since Homeland Security considers people who believe in the US Constitution to be operating on the “fringe,”  this statement may signal an entirely new frontier of potential gun confiscation.

Conclusion: In any event, the media agitation seems to be rising and that may indeed signal that there are more definitive executive or legislative actions on the proverbial horizon.

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  • r2bzjudge

    “… Weapons empower extremes. Allowing members of any fringe of any
    movement to get their hands on military weapons guarantees that any
    normal dispute—political or, for that matter, domestic—can quickly lead
    to a massacre.”

    Look what is happening in Syria, where the U.S. government is supplying weapons to fringe groups.

    Last count, some 250,000 people had been killed. Maybe the number is over 300,000 now.

    Whatever gun laws there were in Syria, did not keep them out of the hands of fringe groups.

    • Good point.

    • Praetor

      This is a point, I’ve made many times. There is no way to ban weapons, as long as their being made, someone will turn into a salesman. Black market will always step into a vacuum, when there is money to be made.

      We all know who is the biggest weapons dealer on the planet, any guesses!!!!

    • Lamarskii

      Wonder where Verry Soterror is going to get the tens of thousands of UN cops to arrest and replace our local cops. Combat ready Muslims are being illegally brought into the USA by the tens of thousands by air and across the Mexican border.
      Should the officers of the border parol be surprised when they are replaced and disarmed by the very men they watched cross the border after they were ordered to assist smuggling them into this country?
      This is the same old plan that took down the Roman Empire when they hired nonromans (huns, etc.) to man the Roman Legions. It did not work out to well for them. The end of the Roman Senate was fitting. It was describe well by Gribbon, in his RISE AND FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE. I doubt if it works out any better for the policians this time around.

  • Gilfavor

    Dems are playing around with the world’s largest ‘Pandora’s Box’. . .ever. Ounce opened, it’s Katie Bar The Door. . . .all bets are off.

  • Dalton

    Here’s an idea for the dems.. ban “black lives matter”.. ban “muslim brotherhood”.. ban hate speech and violence glorification in movies, video games and music.. see if any of that works.

    The Democrats give the perfect example of why Americans should NEVER surrender their guns.. they demonstrated to the world that they themselves don’t respect the rules and the Constitution by breaking the Congressional rules when they had their “sit in” for gun control legislation.. what does it say when those elected to legislate, who are sworn to uphold the laws of the land, give an example that the laws and rules are meaningless? Should all 3 branches of US government ever be controlled by a group that believes and promotes such ideals, guns will be the only thing that could prevent a dictatorial purge of all the opposition citizenry.. I knew this day would one day come, just not in my lifetime.. and here we are on the precipice.

  • JosephConrad

    I’m far more afraid from the armed (conceal & carry) liars and thieves running
    the govt. (i.e., NULAND, KAGAN, CARTER, etc.) than i am of any citizen with such a similar license.
    The main reason the 2ND. AMENDMENT is in th BILL OF RIGHTS is to give citizens
    protection from Government Abuse. Racist/Scared Cops are often abusive.

    • Trig

      Remember, Nuland’s real Jewish name is Nudelmam

  • Trig

    Jews like Gopnik, Feinstein, Schumer, Lautenberg, Bader Ginsburg, Boxer, And 300 more in the media, courts and congress are the primary force for gun grabs .
    This wicked tribe was behind the genocide of 20 million Christians in Russia (Bolshevism).
    Let us not allow them to set us up for another one of their purges.
    NEVER again!!!

    • Tom

      It isn’t just modern “gun grabs”. Jews have always advocated that the weapons of the day be kept out of the hands of ordinary citizens. Their allies in government, from kings and queens to Obama, have always been willing and eager to oblige because of their cozy funding arrangements with The Tribe. Eventually the people figure out who is screwing them, the pitchforks (or assault rifles) come out, and the historical drama unfolds once again. We have a chance to learn this ancient rinse-and-repeat cycle before we go through it today, but we probably won’t.

      • It is ridiculous to ascribe what is going on to “Jews.” A small group of people are very obviously running a kind of global psyop. To compare trillionaires to Jewish carpenters and plumbers is ludicrous. They have have as much in common, we often point out, as microbes do to mastodons. Who do you think invented the Antisemitic meme you are using? They hide behind it. You are being manipulated and you don’t even know it.

        • Lamarskii

          I have never encountered a jewish carpender or plumber maybe they crucified them all. The antisemite mene is used to keep the slackers in line by the trillionaires who all happen to be jewish. Makes you wonder becausr they don’t create anything except friction when they play their financial shell games. Read the Controversy of Zion by Read. E. Michael Jones has a lot of intetesting things to say about this.

        • Samarami

          Absolutely insightful. But show me a manipulated one who knows s/he’s being manipulated.

          “Jew Haters” want to hate what they perceive to be “Jews”. Not that they have any apparent reason other than a desire to be in a “Jew hater” club — a desire to belong, I suspect. Most wouldn’t recognize a “Jew” if s/he came up and bit ’em in the arse, but they hate ’em nonetheless.

          Just to use one example: can anybody intelligently explain why residents of a place they’re calling “Israel” are referred to in media as “Israeli’s” (and not “Israelite’s”, as in the ever-popular Hebrew Book)? Another: if the inhabitants of that place are indeed “Jews” (a name prescribed for natives of Judah, a tribe of Israel), why wasn’t the place named “Judah” in 1948, instead of being christened “Israel”?

          I won’t disagree that there is much, much in that history (and its connection to the people who make up “The-City” as ascribed to the elite of the metro area called London) leading up to the political abstraction called “Israel”; that is at the heart and the core of much (if not all) the economic malfeasance today; which is apparently supposed to result in a “new-world-order”.

          I don’t claim to know even 1% of it, but I have no doubt that the “global psyop” is extant. And I perceive that the Ron Pauls and the Donald Trumps are either part and parcel of it, or they present a genuine threat to it. Hard to figure the dominant social themes related to that one..

          But don’t go around “Hating Jews” in your frustration. Sam

          • The City and its incomprehensible wealth is the problem. And it is the City that re-invented Antisemitism when it funded World War II. These things should be obvious by now.

          • Samarami

            Wealth is, indeed, a “problem”. What a gross understatement!.

            Somehow, psychopaths around the outset of known history, developed the idea that they should acquire some “right” to create “money”. I presume they practiced the first step in the scientific method — in this case the science of rulership: ask a question. The question: will the hoi polloi stand still for it. They did — unbelievably, but docilely and ignorantly.

            From very early history, the apparent pompous asses who had the moxie to rise to the equivalent of Grand Wizard would cause their images to be emblazoned upon coins. Later, they (or the now exorbitantly wealthy “elite” who by this time had the economic power to prop up grand wizards for the unwashed masses to support and applaud) discovered they could print worthless substitutes, and “the-people” would STILL not question their fiat status.

            Thus the capacity to install themselves in the lucrative business of conducting endless war (and make it appear as if it were a gigantic and heroic game that will never end).

            The enormity of the truth is incredible. Sam

          • Tom

            Thanks for linking the Dr. Kevin Barrett essay “Twilight of the Psychopath” for others to read. I consider it one of the best short intros to the subject and have linked it occasionally myself. Dr. Barrett himself says it has been more widely read than anything else he has ever written.

            I was thinking (again!) yesterday about how many of the traits on the Psychopathy Checklist – Revised (PCL-R) Hillary Clinton fits when I realized that we need a new checklist for white collar psychopaths. Psychopathy researchers mostly study subjects who are incarcerated or otherwise have long criminal records, and the PCL-R reflects that in fully 25% of the 20 traits that make up the list. So white collar psychopaths who have some self-discipline, can be team players, and most importantly, know exactly what kinds of crimes they can get away with, can escape being identified as psychopaths by the current PCL-R

            It’s as if a laboratory dog supplier only sells white dogs with black spots, so researchers who buy them conclude that all dogs are white with black spots. So the PCL-R is skewed towards identifying common criminal psychopaths but not white collar psychopaths. The closest any psychopathy researchers have come to recognizing this problem with the PCL-R is the book _Snakes in Suits – When Psychopaths Go to Work_ by Robert Hare (who created the PCL-R) and Paul Babiak. But this recognition of white collar psychopaths did not result in either a revised or separate checklist that identifies white collar psychopaths like Hillary who do manage to steer clear of prison cells (so far) by being team players for corporations or the Network.

          • Bruce C.

            Another reference about “the psychopaths among us” theme is from Ann Barnhardt. She calls the phenomenon “Diabolical Narcissism” and it is here:


        • Tom

          I agree that there is such a thing as an “innocent Jew” but by and large their innocence springs from the same lack of knowledge that keeps any innocent Goy from seeing the larger picture. I am not antisemitic, having had a number of Jewish friends over my life and even a Jewish girlfriend, and not one of them would have known about the Big Picture as the internet revolution is now bringing into focus. I daresay that most of them would be as opposed to the NWO as I am.

          The issue of weapon control is simply a fact of history, and any review of the names most deeply involved in current attempts at weapon control will reveal a continuation of that history into the present, going back to the initial assault on the 2nd Amendment in 1935 under the cover of the manufactured bloodshed brought on by Prohibition.

          Was that an attempt at humor to invoke the notion of Jewish carpenters and plumbers? I worked in construction for much of my life and never met one — not one. They must be like unicorns: we’ve all heard of them but never seen one. Indeed, my father once told me about a Japanese fellow he worked with in a city parks department who joked that his life’s dream was to have a Jewish gardener.

      • Lamarskii

        I agree with the Daily Bell.
        A distinction should be made between the innocent jews and therecare many, likely the vast majority and those who dance with the goat headed god. The Bolsheviks and Zionists have terrorized the spiritual jews for over a hundred years. The crime of assimilation is the worst there is.

        • Obrzezany Prąć

          jew is a vocation. An innocent jew is one out of a job

          • An assertion not an assessment. You can’t know. Antisemitism is a kind of simplistic mental obsession.

          • AirborneSoldier


          • Samarami

            Absolutely. I attempted (comment above) to outline why “Jew Haters” have no idea what it is they’re hating. Nobody took the bait. They won’t. They just want to make judgements against what they perceive to be “Jews” without understanding anything about ancient tribes and/or ancient history — how one group of people (hated by people of their own family) came to be called “Jews” in the first place.

            So “Jews” (falsely so-called) get lumped with “the rich”, or “the power elite”. Mental obsession for certain.

            If you’re a Hebrew Book adherent (I’m not advising for or against that except as a historical record) you’ll discover that in the first instance of use of the term “Jew” in that book, Jews were at war with Israel. And so the story goes.

            As I so often repeat: truth is the first casualty of war. Just because someone is called “Jew” is no evidence s/he is Israelite (of which Judah is 1/12). And those who are denigrated as “Jews” today have no affinity with Israel whatsoever. Or so I perceive.

            But it just might be evidence of “Jew hating”. The enormity of the truth is incredible. Sam


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        • Tom

          Thanks, Chesty, great website. Nice to know some of them get it. My first reach-out to an anti-gun Jew (a major San Francisco newspaper columnist) was about thirty years ago, and I still have my letter to him in my files. Probably didn’t change his mind, but still good to give him some points to think about. Rabbi Dovid Bendory at Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership has been doing some excellent writing on the subject.

    • Carroll Price

      Thanks for pointing out what I suspected, that Gopnik is fu—ng Jew. In my opinion, it should become a requirement that anyone authoring any news articles for public consumption should be required to state whether or not the main subject of articles (like Gopnik is a Jew or Gentile.

    • Wrusssr

      You might be a shade light on 2O million. This documentary . . .

      . . . and book

      . . . put the low number around 60 million (mostly white Christian Russians). Another researcher estimated it beyond 100 million.

      Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, the great Russian writer and Nobel winner, finished two volumes about those who did the killing more than a decade ago before he died. Both are blocked from English translation except for “select” chapters.

      He is reported to have said: “. . . if the Russian people had taken one of them out each time they knocked on a door, so that when they left to come for us, they left knowing someone probably wouldn’t be coming back, we might have stopped it.”

      He was talking about the Bolshevik Jews. They were financed by London bankers who wanted the Tsar ‘removed’ and his wealth confiscated. The Bolsheviks commandeered the hierarchy positions in the Russian Revolution and set in motion the slaughter of unarmed Russians—an atrocity unmatched in the planet’s history.

      This is the real holocaust. Not taught. Never publicized. Never discussed. Never mentioned by the banker-controlled MSM.

      Descendants of this banking cabal today seek to confiscate America’s guns. Dual Israeli citizens in congress continually push for this legislation. Staged and real false flag shootings have been/are orchestrated in America toward this end; using the same false flag model they used in Australia and Scotland to collect their guns. Easy to do when nations are a part of your ‘commonwealth’.

      America is a different story. The Founders knew about these deceivers and how they operated in Europe, and wrote the right to bear arms into the Bill of Rights; and mandated congress as the only entity authorized coin (print) the nation’s money so the country could control its own debt.

      Because these criminals, like all criminals, fear an armed citizenry they have to confiscate them from gun owners before they have complete control. Or, ignore the Bill of rights and legislate this right away; making “criminals” or “terrorists” of citizens who own guns.

      Mexico is the 21st Century poster child for nations that would ban guns among citizens. Once done, only killers and other criminals wind up with them. And the money. And the nation.

      • AirborneSoldier

        Communism worldwide has killed 150 mil and counting
        see the book
        The black book of communism…

  • Praetor

    A scarcity of any product, will insure the products purchase price increases!!!

  • apberusdisvet

    I think I need to remind everyone of the words of the Japanese general during WWII who was asked by a subordinate when he planned on invading the US. His response should be noted by Totalitarian wishful thinkers (I paraphrase): “are you fricking nuts; there is a gun behind every tree”.

    • Lamarskii

      Actually, it has been attributed to Admiral Yamamoto. Likely the most sucessful japanese milatary commanderof WW II.
      This has appeared in numerous book at least sibce the 1950s if not before. However, it origin has been questioned.
      His killing was a major coup during the war.

  • Zaphod Braden

    MEDIA-ASSAULT-THOUGHTS. There is no action that is not preceded by the thought and idea of the action, and MSM has immersed America in violent anti-social thoughts. and been publicly proud and boastful of their ANTI-heroes. The immersion of a society in the thoughts and ideas of senseless violence unaccompanied by consequences. The flooding of Media venues such as music, movies, video games, TV, with thoughts and ideas designed to induce violent behavior. If purveying ideas through the media does not work ….. why are $BILLIONS spent every year on advertising and political propaganda if spreading “thoughts” does not matter?!?!
    What are the anti-Freedom activists doing except SPREADING anti-gun THOUGHTS hoping they will lead to ACTIONS?

    It is your CULTURE that is broken …… not the Constitution.

  • Obrzezany Prąć

    Gopnik is fully aware what kind of a pogrom armed Goyem can execute.

  • rahrog

    Stop the hate! Get a DIVORCE!!!

  • Bruce C.

    I’m really surprised that more people – media commentators and writers – don’t remind everyone that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to protect the means to protect oneself from government tyranny. The fact that occasional – statistically PROBABLE (given the population levels) – assailants exist has nothing to do with that. It’s like saying automobiles should be outlawed because once in a while people are killed by them. (Note that car and insurance companies will argue that “self-driving” cars will be safer because they won’t have a human driver. The cars themselves are not the problem…)

    The number one concern I have is that too many people may somehow, someway think that government is benign and so “people don’t need their own means of defense.” Fortunately – ironically – the very people who are protesting “police brutality” are also the ones who distrust government institutions the most. I can assure you that they don’t want their guns taken away, they just want the cops to back off. In fact, they may think their guns are the only thing left to defend themselves from the cops. Scale that up to the federal level and you’ve got the basis of the Second Amendment.

    From my privileged white male American perspective I think basically everyone should have a gun and know how to use it. I think it would be “peace maker” on many levels. To a “liberal” that might seem counter intuitive but that’s why they say liberalism is a mental disorder.

    • MetaCynic

      Obama must be a secret agent for the firearms industry. His every call for more gun control spikes new gun sales records. Not to mention that increasing violence and social unrest of all sorts in Democratic Party strongholds will generate more votes for Trump.

    • El Duderino

      If powerful and chronic cognitive dissonance is a mental disorder, then absolutely.

      “If eliminating guns could save just ONE life…”

      “Of course I’m pro-choice…”

    • stormykitteh

      “Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation,
      that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the
      difference between having our arms in our own possession and under our
      own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our
      defense be the *real* object of having those arms, in whose hands can
      they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our
      own hands?”—Patrick Henry, speech of June 9, 1788

  • Demonocracy

    Orlando is the deadliest mass shooting in US history.

    Wrong. Wounded Knee is, where the US government massacred 250 Sioux men, women, and children.

    • Poplicola Publicola

      And if we want to talk modern history then Waco is the worst mass murder where the feds murdered 80 including women and children.

      • Tom

        The Happy Land Fire on March 25, 1990 beats Waco with a body count of 87. It was done with a milk jug of gasoline, but I never heard anyone talk of banning milk or gasoline. Ironically, the Orlando perp/s could have achieved a much higher body count with the same arson method, but that wouldn’t have promoted the gun control agenda.

    • Todd

      Washita ,Sand Creek , Trail of Tears …..just to add a couple more

  • MetaCynic

    Isn’t it interesting that, though Democrats are the loudest voices in favor of gun control, the vast majority of gun violence in America occurs in Democratic Party strongholds. Despite decades of dumping train loads of money on the Democrats’ favorite social programs for the advantage of all kinds of privileged groups, unemployment, poverty, violence and every imaginable social pathology persist. Of course the utter failure of socialism and central planning is never acknowledged. Instead, the monotonously predictable demands for more money, power and gun control are trotted out by those of the political caste living in luxury at taxpayer expense and protected 24/7 by armed bodyguards.

    Needless to point out, the odious gun grabbers see no need to rein in the increasingly violent, heavily armed employees of the state whose primary purpose is not to serve and protect us but to legally extort ever more money out of us in order to save the gun grabbers obscenely generous pension funds. An honest observer can’t help but conclude that liberals love guns and violence when they advance the liberals’ own insatiable lust for power and money.

  • Rev

    Gopnik wants you disarmed so he can do something to you he couldn’t do if you are armed.

    • ConPatriot1234


    • Loog Moog

      I don’t care what “laws” they pass. As Queen Hillary has shown, laws are for the peasants. And since I don’t consider myself a peasant, I will obey my inner laws, and none other.
      I didn’t MAKE the rules, I’m only PLAYING THE GAME.

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  • SnakePlissken

    It’s difficult to reason with progressives. They get angry, even violent when you disagree with them. If you enjoy your freedom and know history, they call you names like ‘fetishist’, make juvenile claims about your genitalia, or accuse you of being a mouthpiece for the NRA. They say they will take your guns by violence if necessary. Progressivism has led to Communism in the USSR, Afghanistan, China, Vietnam, and Cambodia. When they come to power with violent, bloody revolutions, the first thing they do is send people who disagree with them to gulags and reeducation camps, or just exterminate them. Progressives claim to be interested in peace, but their objective is complete government control and then elimination of anyone that disagrees with them.

    • Gregory Mullaley

      Really, how about all the progressive countries that have national health-care and a much lower rate of murders, especially gun murders like western Europe, especially the Scandinavian countries. This also includes many of our ‘capitalist’ allies in Asia like Japan, Taiwan, and S. Korea. Must be a few dozen anomalies, huh?

      • obocaj

        The gun murders (especially in Western EU) have simply been replaced with twice the amount of non-gun related violence. Big win there, huh Gregory? Keep on glugging the KoolAid,

        • stormykitteh

          What you get when you let ferals in your home.

        • Gregory Mullaley

          They are still miniscule compared to ours. And please, try not to use such tired old clichés. Facts matter, not worn out sayings. Try applying some actual thought to your responses rather than knee-jerk emotional responses.

      • L O

        You ever been to a progressive country? let alone understand their cultures and mentality?. As an American abroad, you would be hard pressed to check your Americanism at the door and assimilate, even for a few months, in order to make a valid ( or correct ) opinion..We ( Americans ) are the exception to the rule. Spouting over the virtues of a progressive government by an American can be compared to a 2 yr old thinking the pretty dish washing soap pods look tasty..

        First, we are a nation of consumers, we wrote the book, we like to spend our money, and we like choices…. National healthcare??.. try a 68% income tax in Scandinavian countries.. sound like any of them get to enjoy a night out for drinks and dinner?.. Groceries:….Imagine a gallon of milk costing 3 times as much to appease the unions. Cold cereal: you get 1 kind of corn flakes, Why?… union workers hate competition….imagine the majority of your income going for taxes and food, instead of a house payment and car payment… and forget about home ownership, you wont be able to own a home, and why would you in a progressive country?, after all, it’s not about you anymore, its about the community, so you rent, and your kids rent, and their kids rent. car payments?.. only if you can show that the car is fit to be seen on the road,.. oh, and you can afford the hefty taxes, fees and licensing that go with it… ever see a clunker on the hiways of Japan?..

        There is a reason why people apply to move the US as their first choice, and it’s not in hopes that some day we will be just like our allies.

        • El Duderino


      • Curtiss

        Yes and then there are the knife murders, an 80 year old lady in Scotland stabbed 112 times comes to mind from living there some years ago. And National health care, both my inlays died at an early age on the national health care system in Scotland. They laid in the hospital bed and they did nothing, told us there was nothing they could do. They didn’t even try!

      • stormykitteh

        Spit gum on the street in Singapore and see what happens to you. LOL

        • Gregory Mullaley

          What does gum have to do with any of this?

          • stormykitteh

            Life is tough, but it’s tougher when you’re stupid. -John Wayne

      • Haywood Jablome

        Move there. I’ll help you pack…..

        • Gregory Mullaley

          Actually we do have healthcare, but you have to wait until you’re 65, or active duty/retired veteran to get it. Ours is the only 1st world country where several hundred thousand go bankrupt due to medical costs every year. I’m not going anywhere because I have healthcare from my job (retired), I have Tricare (retired reserve), and in 2 years I’ll also have Medicare. It’s most of the country, and probably includes you, who will have to cough-up large sums of money if you get severely injured or ill, not me. As for the violence, it’s a sick culture that glorifies it, and ours is one of the sickest.

      • AirborneSoldier

        Strip out our war zone cities, and crime here is less than anywhere

        • Gregory Mullaley

          Would that we could.

      • Tom

        Bill Whittle does a great job of showing that murder rates are a cultural/economic phenomenon by using statistics from around the world. Murder rates have no correlation with gun ownership rates or with gun control. Share this 6-minute video with any gun-grabbing friends or relatives:

      • TexTopCat

        Removing guns has not reduced violent crime but increased in in all of the places where it has been tried. Yes, fewer gun murders but more murders by other means. So, not sure, how you can be “more dead” if shot than beheaded?

      • Marten

        And what about Switzerland, the most heavily armed Nation on this planet…..And almost no criminality…….

        • Gregory Mullaley

          And how about all their social safety nets that are minimal, or even non-existent here. Fewer poor and more health folks also means less crime.

  • obocaj

    Look at the numbers and you’ll see how utterly absurd the concept of total gun confiscation really is. This “lone madman” took out 12 armed policemen – by himself (if we’re to believe the latest iteration from the lying media). 12 to 1: that’s horrendous odds for any schmuck faced with the job of “confiscating all weapons.” So yeah, bring it Gopnik, we’ll save some just for you.

  • Bruce C.

    “… Weapons empower extremes. Allowing members of any fringe of any
    movement to get their hands on military weapons guarantees that any
    normal dispute—political or, for that matter, domestic—can quickly lead
    to a massacre.”

    That statement may or may not be true, but if it is then it certainly applies to government itself, hence the purpose of the Second Amendment.

  • ConPatriot1234

    If the mainscream media screams more and more shrilly but nobody reads it, did it make a sound? i doubt it. The media is a joke.

    • Jakob Stagg

      An unfunny joke.

  • Glenn Festog

    It’s easy to stop the worst of gun violence; hanging 3/4s of Congress will get most of the murderers. Firing 7/8s of the government’s bureaucrats would get the rest.

    • El Duderino

      You forgot keeping criminals locked up and deporting immigrants with ties to terror groups.

  • dauden

    I closed this page, as I always do, with the same sadness. Then I decided I would reopen and reply. These posts all seem to suggest people are fearful and hopeless or angry. Yes, we can do things to prepare and hopefully survive the conflicts coming but most of us here know real history, that it is continually repeated and one can never know if he will escape in the crossfires. Proselytizing is not my aim here but what other sure hope is there? If I were not one who confidently trusted in the salvation freely offered by the grace of God found in Paul’s epistles of the KJV, I would be as one of you…..bonding with my fellow freedom lovers looking for hope around the destruction that is sure to come. If you would study Romans thru Philemon, you would see that God (I know some don’t want an “authority” higher than themselves; pride is their downfall) has shown us the plan that will unfold whether you believe it or not. God is offering grace (without the law) today to all those who will believe Him. After that last person believes, things will change. The NWO will be installed, but briefly. Prophecy is not our concern today but grace freely offered to all men is! Be not fools but wise concerning the gospel. We don’t know it all because we are not God. So we must trust what He has shown us by His Word. There is no other way to be saved out of this mess the human race has created. Sin is the issue, Christ’s finished work at the cross is the answer.

    • Jay

      Well said.

  • PJ London

    “All political power comes from the barrel of a gun.
    The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party” – Mao Tse Tung

    • Jakob Stagg

      That is what Barry created DHS for, to suppress American citizens and eliminate the remainder of their rights.

      • It was Bush.

        • Jakob Stagg

          said. “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s
          just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

          • Tom

            Yes, Obama said that. But Bush did push for it and then sign the original DHS legislation. The important point is that they are both playing on the same team and that left/right political labels are distractions, curtains behind which the real rulers and their agenda can continue without being interrupted by the voters.

          • Jakob Stagg

            Yes, I know. But Obama started delivering MRAPs to every jurisdiction in the country. Every one of them is marked “DHS”. In the southwest, they come with crews. It has been obvious there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between the parties. They cross party lines whenever there is an office they want. Bloomberg has run as a Republican, a Democrat, and an Independent.

            We aren’t supposed to notice the people behind the curtain.

        • Haywood Jablome

          Yep…another progressive snake of a different color.

        • AirborneSoldier


      • Big J Mays

        The lefties have real control issues.

  • Whiskey7Actual

    They can try but all that will be accomplished is the second civil war!

  • Big J Mays

    Whom will they use to confiscate firearms? Police? Military? Foreign militaries? I am always curious to understand how the radical left will use gestapo tactics to accomplish their goals.

    • mangomuffin2

      I thought I read that UN troops would do this…

      • Christopher White

        All the UN Troops will do, besides their normal raping of young girls, is go back to their home country in body bags and supply US III% with lots of new weapons and ammunition.

    • Webforager

      Personally, I think they will use registration… much like when you register your vehicle. Then, they will raise taxes on the firearms the politicos find most offensive effectively reducing the number of firearms in circulation. And they will justify it in the name of terrorism and “mental illness”. Of course, this will also create a black market…

  • Praetor

    Justice Dept. study, 294 million firearms in the U.S. in ‘2007’.

    Death toll from Jan. 1 2016 to July 10th 2016, Abortions 572,752 – Obesity 161, 020 – Medical Errors 131,889 – Alcohol 52,450 – Drunk Driving 17,732 – Prescription Drug Overdoses 7,867 – Gun Murders 6,028.

    Seems there are other things to ban and worry about. Any one with a brain and not afraid knows why they want to ban ‘Firearms’.

    The thinking of making firearms more difficult to get only makes it easer to get them. If TPTB and the MSM would drop their fear of the people owning firearms, sales would drop like a rock!!!

    • natural human

      I read a few comments and had to stop out of shear frustration. Can you not see that all of these mass shootings are staged events, psy-ops, if you will? How can people not see? Take a look at the citizen journalism occurring on Youtube and you will (apparently) be amazed. To any thinking person, there can be no question these events have all been planned for a very long time. It’s just sickening to see people argue over and discuss these hoaxes. Please get a grip on reality, folks. I’m starting to wonder if there isn’t, in fact, something to the whole “Mandela Effect” because Americans seem to be living in a parallel universe believing this stuff. Your media is entirely corrupt and just as responsible as the evil people directly involved. Please wake up.

      • Praetor

        I really not think Its our media. On this website, to a person. They see media (MSM) as a propaganda ministry for some very nefarious individuals. Most here and good number of the public citizenry are awake. But would rather see a peaceful solution to our problem that excludes violence. On the other hand violence is a possibility!!!!

      • Bruce C.

        I don’t see why it matters if such shootings are staged or not.

        It is the narrative that ‘because there always will be occasional nuts who will kill innocent people with guns NO ONE should be allowed to own one (except for cops, the military, law enforcement agencies, DHS employees, security guards for politicians, etc.)’ that matters.

        You should direct your frustration toward those who believe THAT.

      • Dan Morgan

        The enemy remains the same, regardless.

  • Haywood Jablome

    Molon Labe you leftist pukes!

  • Dan Morgan

    The Dallas shooter had a 12 to 1 kill ratio. There are more than 350 million guns in the US, and approximately 20 million Vets.
    Additionally, there are approximately 20 million Americans who hunt, and kill deer, ducks, hogs….
    You get the idea.
    Pretty sure the whole gun grabber thing ain’t gonna work out.

    • Richard Dean Anderson

      His work with that rifle was above average, I think most would agree.

      • Dan Morgan

        I don’t believe he was working alone. Cops reported taking fire from more than one location.

        • Son of Liberty

          That’s one thing I don’t understand. First reports said the police were taking fire from three different locations, but cops and other investigators are saying he was a ‘lone wolf.’ That doesn’t make sense to me. Just saying.

          • henrybowman_az

            Hey, it was DALLAS. Remember Dallas? Grassy knolls, patsies, up and to the left?

      • Dan Morgan

        But not as good as Col. O’Neill.

      • Ephraiyim

        Can you say black op? I do not mean black but CIA/Military!

        • Richard Dean Anderson

          so it was a dark black op then?

          • Ephraiyim

            I guess that pretty much any time the elitist agend, whether confiscation on weapons or inciting people to wars or some other, my default is the government (s) are directly or perhaps (though doubtful) indirectly involved.
            Call me a conspiracy theorist, but past revelations seem to bear his out.
            I also like long sentences! 😯

          • Ephraiyim

            Yep likely

    • whamprod

      A determined and irritable resistance, armed with mostly small arms, can defeat a much more powerful and well-armed enemy if it can last long enough to rob that enemy of its political will through the loss of that enemy’s popular support. And there are a million ways to achieve this without even resorting to gun play. A gun ban passes, instantly making all gun owners into felons? Easy. Call the anonymous police hotlines and report the likes of Matt Damon and Mark Wahlberg, saying you saw a bunch of illegal assault weapons in their houses. Keep “swatting” your opponents. Casual acts of sabotage. Operate in cells of 3 or less so that if a cell gets rolled up, the movement isn’t set back to much.

      Eventually, no matter what law gets passed or constitutional amendment gets repealed, somebody has to go confiscate the guns. Can’t be done. The reason why is easy to understand:

      (1) Most cops are our brothers and have no desire to kick down our doors. We are their parents, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters. They’re not going to do it.

      (2) The same effete feckless libtards who advocate for this stuff will never volunteer to be the first in a SWAT stackup outside of someone’s front door. Liberals always hire someone else to get their hands dirty for them.

      So what happens when “someone else” doesn’t want to get his/her hands dirty?

      Exactly nothing.

      • Dan Morgan


      • Ephraiyim

        Most cops are our brothers? Dude, most cops are evil by default.
        Why? Simply stated, there is not likely 1 in a million that would report a partner for unconstitution treatment of a suspect.
        Thin thin blue line is actually miles wide.
        When I say unconstitutional, I do not mean what the so called supreme court has to say. They are not the final arbiters of that. We are. How it is stated is what it means!

  • AirborneSoldier

    Come and take it

  • AirborneSoldier

    Get an ar 15. Get good with it. Get plenty of gear now, as well as ammo and cleaning supplies. Dont wait for a panic. Make it a lifestyle, now

  • timbroweraz

    molon labe

  • Arizona Gunowner

    While the anti’s are quite willing to take whatever they can get only the real idiots actually suggest Obozo “unilaterally” ban guns.

    The mainstream anti’s like Clinton know that can’t and won’t happen and would actually work against them.

    The “sane” anti’s know that their best bet is to make as much of the country like NJ, NYC, CA etc where gun ownership is heavily regulated. Make it expensive, and as legally dangerous as possible to be a gun-owner and slowly wipe out the legitimate gun culture – they don’t care about the illegal gun culture.

    Now we’ve made a lot of gains, more states with easy carry laws etc, but they’ve made gains too as in MA, CT, now CA. We’re moving to a 2 country nation. One with a robust legal gun culture and one with a gun culture more heavily weighted to criminals as in Chicago.

    But the author is right – the media is in full support of the anti’s agenda.

    Dangerous times, and even more dangerous coming (ie, more Muslims coming).

    Better plan accordingly.

    • TexTopCat

      Since GM was too big to be allowed to fail and the US gun industry employs more people be far than GM, is it not logical to think that the gun industry is too big to be allowed to fail? I guess liberals do not have to apply logic to their actions like the rest of us.

      • guest

        GM and the UAW gave billions to the Clintons and Obamas.

        Colt, Ruger, and Smith & Wesson didn’t.

    • Ephraiyim

      Muslims buzzmans. Buy into that Hegelian dialectic all you want.
      Our greatest enemy is the elitists and their governments.

      • Arizona Gunowner

        And Muslim despots aren’t “elitists”?

        I’m not sure your claim is any less a Hegelian dialectic than mine.

        Regardless, I understand that it was gov’t that killed 100 million people in the 20th Century and of those only the Armenian genocide was the fault of a Muslim gov’t.

        Still, that it is of little import to the 80 people just killed by a truck driving Muslim in Nice, or the 50 gay nightclub goers by a Msulim in Orland a few weeks ago is it? Or a dozen in San Bernadino CA that we’ve already forgotten about it.

        Or the hundreds (thousands?) of women being assaulted all over Europe mainly at the hands of Muslim refugees.

        Everyone has 2 lives – macro and micro.

        Macro you don’t have too much control over.

        Micro is another story.

        This thread is about the macro issue of the media (elitists I think) driving an agenda which can have real micro ramifications.

        To wit, disarming you in the face of immediate personal threats.

        You can ignore reality if you want. But you can’t ignore the effects of ignoring reality (Rand).

        If you’re killed by a member of the “religion of peace” you won’t be around to worry about the elitists and “their” gov’ts anymore will you?

        But wt hey, 1 death is a tragedy right, while a million is a statistic?

  • TexTopCat

    The people that legally carry guns are NOT part of the problem but the solution.
    Stats from the Texas DPS website. Conviction rate for Peace Officers, LTC holders and the general public.
    2011 Stats:
    General public = 362.47 per 100,000
    Peace Officer = 103 per 100,000
    LTC holder = 23.14 per 100,000
    Yup! Peace officers in TX have a 5x higher conviction rate than LTC holders! And that’s with LTC holders having additional laws they must follow above and beyond the others!
    Licensed Law abiding citizens ARE NOT the problem. Its the General public that are!
    It is not mathematically possible for LTC holders carrying in an area to increase crime

    • Ephraiyim

      Licensed? Where did that come from?
      I see nothing in the US Constitution that would even suggest the owners of firearms can be forced into licensure
      I think you have bought into the lie the state feeds it’s people that somehow we are safer if only the gubment will keep track of of the “potential” threats.
      Less government is good. No government is best! Always!!!

      • TexTopCat

        I do not see “carry licenses” as the best solution, however, it does allow for tracking the actions of people that actually carry legally. Constitutional carry is the goal, however, “shall issue” license in states like Texas is much better than places like CA, NY, IL …

  • Clifford Ishii

    I just bypass the Dems on guns and carry a Jo staff for self defense

  • Lonesome Whistle

    If they come for legal guns the media shills for it better be out of town.

    • Ephraiyim

      I would say if the fascist police state attempts to confiscate weapons, since they would prefer everyone be forced to turn in bows, hunting and fishing knives ect as well, invite as many of the shrills as possible.
      There would, likely, be a war, however short lived, and they could get caught in the crossfire. Not advocating, merely speculating about how Americans may react to their personal and legal weapons being confiscated!

  • henrybowman_az

    “media-based anti-gun arguments are growing louder – as if rising decibel level will make up for lagging logic.”

    Obama’s cheering squad are desperately trying to beat the Trump deadline. When that clock strikes twelve, all their reflected power turns to rats and ashes. They will be lucky if what comes home to roost are only chickens.

  • whamprod

    “How to Create a Gun-Free America in 5 Easy Steps”:

    1. Elect a 2/3 majority in Congress: 67 senators, and 297 member of the house, who agree with you.
    2. Have them vote to propose an amendment to the Constitution, repealing the 2nd Amendment for all Americans.
    3. Convince the legislatures of 38 states to ratify that amendment.
    (At this point, you’ve done absolutely nothing to decrease gun violence.)
    4. Legislate – enact “common sense” gun reform to ban all guns, and get it signed by the president.
    5. Enforce the law – that’s right……’ve got to confiscate over 350 million guns scattered among 330 million Americans. Good luck with that.

  • Terry

    Dying Priest

    An old priest lay dying in a hospital. He had served the people of the nation’s capital for many years.

    He motioned for the nurse to come near.

    “Yes Father?” said the nurse.

    “I would really like to see Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama before I die” whispered the priest.

    “I will see what I can do” said the nurse.

    The nurse sent the request to Washington and waited for a response.

    Soon an answer came back, both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama would be delighted to visit the priest.

    As they were driven to the hospital Hillary commented to Obama “I don’t know why this old priest wants to see us, but it certainly will help our images and may even help my election prospects”.

    Obama agreed it was a good thing.

    When they arrived at the priest’s bedside, the Priest took Hillary’s hand in his right hand and Obama’s hand in his left hand.

    There was silence and a look of serenity on the old priest’s face.

    Finally Obama spoke “Father, of all people you could have chosen, why did you chose us to be with you at this time when your end is so near?”

    The old priest slowly replied “I have always tried to pattern my life and behavior after our Lord and Savior.”

    “Amen” said Hillary.

    “Amen” said Obama.

    The old priest continued “Our Savior died between two lying, thieving bastards and I would like to do the same!”